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Title: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 10, 2021, 05:15:32 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/cvyHPQv/241668139-10157824150937504-4917994784624803784-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6Zyx2FZ)

(https://i.ibb.co/S53QzLW/241650137-10157824151152504-4211283116952514361-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5S3tdk)

(https://i.ibb.co/Bw01MyL/241344519-10157824151077504-6503224421288540862-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/V3fK4gV)

(https://scontent.ffco2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/241665636_10157824150967504_993019469515687868_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=MtSITvb4EHEAX80onbE&_nc_ht=scontent.ffco2-1.fna&oh=88499cdf5e9ba673c9e20e1f7914fe84&oe=61601128)

More pictures in red.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTovvZaAFRV/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 10, 2021, 05:34:25 AM
Now on the Moto Guzzi official site.

https://www.motoguzzi.com/it_IT/v100-mandello/?fbclid=IwAR2m5IxoTeutNoD788jK54J2c_DzRxz3pvWqitUh-H7ZcICF9kqvIXucCz4
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on September 10, 2021, 05:41:41 AM
Still not my type of bike at all, but looks much better than I first feared from the 'spy pics'.

Cheers,
D.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Beowulf on September 10, 2021, 05:42:21 AM
I saw this and think it’s pretty neat as well. The video is cracking me up but I think this going to be an amazing bike and a tremendous seller for Guzzi( at least I hope) thanks for posting the pictures.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 10, 2021, 05:43:00 AM
dang I thought I was going to be first lol!

oh well, still not sold on the syling, but nice to see this alternate colorway instead of the SLOW RED color  :whip2:

(https://i.imgur.com/G505R3l.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UYvNQyA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jNp3PLd.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on September 10, 2021, 05:44:36 AM
Official stuff: https://www.motoguzzi.com/it_IT/v100-mandello/

It certainly sounds Guzzi, that's for sure  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: chuck peterson on September 10, 2021, 05:44:47 AM
Great video shot on the guzzi link of the Italian eagle landing on the hand of a seated rider ..

Where have I seen this motorcycle shape before?


(https://i.ibb.co/XJ88GKK/E942568-C-7-CE2-4-BB5-97-C0-91-D1-E14-EFD6-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XJ88GKK)



(https://i.ibb.co/QNBRRqp/F6428-E7-A-47-B6-410-B-812-B-7-A79182-F99-BB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QNBRRqp)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 05:53:30 AM
The video is cracking me up
Why...? :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 05:55:19 AM
Great video shot on the guzzi link of the Italian eagle landing on the hand of a seated rider ..

Where have I seen this motorcycle shape before?


(https://i.ibb.co/XJ88GKK/E942568-C-7-CE2-4-BB5-97-C0-91-D1-E14-EFD6-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XJ88GKK)



(https://i.ibb.co/QNBRRqp/F6428-E7-A-47-B6-410-B-812-B-7-A79182-F99-BB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QNBRRqp)

Jeez, you’re right.
They both have a wheel on each end, it’s uncanny..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: chuck peterson on September 10, 2021, 06:01:01 AM
LOL
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 10, 2021, 06:03:48 AM
Honestly, I think it’s a pretty good looking bike. With a set of integrated bags, it looks like a winner to me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on September 10, 2021, 06:04:36 AM
 :shocked:
It’s all subjective but that’s the ugliest, blandest thing I’ve seen come out of the Factory since…well honestly, I dunno.  Are they taking their cues from a 2005 FZ6?  I’m genuinely baffled.  Uh.  Hope it looks better in person?  :boozing: :undecided:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on September 10, 2021, 06:09:08 AM
Well I'd say it's on par with some of their ugliest contraptions ;)

Anyway - the engine looks nice, and might fit into a new classic line well with some appropriate valve covers.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 06:12:30 AM
   Hope it looks better in person?  :boozing: :undecided:
Funny mate.
Your comments suggest you’re adamant, but your emoji says you’re undecided..
Fair dinkum, some of you blokes would whinge if your arse was eating ice cream, it’s very, very, nice.
BTW.
What do you ride and for someone who’s baffled, you’re making a lot of noise..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 10, 2021, 06:12:52 AM
I do love that they retained fins on the jugs... couldnt see that before. Also liking the look of the 'new carc' now that I can see more detail. Cool wheels.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 10, 2021, 06:17:54 AM
I’m trying not to be biased, but add this to one of the 10% of sport-style bikes that actually attract me. Simple, sleek lines, and something about that fairing is just jazz. Here’s hoping it passes the wind tunnel test :D
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 10, 2021, 06:19:49 AM
I do love that they retained fins on the jugs... couldnt see that before. Also liking the look of the 'new carc' now that I can see more detail. Cool wheels.

And I think they did a great job in minimizing the radiator, also looks like a shorter wheelbase. I bet it’s fun to ride.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Beowulf on September 10, 2021, 06:21:45 AM
Why...? :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
. Mostly the idea this bike is taking flight like an Eagle I think is a neat concept. I do feel the video is over the top in a good way. Just when the bike takes off visually it looks like the rider is missing the turn. Maybe it’s just me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Amstaff on September 10, 2021, 06:34:58 AM
That’s enough to get me thinking about a new bike purchase. Beautiful metallic red and styling. Not sure if the water cooling is a turnoff, and if the cylinders should look modern and smooth. The engine form conveys the heritage without the fins.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: elvisboy77 on September 10, 2021, 06:38:00 AM
https://youtu.be/9vgM1pjO0gQ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 10, 2021, 06:42:07 AM
I'm excited about this.  It looks pretty sporty, but look at the height of the handlebars, they know their audience.  Nothing about price yet, but I imagine you will need at least $13,000 to $15,000 to park it in your garage, then come the bags and other accessories.  The BMW 1250RS is the closest looking beemer to it and they are more like $20,000.00. So, just as the V85 series is a relative bargain for what you get, I hope they keep this machine priced right too.  This machine may actually have a shot of some conquest sales if it gets the press reception that the v85tt got and of course, if they can deliver the bikes.  Always a question with MG.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 06:46:25 AM
It’s an opinion, Huzo.  Deal with it.  :grin:
I thought I did.
If they were in the stores, I’d have one tomorrow....(in red).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bettythebear on September 10, 2021, 06:46:56 AM
I think the gold rims, and the subtle swoop of that swingarm look fantastic. In the video it also looks like it has active air intake panels of some sort. Pretty fancy.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on September 10, 2021, 07:13:25 AM
Wow!  That looks great!  I can see one in my garage already!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 07:18:56 AM
Wow!  That looks great!  I can see one in my garage already!!
Wanna’ make some room ?...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 10, 2021, 07:20:49 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/vQt2cLs/A70-C703-A-1-BF3-4-B6-A-9-E6-D-017-A88852734.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 10, 2021, 07:32:53 AM
I'm excited about this.  It looks pretty sporty, but look at the height of the handlebars, they know their audience.  Nothing about price yet, but I imagine you will need at least $13,000 to $15,000 to park it in your garage, then come the bags and other accessories.  The BMW 1250RS is the closest looking beemer to it and they are more like $20,000.00. So, just as the V85 series is a relative bargain for what you get, I hope they keep this machine priced right too.  This machine may actually have a shot of some conquest sales if it gets the press reception that the v85tt got and of course, if they can deliver the bikes.  Always a question with MG.

It will be closer to $20K than 13-15... Glad it's not a cruiser. Not exactly stunningly beautiful but I like it - I'll bet it has a nice personality. :grin: Certainly is modern and a good way to kick off the next 100 years.
Do we know displacement? I'll bet 1200-1400cc
And why is the driveshaft on the left?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 07:39:35 AM

Do we know displacement? I'll bet 1200-1400cc
And why is the driveshaft on the left?
I thought it was a foregone conclusion that it was 1000 cc.....(hope it is).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bettythebear on September 10, 2021, 07:45:40 AM
I thought it was a foregone conclusion that it was 1000 cc.....(hope it is).

Yeah, it should be 1000 so that in a couple years they'll come out with the "v100 1200" to go with the v7 850. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 10, 2021, 07:47:37 AM
Lovely!! Can’t wait to see one and ride it!


(https://i.ibb.co/23FWrBx/55-B3-B61-B-0196-4-DCA-96-C4-77-C5-CE9-CA595.png) (https://ibb.co/23FWrBx)

(https://i.ibb.co/kKTSPBc/288-BAF65-964-F-4-C09-A7-C8-216-E9-FA50023.png) (https://ibb.co/kKTSPBc)

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Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: hauto on September 10, 2021, 07:52:46 AM
I do like it ,but grown to like the black motor and drive line. I'm sure that they wanted the new motor to pop. It does have classic motorcycle lines. In the video you can see that the clutch is accessible from the rear of the motor. It is a good looking bike,but is sport touring bikes in demand these days? If they were Honda I would expect a new stelvio next year with this motor. Who knows,maybe a big surprise in November.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 10, 2021, 07:53:59 AM
I thought it was a foregone conclusion that it was 1000 cc.....(hope it is).

Ahh, yes. 1000cc should make well over 100 HP with water cooling. Happy to see they kept the fins!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: siabeid on September 10, 2021, 07:55:21 AM
I like it a lot. The green one will go nicely with my green v7 sport and green z900rs cafe. I wish that all of these manufacturers would put front fenders on that would protect the front of the engine. Especially ones with radiators.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 10, 2021, 07:59:22 AM
Yeah, it should be 1000 so that in a couple years they'll come out with the "v100 1200" to go with the v7 850.

 :laugh:  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: krglorioso on September 10, 2021, 08:18:00 AM
I kinda, maybe, sorta, almost think I like it.    A "FendaExtenda" may be available to protect the radiator, etc, from road grime, stones, etc.  Still can't quite get comfortable with the pipes exiting the sides of the heads.  Overall, credit to Mandello for a very nice design and very updated features.  I doubt it will replace my Breva 750, but it certainly has my attention.
Ralph
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on September 10, 2021, 08:24:16 AM
 :thumb: 
I like it.  Interesting that they took a page from BMW (maybe?) and redirected the intake/exhaust.  Maybe from Motus, I don't know...
But that final drive...it's on the WRONG SIDE.  How will we ever be able to make right handers now?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on September 10, 2021, 08:31:24 AM
Wanna’ make some room ?...

I think it has come to that.  Got that dinghy ready?   :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on September 10, 2021, 08:34:57 AM

Time to make room in my garage!   :bike-037:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 10, 2021, 08:38:20 AM
More pictures.

https://www.moto.it/news/nuova-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-le-foto-definitive.html
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: fotoguzzi on September 10, 2021, 08:52:45 AM
Yawn, looks like a Motus
(https://i.ibb.co/XbSsj2b/51510-F57-D63-E-4080-98-E1-7745672-A8193.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XbSsj2b)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: gsf12man on September 10, 2021, 08:55:48 AM
Like! :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LongRanger on September 10, 2021, 08:58:22 AM
I like it.

My first thought after noticing the diagonal slots beneath the seat was “1982 Katana!”
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 10, 2021, 09:01:58 AM
Yawn, looks like a Motus
(https://i.ibb.co/XbSsj2b/51510-F57-D63-E-4080-98-E1-7745672-A8193.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XbSsj2b)


Is it going to cost as much? Not sure about the fake cooling fins the green and silver looks better than the red IMO, the red hides whats going on in the body work. Few Benelli TNT/Tre vibes, the proof will be in the riding and how the motor is tuned. Although pricing I assuming well over what the top of the range V85TT goes for, that's going to put it into some fairly stiff competition from some fairly capable machines.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: mojohand on September 10, 2021, 09:02:07 AM
I don't see the pictures with the bags...for, sure, as a sport tourer, it has bags, right? Right?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 10, 2021, 09:10:26 AM
Video of the Italian magazine Omnimoto.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97DsTk1lo5I&t=215s
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 10, 2021, 09:36:17 AM
I'll eat crow, not great but pretty good.  Looks a little like my Ducati. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: drawnverybadly on September 10, 2021, 09:39:09 AM
I've only known and became a fan of the brand thanks to discovering the V7 line and I've only known Moto Guzzi as the "beautiful retro styled" italian brand, and honestly the V100 looks gross.

To the older guzzistas that knew Guzzi when they made similarly styled bikes like the Breva and Lario, is the V100 less "shocking" because you guys knew Guzzi for plastiky bikes?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on September 10, 2021, 09:46:31 AM
Looks good from the photos!! :boozing: :cool: :bow: :thumb: 

Wonder what the MSRP will be?!? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :huh: :huh:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 10, 2021, 09:46:46 AM
(https://cdn.inmoto.it/images/2021/09/10/125857790-25ecce58-368d-46c1-a9f1-75156ed63eed.jpg)

https://www.inmoto.it/foto/news/2021/09/10-4674197/nuova_moto_guzzi_v100_foto/#1
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AaronH on September 10, 2021, 09:54:12 AM
I really like the design, and am excited to see if I like riding it... and if I can afford it.  I love the two color options, but if I get one, it'll be red. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bettythebear on September 10, 2021, 09:55:39 AM
google translation from one of the italian articles:

The engine, completely new (as it is easy to guess from the rotated cylinders, to improve habitability and ergonomics, and obviously from the liquid cooling) should have a power between 110 and 120 horsepower. But it does not end there: the Mandello will also have several "firsts" - the quickshifter, which has never been seen before on a standard Moto Guzzi - and even active aerodynamics , an absolute novelty in the motorcycle scene. As the speed increases, the windshield rises automatically and, laterally, two flaps open to manage the flows that hit the rider.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bettythebear on September 10, 2021, 10:05:02 AM
Video of the Italian magazine Omnimoto.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97DsTk1lo5I&t=215s

If you click on the video settings you can have subtitles that auto translate to English. They're good enough to know exactly what the host is pointing out.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom H on September 10, 2021, 10:07:30 AM
I like it. The color on other bikes was blah. On this one it looks nice. I like the fins on the cylinders. Keeps the classic look.

I'm just a bit worried about the headers. I hope they come out with some really good engine guards.

Tom
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 10, 2021, 10:12:43 AM
google translation from one of the italian articles:

The engine, completely new (as it is easy to guess from the rotated cylinders, to improve habitability and ergonomics, and obviously from the liquid cooling) should have a power between 110 and 120 horsepower. But it does not end there: the Mandello will also have several "firsts" - the quickshifter, which has never been seen before on a standard Moto Guzzi - and even active aerodynamics , an absolute novelty in the motorcycle scene. As the speed increases, the windshield rises automatically and, laterally, two flaps open to manage the flows that hit the rider.

Cylinders look tall enough for a true OHC or is it a high cam?   :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bill E. on September 10, 2021, 10:14:09 AM
  To me, if it had clip ons it's the new Le Mans everybody's been whining about for decades on end
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 10, 2021, 10:15:34 AM
how much does it weigh????

could be absolutely perfect (I was just ranting to my friend the other day thet nobody makes sport tourers anymore)

but reserving judgement til I get the details
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on September 10, 2021, 10:16:06 AM
I personally think it is very good looking. Not some behemoth. I'll bet the green color scheme is a knockout up close and personal. Sadly, I've aged out, and have my "wind up" bike, or I'd be a player.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 10, 2021, 10:16:58 AM
  To me, if it had clip ons it's the new Le Mans everybody's been whining about for decades on end

Yep!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on September 10, 2021, 10:29:02 AM
Not 100% sold on the design BUT it is a 10000000000000000% better than some of the newer bikes that are pumping out on the market right now.

So far it is a + in my book.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 10, 2021, 10:31:31 AM
I've only known and became a fan of the brand thanks to discovering the V7 line and I've only known Moto Guzzi as the "beautiful retro styled" italian brand, and honestly the V100 looks gross.

To the older guzzistas that knew Guzzi when they made similarly styled bikes like the Breva and Lario, is the V100 less "shocking" because you guys knew Guzzi for plastiky bikes?

This is precisely the problem that MG created upon themselves—they began to become stale, when they used to be innovative.
My heart always leans toward classics, but a moto company that used to be relevant as a modern bike builder that now only caters to vintage styling will bury its own grave (unless it’s some East Asian brand stuck in the times but can’t afford to become updated).

Vintage styling is a fad that comes and goes in strength. Cafes and scramblers see their days then hide back into their respective catalogs. This re-entry back into stylish modern performance is a great thing for the brand. It means continued relevance and refreshing appeal to the motorcycle buyers at large.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on September 10, 2021, 10:34:25 AM
I really like the design, and am excited to see if I like riding it... and if I can afford it.  I love the two color options, but if I get one, it'll be red.

I like them both, but if I bought one, it would definitely be "RED!"  :wink: :thumb:


(https://i.ibb.co/cXmRmWR/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-8-32-27-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/cXmRmWR)

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(https://i.ibb.co/L6hpX2k/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-8-31-55-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/L6hpX2k)


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Canuck750 on September 10, 2021, 10:43:58 AM
It looks great to me, the first new GUZZI I would seriously consider owning. I wonder if I could order a bike and arrange to pick it up at the factory? BMW used to offer that service, and after the owner rode around Europe the factory sent it to North America.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bettythebear on September 10, 2021, 10:52:28 AM
Honestly, they'll have to price it around $15k to have a chance. If they don't, there's no reason to buy it over a Tracer 9 GT for the same price.

Tracer 9 GT:
-3cyl
-115hp
-semi active suspension, 6 axis IMU
-come with bags

The only thing it doesn't have is a shaft drive
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 10, 2021, 10:53:50 AM
I like them both, but if I bought one, it would definitely be "RED!"  :wink: :thumb:


(https://i.ibb.co/cXmRmWR/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-8-32-27-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/cXmRmWR)

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(https://i.ibb.co/L6hpX2k/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-8-31-55-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/L6hpX2k)


The red one is nice but if the green one has an Ohlins suspension, that would be the one I'd pick.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Motormike on September 10, 2021, 10:56:11 AM
Great video shot on the guzzi link of the Italian eagle landing on the hand of a seated rider ..

Where have I seen this motorcycle shape before?

I was thinking more Yamaha TDM:

(https://i.ibb.co/DtTpSg0/YAMAHA-TDM-850-5530-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DtTpSg0)


Having said that, I think the bike looks fine.  The more modern stying will hopefully bring some new riders into the Guzzi tent.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 10, 2021, 10:59:28 AM
allright it's growing on me

in green especially

 :drool:

Really pleased to see guzzi getting it (seemingly) right after some very lean years!!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Groover on September 10, 2021, 11:01:38 AM
Looks good to me!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: TalbotMatra on September 10, 2021, 11:09:28 AM
I‘m more or less on the Cruiser side of life, but the new V100 really looks good. This is a fine interpretation of the V2 motor concept linked with the aesthetics and functiom of a sportstourer.

Ciao
Lars
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 10, 2021, 11:14:31 AM
I just did an overlay image comparison between the v100 and the griso (would post it, but I'm not great with uploading pictures on this site, anyone know a good free server?)

much shorter wheelbase, shorter reach to bars, slightly lower seat, 'looks' lighter too

110 horses in that configuration could be very enjoyably useable in the real world

-will the mapping be rubbish?
-will there be some dreadful mechanical failure that piaggio won't fix and affects only models of a certain vin number. maybe?
-will the paint peel off on the first wash?
-will you need a smartphone to ride it?
-will our cherished guzzi lump lose all it's character once water cooled?

Off to take some 'calmo calmo' pills now, someone wake me up when there's more info

forza guzzi!!!!!

 :thumb:

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: moto on September 10, 2021, 11:26:59 AM
Off-road mode showing on speedometer
Active suspension on high-end version
Automatic fairing panels/windscreen deployment at speed
Accessible clutch (mentioned before)
Excellent cylinder appearance from rider's seat
More legroom from relocated intakes
Ditto maybe allowing for a  shorter wheelbase
Silver engine with black exhaust deemphasizes exhaust
Chevron on valve covers suggests old exhaust position
Beautiful

Seems good to me.

Moto

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on September 10, 2021, 11:35:23 AM
Cycleworld just posted the following article:

www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-new-model-and-engine-details/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on September 10, 2021, 11:41:37 AM
Ok I'm totally into it, this is not the SuperBreva 850 I have been waiting for since about 2014, this is the MegaBreva sports tourer which will probably be out of my price range even for the standard model, but what the hell I love it. I'm going to have a test ride when the time comes, and compare it to a V7850 Stone - which is more my price bracket most likely. Until now the 2004 Breva will do.

Things I like;
Power  - at the moment I have 39rwhp so what's not to like.
Looks - I love the look of it, looks like its a dynamic corner carving ride that also can eat a few miles. Red for me.
Comfort factor looks similar to my Breva; all day riding. 
Its modern - love the classics but the company cant be stuck in the retro rut forever.

Dislike;
Likely too pricey for me
Seat height (maybe) - I'm 5 foot 3.
All those panniers will cost big but should be thrown in as part of the deal - Guzzi folk tour its in the blood.
Thats about it...........
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzistaracing on September 10, 2021, 12:45:06 PM
I like it.

My first thought after noticing the diagonal slots beneath the seat was “1982 Katana!”

My exact first thought also, I had a `85 katana! I like it and think it will go down well with the modern buyer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 10, 2021, 12:51:01 PM
It's too large a jump for many to get by the Tracer's looks.  NOT to be that guy, but a bike has to appeal to the owner.  If stats are all that matter then the choice is already made for the buyer with that stat sheet.  I know guys with the Tracer, but, and it's ONLY me, but no thanks, even for free.  It looks hideous.  But as in many things in life, there is  HUGE SUBJECTIVE COMPONENT, and only the viewer can decide.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzistaracing on September 10, 2021, 01:15:54 PM
Interesting to see that they have dumped the big flywheel and clutch. Now you have something modern, maybe even geared down to make shifts like a Jap. Clutch pack is located in what looks like a accessible place. Romours have it that it is a DOCH engine. The lower inertia of the clutch and the DOCH engine could make this a very nice package to make other models with. I like it. (Oh, I almost forgot the watercooling, my comment to this is: it is surely about time!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: larrys on September 10, 2021, 01:40:19 PM
New engine and drivetrain. About time...
Larry
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moto Vita on September 10, 2021, 01:44:09 PM
  To me, if it had clip ons it's the new Le Mans everybody's been whining about for decades on end

 I think the bars look too high and wide for the footpeg position, have to sit on one. Those bars may be the narrower bars I've been wanting for the V85 though.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 10, 2021, 01:45:52 PM
I can't wait to see it in person. This thing looks different from every angle...  Some good, some bad.

It's like the "two-faced girlfriend" from Seinfeld....  Surely it's gonna look better in person. The two-tone green might be the one for me! Although the first mod will have to be re-covering the saddle in brown leather like a Tenni GRiSO or the Tenni V11
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on September 10, 2021, 01:49:25 PM
I'm thrilled Moto Guzzi has now released two models in succession that aren't another pander to the highway-peg crowd. It appeared for a few years there Piaggio was content to let Aprilia carry the performance mantle and Guzzi would be the cruiser brand.

That would have been a real shame to let the racing heritage go for naught.

I like it very much!  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moto Vita on September 10, 2021, 01:57:26 PM
 It looks awesome, I was prepared not to like it but it grabs me. It strikes me as a little Hondaesque, that's not a bad thing, the problem is that I can ride to about 15 Honda dealers in less time than it takes me to get to a Guzzi dealer, and it's not the greatest dealer either.
 I'm not sure how I feel about hanging the clutch off the side like that, out of the path of the engine and transmission shafts, I'd like to see a cutaway of the new powerplant.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: drawnverybadly on September 10, 2021, 02:20:43 PM
This is precisely the problem that MG created upon themselves—they began to become stale, when they used to be innovative.
My heart always leans toward classics, but a moto company that used to be relevant as a modern bike builder that now only caters to vintage styling will bury its own grave (unless it’s some East Asian brand stuck in the times but can’t afford to become updated).

Vintage styling is a fad that comes and goes in strength. Cafes and scramblers see their days then hide back into their respective catalogs. This re-entry back into stylish modern performance is a great thing for the brand. It means continued relevance and refreshing appeal to the motorcycle buyers at large.

Moto Guzzi hasn't innovated since they built a wind tunnel in 1950, maybe we can throw in their V8 in 1955 but in their 100 year history they've spent the majority of their existence being technologically stale and playing catch up in everything except design (IMO).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Groover on September 10, 2021, 03:28:37 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/BP5R4zT/B013-BAF4-7-EE1-45-CE-A6-B7-E228-C6410-BA3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BP5R4zT)

(https://i.ibb.co/NmGXqJF/41-FBC33-D-A121-4603-B730-15-B3-CE16-C2-D4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NmGXqJF)

(https://i.ibb.co/KK8x59G/39235-DA8-5055-4-D7-F-B81-A-662-CACC4-E69-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KK8x59G)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: krglorioso on September 10, 2021, 03:39:37 PM
Okay.  I've had a few hours to mull over the new V-100.  With all due deference (not much--he's half my age, after all) to my dear friend of 12 years, BPReynolds, who has with age become somewhat of a curmudgeon, I think Guzzi's engineers and stylists have hit a "home run". 

I recommend that Guzzisti now be divided into three categories:  Loop Frame "Red Suspender Gang"; "Round Headlamp Gang" and "Modernos".  I'm among the middle group, but I believe the new V-100 signals the advent of new ideas that will appeal to a broader, younger (and not so young) rider group. 

It is in the collective interest of we Guzzisti that Piaggio should do well and I think the new V-100 will ensure that happy outcome.

BTW, my birthday is 12/12 and I'm only 15 years junior to Moto Guzzi. I like the green and silver.  Just sayin'...

Ralph
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 10, 2021, 03:44:34 PM
Slightly larger images shared by Nick on our local forum. I'm like what MG has done and am really looking forward to a full review. Love my V85TT but wow - just wow!


(https://i.ibb.co/3kpkK2J/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-2-23-20-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/3kpkK2J)

(https://i.ibb.co/0GrpN3d/Screen-Shot-2021-09-10-at-2-27-02-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/0GrpN3d)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: elrealistico on September 10, 2021, 03:45:10 PM
I think I see in the video on youtube, the clutch housing. Maybe a wet clutch?

I like it, will wait for the bugs to be worked out and see what other models come along with this motor. Lots of differences from the MG of the last 50-60 years or so, but change is inevitable!

Oh, and I am on TEAM RED for this one :)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 10, 2021, 04:23:18 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/vQt2cLs/A70-C703-A-1-BF3-4-B6-A-9-E6-D-017-A88852734.jpg)

I really like this bike!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on September 10, 2021, 04:26:40 PM
When BMW upgraded their Camhead to the Waterhead in roughly 2012, the first thing I noticed was that the intakes were now on top the cylinder heads, and the exhausts were on the bottom of the cylinder heads.  Like the upcoming Guzzi engine.  I used PowerPoint at that time to illustrate the difference in cam function, since I couldn't find a graphic comparison of the two cam layouts.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

With the Camhead, I believe each camshaft contained one intake and one exhaust lobe.  With the Waterhead, I think each camshaft contained either two intake lobes or two exhaust lobes.  Easier, most likely, to control variable valve timing.  I believe BMW alters only the intake cam timing.


(https://i.ibb.co/dKKbFw0/Old-DOHC-vs-new-DOHC-BMW-Flat-Twin.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dKKbFw0)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 10, 2021, 04:36:35 PM
I do wonder how much heat the rider is going to feel.  Remember, the liquid cooling is so that the engine passes Euro Emissions,  All the heat emitted by the radiator and the pipes put the side like that. 

I will definitely check it out when it arrives at Sloans.   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: not-fishing on September 10, 2021, 04:55:35 PM
I do wonder how much heat the rider is going to feel.  Remember, the liquid cooling is so that the engine passes Euro Emissions,  All the heat emitted by the radiator and the pipes put the side like that. 

I'm up for a heat-independent Guzzi because I've ridden mine enough times in 100+ heat where the Griso or V11 Lemans gets Very Cranky.

I'm thinking this is more along the lines of a Tuono/Griso and I do love my long wheel base bike for touring or long day trips.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on September 10, 2021, 05:16:20 PM
Who's gonna be their 1st Guinea Pig, Do they have chips to make it work? No pics of it actually going down the road, none I seen.

Sorry it may be full of issue's that your warranty will fix, I'm glad not to work on it and go w/older more reliable.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AJ Huff on September 10, 2021, 05:19:38 PM
Who's gonna be their 1st Guinea Pig, Do they have chips to make it work? No pics of it actually going down the road, none I seen.

Sorry it may be full of issue's that your warranty will fix, I'm glad not to work on it and go w/older more reliable.

Nobody here. It's going to cost more than $8500! 🤣😂

-AJ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Milosh on September 10, 2021, 05:40:23 PM
I do like it. But I bought an air-cooled bike for a reason.

For evidence why, take a look of the LHS of a Ducati Monster 821. Also, rocks.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 10, 2021, 05:41:20 PM
Who's gonna be their 1st Guinea Pig, Do they have chips to make it work? No pics of it actually going down the road, none I seen.

Sorry it may be full of issue's that your warranty will fix, I'm glad not to work on it and go w/older more reliable.

People that own multiple bikes, and trade off bikes every season or two. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on September 10, 2021, 05:48:06 PM
QUOTE: Nobody here. It's going to cost more than $8500! 🤣😂 -AJ

Oh yes...much more than $8,500.... :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: The MSRP will be more like $17,000+++
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 05:53:41 PM
I put my deposit on the V85 before it was built.
Issue I have now though, is that I am getting too old to wear out a Norge, V85 and a V100 before I die.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Solorider73 on September 10, 2021, 06:08:54 PM
I like it.  I'm a fan of sport touring bikes, so with some bags it would fit the bill.  For some reason I think the green and silver looks better on this bike that the others.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 10, 2021, 06:10:08 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/BP5R4zT/B013-BAF4-7-EE1-45-CE-A6-B7-E228-C6410-BA3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BP5R4zT)

(https://i.ibb.co/NmGXqJF/41-FBC33-D-A121-4603-B730-15-B3-CE16-C2-D4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NmGXqJF)

(https://i.ibb.co/KK8x59G/39235-DA8-5055-4-D7-F-B81-A-662-CACC4-E69-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KK8x59G)

At least it's not as ugly as a Multistrada.  Not as pretty as my 939 Supersport.  If only this bike had come out 5 years earlier.  I still want to ride one.  I talked to my local dealer, he's not gotten any word about it but seems happy to learn about it after I mentioned it. 

Do we need active aerodynamics?  That flummoxed me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 10, 2021, 06:24:30 PM
I personally think it is very good looking. Not some behemoth. I'll bet the green color scheme is a knockout up close and personal. Sadly, I've aged out, and have my "wind up" bike, or I'd be a player.

No worries Chuck. I'll let you ride mine :evil:
If this thing runs as good as it looks it will be spectacular. :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 10, 2021, 06:25:51 PM
QUOTE: Nobody here. It's going to cost more than $8500! 🤣😂 -AJ

Oh yes...much more than $8,500.... :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: The MSRP will be more like $17,000+++

that will make the v85tt feel more affordable.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 10, 2021, 06:41:03 PM
I do wonder how much heat the rider is going to feel.  Remember, the liquid cooling is so that the engine passes Euro Emissions,  All the heat emitted by the radiator and the pipes put the side like that. 

I will definitely check it out when it arrives at Sloans.

Don't worry about the radiator, worry about the catalytic converter.  No picnic in traffic.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 10, 2021, 06:42:55 PM
QUOTE: Nobody here. It's going to cost more than $8500! 🤣😂 -AJ

Oh yes...much more than $8,500.... :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: The MSRP will be more like $17,000+++  $13500.

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: GeorgiaGuzzi on September 10, 2021, 06:55:52 PM
I think I’ve found the replacement for the Triumph Trophy! Definitely future #goals! I personally love the looks
of the bike. If I was another five years along I’d put a deposit down ASAP. As it is I’ll have to wait a few years but I definitely want one.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on September 10, 2021, 07:36:13 PM
Nobody here. It's going to cost more than $8500! 🤣😂

-AJ
Not when you can buy EV's for $3000.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: stubbie on September 10, 2021, 07:41:03 PM
I like it. With any luck the tank will be bigger than 15ltr and around 220kg's
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 10, 2021, 07:42:02 PM
Not when you can buy EV's for $3000.

Guess that must be a monetary representation of what they are actually worth to most people.

 :evil:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PhilB on September 10, 2021, 07:48:28 PM
I'm excited.  The reason I'm here is that I'm looking to get a sport-tourer next, and a Norge was a contender.
If this (a) isn't too frightfully heavy, (b) can be had with hard bags, and (c) doesn't have any major design flaws, it will be a very strong possibility.
(And to those who likened it to the Motus -- I liked the Motus, and it was on my shortlist until the company failed.  I testrode one, and that was one hell of a bike.)

PhilB
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Wayne Orwig on September 10, 2021, 07:50:22 PM
One photo I saw, looked like the starter, and alternator, are just behind the block, on the right side. And to the rear of the transmission on that right side was a round housing that looked like a wet clutch. Interesting to see it up close.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on September 10, 2021, 07:56:22 PM
I kind of like it.  However, being on fixed income, I'd be more inclined to pick up a nice, rollered, low mileage Griso 8vSE.  Plus, like Chuck, I believe I too am aged-out.

Bob
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 10, 2021, 08:21:10 PM
How GuzziSteve sounds to people under 70.

“Get the hell off my yard. “
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 10, 2021, 08:22:42 PM
This is the 'official' video from the MG website: https://youtu.be/9vgM1pjO0gQ (https://youtu.be/9vgM1pjO0gQ)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: cliffrod on September 10, 2021, 08:25:24 PM
I don't like this composition at all- poorly done, makes me think of the HD VRod headlight limp "penis" thing...  there's too much visual noise and lack of assertive detail that I don't like it. It looks better in red because many details are less obvious, but those details are still there.  I won't be buying one, so my opinion is just my opinion.  Give me one and I'll sell it immediately to buy a few older bikes.

The bigger issue to me (as an artist and as someone who is more interested in MG history than current market trends) is why this special anniversary release focuses upon the 1957 V8 motorcycles (zinc chromate green, argent & brown) than the 1969 Record bikes which were built by Lino Tonti to actually demonstrate what the new VTwin engine platform could do and then did become.  The V8 was a special bike.   But it died a quick death on the racetrack as a novelty & NEVER made it to production.

By comparison, the two 1969 Record bikes gave birth to every VTwin MG sport bike ever made. That is real creds and is why MG is still alive today.  Period.  From the museum-


(https://i.ibb.co/WFSrQg1/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WFSrQg1)

image uploader (https://imgbb.com/)


IMHO- This new V100 bike is a play on ignorant new buyers.  Give credit where credit is due.  Make a real affordable V8 MG street bike in these colors (imagine if Piaggio did a limited run of them as a marketing play- hot damn!) or do a VTwin that isn't a pander to the V8. I like Dave's V7 850 but how many times are they going to rehash the same idea in the same colors?  They should have quit while they were ahead.

People here complain about HD pandering retro stuff.  This is a big sellout imho, just like the first Loop that was a blatant ripoff of a HD ElectraGlide.   No surprise they're going to close down the original MG factory museum & open a new bling shop.  Bet they'll be selling every doodad imaginable, just like HD corporate forced legit old dillygaf dealerships to do back in the 90's....

Rant over
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 10, 2021, 08:29:26 PM

Do we need active aerodynamics?  That flummoxed me.

I think along with the adjustable screen it will be variable wind/weather protection.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clancy on September 10, 2021, 08:57:47 PM
Have it washed and brought to my tent.

No worries mate, I've just got to take it out and make it dirty first  :evil:

Is it a GriSO? No.
Will it replace my GRiSO? No.
Would I like to have a ride on it? F#@% Yeah!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on September 10, 2021, 09:05:52 PM
This is a big sellout imho, just like the first Loop that was a blatant ripoff of a HD ElectraGlide.   

Huh?  :shocked: Very little resemblance between the two, far from a "ripoff".

(https://i.ibb.co/2MGyKYx/67-V700.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2MGyKYx)

(https://i.ibb.co/7RvjZ4q/67-Electra-Glide.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7RvjZ4q)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 10, 2021, 09:21:24 PM
Don’t worry Clifford, no body is going to give you one.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: cliffrod on September 10, 2021, 09:33:05 PM
Huh?  :shocked: Very little resemblance between the two, far from a "ripoff".

(https://i.ibb.co/2MGyKYx/67-V700.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2MGyKYx)

(https://i.ibb.co/7RvjZ4q/67-Electra-Glide.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7RvjZ4q)


The V700 looks curiously more like an Electraglide than a Falcone, especially if you enlarge that square toolbox to better mimic the saddlebag of the HD.  Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is.  In 1966, MG was deep in receivership and needing to survive.  You do what works.  Look at those two pics as posted.  nearly all details are either enlarged or diminished in place- even the number of design elements.  The V700 were also marketing heavily into the USA market, which apparently had little interest in a Falcone. Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is.
 
Maybe it was just the same coincidental leap in technology that BMW did when moving from the /2 earls fork platform in 68-70 (the few telescopic front end /2 1969 bikes aside) by advancing the MG platform from the Falcone/scissor suspension to the modern shocks frame.  Still, they look a lot alike.  MG reportedly chose the lime gold green for the V7 Sport simply because of market survey research results.   It's not hard to think the put the same method to work to decide how to package to new V twin platform.

edit-
Don’t worry Clifford, no body is going to give you one.  :rolleyes:

Whew- that's a load off... at least I'll be able to sleep tonight.  thanks, Chad!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 10, 2021, 09:34:34 PM
IMHO- This new V100 bike is a play on ignorant new buyers.

Unless I missed it (definitely possible) I fail to see where you supported this assertion.

Would you care to connect the dots for someone as dense as myself?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: cliffrod on September 10, 2021, 09:53:03 PM
Unless I missed it (definitely possible) I fail to see where you supported this assertion.

Would you care to connect the dots for someone as dense as myself?

V8 vs Vtwin.   A handful of special race bikes vs how many(?) vtwins production bikes based upon the Vtwin platform that saved MG based upon the new engine & then new frame by Lino Tonti that was a direct result of the MG receivership edict to their celebrity engineer to prove it.  He did.  We win.

Maybe it's just me.  But the V8 didn't save MG.  It was briefly relevant a decade prior but didn't save the company then and didn't come to the rescue to save the company from receivership between circa 1957 and 1966. The new V7 engine platform did, which is likely why everything under the MG moon in recent years has been branded as V7.   

It's the ultimate AMF metaphor.  I have no ill feeling because I like my AMF HD stuff as much as I like my post 1966 MG stuff. But it's convenient to pretend it didn't happen.  MG did what they had to and survived. Very cool.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 10, 2021, 10:00:53 PM
V8 vs Vtwin.   A handful of special race bikes vs how many(?) vtwins production bikes based upon the Vtwin platform that saved MG based upon the new engine & then new frame by Lino Tonti that was a direct result of the MG receivership edict to their celebrity engineer to prove it.  He did.  We win.

Maybe it's just me.  But the V8 didn't save MG.  It was briefly relevant a decade prior but didn't save the company then and didn't come to the rescue to save the company from receivership between circa 1957 and 1966. The new V7 engine platform did, which is likely why everything under the MG moon in recent years has been branded as V7.   

It's the ultimate AMF metaphor.  I have no ill feeling because I like my AMF HD stuff as much as I like my post 1966 MG stuff. But it's convenient to pretend it didn't happen.  MG did what they had to and survived. Very cool.


Ahhh is all of this based on the damn color scheme? Or some other tie to that model?

The model that no one who is not already DEEPLY steeped in Guzzi history would ever have a clue about?

Yes new buyers may be "ignorant" of it, but how can you possibly "play" to something that no one knows or gives a crap about?!?

As someone who has owned and cared about Guzzis for about two decades I didn't know, nor would I have connected or given a crap about it

I guess I'm saying it's ok to draw upon a distant or even vague connection to the past for inspiration without it needing to be so direct to be legitimate.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moto Vita on September 10, 2021, 10:03:04 PM
 I can see this is going to be a long and contentious thread. Any guesses how many pages before anybody sees a bike?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on September 10, 2021, 10:06:15 PM
The V700 looks curiously more like an Electraglide than a Falcone, especially if you enlarge that square toolbox to better mimic the saddlebag of the HD.  Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is.  In 1966, MG was deep in receivership and needing to survive.  You do what works.  Look at those two pics as posted.  nearly all details are either enlarged or diminished in place- even the number of design elements.  The V700 were also marketing heavily into the USA market, which apparently had little interest in a Falcone. Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is.

Still ain't seeing it. Gas tank totally different shape, front fender on the Guzzi far less valanced, bit of stretch to say that if the toolbox was enlarged it would look like the Harley saddlebag. Okay, Guzzi battery cover resembles the Harley battery box. Flat seat vs. buddy. Deeper, more prominent headlight bucket. V700 resembles an Electra Glide as much as Madonna (Chiccone) resembles the Madonna (and Child).

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 10, 2021, 11:07:38 PM
I can see this is going to be a long and contentious thread. Any guesses how many pages before anybody sees a bike?

Well there are pictures on page 1.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 11:39:15 PM
Well if nothing else, it’s a good little conversation starter.... :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
I must have watched that short promo a hundred times.
Don’t be surprised if it pops up on Red Tube.... :drool:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 10, 2021, 11:54:28 PM

Ahhh is all of this based on the damn color scheme? Or some other tie to that model?

The model that no one who is not already DEEPLY steeped in Guzzi history would ever have a clue about?

Yes new buyers may be "ignorant" of it, but how can you possibly "play" to something that no one knows or gives a crap about?!?

As someone who has owned and cared about Guzzis for about two decades I didn't know, nor would I have connected or given a crap about it

I guess I'm saying it's ok to draw upon a distant or even vague connection to the past for inspiration without it needing to be so direct to be legitimate.
Touche’ Sir... :bow: :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzikid on September 11, 2021, 12:20:53 AM
  All I got to say is.....I LOVE IT !   And I want one !!!  I'm sure it will be next year before we can get our hands on it.  BTW, the "red" V100 flat turns me on !!!   :thumb:  The Kid
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: zedXmick on September 11, 2021, 12:52:25 AM
I love  it!! I’d take the red!!it’s absolutely beautiful in the video!! Well done Moto Guzzi!!! :bow: :cool:t :thumb: welcome to the next 100 years indeed!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mr Revhead on September 11, 2021, 01:39:45 AM
Looks awesome to me!
It's not a loop or Tonti, but it can't be can jt? Not if we want Moto Guzzi to thrive and survive.
They have to attract new buyers.
It certainly looks a shit load better than almost everything else modern.
And don't forget,  it's just the first version of a new range. Something will come along with a Le Mans badge.
Now, can someone give me one please?  :drool:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on September 11, 2021, 01:47:16 AM
My 2c
I see no tribute to v8 at all, nor anything pre mid 80’s
I do see the 1980’s in spades, think Lario, mk4 le mens, even T5 etc, or any oriental bike of time
Tupperware bikes we called them then
Guess retro had to move on from 70’s eventually, next gen of old codgers who that style appealed to will jump in.
Smart move, 70’s people go for V7 line, 80’s people this one

But the motor, if not properly modern in Ducati /Aprillia country , looks to be a new ball game, only thing it appears to have from Sig Carcano’s brilliant design of 65 is the engine configuration.
Peek inside will be interesting, valve train etc
Well done Guzzi, I hope it works
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 11, 2021, 02:07:48 AM
This is a big sellout imho, just like the first Loop that was a blatant ripoff of a HD ElectraGlide.
In 1966 In Italy it was barely known that Harley Davidson was a motorcycle brand and none knew what an "ElectraGlide" was. The target for the V7 was the market of the BMW R60/69.

(https://www.yesterdays.nl/site/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/BMW-1965-R69S-ft-20.jpg)

(https://www.autobelle.it/altre-immagini/immagini_annunci/25/255612/sorgente_255612.d1520894510.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on September 11, 2021, 04:35:11 AM

But the motor, if not properly modern in Ducati /Aprillia country , looks to be a new ball game, only thing it appears to have from Sig Carcano’s brilliant design of 65 is the engine configuration.
Peek inside will be interesting, valve train etc
Well done Guzzi, I hope it works

About sums it up for me Martin. :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on September 11, 2021, 04:42:00 AM
In 1966 In Italy it was barely known that Harley Davidson was a motorcycle brand and none knew what an "ElectraGlide" was. The target for the V7 was the market of the BMW R60/69.

(https://www.yesterdays.nl/site/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/BMW-1965-R69S-ft-20.jpg)

(https://www.autobelle.it/altre-immagini/immagini_annunci/25/255612/sorgente_255612.d1520894510.jpg)
:thumb:
I was going to say that before, but the plot is thicker
Guzzi had to beat the jerries to the USA market
Not copy Hardly Ableto but steal from them, in bigger numbers than anyone before
And they did, , nearly all sales where Stateside, interesting  to know BMW sales figures v Guzzi in 67 and 68
My money is on the V700
Only Honda stopped the fun in 69 and 70, yanks are fickle
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 11, 2021, 04:42:38 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/7qVnYMJH/OQLI5243.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on September 11, 2021, 04:51:19 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/7qVnYMJH/OQLI5243.jpg)
:thumb:
ABSOLUTELYFUKINBRIL LIANT
Sideways in the wind tunnel
Being on the (windward) PULL side of the prop adds to it

Those clever adaptive aerodynamic doo dads work sideways in cross winds
Overtaking trucks at speed in windyland will no longer bother us, wind from left or right
I might have to buy one
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: chuck peterson on September 11, 2021, 04:58:49 AM
Those headers look like they serve a second purpose of crash bars?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on September 11, 2021, 05:33:46 AM
Well, I think it fits the bill rather nicely. Great style, great power and what looks like great ergonomics. I will certainly be taking a test ride on one when they become available.

Moto Guzzi have been making bikes for a long time and have relied on the faithful to buy their bikes. I see nothing wrong with them having more up to date offerings in their line up. I'm sure they will continue building classically styled bikes for the faithful and will attract current Ducati, Honda and BMW riders with their new offering. Fair play to them and well done for being dragged into the 21st century.

Huzo, I tried eating ice cream with my arse, it didn't go well  :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 11, 2021, 05:59:45 AM
Those headers look like they serve a second purpose of crash bars?
They look a bit like covers over the actual pipe.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on September 11, 2021, 06:50:42 AM
I notice this morning that the more I see it, the more I like it.

Of course I thought my Breva was all kinds of ugly, at first.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 11, 2021, 07:23:41 AM
I kind of like it.  However, being on fixed income, I'd be more inclined to pick up a nice, rollered, low mileage Griso 8vSE.  Plus, like Chuck, I believe I too am aged-out.

Bob

What does it mean, "on a fixed income"?

I have been topped out at work for 10 years. Does that mean I'm on a fixed income? If you are retired that means you have the time to get a part time job to fund the new bike, while I don't.   Mmm.

And aren't there those on fixed incomes that bring in more than they spend on necessities?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 11, 2021, 07:25:01 AM
I notice this morning that the more I see it, the more I like it.

Of course I thought my Breva was all kinds of ugly, at first.

YES
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on September 11, 2021, 07:30:41 AM
I’ll throw in on this one.
For those who like that style of motorcycle it’s probably appealing, personally they all look so much the same I can’t tell much different.
As far as the motor goes, I like the size and horse power speculation and the water cooled aspect is fine too.
Therefore I’d like to see a cruiser/tourer added to the line, even though I probably wouldn’t be able to own one due to the lack of dealership availability in my state.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on September 11, 2021, 07:51:21 AM
Since everyone here is clamoring to hear it  :wink: let me be more clear here than my initial “wtf” comments earlier in the thread. 

I actually think the whole bike pops, it really does.  Except that front end which is to my eyes is so bad, it nearly ruins the whole of the bike for me.  It’s a styling choice that just seems utterly bizarre to me.  Unlike some comments here, the front end does not remotely say “modern” to me and, in fact, it says worse than ugly, it says generic.  Not a single one of you blokes can tell me my opinion is wrong any more than I can yours so I’m not criticizing your beloved take on the bike, I’m just saying for me it’s a real disappointment.  Disappointing especially because it’s a new, powerful and impressive looking engine and Guzzi chose to market it with that front end which, again, seems more boring than ugly even.  And this from a guy who thinks they nailed the V7’s lines, they nailed the V85’s lines, shoot I even think they nailed the Roamer’s lines.  To me, if they were going to put a fairing on the bike I would rather it have been a single, round LED headlight in more similar manner to the Ducati Sport Classic series. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on September 11, 2021, 08:13:38 AM
We've been seeing predictions of a water cooled Guzzi for over two decades now.  Remember this one?
Personally, I am happy to see the company moving in this direction.  But- that's my opinion.


(https://i.ibb.co/YctJksk/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YctJksk)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 11, 2021, 08:15:32 AM
Since everyone here is clamoring to hear it  :wink: let me be more clear here than my initial “wtf” comments earlier in the thread. 

I actually think the whole bike pops, it really does.  Except that front end which is to my eyes is so bad, it nearly ruins the whole of the bike for me.  It’s a styling choice that just seems utterly bizarre to me.  Unlike some comments here, the front end does not remotely say “modern” to me and, in fact, it says worse than ugly, it says generic.  Not a single one of you blokes can tell me my opinion is wrong any more than I can yours so I’m not criticizing your beloved take on the bike, I’m just saying for me it’s a real disappointment.  Disappointing especially because it’s a new, powerful and impressive looking engine and Guzzi chose to market it with that front end which, again, seems more boring than ugly even.  And this from a guy who thinks they nailed the V7’s lines, they nailed the V85’s lines, shoot I even think they nailed the Roamer’s lines.  To me, if they were going to put a fairing on the bike I would rather it have been a single, round LED headlight in more similar manner to the Ducati Sport Classic series.
What is it about twin discs mated to radial mounted Brembo calipers that suggests it’s not modern ?
I’m not saying you’re wrong, because by definition an opinion can never be wrong, just some justification for your thoughts.
If you had the open book to style the front end, would you have chucked the Ohlins junk in the bin and put something else on ?
What would you have done differently ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: elrealistico on September 11, 2021, 08:18:08 AM
So I wonder--how much road testing has been done so far?  Some posters had poo-pood the notion of a "new" guzzi based on the lack of spy sightings of actual road-going machines getting flogged by testers from the factory. Maybe this will start now and up to including the "official" intro at EICMA? Production would have to start soon, to make it to the 2022 northern hemisphere spring market. Not a lot of time to correct deficiencies in design or manufacturing that may come to light with actual heavy road use
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 11, 2021, 08:20:15 AM
So I wonder--how much road testing has been done so far? Not a lot of time to correct deficiencies in design or manufacturing that may come to light with actual heavy road use
That’s our job... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 11, 2021, 08:35:09 AM
That’s our job... :rolleyes:

Beta testing has shifted from the lab to 'early adopter' consumers. Just like most software...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on September 11, 2021, 08:36:22 AM
What is it about twin discs mated to radial mounted Brembo calipers that suggests it’s not modern ?
I’m not saying you’re wrong, because by definition an opinion can never be wrong, just some justification for your thoughts.
If you had the open book to style the front end, would you have chucked the Ohlins junk in the bin and put something else on ?
What would you have done differently ?

I’m specifically speaking only of the fairing. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jorg66 on September 11, 2021, 08:41:54 AM
I like it ! New Concept on more than one front. And of course there are complaints, this is not right and that is wrong,Lol.
The right move in my opinion to present a Sport Bike first ,anything after like Tourer ,Adventure will follow .
And don't forget ,for the longest time Moto Guzzi was a single Cylinder Bike ,had one of the last ,69'Falcone .
It was 'radical'for them when the V twin was brought to market.
This Bike/Concept hopefully attracts the 'Young[er] Generation.
Do i want one ,YES  because its so different !
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on September 11, 2021, 08:55:15 AM
I wonder if they are magnesium covers or painted looky likely?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Groover on September 11, 2021, 09:04:32 AM
I fell asleep last night thinking about this bike like a little kid. Been debating the Ducati Multistrada as my main bike/weapon for a while, but just always seemed a little too aggressive and "too much". This v100 just seems easier to live with and really digging the styling. Definitely one I'd consider if I were to ever buy a newer bike from what I see. Moto Guzzi must think highly of this model as well to make it their 100th anniversary model, first water cooled (I think) and giving it the Guzzi's city name. Though... maybe it should have been an electric model  :whip2:


 :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: hauto on September 11, 2021, 09:15:34 AM
Look at the video at the end,forget the eagle. To me that is when the whole package looks good. Step back 10/15 yards and it all fits. Up close I'll agree,just doesn't quite flow as nice as from a distance.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 11, 2021, 09:16:18 AM

And why is the driveshaft on the left?

people who *seem* to know what they are talking about say a wet clutch adds another gear into the mix which reverses the spin to the driveshaft, which means either move the drive to the opposite side or reverse the spin of the engine...

I dont know if that is true, but makes sense to me
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Charles in Lake Charles on September 11, 2021, 10:00:59 AM
Check https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-new-model-and-engine-details/ (https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-new-model-and-engine-details/) for more information .
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 80CX100 on September 11, 2021, 10:28:16 AM
What would you have done differently ?

     Added a bit of roundness, and some smoother flowing lines to the overall design like MV Agusta attempted recently with one of their retro models.

     So far I've seen photo comparisons with 5-6 other brands that are all very similar in overall design, ie Ducati, Bmw, Honda, Suzuki, the Kawi comparison especially, was very close; they all have a bit of that angry insect, angular, pouncing predator look.

     I'd like to think that mg could deviate from the crowd and rise above it with a much more appealing, flowing Italian design, that's always been their forte.

     I don't think we've seen the best yet, mg has been holding their cards close, I think there's still a few aces to be played.

     I'm not in the market, and although I've always been partial to the faster red color, :laugh: that green bike really pops, with the Ohlins it would be a no brainer  :thumb: :evil:

     I hope they sell a ton of them.

     fwiw 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kirkemon on September 11, 2021, 05:21:30 PM
Have there been any specs posted for the V100 Mandello ?
Sorry if I have missed them.

https://jalopnik.com/moto-guzzi-is-celebrating-100-years-with-an-incredible-1847655574
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 11, 2021, 05:44:42 PM
Geez. I only just now noticed the headers out the side.

Also, whereas many a sport bike look like a bug,
And lots of ADV bikes look like a bird,
This one reminds me of an old Ray Harryhausen movie:


(https://i.ibb.co/dWYRcB3/0-CB68094-93-A1-4100-86-FB-3-C1-E22663770.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWYRcB3)

(https://i.ibb.co/T08NJ8d/E8-D4-DB77-0-E20-4-FE0-9-CAA-28243-EB7-DF89.webp) (https://ibb.co/T08NJ8d)


You’re welcome.

(Still like it)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on September 11, 2021, 06:23:56 PM
I'm surprisingly pleased . It's pretty, and has some unique features / gimmicks.

This bodes well in general considering this is the first bike out of the gate with the new drivetrain. Exciting stuff!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Beowulf on September 11, 2021, 06:27:52 PM
The more I look at this bike I like it. It’s beautiful and I’m willing to bet it handles beautifully. I hope it has a dry clutch ( anyone know for sure?) not a deal breaker but I could see myself buying one in a couple of years. I’m reminded of this.

https://raresportbikesforsale.com/racer-never-2004-moto-guzzi-mgs-01/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rschrum on September 11, 2021, 07:25:59 PM
First thing I would do is ceramic coat the exhaust silver. It would blend in with the engine. Can't wait for the V110. That would be the the Tuono v4 1100 turned sideways.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on September 11, 2021, 09:20:26 PM
I'm excited about this.  It looks pretty sporty, but look at the height of the handlebars, they know their audience.  Nothing about price yet, but I imagine you will need at least $13,000 to $15,000 to park it in your garage, then come the bags and other accessories.  The BMW 1250RS is the closest looking beemer to it and they are more like $20,000.00. So, just as the V85 series is a relative bargain for what you get, I hope they keep this machine priced right too.  This machine may actually have a shot of some conquest sales if it gets the press reception that the v85tt got and of course, if they can deliver the bikes.  Always a question with MG.

I have been moderately bike shopping lately, with the BMW R1250RS as a heavy contender.  It’s not cheap.  One of my complaints is at 136hp it seems a bit much.  This new Guzzi could be perfect.  Would like to see some luggage.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 11, 2021, 09:50:22 PM
Really really good youtube video from the press event with tons of closeup detail of the ride by wire, cruise, ohlins, wet clutch, etc etc etc

dang. looks better and better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od8nYRyN11s&t=107s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od8nYRyN11s&t=107s)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 11, 2021, 09:57:49 PM
this one is in italian, but shows a closeup of the illuminated dash.. including a 10k redline on the tach  :bike-037:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97DsTk1lo5I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97DsTk1lo5I)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: moto on September 11, 2021, 10:23:48 PM
Those headers look like they serve a second purpose of crash bars?

Agreed. A lot cheaper to replace than heads. And they're not even chromed, further reducing the cost.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 11, 2021, 10:29:41 PM
Agreed. A lot cheaper to replace than heads. And they're not even chromed, further reducing the cost.
Those black covers over the pipes would need chroming.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Smithy on September 11, 2021, 10:46:07 PM
If they do a gloss black like the 1400s with the subtle metallic finish and keep the gold rims I will get one. Set of bags...perfect.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Peter from Sch'dy on September 11, 2021, 11:59:34 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/7qVnYMJH/OQLI5243.jpg)
What is that in the test section? Looks Norgeish. Bagger for sure. Curious.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: gentlemanjim on September 12, 2021, 02:00:42 AM
This bike makes me proud I am a Guzzi fan.  You naysayers is why the marque has been stagnant for so long.  Holding on to traditions and style that please you and hold back the opportunity for growth and recognition of the brand.  The new V7, V85 and now the V100 bring Guzzi into the 21st century and can stand toe to toe with the likes of BMW and Ducati and others.  If you are proud of owning a Moto Guzzi whatever style embrace this one as Paiggio could have dumped the brand long ago.  And who'd you be blaming and crying about then?  I remember I heard here a MG rep talking to a group of MG traditionalist the red suspenders type complaining about product development and saying to them "You are the problem"  Always stuck in my mind.  If we are the problem then we need to support the solution.  Go buy a new Goose whatever style you like.  Nothing like sales to motivate a manufacturer to spend on product development.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 12, 2021, 02:42:50 AM
What is that in the test section? Looks Norgeish. Bagger for sure. Curious.

(https://www.cavallivapore.it/wp-content/gallery/moto-guzzi-open-house-visita/moto-guzzi-open-house-galleria-del-vento_4.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dogwalker on September 12, 2021, 03:36:33 AM
New engine started.

https://youtu.be/XLPwbhIySOY

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 12, 2021, 05:56:51 AM
sounds like a guzzi. one advantage of water cooling, at least in the past is that it tends to mask other engine sounds.  in doing this, some makers have been able to dial in a little additional exhaust note and still pass the aggregate noise test that governmental entities mandate. here's hoping.  i hope that with double overhead cams, this bike does not have the fighter jet whine from the valvetrain that so many modern bikes have. a friend used to have a triumph triple, tiger i think and coming at you, it sounded like a jet was approaching for all of the cam noise it made.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on September 12, 2021, 06:50:16 AM
The engine rocks when you twist the throttle! YEA!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: elrealistico on September 12, 2021, 07:48:39 AM
Welp, now there's a candidate for me for about 2-3 years for now. Perhaps some current Norge owners would upgrade and pass it down when no longer able to ride, or better yet gift their progeny (or progeny's progeny) with such a machine to do a tour ride with pop-pop or meemaw, as the case may be


(https://www.cavallivapore.it/wp-content/gallery/moto-guzzi-open-house-visita/moto-guzzi-open-house-galleria-del-vento_4.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 12, 2021, 08:06:41 AM
The engine rocks when you twist the throttle! YEA!
And in the same direction.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 12, 2021, 12:26:46 PM
Man oh man...why must they tempt me with a modern Norge competitor??  Ah...decisions decisions!

More room needed in the garage! :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 12, 2021, 01:04:17 PM
Here are a couple quick and crude mock-ups to consider:

Now that the engine is back to being a centerpiece, color treatments will not only stand out on their own, highlighting the curves and angles of the body, but that motor will once again really pop. Cheers to that:


(https://i.ibb.co/h110kjB/3-DA01026-8-A0-B-4362-A257-13-ECF0-D8-B5-D7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h110kjB)

(https://i.ibb.co/8g1zC4w/C10-C61-D0-D3-FB-4680-996-D-EA542-EF6272-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8g1zC4w)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on September 12, 2021, 01:40:06 PM
New engine started.

https://youtu.be/XLPwbhIySOY


Thanks, at least it runs for a minute. I am cautious on believing it's a real working motorcycle.

Bike in window is a 2V Norge bodywork.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzitenn on September 12, 2021, 02:06:45 PM
 I really think Moto Guzzi has done a smart job in product development lately. The new 850 V7, the V85tt, and now this V100. If had had the money I’d have all three, and now this V100 news has me waiting instead of buying a V7 850. I have a new plan , by a V85tt 2020 then trade it in for the new V100 , unless I love it too much. But man I’d go into debt for this one. Congrats MG you are getting serious attention from the motorcycle world. Read the comments on YouTube.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on September 12, 2021, 04:10:06 PM
I'm hoping they eventually introduce a LeMans Variant.

(https://i.ibb.co/8K1STfq/Moto-Guzzi-850-Le-Mans.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8K1STfq)


(https://i.ibb.co/g3DbkgQ/moto-guzzi-announces-new-factory-museum-and-v100-mandello-54.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g3DbkgQ)

I appreciate some of the styling making a nod to the past without being retro.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 12, 2021, 05:41:12 PM
Thanks, at least it runs for a minute. I am caucus on believing it's a real working motorcycle.

Bike in window is a 2V Norge bodywork.

We know it's not a wooden mock up motor a la Indian at one point in its complicated past.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on September 12, 2021, 05:46:58 PM
I'm hoping they eventually introduce a LeMans Variant.

(https://i.ibb.co/8K1STfq/Moto-Guzzi-850-Le-Mans.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8K1STfq)


(https://i.ibb.co/g3DbkgQ/moto-guzzi-announces-new-factory-museum-and-v100-mandello-54.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g3DbkgQ)

I appreciate some of the styling making a nod to the past without being retro.
When you look at the two bikes, is the large open space above the rear wheel on newer bikes a necessary thing or a styling thing? And is the lack of a front fender cause for concern with road debris flying up against the radiator and engine?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Seventy One on September 12, 2021, 05:51:42 PM
sounds like a guzzi. one advantage of water cooling, at least in the past is that it tends to mask other engine sounds.  in doing this, some makers have been able to dial in a little additional exhaust note and still pass the aggregate noise test that governmental entities mandate. here's hoping.  i hope that with double overhead cams, this bike does not have the fighter jet whine from the valvetrain that so many modern bikes have. a friend used to have a triumph triple, tiger i think and coming at you, it sounded like a jet was approaching for all of the cam noise it made.

My friends nicknamed my 800XC the "dust buster". I believe the noise came from the crank gear that transferred power to the transmission.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 12, 2021, 07:46:21 PM
When you look at the two bikes, is the large open space above the rear wheel on newer bikes a necessary thing or a styling thing? And is the lack of a front fender cause for concern with road debris flying up against the radiator and engine?

To a degree, there is a styling element, but...

Modern sporting bikes have a lot more suspension travel than vintage bikes.

4.5 to 6 inches travel on modern bikes vs 3 to 4 inches on vintage bikes.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 12, 2021, 08:31:58 PM
When you look at the two bikes, is the large open space above the rear wheel on newer bikes a necessary thing or a styling thing? And is the lack of a front fender cause for concern with road debris flying up against the radiator and engine?

No bike in recent memory had more - or uglier - rear tire gap than the Ducati GT1000...

(https://i.ibb.co/smvbrG8/Ducati-GT1000-06-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/smvbrG8)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 12, 2021, 09:04:53 PM
For some of those who think the double overhead cams and side exit exhaust ports are a new development, here is some reading.  From 20 years ago...

(https://www.fuoritraiettoria.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/va10-3-e1519997301365.jpg)

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2001/december/guzzi-enters-new-world/?fbclid=IwAR3VJDhR9BPwELsjeSlDHoXzcBf0S2RKKkE3YJleWg_E8O5MiLqmJrfFxUE


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fuoritraiettoria.com%2F2-ruote%2Fmoto-guzzi-va10-dm10-superbike-potenza-storia-caratteristiche%2F&prev=search&pto=aue&fbclid=IwAR09JIEiHNwfUoRbaQ5o9qnHtG1XostHJssqbkIgWlCN4jyGoWJO7cjQedk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 12, 2021, 09:08:38 PM
in regard to the rear clearance, also 17 inch wheels with much lower aspect ratios as compared to 18 or 19 inch wheels of the past.  I was at a vintage show today and saw a fine example of the Ducati sportclassic 1000.  That gap is really hard to digest for me.  Hopefully it sacks down when you are on it and doesn't look so severe.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on September 12, 2021, 10:37:42 PM
in regard to the rear clearance, also 17 inch wheels with much lower aspect ratios as compared to 18 or 19 inch wheels of the past.  I was at a vintage show today and saw a fine example of the Ducati sportclassic 1000.  That gap is really hard to digest for me.  Hopefully it sacks down when you are on it and doesn't look so severe.

YES, Can’t help but notice that ugly gap! Probably worst of all time on an otherwise classic bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 12, 2021, 10:40:17 PM
This bike makes me proud I am a Guzzi fan.  You naysayers is why the marque has been stagnant for so long.

Oh come on. The marque has been stagnant for so long because Piaggio’s corporate vision for it is lacking and they opted to shelve the Martini motor in 2014 instead of facing the reality of tightening Euro standards. They could have had a bike much like this to market in 2015. They could have had the Terblanche bikes to market in what, 2012 or so. For that matter, nothing forced them to cancel everything that was under development during Aprilia’s ownership.

They have dusted off this project because Euro 6 plus the embarrassment of facing the 100th anniversary without a new model. One last blast of v-twin fun before everything goes electric, I’m not complaining. (Won’t complain about electric either, the things will be rockets.) 

Quote
If we are the problem then we need to support the solution.  Go buy a new Goose whatever style you like.

That’s the problem though. What if they’re not making a style or even a size you like? This blame-the-consumer stuff is all the rage in media, I don’t want to see it take off in bike manufacturing too. Britain tried that in the 1960s. Look how that worked out. ("Harrumph! These poor foreign copies will never take off. People only want British motorcycles!" - same mentality.)

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Nothing like sales to motivate a manufacturer to spend on product development.

Amen to that, yeah. I will be holding off for a while for the expected 1200 or 1300 sports or sports/tourer but if it never happens, I’ll have one of these.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on September 12, 2021, 11:27:45 PM
For some of those who think the double overhead cams and side exit exhaust ports are a new development, here is some reading.  From 20 years ago...

(https://www.fuoritraiettoria.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/va10-3-e1519997301365.jpg)

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2001/december/guzzi-enters-new-world/?fbclid=IwAR3VJDhR9BPwELsjeSlDHoXzcBf0S2RKKkE3YJleWg_E8O5MiLqmJrfFxUE


https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fuoritraiettoria.com%2F2-ruote%2Fmoto-guzzi-va10-dm10-superbike-potenza-storia-caratteristiche%2F&prev=search&pto=aue&fbclid=IwAR09JIEiHNwfUoRbaQ5o9qnHtG1XostHJssqbkIgWlCN4jyGoWJO7cjQedk
The 'Pig' motor. Too bad they were broke at the time and sold to Aprilia. Things that could have been.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 12, 2021, 11:29:52 PM
Moto Guzzi must think highly of this model as well to make it their 100th anniversary model

It’s the 100th anniversary model because it’s being launched for the 100th anniversary - there isn’t exactly a backup option, haha. I hope they do have good reasons to think highly of it.

Added a bit of roundness, and some smoother flowing lines to the overall design like MV Agusta attempted recently with one of their retro models.

I came so close to giving up and just buying a Superveloce, they are gorgeous. If it wasn’t for the insane high revs there’d be one in my shed now. I can’t recall what kind of torque it makes but my muscle memory is calibrated for buckets of it, haha.

Quote
So far I've seen photo comparisons with 5-6 other brands that are all very similar in overall design, ie Ducati, Bmw, Honda, Suzuki, the Kawi comparison especially, was very close; they all have a bit of that angry insect, angular, pouncing predator look.

Lots of people noting a bit of ADV in there too. I don’t love the wide front.

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I don't think we've seen the best yet, mg has been holding their cards close, I think there's still a few aces to be played.

Yes.

I hope it has a dry clutch ( anyone know for sure?)

Wet multiplate counter-rotating.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Muzz on September 12, 2021, 11:40:49 PM
Funny, I compare the styling of my 2003 red 750 Breva and the new V100.
Very similar styling, probably why I like it. :thumb:

For those that say " it looks like.......", which one of those ............. have the motor configuration that the Guzzi has?  A major point of difference.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 13, 2021, 05:19:19 AM
in regard to the rear clearance, also 17 inch wheels with much lower aspect ratios as compared to 18 or 19 inch wheels of the past.  I was at a vintage show today and saw a fine example of the Ducati sportclassic 1000.  That gap is really hard to digest for me.  Hopefully it sacks down when you are on it and doesn't look so severe.

The gap pictured is the result of a fairly crude photoshop, I do not understand people's obsession with this or why a bike with its arse dragging on the ground is desirable from an aesthetics or engineering point of view.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 13, 2021, 05:43:22 AM
how much does it weigh????

I'm going to guess 520#, or about the same as the R1200RS which it is obviously targeted against.s
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 13, 2021, 09:07:43 AM
Apologies if someone else brought this up but there appears to be no CARC-like floating final drive. Or am I missing something (again)?  :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on September 13, 2021, 09:40:13 AM
Apologies if someone else brought this up but there appears be no CARC-like floating final drive. Or am I missing something (again)?  :grin:

With Guzzi engine/gearbox packages getting shorter, Piaggio has apparently figured out that a long swing arm works well enough.  The same is true for the V85TT and riding mine I detect no ‘jacking’ like you’d feel on an older Guzzi or BMW.  Other shaft driven bikes like inline four cylinder Hondas (700 Nighthawk being one example) have taken the same approach.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 13, 2021, 09:51:58 AM
With Guzzi engine/gearbox packages getting shorter, Piaggio has apparently figured out that a long swing arm works well enough.  The same is true for the V85TT and riding mine I detect no ‘jacking’ like you’d feel on an older Guzzi or BMW.  Other shaft driven bikes like inline four cylinder Hondas (700 Nighthawk being one example) have taken the same approach.

Something about 70hp vs 120hp People have suggested its internal, massive fail if they've decided to skip it IMO.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: NorthfieldV11Sport on September 13, 2021, 10:46:41 AM
This is almost exactly the bike that I was hoping MG would develop.  My V11 Sport's ergonomics are a little too extreme in my old age and it pretty much rules out any serious touring.  This looks like a perfect solution and I will definitely be in the queue to lay down the cash for this spectaular motorcycle.  It makes me proud that I have remained loyal to Moto Guzzi for 44 years... 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antiquar on September 13, 2021, 11:10:57 AM
I'd prefer a model with less plastic but this might be the first new bike I will buy since 2013.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on September 13, 2021, 11:14:07 AM
This also means all Tech's have to go to class usually in CA at warranty headquarters costing dealers who want to stay currant and receive the new model. No class no new models is how it works.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 13, 2021, 11:27:03 AM
The gap pictured is the result of a fairly crude photoshop, I do not understand people's obsession with this or why a bike with its arse dragging on the ground is desirable from an aesthetics or engineering point of view.

Even laden, the GT1000's rear fender gap was on the extreme side, thanks to designer Pierre Terblanche.

(https://1wheeldriveblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ducati_2007_gt1000_1.jpg?w=2000&h=)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 13, 2021, 11:53:16 AM
The Paul Smart version looks better with the high pipes. The stock version hides more of that gap but the left side is completely open.

(https://iconicmotorbikeauctions.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Ducati-Paul-Smart-Right-Side-X3.jpg)

(https://images2.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2017-12/19/24705722-3-21.jpg&width=640&height=480&autosizefit=1)

Sorry I never bought one when they were new.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on September 13, 2021, 12:07:36 PM
That's actually 2 bikes I consider as serious Breva750 replacements for me; the V7 850 with hard luggage, and the V100 with hard luggage (HB by preference). It took from 2004 when I bought my first B750 until the 850s came out for me to think a fair dinkum worthwhile upgrade had been produced. Now there's an upgrade x 10, but I wonder if my short legs will handle it, or my bank balance (lets be honest - loan repayments) can stand it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rusty rotor on September 13, 2021, 12:53:56 PM
Do they come with a tool kit?

Do they come with replacement valve trains?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 13, 2021, 01:22:42 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/7qVnYMJH/OQLI5243.jpg)

Wind tunnel testing to see how it handles strong cross winds?    :grin:

Seriously, though, I really like what I'm seeing in this new platform, and exciting to see the whole range when it eventually comes out.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 13, 2021, 03:31:45 PM
Even laden, the GT1000's rear fender gap was on the extreme side, thanks to designer Pierre Terblanche.

(https://1wheeldriveblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ducati_2007_gt1000_1.jpg?w=2000&h=)

As this matters because? I like suspension travel and lower unsprung weights.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on September 13, 2021, 04:50:57 PM
Well halleluiah!! I've been patiently waiting for this for a LONG time. I find it to be the natural evolution from:

This:


(https://i.ibb.co/DVLhXR6/100-2629.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DVLhXR6)

dice multiplayer (https://freeonlinedice.com/)
 

To this:


(https://i.ibb.co/gFdJGSW/125857790-25ecce58-368d-46c1-a9f1-75156ed63eed.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gFdJGSW)


Over the years I've tried the various California variants (owned two) and the adventurers and ultimately the don't work for me, neither aesthetically nor ergonomically. My SP still, with a few modifications, works better for me than any Guzzi to date. I just can't be comfortable in the upright seating position of a cruiser or adv. bike but I can go for hours with a slight forward lean, and some weight on my hands and shoulders, and my feet under my  hips. This distributes across my butt and upper thighs and eliminates the compression on my spine.

I'm really excited about this new bike and will be calling my "local" dealer tomorrow to talk about putting down a deposit! I've got double hip replacements coming up early in 2022 so I'm hoping one will be waiting for me when I'm ready to ride again. Maybe wishful thinking but I've waited this long, I can wait a little longer. at least I'll have something to help occupy recovery time.

Steve M
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: flower_king001 on September 13, 2021, 07:02:49 PM
center stand?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 13, 2021, 08:05:54 PM
As this matters because? I like suspension travel and lower unsprung weights.

We both know Terblanche screwed the pooch with the rear styling on the bike.  You could remove the springs from the shocks, bottom them out, and still run a herd of cats through the gap between the fender and tire.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 13, 2021, 08:10:11 PM
We both know Terblanche screwed the pooch with the rear styling on the bike.  You could remove the springs from the shocks, bottom them out, and still run a herd of cats through the gap between the fender and tire.

You're jones'n for it.  Admit it.    :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzziboy66 on September 13, 2021, 08:25:51 PM
I notice this morning that the more I see it, the more I like it.

Of course I thought my Breva was all kinds of ugly, at first.

And I thought the GRiSO was ugly when I first saw it...  Eventually I came to my senses!

Eric
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on September 13, 2021, 08:37:20 PM
Back in the early '90's ('93 IIRC), Dodge redesigned their light truck line. I read the early reviews and previews and it was an almost 50/50 "love it!/hate it!" ratio from the public and the automotive press.
Someone interviewed one of the company's designers/engineers and asked what Dodge was going to do about the naysayers. The reply was "Nothing! We are very happy with the strong reaction.  The worst thing that could happen would be indifference!"
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 13, 2021, 08:39:44 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/cwb0RPL/1967-d100-jpg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cwb0RPL)


Dodge
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on September 13, 2021, 09:19:07 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/cwb0RPL/1967-d100-jpg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cwb0RPL)


Dodge
Wow now you have my attention LR, I’m a dodge boy from back to the 60s! That’s one beautiful pickup, IMHO👍
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 13, 2021, 09:34:35 PM
Dan, you're a smart man.    :police:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on September 13, 2021, 10:52:02 PM
That looks like a'71. Other than Mopars I love Studebakers. Always go with the unusual underdogs, guess that is why I am here. However Mopars have gotten quite good and are everywhere now. I live in a small town and new Challengers pop up all the time.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 14, 2021, 12:06:18 AM
That looks like a'71. Other than Mopars I love Studebakers. Always go with the unusual underdogs, guess that is why I am here. However Mopars have gotten quite good and are everywhere now. I live in a small town and new Challengers pop up all the time.
kk

1967


OTOH


(https://i.ibb.co/N9sDYSQ/IMG-4138-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N9sDYSQ)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 14, 2021, 02:54:07 AM
You're jones'n for it.  Admit it.    :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

I've had one since 2013. Red Sport 1000 monoposto. It’s a joy to ride when its working but it mostly isn’t, haha. Grey import from Japan which had some issues. I’ve probably had it on the road about a third of the time I’ve owned it. Hopefully mine isn't representative but if it is...don't jones for one, hahaha
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on September 14, 2021, 04:24:03 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/cwb0RPL/1967-d100-jpg.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cwb0RPL)


Dodge

Nice one!!  Im in the process of rebuilding a 74 powerwagon that has been in the family since 76. 20K miles, but been sitting since 89.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 14, 2021, 07:07:11 AM
I guess the conversations surrounding the new V100 have gotten stale and now have migrated to ugly truck posts.   :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: chuck peterson on September 14, 2021, 07:14:29 AM
Without


(https://i.ibb.co/KbWRY1N/7-BD6603-E-90-C3-4-FCD-A518-EF9-B4-BA44-AAD.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KbWRY1N)

(https://i.ibb.co/v3Dxkz7/851-D39-F8-08-FE-4632-B65-B-FC6713-B7-B05-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/v3Dxkz7)


With bags


(https://i.ibb.co/0yyTpB0/07-D61-F73-FA05-4-F7-A-AEBF-D18-BBF186398.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0yyTpB0)


😳
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on September 14, 2021, 08:22:23 AM
I guess the conversations surrounding the new V100 have gotten stale and now have migrated to ugly truck posts.   :boozing:
TWA, if you have some newly or more recent discovery of information involving  the new V100 feel free to redirect the threads conversation. 👍

Dan
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 14, 2021, 08:35:52 AM
Back in the early '90's ('93 IIRC), Dodge redesigned their light truck line. I read the early reviews and previews and it was an almost 50/50 "love it!/hate it!" ratio from the public and the automotive press.
Someone interviewed one of the company's designers/engineers and asked what Dodge was going to do about the naysayers. The reply was "Nothing! We are very happy with the strong reaction.  The worst thing that could happen would be indifference!"

Model Year 1994.  Most inspired truck design in decades!  Dodge had been barely hanging in with a 20 year old truck design kept relevant with the Cummins diesel option.  Then, they introduced the 1994 line of Ram Trucks and in short order were making significant inroads into the Ford and GM customer base.

https://www.drivingline.com/articles/the-1994-dodge-ram-revolution-changed-pickup-trucks-forever/


(https://i.ibb.co/nP2myd9/dodge-ram-1994-pictures-4-1280x960.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nP2myd9)

how to download images off instagram (https://500pxdownload.com/)


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on September 14, 2021, 08:49:19 AM
Model Year 1994.  Most inspired truck design in decades!  Dodge had been barely hanging in with a 20 year old truck design kept relevant with the Cummins diesel option.  Then, they introduced the 1994 line of Ram Trucks and in short order were making significant inroads into the Ford and GM customer base.

https://www.drivingline.com/articles/the-1994-dodge-ram-revolution-changed-pickup-trucks-forever/


(https://i.ibb.co/nP2myd9/dodge-ram-1994-pictures-4-1280x960.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nP2myd9)

how to download images off instagram (https://500pxdownload.com/)


So… Are we thinking that the new V100 is like the 1994 Ram truck??? A breakthrough design? I thought it looked more like an Italian supermodel!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 14, 2021, 08:55:52 AM
So… Are we thinking that the new V100 is like the 1994 Ram truck??? A breakthrough design? I thought it looked more like an Italian supermodel!

Well, the execution is good.  Now, about the follow through! 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 14, 2021, 10:21:29 AM

and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on September 14, 2021, 10:35:03 AM
1967


OTOH


(https://i.ibb.co/N9sDYSQ/IMG-4138-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N9sDYSQ)

Not intentionally trying to keep the hijack going but I don't know what I was thinking definitely not a '71. An employee had a '71. Anyway I hope this new Mandello is like the '94 Dodge a whole new direction for MG. I have wished for a lower road going version of the V85. New hope, a comfortable version of this new bike. My old body can't do café style or adventure bikes anymore.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 14, 2021, 10:37:02 AM
and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)


Specs on this thing are crazy, and they finally fixed the speed triple's biggest downfall-- ugly bug styling! I love the round headlight, kinda reminds me of that MV Agusta
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on September 14, 2021, 11:32:39 AM
Yes indeed!
Gorgeous bike, that Triumph.

But I remain hopeful that the new V100's engine will be mated to a beautiful (to me) exterior in the near future.

Cheers,
D.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 14, 2021, 11:36:16 AM
and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)


That Speed Triple is very cool.  It looks like a committed riding position. 

Strange, the most upright ST has the least wind protection.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 14, 2021, 12:04:34 PM
Higher res pics, click to enlarge


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/Gx908/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---side-left-green.jpg)


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/jbX71/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---front-right-green.jpg)


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/RGmyw/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---side-right.jpg)


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/VP3L7/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---front-left.jpg)


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/4yjv1/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---front-right.jpg)





I am buying a green one for sure
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 14, 2021, 12:27:28 PM
Higher res pics, click to enlarge


(https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/Gx908/s1/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello---side-left-green.jpg)

I am buying a green one for sure

No Guzzi in years has motivated me like this V100.  I'm really anxious to see it at EICMA and watch the ride reports that will be popping up on YouTube after the EICMA show in November!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on September 14, 2021, 12:47:19 PM
Same with me Rocker. The 750s were nice, and the 850s even better, but no bike has really made me want to sell my Breva 750, not REALLY...until this one came along. Might be too tall for me - oh well.

I think the styling is pretty much perfect. But of course that subjective. I think the Standard Libelle is the most beautiful aircraft ever made, and the finest ever looking car? Dick Johnsons XE Falcon at Bathurst. Or maybe an Alfa 1750......
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 14, 2021, 01:39:50 PM
No Guzzi in years has motivated me like this V100.  I'm really anxious to see it at EICMA and watch the ride reports that will be popping up on YouTube after the EICMA show in November!

I'm sold...  They added a dealer under 2hrs from me, if it is a flop I will lemon law it...  But I'm placing a deposit Nov 24th and I'm buying a green one as soon as I can get my hands on it.  I think we are going to see the first real fruits of aprillia's ownership with this one.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 14, 2021, 01:44:31 PM
I'm sold...  They added a dealer under 2hrs from me, if it is a flop I will lemon law it...  But I'm placing a deposit Nov 24th and I'm buying a green one as soon as I can get my hands on it.  I think we are going to see the first real fruits of aprillia's ownership with this one.

And here I thought you were more of classic looks type... or is this classic-looking enough for ya?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzistaracing on September 14, 2021, 01:53:31 PM
In all the posts about the new V100 I am missing the technical discussions. With the new wet multi plate clutch will it be a more rev willing engine? What about the exceedingly(Looks like it to me) long swing arm? Will it give the bike quick handling and at the same time the stability Guzzi is famed for? What about the lack of a torque arm on the swing arm? Have they solved the problem without any? What will the new interesting engine splitting mean for overhaul? Easier or harder? Now I sit back and get at beer! :boozing: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 14, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
In all the posts about the new V100 I am missing the technical discussions. With the new wet multi plate clutch will it be a more rev willing engine? What about the exceedingly(Looks like it to me) long swing arm? Will it give the bike quick handling and at the same time the stability Guzzi is famed for? What about the lack of a torque arm on the swing arm? Have they solved the problem without any? What will the new interesting engine splitting mean for overhaul? Easier or harder? Now I sit back and get at beer! :boozing: :popcorn:

See Post Reply# 195 by Tusayan.

Yes, swingarm looks long but in the official promo video where the eagle lands on the rider's hand the bike appears to have a short wheelbase.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 14, 2021, 02:08:14 PM
Many here have probably observed quicker than I how the intake port location on the heads allow the cylinder heads to really hug the trellis frame, whereas previous iterations are forced to leave space for the intake manifold to branch out from the airbox.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 14, 2021, 02:41:48 PM
Same with me Rocker. The 750s were nice, and the 850s even better, but no bike has really made me want to sell my Breva 750, not REALLY...until this one came along. Might be too tall for me - oh well.

I think the styling is pretty much perfect. But of course that subjective. I think the Standard Libelle is the most beautiful aircraft ever made, and the finest ever looking car? Dick Johnsons XE Falcon at Bathurst. Or maybe an Alfa 1750......
Have you flown a Libelle ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 14, 2021, 03:26:42 PM
In all the posts about the new V100 I am missing the technical discussions. With the new wet multi plate clutch will it be a more rev willing engine?

in the youtube video above, you can see the dash displays a 10k redline. taking that huge flywheel off the crankshaft has got to help! More importantly looks like easy access bye bye frame crabbing. Also to your other point, taking the clutch out of line with the engine has to help tighten up that wheelbase.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 14, 2021, 04:15:50 PM
Hey, where's Oberdan Bezzi's mashup of MGS01 bodywork with the new 4 cam motor?  :rolleyes: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 14, 2021, 04:40:07 PM
I’m  a bit drunk on t excitement too.
I’m not a fan of liquid cooled motorcycles, but this, well I might get comfortable with it!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 5154guzzi on September 14, 2021, 05:15:33 PM
1939....



(https://i.ibb.co/YjwHGH3/Guzzi-1939.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YjwHGH3)

upload pictures to facebook (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on September 14, 2021, 05:45:48 PM
1939....



(https://i.ibb.co/YjwHGH3/Guzzi-1939.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YjwHGH3)

upload pictures to facebook (https://imgbb.com/)


 :grin: Right. I mentioned it on another forum. Designed in '34..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 14, 2021, 06:38:07 PM
See Post Reply# 195 by Tusayan.

Yes, swingarm looks long but in the official promo video where the eagle lands on the rider's hand the bike appears to have a short wheelbase.

it is substantially shorter than the griso for example

I lined up the images to check!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Knuckle Dragger on September 14, 2021, 10:24:28 PM
It seems that many here have already analysed all available media, carefully scrutinising every single hypothetical, speculative and even imagined nuance, literally pixel by pixel.  The verdict is?  Fairly evenly split it seems.
Personally I like it.  A bold new/retro direction from Piaggio that seems likely to propel the Marque into another century of manufacture.
You can't please all the people all the time.....
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 14, 2021, 10:53:26 PM
and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)


Wow. Triumph throwing down the gauntlet there!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 14, 2021, 11:13:38 PM
Hey, where's Oberdan Bezzi's mashup of MGS01 bodywork with the new 4 cam motor?  :rolleyes: :popcorn:

Yes please. :tongue: I've seen pics of a Moto Morini wearing MGS-01 bodywork. And it looks great! So if that can work...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 14, 2021, 11:35:54 PM
What about the lack of a torque arm on the swing arm? Have they solved the problem without any?

There's been quite a bit of talk about that. There's no answers yet, just fans hoping that the length of the arm reduces the problem. Same for the cantilever shock.

Quote
What will the new interesting engine splitting mean for overhaul? Easier or harder? Now I sit back and get at beer! :boozing: :popcorn:

I haven't seen anyone bring this up; I am wondering too! Also the tilt. It's a really compact engine but they have stuck with the forward tilt from the Martini days, for legroom as then I guess.

Is the tilt still 8 degrees as on the Martini project? Martini wanted more, and it looks now like maybe they did get more in the end?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AH Fan on September 14, 2021, 11:44:57 PM
Wow. Triumph throwing down the gauntlet there!

now everyone's at it.    :grin:

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on September 15, 2021, 12:08:02 AM
The Triumph Speed Triple RR is not a Guzzi competitor, They've been teasing that thing for months. 1200cc 177HP Bonkers Rocket. Triumph hasn't had a big bore sportbike since 2006.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 15, 2021, 01:41:09 AM
Sure. I didn't mean they threw it at Guzzi, haha. At those numbers it's not even a Superveloce competitor. Bonkers is the word!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 15, 2021, 04:52:58 AM
There's been quite a bit of talk about that. There's no answers yet, just fans hoping that the length of the arm reduces the problem. Same for the cantilever shock.

I haven't seen anyone bring this up; I am wondering too! Also the tilt. It's a really compact engine but they have stuck with the forward tilt from the Martini days, for legroom as then I guess.

Is the tilt still 8 degrees as on the Martini project? Martini wanted more, and it looks now like maybe they did get more in the end?

Most modern motorcycle motors with maintenance and a timing chain or two will easily exceed 100 000miles.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on September 15, 2021, 06:23:21 AM
It seems that many here have already analysed all available media, carefully scrutinising every single hypothetical, speculative and even imagined nuance, literally pixel by pixel.  The verdict is?  Fairly evenly split it seems.
Personally I like it.  A bold new/retro direction from Piaggio that seems likely to propel the Marque into another century of manufacture.
You can't please all the people all the time.....

I didn’t count the yeas vs nays, but it seems to me more like it than not, even if it’s not quite their riding style. Regardless, you’re right—not everyone can be pleased, especially curmudgeons  stuck in the past :D
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Peter from Sch'dy on September 15, 2021, 08:07:40 AM
Don't know if this has been mentioned but looks to me that the cylinders are part of the upper crankcase. Perhaps to stiffen the engine unit as a load bearing lump.
Best,
Peter
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: moto on September 15, 2021, 10:16:54 AM
it is substantially shorter than the griso for example

I lined up the images to check!!

How did you establish a common scale to do this? Wheels? Tires?...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 15, 2021, 10:33:23 AM
and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)


OMG, that is beautiful!
I definitely don't need 180 HP on the street (or even on the track for that matter).    I'll stick with my Thruxton R.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: NorthfieldV11Sport on September 15, 2021, 10:39:10 AM
A motorcycle with 3 cylinders is simply WRONG!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on September 15, 2021, 10:47:33 AM
Sure. I didn't mean they threw it at Guzzi, haha. At those numbers it's not even a Superveloce competitor. Bonkers is the word!

HP and torque aren't far off a Hyabusa, but, it weighs about 100# less!
Bonkers indeed!

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 15, 2021, 11:41:13 AM
it is substantially shorter than the griso for example

I lined up the images to check!!

Keep in mind the Griso's wheelbase was rather rangy for a sporty standard:  Griso wheelbase = 61.0 inches (1471 mm)

To compare:

California EV wheelbase = 61.4 inches  (1560 mm)
V11 LeMans wheelbase = 58.70 inches  (1,490 mm)
Sport 1100 wheelbase =  58.07 inches (1475 mm)
V11 Sport wheelbase = 57.9 inches (1471 mm)
V7 Classic wheelbase = 57.0 inches   (1449 mm)
MGS-01 wheelbase = 56.2 inches   (1428 mm)

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on September 15, 2021, 11:52:42 AM
and then Hinkley revealed this:


(https://i.ibb.co/vVJDxyP/241806423-4816455671712691-3384824610257643667-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVJDxyP)


I would love if they can make this style of fairing on the new Trident or even the lower CC street triple...oh I am a sucker for bullet one-eye monster fairing...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 15, 2021, 12:25:53 PM
Keep in mind the Griso's wheelbase was rather rangy for a sporty standard:  Griso wheelbase = 61.0 inches (1471 mm)

To compare:

California EV wheelbase = 61.4 inches  (1560 mm)
V11 LeMans wheelbase = 58.70 inches  (1,490 mm)
Sport 1100 wheelbase =  58.07 inches (1475 mm)
V11 Sport wheelbase = 57.9 inches (1471 mm)
V7 Classic wheelbase = 57.0 inches   (1449 mm)
MGS-01 wheelbase = 56.2 inches   (1428 mm)

My WAG puts the V100 Mandello's wheelbase between 56 and 57 inches.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on September 15, 2021, 03:06:31 PM
A motorcycle with 3 cylinders is simply WRONG!!

Not when you hear the Moto2 pack go by you at full song...IMHO they sound MUCH better than the MotoGP bikes!

And certainly not when you throw a leg over a street Triumph Triple and crack the throttle. It's a fantastic machine, for sure.  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on September 15, 2021, 03:31:29 PM
I could totally imagine Guzzi doing a V3 'their way'.

... lying flat, for example - Zylinders pocking out to sides and front ;)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 15, 2021, 04:06:53 PM
yeah, 56 -57 inches

I compare it to the griso because a- I've got one and b- excluding the MGS-01, it's the fastest guzzi to date so I guess it's gonna be the V100s nearest competitor...

shorter wheelbase, lighter and more power, that sounds good to me!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dean Rose on September 15, 2021, 05:24:15 PM
Another Centauro

Dean
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: davevv on September 15, 2021, 05:39:30 PM
I like it a lot in either color.  A Motus was the only bike I ever ordered before it was officially released.  This may be the second, and probably in red.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 15, 2021, 09:39:13 PM
I like triples, although I've never owned one.  The seem combine the best of both 2 & 4 cyl bikes (for torque, power, revving, sound) and are extremely smooth.

I'd consider one of those if the clip-ons were a little higher.  If I sit on one and find it's more comfy, then I might have an interest.  I'm a little like Goldilocks, not too cruiser-ish, not too racer-ish. 

I don't need a 160HP   :evil:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bottler on September 15, 2021, 09:47:02 PM
Not when you hear the Moto2 pack go by you at full song...IMHO they sound MUCH better than the MotoGP bikes!

And certainly not when you throw a leg over a street Triumph Triple and crack the throttle. It's a fantastic machine, for sure.  :thumb:

And most definitely not when I take my Laverda Jota out for a run.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on September 16, 2021, 07:54:39 AM
I am very interested, I would like a bike lighter than my Audace but more "substantial " than my V7lll. I've been hoping for a lower street going version of the V85 but the V100 set up right would fit the bill I believe. Also I would not be afraid to order an unseen bike, I did that when the R75/5 was announced. It had a couple of problems, nothing too major, carbs and stator which were fixed promptly. I am really looking forward to this new bike and believe it's the correct way for MG to go. Don't need to be too radical and tromp on Aprilia's turf nor get stuck in a rut. The V85 was a good move to get out of that rut and MG needs to stay on that path, IMO.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 16, 2021, 07:56:06 AM
I will wait and reserve final judgement until I see the bike in person and see all the specs and what it will cost with aerodynamic hard bags. 

I would love to have a Tracer 700 equipped with the suspension, and electronics that come on the Tracer 900, but that will never happen, which means this new V100 would be a direct competitor to the Tracer 900.

It would have to be very competitive in price and specs to win me over.  The shaft drive giving it the edge.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 16, 2021, 09:19:38 AM
I like triples, although I've never owned one.  The seem combine the best of both 2 & 4 cyl bikes (for torque, power, revving, sound) and are extremely smooth.

I'd consider one of those if the clip-ons were a little higher.  If I sit on one and find it's more comfy, then I might have an interest.  I'm a little like Goldilocks, not too cruiser-ish, not too racer-ish. 

I don't need a 160HP   :evil:

unless you are dying for a triple, sounds like the Speed Twin would scratch your itch.. 1200cc & most likely faster than a thruxton (at least the 2020-2021)... but the size of a V7 and with classic looks.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 16, 2021, 10:01:26 AM
I like triples, although I've never owned one.  The seem combine the best of both 2 & 4 cyl bikes (for torque, power, revving, sound) and are extremely smooth.

I'd consider one of those if the clip-ons were a little higher.  If I sit on one and find it's more comfy, then I might have an interest.  I'm a little like Goldilocks, not too cruiser-ish, not too racer-ish. 

I don't need a 160HP   :evil:

My first bike was a Yamaha XS750 triple with shaft drive.  Reminiscing on that bike is what led me to purchase the 2010 V7 Cafe Classic because it was 750cc and shaft drive. 

My next triple was the 2014 Triumph Trophy SE.

I've owned 3 I-4 bikes, but not really a fan.  Thumpers, Twins of various configurations are my favorites.  The triples are a good compromise.   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 16, 2021, 11:31:13 AM
i thought the Trophy SE was one of the very best motorcycles I've ever ridden.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 16, 2021, 12:06:15 PM
unless you are dying for a triple, sounds like the Speed Twin would scratch your itch.. 1200cc & most likely faster than a thruxton (at least the 2020-2021)... but the size of a V7 and with classic looks.

I'll keep my Ducati, thanks.   Speed Triple with a fairing might be a good one if it had less aggressive ergos and a bag option.   But I'm not interested in any another Triumph to replace my Duc.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 16, 2021, 12:12:11 PM
My first bike was a Yamaha XS750 triple with shaft drive.  Reminiscing on that bike is what led me to purchase the 2010 V7 Cafe Classic because it was 750cc and shaft drive. 

My next triple was the 2014 Triumph Trophy SE.

I've owned 3 I-4 bikes, but not really a fan.  Thumpers, Twins of various configurations are my favorites.  The triples are a good compromise.

I thought that Yamaha was one of the smoothest bikes I've ever ridden. 

I'm also very interested in a touring bike, I've ridden the Trophy, it has lots going on.  Unfortunately I rode one with lowered seat and was concerned about cramped legroom.  Too bad they're not in production although I only purchase used anymore.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 16, 2021, 01:21:06 PM
i thought the Trophy SE was one of the very best motorcycles I've ever ridden.

I regret parting with it the way I did.  The only negative about the motorcycle was the weather protection.  Might as well have been in a car with no air conditioning with the windows rolled up in July.  LOL!

At the time I had two bikes that had way too much weather protection, and my dealer lost triumph and any ability to do warranty work or diagnostics so I was on my own.

I should have traded my Road Glide Ultra for a Road Glide Special, or a Road King, but instead I traded the Trophy SE for a Road King because that dealer made me an offer I couldn't refuse. 

Definitely the most agile sport touring bike I have ever owned and could eat up the miles.  I toured 18 states and the Canadian side of the Great Lakes on that bike.  The electronic suspension settings ruined me for almost every bike to follow ended up requiring suspension upgrades.  Once you have experienced great suspension and adjustability everything else is a compromise.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on September 16, 2021, 06:44:47 PM
Hey John (LowRyter),

What Ducati do you own that has you so satisfied, ST by any chance?

SM
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 16, 2021, 09:05:21 PM
Hey John (LowRyter),

What Ducati do you own that has you so satisfied, ST by any chance?

SM

(https://g3.img-dpreview.com/70F3A0724B7A4AD08C5FF66D9DFC7573.jpg)

SS  939
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: stubbie on September 16, 2021, 09:31:12 PM
Have never ridden a Speed Triple but there seems to be a lot for sale in this part of the world. Every bike shop seems to have a least 1, many have 2 that are usually no more than 4 years old. Not sure if that's a good indicator of what they are like.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 16, 2021, 09:58:58 PM
Have never ridden a Speed Triple but there seems to be a lot for sale in this part of the world. Every bike shop seems to have a least 1, many have 2 that are usually no more than 4 years old. Not sure if that's a good indicator of what they are like.

As I've said, they have a strange riding position.  The older ones have good power, the newer ones have more power.   Little air protection.  Originally, wild styling and now... OK. 

Nice bikes, never turned my crank- until I saw this new one.  I think it rocks but then an even more aggressive riding position.    :embarrassed:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on September 17, 2021, 01:06:04 PM
I thought it was a foregone conclusion that it was 1000 cc.....(hope it is).

No tellin with this bunch, after all they did name an 850 V7.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 17, 2021, 01:47:32 PM
No tellin with this bunch, after all they did name an 850 V7.
I reckon I saw in one of the release that it’s 1000 cc.
(https://i.ibb.co/gMPyTkP/20-E85217-9-EA9-4-C60-A359-660383-BDBCDA.png) (https://ibb.co/gMPyTkP)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SIR REAL ED on September 18, 2021, 05:00:42 PM
glad they didn't call it the ManJello.....or the Mandible.....

https://www.ktmforums.com/threads/new-2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello.137909/

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 19, 2021, 11:43:36 PM
glad they didn't call it the ManJello.....or the Mandible.....

https://www.ktmforums.com/threads/new-2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello.137909/

You have to have a membership; I have enough of those to last a lifetime.  :laugh: Just another discussion thread or is there any unique info?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SIR REAL ED on September 20, 2021, 05:55:14 AM
You have to have a membership; I have enough of those to last a lifetime.  :laugh: Just another discussion thread or is there any unique info?

Oooops, didn't notice that!

No useful information, just a nice picture I had not seen before, but PJPRO1 already posted it at the start of page 2 of this thread.

they also could have called it the Manicotti!  Which my Italian relatives insist on pronouncing as Man-i-gott!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kremmen on September 20, 2021, 09:50:28 AM
Haha! Thanks.

I'll hold off for a sportier v120 or v130 for now. But if that ends up not happening, a Mandello will be part of my stable for sure. I like the name a lot - I think they nailed it with that!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: moto on September 20, 2021, 01:16:17 PM
Don't forget, it's:

"man-dale-lo," not "man-dell-o"!

All self-respecting Guzzisti who say "goot-sie" will henceforth be required to pronounce the new bike's name come un italiano.

You've been warned. :evil:

Moto

P.S. Though I meant the above in fun, I remember a conversation with two card-carrying Ph.D. academics from upper class families in Milano in which I kept trying to tell them about a town they had never heard of called "Man-dell'-o dell laur'-ee-oh" on Lake Como. Though I used the preferred American procedure for making myself understood to foreigners by repeating the same syllables ever more slowly and with increasing volume, I had no luck. Now I wonder if it was my pronunciation, since Mandello is less than 50 miles from Milan.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 26, 2021, 10:03:59 AM
ok boys, money where your mouth is time.....  I just placed a deposit on a new 2022 V100 Mandello Centenario edition to put me first in line with the NC dealer (Team Charlotte)

Hoping to have the first one off the boat, or damn near it.

Any guesses when I will take delivery?  I say by end of May 2022, I have nothing to base that off of!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 26, 2021, 10:55:37 AM
good drills!

I'm gonna wait for some specs at least!!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 26, 2021, 12:31:29 PM
ok boys, money where your mouth is time.....  I just placed a deposit on a new 2022 V100 Mandello Centenario edition to put me first in line with the NC dealer (Team Charlotte)


Did they have the MSRP info, yet? 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on September 26, 2021, 01:38:41 PM
I tried to put down a deposit at my nearest dealer, Seacoast sport cycle in NH but they wouldn't take one yet since they had no pricing nor delivery info yet. I'm on a list for a call when they have more.
Steve M
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 27, 2021, 04:56:39 AM
Did they have the MSRP info, yet?

It cant be more than a couple grand over the cost of a v85...  I dont really care, you gotta pay to play, right?  Big question is if the Centenario green one really wears that fully active Ohlins, 'plain' Ohlins, or some other sort of upgraded suspenders on release
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 27, 2021, 05:03:59 AM
I tried to put down a deposit at my nearest dealer, Seacoast sport cycle in NH but they wouldn't take one yet since they had no pricing nor delivery info yet. I'm on a list for a call when they have more.
Steve M

Thats what the first two dealers I called told me. Team Charlotte is my closest dealer, but I called them third based on a minor fumble they made with me a while back.. Nothing egregious. If I need warranty support, I would probably take it to them, so might as well buy the bike there.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 27, 2021, 08:09:17 AM
It cant be more than a couple grand over the cost of a v85...  I dont really care, you gotta pay to play, right?  Big question is if the Centenario green one really wears that fully active Ohlins, 'plain' Ohlins, or some other sort of upgraded suspenders on release

Would $17990 put you off the Centenario?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 27, 2021, 08:33:01 AM
Would $17990 put you off the Centenario?

basic bike for $12k

top level bike for $14.5

bag/touring package + $1400


Just my guess.  We're two grand apart.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 27, 2021, 09:16:55 AM
Would $17990 put you off the Centenario?

at that price it would have to have the full monty active ohlins setup front and rear.. plus a full set of nice factory luggage and a centerstand or some heated grips or something!  I would probably bite on that, I know that full ohlins suite bumps the price of the Aprillias and Ducatis that have it by $3.5-4000!  I deff dont want to pay that much, I am hoping it's more like $14-15k- which I am assuming is more of the range. I dont actually care about the computer-controlled suspension, but I will take it if it's the only configuration offered.  The deposit isnt non-refundable or anything and although I indicated a green one, I'm sure they will apply it to whatever v100 they can get.  I dislike the looks of the red one enough that I would probably get it painted if I was forced to settle on that one over the cost of the Ohlins kit.

They have not shown any bags for it yet, and it looks like nowhere to attach a centerstand-- with that hollow rear axle I am betting the will assume ppl use a pit stand or whatever.
Looks like the cruise will be standard based off the switchgear, so luggage, center stand, and maybe heated grips are about the only accessories I could possibly need or want. I dont much go for low seats, engine guards, or aux lights... cant think of anything else they might offer to sweeten the deal at a $18k price point!

So I guess the short answer is no I wouldnt be happy with $17,999 as pictured...  If it had fully active ohlins array, bags and a centerstand and cruise and heated grips I would probably do it, but I wouldnt be thrilled about it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PhilB on September 27, 2021, 09:57:57 PM
Would $17990 put you off the Centenario?
If it's a top machine, not at all.  After all I was seriously considering a Motus for almost twice that much.  And the best description of the Motus I ever saw was that it most resembled an "angry Moto Guzzi".

So if they manage to put this thing out there without there being any significant design flaws, I don't see me worrying about the price until we're talking well over $20K.  My main other contender is the Ducati 950SS, and by the time you get the "S" model, and add the luggage and so one, you've looking at over $17K for that.  The other one I want to test is the Kawasaki H2 SX SE, and I think those are over $20K.  The KTM 1290GT is an outside contender, and those are about $20K as well.  So I think I'm going to be spending about that much regardless.

PhilB
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on September 29, 2021, 07:33:32 PM
My first bike was a Yamaha XS750 triple with shaft drive.  Reminiscing on that bike is what led me to purchase the 2010 V7 Cafe Classic because it was 750cc and shaft drive. 

My next triple was the 2014 Triumph Trophy SE.

I've owned 3 I-4 bikes, but not really a fan.  Thumpers, Twins of various configurations are my favorites.  The triples are a good compromise.

I think we've discussed this, but I still have my 1978 750 Triple. Fun bike. Safely tucked away with my 1970 XS1100 till I retire.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on September 29, 2021, 08:29:20 PM
ok boys, money where your mouth is time.....  I just placed a deposit on a new 2022 V100 Mandello Centenario edition to put me first in line with the NC dealer (Team Charlotte)

Hoping to have the first one off the boat, or damn near it.

Any guesses when I will take delivery?  I say by end of May 2022, I have nothing to base that off of!
Excellent, someone to finish off the R&D and sort out all the early engineering and production issues for me while I wait patiently for a few years till they're sorted. I really appreciate all the work of the early adopters.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 29, 2021, 09:58:41 PM
Excellent, someone to finish off the R&D and sort out all the early engineering and production issues for me while I wait patiently for a few years till they're sorted. I really appreciate all the work of the early adopters.

Ciao
Well Phil.
If it wasn’t for those guys, there’d be nothing to wait for.
 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on September 30, 2021, 01:12:19 AM
at that price it would have to have the full monty active ohlins setup front and rear.. plus a full set of nice factory luggage and a centerstand or some heated grips or something!  I would probably bite on that, I know that full ohlins suite bumps the price of the Aprillias and Ducatis that have it by $3.5-4000!  I deff dont want to pay that much, I am hoping it's more like $14-15k- which I am assuming is more of the range. I dont actually care about the computer-controlled suspension, but I will take it if it's the only configuration offered.  The deposit isnt non-refundable or anything and although I indicated a green one, I'm sure they will apply it to whatever v100 they can get.  I dislike the looks of the red one enough that I would probably get it painted if I was forced to settle on that one over the cost of the Ohlins kit.

They have not shown any bags for it yet, and it looks like nowhere to attach a centerstand-- with that hollow rear axle I am betting the will assume ppl use a pit stand or whatever.
Looks like the cruise will be standard based off the switchgear, so luggage, center stand, and maybe heated grips are about the only accessories I could possibly need or want. I dont much go for low seats, engine guards, or aux lights... cant think of anything else they might offer to sweeten the deal at a $18k price point!

So I guess the short answer is no I wouldnt be happy with $17,999 as pictured...  If it had fully active ohlins array, bags and a centerstand and cruise and heated grips I would probably do it, but I wouldnt be thrilled about it.

I may be cross shopping this bike with a BMW R1250RS.   As I would configure that bike it’s around $22k with luggage, with active suspension.  I am looking for a used 2020 bike with 5-10k miles, looks like they run around $17k.  I’m hoping the Guzzi comes in at $19k with bags and active Ohlins.  Of course it better have heated grips.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on September 30, 2021, 01:51:03 AM
Well Phil.
If it wasn’t for those guys, there’d be nothing to wait for.
 If it’s true and you really appreciate their efforts, there’ll doubtless be some tangible evidence of it when you get yours.

I'm quite serious, the early adopters are the sacrificial lambs, they just don't realise it so I appreciate their sacrifice. I have a "rule", never buy the first of any clean sheet model, car or bike. The minimum wait time is 2 years. After 40 years of watching various manufacturers engines evolve in fine detail it's served me well. Along with 2 relatives with long term careers in automotive R&D and testing for GM the chances of me buying a clean sheet model are zero. You can't unlearn some of the things I've seen.
Then you've got the dealership mechanics for which the early adopters bikes as their learning tool. I don't trust dealership mechanics with legacy designs let alone a brand new one. Want to be the first one to get his shim and bucket valve adjustment done on the new model? Doesn't affect me personally as My bikes never see the dealer again after taking delivery but for others that use dealerships for their maintenance, well.   

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PhilB on September 30, 2021, 05:47:59 PM
I'm quite serious, the early adopters are the sacrificial lambs, they just don't realise it so I appreciate their sacrifice. I have a "rule", never buy the first of any clean sheet model, car or bike. The minimum wait time is 2 years. After 40 years of watching various manufacturers engines evolve in fine detail it's served me well. Along with 2 relatives with long term careers in automotive R&D and testing for GM the chances of me buying a clean sheet model are zero. You can't unlearn some of the things I've seen.
Then you've got the dealership mechanics for which the early adopters bikes as their learning tool. I don't trust dealership mechanics with legacy designs let alone a brand new one. Want to be the first one to get his shim and bucket valve adjustment done on the new model? Doesn't affect me personally as My bikes never see the dealer again after taking delivery but for others that use dealerships for their maintenance, well.   

Ciao
That's a fairly common "rule", and I hear a lots of people advise it.  OTOH, the times I've broken it have turned out just fine.  It's not that none of us "realize it"; it's that some of us, for some machines, see the risk, and take it consciously.

In 1993, I wanted a new bike, and what I wanted was an unfaired sporty twin, which there were none of on the market.  Then Ducati premiered their M900 Monster, which was exactly what I had in mind.  Although it was a new model, it was mostly made from existing parts, so I felt the risk was not too high.  They also were unsure how well it would sell, so they were only committing to make it that year, and then see what happened.  I ordered one sight unseen (since they hadn't been brought into the country yet), and waited.  That bike was the best thing I have ever bought; I rode it daily for 24 years and put 265K miles on it.

In 2002, BMW introduced their new Mini Cooper.  It was a clean sheet design, so there was risk there.  But BMW was determined to make a good impression with it with good customer service and support.  My 2002 Mini Cooper S now has 228K miles on it, and it's been a delightful little car.  Not cheap to run -- if it needs something, you're paying BMW prices for it, even though the car is supposed to be cheaper.  But I don't regret it a bit, and expect to keep it until it dies.

This new Moto Guzzi is the first model of a brand new engine design, so I will readily admit to some trepidation, and that it would definitely be a bit of a gamble to jump into.  OTOH, I'm 58, making good money, and don't have infinite riding years left.  So I'm considering it.

PhilB
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on September 30, 2021, 05:52:07 PM
Among the many things we do not know about the V100 is how it sounds. That sound will probably haunt my dreams until I buy one.  :copcar:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 30, 2021, 05:59:47 PM
Among the many things we do not know about the V100 is how it sounds. That sound will probably haunt my dreams until I buy one.  :copcar:

There’s a YouTube video somewhere in this thread of the bike starting and running.

Found it…

https://youtu.be/XLPwbhIySOY
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on October 01, 2021, 05:59:52 AM
There’s a YouTube video somewhere in this thread of the bike starting and running.

Found it…

https://youtu.be/XLPwbhIySOY

OK, I remember seeing that but what I meant was how it sounds on the road going through the gears from 4K to redline with aftermarket exhaust. If it sounds anything like my SV650 with M4 headers and 'muffler' it will be glorious... And for anyone who has never ridden a modern V twin, the speed with which the V100 gets to redline will be a revelation in itself.  :shocked:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on October 01, 2021, 06:29:21 AM
there will be the same ratio of early adopters to "waiters" as there always are. it's human nature. personally, i think that is very healthy for the marketplace.
MG seems to have responded better to issues in recent years.  I know there were a few members with catastrophic problems on some 1400s that did not go as well as hoped, but speaking as a former 1400 owner, imo that was never going to be a mainstream bike.  however, the then new V85 is good evidence of a more considered response by the company.  Early on, there were two very minor recalls. I can't remember what they were and mine was not affected, but MG put a blanket one year extension on the warranty of all bikes.  After 18,000 miles, they are going to make my first warranty repair into the extension year. one of the small heat shields vibrated off of the exhaust and they are covering it under warranty.
personally, the V85 is probably my last touring bike until i downsize, but i believe i would buy a V100 when they hit as i did the v85 if in the market for that type of bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on October 01, 2021, 10:49:07 AM
I've never bought a brand-new/clean-sheet model of anything, and only bought one brand new vehicle before in my life! But I figure if you want to support the brand, someone has to take the bait. Might as well be me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on October 01, 2021, 11:15:08 AM
Some lead, most follow.  Takes courage. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on October 01, 2021, 01:28:49 PM
I have bought a couple of first model year vehicles. The first was an R75/5. I first saw it announced in Cycle magazine. I put a deposit on one the next day. I got the first one in Denver, it was a good bike. I had a couple of issues, the CV carbs didn't work right. BMW replaced them right away and infact since I was putting a lot of mileage in a short amount of time they were actually as kind of a beta tester keeping an eye on my bike. The stator went bad at some point, the only problems I had.

My other is a 2013 Heavy Duty Ram, first year with major frame and some other changes. I've only had a couple of recall issues, supposed improper welding on a drag link support bracket, they were hand welded but mine was fine. The DEF system need an upgrade which was done. The tie rod link clamp may not be tightened properly, no issue there either. Overall the truck has been excellent with not a single issue affecting me. I think some manufacturers are going overboard on recalls due to some of the litigation that has plagued some manufaturers in recent years. I am not afraid of first year products and now that I think about it somemore while typing this, I had one of the first Chrysler Sebring convertibles. Not one issue with it.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on October 02, 2021, 05:07:21 PM
I'm happy for those who have plunked $$ down for one of the new Mandello's.  I also have a hankering for one of the new 850's, and am hoping that they come out with a Carbon Bright model.

I'm looking forward to seeing them in dealers though, and a full on Norge style replacement would be a game changer for me, especially if the ergo's were right.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on October 03, 2021, 07:48:21 AM
i was at cadre last week and was told that they have several deposits already. it was the same when the v85tt came out.  this is great momentum for our little brand.  what a change from 20 years ago.  even the last of the norge, stelvio, v9, 1400 and even some of the v7 series have recently been available as left overs at least one model year old. much more profitable for piaggio to sell them without having to offer incentives and for dealers not to have to floorplan them. i'm stoked as this demand may encourage piaggio to bring on the variants sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bmp72 on October 04, 2021, 04:28:15 AM
Wonder if I would fit on it (6ft4) ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on October 04, 2021, 10:30:58 AM
i was at cadre last week and was told that they have several deposits already. it was the same when the v85tt came out.  this is great momentum for our little brand.  what a change from 20 years ago. 

Twenty years ago Guzzi was selling the V11 Sport (which sold pretty well) and all the California related cruiser variants (which in combination sold pretty well).  Thirty years ago wasn’t so good.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on October 04, 2021, 10:50:20 AM
No, they really didn’t sell particularly well.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bulwnkl on October 07, 2021, 07:14:11 PM
I bought a first-year Mazda. It was brilliant! Also bought a first-year Honda NC700X (s/n: 57). It’s also been a rock-solid machine. A first year Chevy (ages ago) was worse than a money pit.

I think this new bike looks pretty good. I’m looking for a 100% 2-up tourer now (can a 1400 Cali or Eldo do that well?), so not for me, but I’m glad they’re making the changeover to meet new emissions regs.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on October 08, 2021, 06:49:28 AM
Tus:  What I meant to say and must not have said it very well was 20 years ago(ish), there were left overs aplenty and what does pretty well mean, a few hundred of each model? I drove 400 miles with a friend in 2004 to pick up a left over 2001 Stone.  Do you remember a time when such a large number of deposits were taken on bikes (including the V85, now on the V100) before they arrived?  I can't, but maybe that is just senility creeping in.
Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on October 08, 2021, 08:31:27 AM
Do you remember a time when such a large number of deposits were taken on bikes (including the V85, now on the V100) before they arrived?  I can't, but maybe that is just senility creeping in.
Ciao

I was on the phone with Team Charlotte Moto yesterday discussing my deposit as a matter of fact. I put mine in 9/25, they told me I'm first on the list, and that 3 other folks had put down a deposit for one since I placed my order!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on October 08, 2021, 08:34:07 AM
I was on the phone with Team Charlotte Moto yesterday discussing my deposit as a matter of fact. I put mine in 9/25, they told me I'm first on the list, and that 3 other folks had put down a deposit for one since I placed my order!

Which version did you order?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on October 08, 2021, 08:54:31 AM
Which version did you order?

They have me down for the green one.  It remains to be seen if it really come spec'd with the active ohlins setup and how that affects cost...  I really want the Centanario color scheme, but not sure I can stomach a $3-4k premium for the computerized suspension. That seems to be the markup on similarly equipped Ducati & Aprillia bikes... 

In a perfect world I would choose Green with standard suspension... but if that one only comes with ohlins, then I will have a decision to make.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on October 08, 2021, 12:54:00 PM
They have me down for the green one.  It remains to be seen if it really come spec'd with the active ohlins setup and how that affects cost...  I really want the Centanario color scheme, but not sure I can stomach a $3-4k premium for the computerized suspension. That seems to be the markup on similarly equipped Ducati & Aprillia bikes... 

In a perfect world I would choose Green with standard suspension... but if that one only comes with ohlins, then I will have a decision to make.

Having owned and ridden a few Ohlins-equipped bikes over the years (Guzzis and Ducatis), the premium will be worth it!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on October 08, 2021, 01:11:13 PM
Having owned and ridden a few Ohlins-equipped bikes over the years (Guzzis and Ducatis), the premium will be worth it!

Oh no doubt! but the computer-assisted active suspension? Might be overkill...  But I'm getting the bike either way, maybe I will be singing its praises in a few months?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on October 09, 2021, 02:38:51 AM
Having owned and ridden a few Ohlins-equipped bikes over the years (Guzzis and Ducatis), the premium will be worth it!

Well, hmm. I've been riding Ohlins equipped bike for 35 years and while the OEM stuff is decent it's nothing to rave about. There's a lot of oem Ohlins hype around that's for sure. My first Ohlins equipped bike used the exact same forks as they used on the 500 GP bikes at the time then they went to their "production" suspension for the manufacturers. I ditched the std " production" Ohlins on my 1198S and replaced them with the "road and track" versions FGRT803 and TTX shock, proper Ohlins suspension and far superior. Depends on the premium you need to pay really. Ducati people often buy the base model and then upgrade the suspension to the " serious Ohlins" as the overall cost is cheaper and you get the superior quality suspension.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: krglorioso on October 09, 2021, 11:40:43 PM
That's a fairly common "rule", and I hear a lots of people advise it.  OTOH, the times I've broken it have turned out just fine.  It's not that none of us "realize it"; it's that some of us, for some machines, see the risk, and take it consciously.

In 1993, I wanted a new bike, and what I wanted was an unfaired sporty twin, which there were none of on the market.  Then Ducati premiered their M900 Monster, which was exactly what I had in mind.  Although it was a new model, it was mostly made from existing parts, so I felt the risk was not too high.  They also were unsure how well it would sell, so they were only committing to make it that year, and then see what happened.  I ordered one sight unseen (since they hadn't been brought into the country yet), and waited.  That bike was the best thing I have ever bought; I rode it daily for 24 years and put 265K miles on it.

In 2002, BMW introduced their new Mini Cooper.  It was a clean sheet design, so there was risk there.  But BMW was determined to make a good impression with it with good customer service and support.  My 2002 Mini Cooper S now has 228K miles on it, and it's been a delightful little car.  Not cheap to run -- if it needs something, you're paying BMW prices for it, even though the car is supposed to be cheaper.  But I don't regret it a bit, and expect to keep it until it dies.

This new Moto Guzzi is the first model of a brand new engine design, so I will readily admit to some trepidation, and that it would definitely be a bit of a gamble to jump into.  OTOH, I'm 58, making good money, and don't have infinite riding years left.  So I'm considering it.

PhilB

Phil:  26 years ago, I said, "I'm 58.  Don't have that many years of riding left".  I rode just over 300 miles last week.  I don't know how many years of riding I have left!!

Ralph
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on October 11, 2021, 10:33:26 AM
Phil:  26 years ago, I said, "I'm 58.  Don't have that many years of riding left".  I rode just over 300 miles last week.  I don't know how many years of riding I have left!!

Ralph

Funny you say that. At 50, I thought I was winding down and tiring of riding. I was on an FJR at the time, and bored. I discovered Guzzi, and converted by a 4V Griso, which re-ignited my love of riding. 58 now, and there is no looking back, and I say with all respect that all you old guys inspire me with hope that I will be able to keep at it for at least another 20 years, and excited at the prospect of 20 years of post retirement 2 wheeled bliss..... Yes, I want to be like Bill Hagan  :bow: :evil:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on October 11, 2021, 11:23:25 AM
That's interesting what you say Bulldog. Maybe for another post, but I find that the fire in me to ride has waxed and waned, but never gone out since I hit road in 1995 (I was previously an off road trial dude and general kid riding around in the bush in the 80s....). If I find I'm a bit down on riding, I try and plan for a trip to somewhere not local - Wales usually does the trick for a long weekend, Scotland for a week, and Europe if I have more time and money. I always come back filled with the joys of riding...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 23, 2021, 05:50:49 AM
..... excited at the prospect of 20 years of post retirement 2 wheeled bliss..... Yes, I want to be like Bill Hagan  :bow: :evil:

Me too, me too!

I'm 53.   My current plan is to retire at 59 1/2, by then the house is paid for, our daughter will hopefully be done with college, and I can start collecting my 401k w/o penalty.   The wildcard, is, of course, how much will health insurance cost.  I'm hoping to fill that gap by stuffing as much into my 401k Roth as I can so my taxable income in the gap years until I qualify for medicare can be minimal.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on November 23, 2021, 05:55:43 AM
 
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News should be coming out from Milan today!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on November 23, 2021, 07:05:58 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/KqtDhVc/MG51699472861-d932c9e9c5-b.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KqtDhVc)


News should be coming out from Milan today!

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on November 23, 2021, 07:13:11 AM
WOW, just WOW…
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 07:26:45 AM
I think these are just load-in days? Doesnt ECIMA officially start 11/25?

Motorcycle.com is saying the claimed HP is 115
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 23, 2021, 07:37:59 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE4XJKxXMAAgmwb?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE4Xa5HXMAUFiV4?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on November 23, 2021, 07:40:59 AM
I think today starts for Local Press.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on November 23, 2021, 07:45:06 AM
I think these are just load-in days? Doesnt ECIMA officially start 11/25?

Motorcycle.com is saying the claimed HP is 115

Pfft... Only 115 HP?  :evil: :laugh:  Still haven't seen the price though. :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 07:48:08 AM
I dont think my 2v 1100 Breva has 80, so this will be a nice upgrade. I'll take 115, esp if it weighs 30-60lb less than the big B
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 07:49:38 AM
It is annoying that neither bike on display is showing with factory luggage or a centerstand tho  :undecided:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 23, 2021, 07:55:10 AM
When these were first previewed I was immediately drawn to the Tenni green Centanario but the more I look the more I'm beginning to prefer the red. Perhaps it's the mono-color but it just looks smoother/cleaner.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SLDMRossi on November 23, 2021, 08:06:02 AM
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“100” as in the history written during its first century, one of passion, skill, innovation, and success, both sporting and commercial. “100” as in the second century that has just begun. “100” to indicate, as is Moto Guzzi tradition, the displacement of the very modern new engine, the basis for a family of new generation motorcycles that will come to light in the future.

Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello will mark the start of a brand-new chapter in the Moto Guzzi story. A bike that refuses to conform or fit into just one category, it will combine dynamic flair with the travel vocation that lives in the soul of every Moto Guzzi. A never-before-seen Moto Guzzi, one characterized by cutting-edge technology, as the brand paves the way towards the future with innovative technical solutions and aerodynamics.

V100 Mandello will also present an innovative design which, as with all Moto Guzzis, focuses on showcasing the unique and inimitable v-twin engine. Lines that are far from nostalgic and that offer a modern take on the very cornerstones of Moto Guzzi style. This is clear to see in the shapes of the tank, which appear to be molded directly to the muscular engine heads, in the under-seat side panels, the slots of which are a clear reference to the legendary 1976 Le Mans, and in the top fairing, a tribute to the 1981 Le Mans 850 III. A 21st century bike, in its style and technology, that embodies the character and authenticity typical of all Moto Guzzis.

Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello will represent a turning point in the brand's history, the project introducing some very important technological innovations. It will be the very first motorcycle to offer adaptive aerodynamics, and the first Moto Guzzi to be equipped with advanced electronic solutions such as the six-axis inertial platform, cornering ABS, semi-active suspension, and the quick shifter, to cite just a few of the most important features.

And it will be the first Moto Guzzi to be powered by the new “compact block” engine, with its sophisticated technical characteristics. Tradition is respected with the 90° transverse V architecture of the twin, which guarantees that unique torque delivery and inimitable Moto Guzzi sound, but the project is in fact all new.

An innovative design has allowed for the development of an extremely compact and lightweight engine, which is 103 mm shorter than the V85 TT small block. The new twin stands out from all the engines recently built in Mandello del Lario for its cylinder heads, which are rotated by 90°, a decision that increases on-board comfort and rationalizes the positioning of components in the intake and electronic injection systems.

Its actual displacement equates to 1042cc, while timing involves a double overhead camshaft with finger followers and four valves per cylinder, which are chain driven. It also flaunts a wet sump lubrication system, a liquid cooling system, and a hydraulically controlled wet clutch.
Performance is second to none, with power more than 115 HP and torque of more than 105 Nm, with 90% already available at 3500 rpm and the limiter set at 9500 rpm. Data that effectively showcases the character and power of the new engine, gutsy and with real drive already at low speeds, and able to offer a riding experience worthy of the Moto Guzzi name.

The shaft drive employs a long aluminum single-sided swingarm, now positioned on the left. The drive shaft exit position, much lower with respect to previous Moto Guzzi engines, does away with any suspension reaction owing to the transfer of torque, with no need for linkage on the swingarm. This makes for a smooth ride during both acceleration and release, like that offered by a chain drive, but with the typical advantages of the shaft, so less maintenance and greater cleanliness.

The sports character of V100 Mandello does not just have to do with the performance of the new engine, but also the qualities of a compact and manageable chassis, which offers excitement through the turns and fast sections but also real stability over more long-range trips, with that inimitable front wheel feeling, synonymous with fun and riding pleasure. This is also thanks to the steel tube frame with 1486 mm wheelbase, fruit of a first-rate Moto Guzzi construction culture and ideal for showcasing the bike's agility.

Its touring attitude is boosted thanks to the significant comfort that the generous saddle and active, relaxed riding position afford. The adoption of a single variable-section aluminum handlebar is in line with the philosophy of the model, perfect for ensuring control during sports riding while also offering a higher and more relaxed riding position when touring. Two-person travel is at the base of the project, the passenger able to count on a significant, well-padded portion of saddle and practical grab handles, with a posture that ensures a relaxing trip. The comprehensive, dedicated accessories catalogue also includes a set of bike cases, which do not require any additional supports for assembly and contain both the side bulk and weight of the bike. Moto Guzzi technology also contributes to increasing both comfort and air protection, with the world-first adoption of an adaptive aerodynamic system that automatically adjusts the position of deflectors on the sides of the 17.5-liter tank depending on the speed and selected Riding Mode. The fully raised aerodynamic appendages reduce air pressure on the rider by 22%, which brings V100 Mandello close to the level of air protection afforded by more voluminous and less sporty tourers, thanks also to the protection provided by the top fairing, the height of which can be electronically adjusted.

This system contributes to what is a first-rate electronics package, comprising the Ride by Wire electronic accelerator for precise performance and consumption control, the advanced Marelli 11MP ECU, the six-axis inertial platform for effective management of the electronic controls, cruise control, and Cornering ABS to ensure active safety when braking through the turns.

Four Riding Modes are available, namely Travel, Sport, Rain and Road. Each of these manages three different engine mappings, four levels of traction control, three levels of engine brake and (in the version that introduces them as standard) also calibration of the Öhlins Smart EC 2.0 semi-active suspension, which can adapt automatically, minute by minute, to suit the type of riding and the road conditions, for the best possible bike behavior in any situation.

As ever, Moto Guzzi technology does not only aim to ensure a safe and exciting ride, but also facilitate life on-board. The rider need only select the Riding Mode that best suits their riding requirements to benefit from the best automatic adjustment of the electronic parameters, which can also be personalized so that every rider can find their preferred settings. Also included as standard is the 5" color TFT instrumentation, full LED lighting with DRL and the “bending lights” system with a pair of additional lights that illuminate the entire corner, increasing visibility when leaning.

V100 Mandello is available in two versions, which differ in terms of their trim. The more comprehensive version includes Öhlins semi-active suspension as standard, but also the quick shift, heated hand grips, and the Moto Guzzi MIA multimedia platform that allows a smartphone to be connected to the instrumentation via Bluetooth to extend its functions. Moto Guzzi MIA includes both the infotainment system for management of the voice assistant, phone calls and music via the intuitive handlebar controls, and the GPS function, which allows the rider to view directions directly on the instrument panel once a destination is set on the smartphone.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on November 23, 2021, 08:38:11 AM
.

An innovative design has allowed for the development of an extremely compact and lightweight engine, which is 103 mm shorter than the V85 TT small block. The new twin stands out from all the engines recently built in Mandello del Lario for its cylinder heads, which are rotated by 90°, a decision that increases on-board comfort and rationalizes the positioning of components in the intake and electronic injection systems.

Its actual displacement equates to 1042cc, while timing involves a double overhead camshaft with finger followers and four valves per cylinder, which are chain driven. It also flaunts a wet sump lubrication system, a liquid cooling system, and a hydraulically controlled wet clutch.

Performance is second to none, with power more than 115 HP and torque of more than 105 Nm, with 90% already available at 3500 rpm and the limiter set at 9500 rpm. Data that effectively showcases the character and power of the new engine, gutsy and with real drive already at low speeds, and able to offer a riding experience worthy of the Moto Guzzi name.


Sounds very promising!

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 08:48:28 AM
Wow! :afro:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on November 23, 2021, 09:06:24 AM
Second that, WOW!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Fredrik on November 23, 2021, 09:22:39 AM
IMHO cant i see what is so special with the V100 except the liquid cooling. The design reminds of a Honda CBF500, i acually did expect more from Guzzi. But again imho.  :afro:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 09:24:47 AM
Did you actually read the whole press release?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 09:34:19 AM
Cycle World:

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-look/?fbclid=IwAR1-AJPKZ0ZpZhJRg1gVW1ZH8My3kR9VL3T4bi-xdB6_DwrenrgzTRX-jkc
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 09:40:22 AM
It is annoying that neither bike on display is showing with factory luggage or a centerstand tho  :undecided:

 Looking at this Cycle World photo, seems like it will be difficult to mount a center stand.

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-look/?fbclid=IwAR1-AJPKZ0ZpZhJRg1gVW1ZH8My3kR9VL3T4bi-xdB6_DwrenrgzTRX-jkc
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AJ Huff on November 23, 2021, 09:43:09 AM
I find it ugly, not my taste in bike. But very excited to see this jump in technology and what may come out next.


(https://i.ibb.co/0FQPZVZ/YB5-XWCCSVRDIPB5-VIOFNAKWASQ.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0FQPZVZ)


-AJ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 09:51:19 AM
Yep, between the cat box and lack of lower rails, I dont think it's going to be an option.  I'll finally have to break down and get a rear wheel stand.  I know it's dumb but thats a bummer to me, I always want a center stand... esp if you are loading and unloading bags, etc.  I just think aesthetically, every bike looks better on a center stand than a side stand.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 23, 2021, 09:53:48 AM
One of very few "new" motorcycles that hit the button for me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 10:01:47 AM
"I just think aesthetically, every bike looks better on a center stand than a side stand."

Yes, I agree. Looks like the Cat would have to be removed to install a center stand.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Craig in Alabama on November 23, 2021, 10:10:54 AM
I love it!
I got a 2021 Yamaha Tracer 9 GT a couple months ago and the V100 Mandello has all the tech that the Yamaha has. Plus shaft drive and it's a Guzzi! I would buy one of these.
For anyone who hasn't tried one, quickshifters are really fun. I hope luggage is available.

Cheers!
Craig
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 10:13:10 AM
(https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/Onl7SxtVZguzJYI1rBwsJSCiiOE=/1440x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/octane/7CRF4WYSSBFKBCD4EGMM7YEJY4.jpg)

I think it's a nice looking bike, yes a bit on the conservative side but it's a good start and a great platform for a real modern LeMans. Of course with more HP.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 23, 2021, 10:15:11 AM
A minor hijack here.  For EICMA Moto Guzzi developed a special version of the V85 for the Cuirassiers of Italy’s Presidential Honor Guard, which presents quite elegantly in black graphics with white accents:


(https://advrider.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2022-MOTO-GUZZI-V85-TT-GUARDIA-D-ONORE-3-scaled.jpg)

My bad, I saw this was posted earlier. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Fredrik on November 23, 2021, 10:22:53 AM
Did you actually read the whole press release?

Of course, still havent found what is ”special”.  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: motogoro on November 23, 2021, 10:32:43 AM
(https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/Onl7SxtVZguzJYI1rBwsJSCiiOE=/1440x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/octane/7CRF4WYSSBFKBCD4EGMM7YEJY4.jpg)

I think it's a nice looking bike, yes a bit on the conservative side but it's a good start and a great platform for a real modern LeMans. Of course with more HP.

Ooh!  Shiny! New!  It's very pretty! 
I second Blackcat's comment. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SLDMRossi on November 23, 2021, 10:36:28 AM
See my other "V85 TT ... EIMCA" thread and please post black-white V85 image there. I can never seem to get photo's to post.

Thanks,

SR
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 10:37:46 AM
Of course, still havent found what is ”special”.  :lipsrsealed:

What could they do to make it 'special'?  All new engine, liquid cooled, downdraft induction and 4-valve heads.. the most powerful Guzzi in history. Shorter, lighter block & trans, shorter wheelbase. Wet clutch eliminates bellhousing and heavy flywheel, 10k redline. Cutting edge electronics, ride by wire with 12 various ride modes, factory cruise & heated grips, adjustable windscreen and aerodynamic foils, LED lighting and LCD display. All new swing arm with no reaction arm and beautiful forged wheels...

Sounds like you just dont like how it looks? Cause it has dozens of features no Guzzi ever has had and it's a complete new design outside of anything they have ever done.  What in your mind would make it more 'special'?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Fredrik on November 23, 2021, 10:41:42 AM
What could they do to make it 'special'?  All new engine, liquid cooled, downdraft induction and 4-valve heads.. the most powerful Guzzi in history. Shorter, lighter block & trans, shorter wheelbase. Wet clutch eliminates bellhousing and heavy flywheel, 10k redline. Cutting edge electronics, ride by wire with 12 various ride modes, factory cruise & heated grips, adjustable windscreen and aerodynamic foils, LED lighting and LCD display. All new swing arm with no reaction arm and beautiful forged wheels...

Sounds like you just dont like how it looks? Cause it has dozens of features no Guzzi ever has had and it's a complete new design outside of anything they have ever done.  What in your mind would make it more 'special'?

Yes, it is mostly the looks. Agree the tech is new to Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 11:17:40 AM
new v100 video, lots of sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQ8Kpbqdvs
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 11:27:04 AM
I dont think my 2v 1100 Breva has 80, so this will be a nice upgrade. I'll take 115, esp if it weighs 30-60lb less than the big B

Not so fast buster, if your breva is like all the rest to come out of Mandelo, it is said to make 86hp!   But point taken, 30 more ponies and better be less weight, sounds Great!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 11:34:15 AM
And then there is this: "The engine’s overall length is 4 inches less than Guzzi’s “small block” V85."
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sdcr on November 23, 2021, 11:35:45 AM
I’m just glad they didn’t paint it some shade of flat grey.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 23, 2021, 11:41:15 AM
new v100 video, lots of sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQ8Kpbqdvs

Funny video with the airplane but it's cool to see the bike being ridden.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 23, 2021, 11:50:38 AM
Funny video with the airplane but it's cool to see the bike being ridden.

I am guessing they are paying respect to the Guzzi Homage as the eagle of Guzzi came from the Italian air force as one of the founder of the Guzzi was a pilot.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rustygman on November 23, 2021, 11:52:00 AM
That looks and sounds fantastic and what a spec. Sadly way out of my price range but I hope Guzzi do well with this bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 11:55:57 AM
This ones got much more real world sound.   Posted by Stevex on another thread, but I thought it belongs here too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQ8Kpbqdvs
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: TimmyTheHog on November 23, 2021, 11:57:27 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/NVJ5zQt/image.png) (https://ibb.co/NVJ5zQt)


Yup it is a wet clutch!

I am REALLY curious on how the new clutch system works.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on November 23, 2021, 12:41:28 PM
We haven't seen weight figures yet????

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on November 23, 2021, 12:59:08 PM
Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello | Technologically Advanced and one-of-a-kind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDQ8Kpbqdvs
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Johncolleary on November 23, 2021, 01:11:44 PM
I like it.  Hope they make a stelvio version.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 23, 2021, 01:19:59 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/NVJ5zQt/image.png) (https://ibb.co/NVJ5zQt)


Yup it is a wet clutch!

I am REALLY curious on how the new clutch system works.

wet sump engine and a wet clutch... I still dont think they share lube tho.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on November 23, 2021, 01:28:35 PM
wet sump engine and a wet clutch... I still dont think they share lube tho.

That's Italian for hydraulically actuated clutch - no cable. My guess is they DO share the same lube.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Iron Cross Junction on November 23, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
We haven't seen weight figures yet????

Waiting for those, too.

Bill
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on November 23, 2021, 01:48:37 PM
The swap of drive from right to left should help those rear tire changes sans-center stand.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 23, 2021, 01:54:38 PM
The swap of drive from right to left should help those rear tire changes sans-center stand.

?!?  :huh:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on November 23, 2021, 02:04:58 PM
?!?  :huh:

The bike lies toward the left when propped by its kickstand. This makes installing a rear wheel a bit aggravating on the bikes where the drive is on the right, because the wheel easily wants to slide right off the splines (thanks for nothing, gravity). Even when a bike is on its center stand the wheel can still tend to dangle off. But with the splines on the left side now, the wheel should be able to rest on the splines when you're trying to get all the spacers aligned for the axle to pop through.

...or am I the only one that found that process to be bear?

Shoot... I am, aren't I.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 23, 2021, 02:19:25 PM
The bike lies toward the left when propped by its kickstand. This makes installing a rear wheel a bit aggravating on the bikes where the drive is on the right, because the wheel easily wants to slide right off the splines (thanks for nothing, gravity). Even when a bike is on its center stand the wheel can still tend to dangle off. But with the splines on the left side now, the wheel should be able to rest on the splines when you're trying to get all the spacers aligned for the axle to pop through.

...or am I the only one that found that process to be bear?

Shoot... I am, aren't I.

I can't say I've ever bothered trying to remove/install a wheel on a bike that wasn't:

* On a Centerstand
* On a lift/jack

I can't think of a single time I tried in on a sidestand?!?!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on November 23, 2021, 02:44:32 PM
I can't say I've ever bothered trying to remove/install a wheel on a bike that wasn't:

* On a Centerstand
* On a lift/jack

I can't think of a single time I tried in on a sidestand?!?!

You’d have to use a jack of some sort to prop the rear right side up while doing it. It’s a popular topic for the off-road and ADV crowd who wish to avoid added weight of a center stand. Some make their own, others skip on creativity and go for a product like the Snap Jack:

 https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/tirox-snapjack-v2?gclid=CjwKCAiAv_KMBhAzEiwAs-rX1E0ZUOQRnIwh2QvoD8lMSJivnC-eeHztReZCeXG0D9vloDmI45bGVxoCoUIQAvD_BwE&sku_id=1788167 (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/tirox-snapjack-v2?gclid=CjwKCAiAv_KMBhAzEiwAs-rX1E0ZUOQRnIwh2QvoD8lMSJivnC-eeHztReZCeXG0D9vloDmI45bGVxoCoUIQAvD_BwE&sku_id=1788167)

I modified a piece of aluminum crutch similar to this fella’s version:


(https://i.ibb.co/GcRNvf0/8-ED2-C384-4228-40-EB-A3-B3-0-EA2457-BED13.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GcRNvf0)

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…and have used it for general propping of the rear, but realized too late that it would cause me a ruptured artery from stress if I tried to change a tire with this over a center stand due to the drive splines being on the right side (elevated side).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 23, 2021, 03:09:55 PM
You’d have to use a jack of some sort to prop the rear right side up while doing it. It’s a popular topic for the off-road and ADV crowd who wish to avoid added weight of a center stand. Some make their own, others skip on creativity and go for a product like the Snap Jack:
>SNIP<

Have used a SnapJack on more than one occasion but not to remove a rear wheel. Works well and would be stable enough for wheel removal if placed correctly.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 23, 2021, 03:54:14 PM


(https://scontent.ffco2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/241665636_10157824150967504_993019469515687868_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=MtSITvb4EHEAX80onbE&_nc_ht=scontent.ffco2-1.fna&oh=88499cdf5e9ba673c9e20e1f7914fe84&oe=61601128)

 

Dogwalker,

What's the latest from the streets of Mandello ??
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 23, 2021, 04:00:31 PM
at that price it would have to have the full monty active ohlins setup front and rear.. plus a full set of nice factory luggage and a centerstand or some heated grips or something!  I would probably bite on that, I know that full ohlins suite bumps the price of the Aprillias and Ducatis that have it by $3.5-4000!  I deff dont want to pay that much, I am hoping it's more like $14-15k- which I am assuming is more of the range. I dont actually care about the computer-controlled suspension, but I will take it if it's the only configuration offered.  The deposit isnt non-refundable or anything and although I indicated a green one, I'm sure they will apply it to whatever v100 they can get.  I dislike the looks of the red one enough that I would probably get it painted if I was forced to settle on that one over the cost of the Ohlins kit.

They have not shown any bags for it yet, and it looks like nowhere to attach a centerstand-- with that hollow rear axle I am betting the will assume ppl use a pit stand or whatever.
Looks like the cruise will be standard based off the switchgear, so luggage, center stand, and maybe heated grips are about the only accessories I could possibly need or want. I dont much go for low seats, engine guards, or aux lights... cant think of anything else they might offer to sweeten the deal at a $18k price point!

So I guess the short answer is no I wouldnt be happy with $17,999 as pictured...  If it had fully active ohlins array, bags and a centerstand and cruise and heated grips I would probably do it, but I wouldnt be thrilled about it.

I saw a comment of 15,500 Euro, so we may be looking at my previously guessed price, here in The USA.

I'll bet the Ohlins-equipped bike starts at $17,990 USD.

Anxious to see more from the show.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 23, 2021, 04:18:23 PM
I'd guess the base model will come in under $12k. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: mojohand on November 23, 2021, 04:36:47 PM
I didn't buy the KTM Grand Duke GT because it didn't have the ability to mount a center stand.

I cannot fathom a sport-touring bike without a center stand. Seems small to some, but it's a deal-killer for me. Too many times having to fix a flat on the side of the road = a need for a center stand.

YMMV.

Really. Really. Sad.  :sad:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 23, 2021, 04:38:16 PM
I sincerly hope I have to eat these words, but, there is no way an E5 bike sounds that good stock.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 23, 2021, 04:51:16 PM
Just asking, as to date in my 38 years of street riding I have never had a tire issue.   If you're running tubeless, you can generally fix it on the bike, no wheel removal needed, unless bigger issues.   If that all makes sense, then as nice as a center stand is, why would it be a deal breaker?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on November 23, 2021, 05:48:46 PM
Perhaps a center stand will be an aftermarket option...one hopes.  Either that, or one will have to buy another chock.  I wonder if my V11 rear wheel stand would work on the new V100...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rebochi on November 23, 2021, 05:49:27 PM
wet sump engine and a wet clutch... I still dont think they share lube tho.

  The engine oil is shared with the Transmission. The Mandello uses the same clutch/ engine/gearbox layout as a Honda CX 500/650 or a BMW 1200LC.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 23, 2021, 06:21:18 PM
Just asking, as to date in my 38 years of street riding I have never had a tire issue.   If you're running tubeless, you can generally fix it on the bike, no wheel removal needed, unless bigger issues.   If that all makes sense, then as nice as a center stand is, why would it be a deal breaker?

Same here. A centre stand is a nice to have thing and one of my bikes has one but it's a mile away from a deal breaker for me esp as you point out with modern day tubeless tyres. Back in the 50/60's it was highly desirable even a necessity as is demonstrated by triumphs etc having a front wheel stand as well. You'd be lucky indeed to ride 5 thousand KLMs back then without a puncture which meant wheel off and tyre irons out. maybe the hint is in the category the new bike fits......Spotrs Tourer not Tourer  

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on November 23, 2021, 07:12:01 PM
centre stand schmenter stand

whats the deal with the long swingarm but no reactive rod?

If there are 115 bhp getting anywhere near the rear wheel there's gonna be some torque reaction for sure

am I missing something?

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: paul in rochester on November 23, 2021, 07:50:35 PM
The green/silver scheme made me think of a Benelli.

Not a bad thing, mind you.


Paul
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: OldMojo on November 23, 2021, 07:52:51 PM
  The engine oil is shared with the Transmission. The Mandello uses the same clutch/ engine/gearbox layout as a Honda CX 500/650 or a BMW 1200LC.

I suppose that's the end of using regular auto oil  :sad:

Let the oil threads begin anew!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 23, 2021, 08:10:21 PM
Maybe the center stand crisis can be put on HOLD until we have all the info?  Perhaps?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 23, 2021, 10:15:33 PM


whats the deal with the long swingarm but no reactive rod?

If there are 115 bhp getting anywhere near the rear wheel there's gonna be some torque reaction for sure

am I missing something?

You're missing geometry.

It is said that a reaction system is not needed due to pivot points and swinger angles

Does seem a little odd, but we'll see...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kildareman on November 24, 2021, 03:35:43 AM
I sincerly hope I have to eat these words, but, there is no way an E5 bike sounds that good stock.

The v7 850 sounds pretty good out the box, although the silencers look weren't to my taste. Thank God for Mistrals. See no reason why the v100 won't/doesn't sound good. Certainly the exhaust looks gorgeous and shows off the rear end really well.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: aklawok on November 24, 2021, 04:27:33 AM
 with the cylinder heads turned 90deg. I speculate a single injection unit mebe with 2 injectors or not? possible ram air type air induction as well, big tech improvement! my guess as to claimed HP was spot on @115.
this is definitely a 120-130HP. class  motor detuned for the green police, plenty of meat on the bone will be left for the real tuners!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 24, 2021, 05:18:43 AM
The look is really growing on me, and compared to the other insectoid offerings across the spectrum, even BMW, this is looking great.  Not a big fan of green and grey, but it would be cool to have the 100 year anniversary colors. The "Flourish and embellishments' in the Italian to English translations crack me up.

Unless it floors me when I see it in person, a Mandello V100 won't find it's way into my garage, even with full luggage. A Norge replacement in red with full fairings? That's different. I love my 1200 Sport. Well, Bobs (Ohio Rider) 1200 Sport  :grin: and only miss the full fairing of the Norge. I cant see moving on from it for another 1/2 to mid fairing ST rides. A Full Faring bike with integrated luggage would be hard to resist.

"Special" is a subjective term. Without a doubt this is a major step forward in securing Guzzi's future, and IMO the V100 is one of the better if not best looking mid-fairing STs bikes out there. I'm glad it is conservative and classic (cause you know conservative and classy go together) in styling.  The riding position looks OK, maybe a little tight, but hard to guess by pictures.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on November 24, 2021, 06:03:13 AM
I sincerly hope I have to eat these words, but, there is no way an E5 bike sounds that good stock.

In recent years H-D was able to increase the sound level from the exhaust because they made the motor so quiet... :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 24, 2021, 06:23:36 AM
jwin:  i was going to point that out as well.  i like the new styling.  i too have seen enough insectoid (great word) bikes to last the rest of my life.  $20,000 bikes are in my past now, but if I was still in that market, this presses the right buttons for me except for the tech (don't laugh).  If they made one that was just the plain bike with a good, manually adjustable, but not electronically adjustable suspension, simple ABS and of course, cruise control just like the trim level of the v85tt adventure and brought it in at an attractive price, maybe.  just distill down the goodness without the gingerbread (and weight).  of course, any version must have bags either standard or available and i am positive it will have matching luggage in any guise.   
no matter what happens it is great to see the company accept the water cooling challenge and moving into the future.  say what you want about piaggio, you can't deny that proper funding is what is allowing MG to look at the next hundred years.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 24, 2021, 06:28:47 AM
I'm really exited to see one of these in the flesh, I think the hp and torque specs are spot on .  I have been thinking about a single bike that could replace both the griso and tuono and this looks like it could be it. Hopefully we get the ohlins spec version here in the states.  Could live without the power shied and gimmicky  aero wings . For me its all about ergos and how it puts down  power. Any guesses on pricing?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackbuell on November 24, 2021, 06:36:14 AM
If it is lighter than my Norge and has a seat height not too tall for an old short guy, I might consider trading in the Norge and my BMW F bike for one with full luggage. Anxious for Enzo at Cadre to get a demo version.

Jon
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 24, 2021, 07:13:10 AM
“Moto Guzzi says that he drive shaft exit position is much lower with respect to previous Moto Guzzi engines, and thus does away with any suspension movement from the transfer of torque, and thus needs no swingarm linkage.

The Italians say that this makes for a smooth ride during both acceleration and deceleration, on par to what one would find on a chain drive, but with the typical advantages of a shaft drive.“
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 24, 2021, 09:09:50 AM
I agree this is one of the best looking bikes I have seen in years. I also am sick and tired of the insectoids. Just a couple of weeks ago I downsized from my Audace. It was getting too heavy and awkward for me. I wanted a mid-sized classically styled bike. It also needed to have a big enough engine for comfortable higher speed touring. I was able to find only one bike that met my desires and it was still short in some areas. I got a Triumph  T120, but no driveshaft and the tank is kind of small but it get pretty good mileage. There is no such thing as the perfect bike, but we all know that. I really like the Mandello and I hope it helps pave the way to glorious future for MG.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Joliet Jim on November 24, 2021, 09:35:07 AM
i love it
If I were younger and had the cash I would buy one

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 24, 2021, 09:52:07 AM
I sincerly hope I have to eat these words, but, there is no way an E5 bike sounds that good stock.

I think you're wrong about that.  At least my Duc (euro 4/5) sounds great.  Duc does use a back pressure valve.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 24, 2021, 09:55:03 AM
with the cylinder heads turned 90deg. I speculate a single injection unit mebe with 2 injectors or not? possible ram air type air induction as well, big tech improvement! my guess as to claimed HP was spot on @115.
this is definitely a 120-130HP. class  motor detuned for the green police, plenty of meat on the bone will be left for the real tuners!

I think the engine was tuned to run in 115HP/9k rpm range considering Guzzi riders.  More power = peakier motor, not exactly in the Guzzi market.

Like they say, absolute power is one thing, power band is everything. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Fredrik on November 24, 2021, 10:21:37 AM
In recent years H-D was able to increase the sound level from the exhaust because they made the motor so quiet... :popcorn:

I doubt in EU, the bikes sounds like electrical bikes these days here.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 24, 2021, 11:01:08 AM
Any guesses on pricing?

I'm guessing $18,995 for the high end model with the electronic suspension, and all the other features, and $15,995 for the base model.

I'd be happy if I can get the base model with the cruise control and quick shifter, then add manually adjustable Öhlins sprung to my specs.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 24, 2021, 11:51:54 AM
I suppose that's the end of using regular auto oil  :sad:

Let the oil threads begin anew!

Normal synthetic motor oils have been used in common-case engines for years.

Guzzis have been spec'd for normal synthetic motor oils for years.

There will be no change.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 2dogs on November 24, 2021, 12:09:14 PM
Just going from the BMW wasserboxers (wet clutch) I think it will require some thing along the spec of JASO MA-2.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: grebmrof on November 24, 2021, 02:08:09 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted:

https://www.motorcycledaily.com/2021/11/moto-guzzi-presents-v100-mandello-production-model-with-specifications/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 24, 2021, 02:42:00 PM
Sorry if this has already been posted:

https://www.motorcycledaily.com/2021/11/moto-guzzi-presents-v100-mandello-production-model-with-specifications/

17.5L / 4.6gal fuel tank is a bit of a disappointment.  Would have loved to see 5.5gal to 6.5gal.

115bhp / 105nm is better than I expected!  With 90% of torque from 3500rpm-onward, this thing will be a joy to ride!

"Compact Block".  I move that hense forth we Guzzisti refer to it as the "C-block".

Still curious about weight and seat height.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on November 24, 2021, 02:58:30 PM
Quote

I suppose that's the end of using regular auto oil  :sad:

Let the oil threads begin anew!   

I've used 10 W 40 and 20 W 50 oil in my wet clutch Honda for years without a problem. Look for the absence of the "energy conserving" phrase on the container. I don't know what the service ratings are.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Alfetta on November 24, 2021, 03:29:52 PM
centre stand schmenter stand

whats the deal with the long swingarm but no reactive rod?

If there are 115 bhp getting anywhere near the rear wheel there's gonna be some torque reaction for sure

am I missing something?

well looking at the girth of the swingarm, i would guess that there is room inside for a reaction rod, prop shaft and a small lunch pail.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 24, 2021, 04:53:13 PM
17.5L / 4.6gal fuel tank is a bit of a disappointment.  Would have loved to see 5.5gal to 6.5gal.

Agreed.  My V7 has  5.1 gallons of usable fuel.  I'd want at least that much in the V100.
That said the R1200RS, its mostly likely competitor has an 18L tank.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 24, 2021, 05:20:26 PM
I understand your wishes, but they are just such.  The V100 is not a focused touring bike, it's a do it all roadster.   Thus 4.6g is right were it needs to be, should be good for 150 miles plus, if you need more than that, take the needed actions.   MG says more bikes to come from this motor, I would be stunned if they didn't produce a touring bike based on it soon.do
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: aklawok on November 25, 2021, 12:10:21 AM
I think the engine was tuned to run in 115HP/9k rpm range considering Guzzi riders.  More power = peakier motor, not exactly in the Guzzi market.

Like they say, absolute power is one thing, power band is everything.

think I read in  story that it makes 80% or so peak HP @3500rpm? go back and read again...some such claim in there...no rice burner there!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: weevee on November 25, 2021, 04:27:09 AM
Like they say, absolute power is one thing, power band is everything.

Yes, but BMW's R1250RS makes more torque from just above idle (3,000rpm) than the Guzzi does at maximum (..this rising to 143 Nm / 105 lb-ft  @ 6,250rpm).  Absolute power is higher too: 136hp @ only 7,750rpm.  Unless it's substantially lighter the Guzzi is likely to trail the BMW in the inevitable comparison tests, and because these bikes are pitched at the very same customers, any 'newbies' to the marque could be hard won.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: grebmrof on November 25, 2021, 05:47:08 AM
17.5L / 4.6gal fuel tank is a bit of a disappointment.  Would have loved to see 5.5gal to 6.5gal.

Perhaps the mpg will provide the range that in the past one got from a larger tank...we'll see what some of the reports tell us down the line.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 25, 2021, 06:20:48 AM
Yes, but BMW's R1250RS makes more torque from just above idle (3,000rpm) than the Guzzi does at maximum (..this rising to 143 Nm / 105 lb-ft  @ 6,250rpm).  Absolute power is higher too: 136hp @ only 7,750rpm.  Unless it's substantially lighter the Guzzi is likely to trail the BMW in the inevitable comparison tests, and because these bikes are pitched at the very same customers, any 'newbies' to the marque could be hard won.

It will also come down to riding impressions and appearance. Some may buy a bike based on the fact sheet but a more powerful engine doesn't always carry the day in a comparison. I find the R1250RS unattractive with too much of an insectoid look. The proof will be in the riding - it WILL be an interesting head to head test.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 25, 2021, 06:34:15 AM
I agree that the RS would be its natural competitor, but do first time or even 2nd time buyers even buy bikes in this price range and with the mission of these bikes?  I don't really see it as an issue.  Keep in mind that the BMW has 25% more engine capacity so it should at least be torquier.  If the 2 bikes were side by side, I think the Guzzi will look smaller and sleeker even if it is not necessarily lighter in weight.  The BMW RS boxer series has never sold in high volume (I have had 2, so I can comment) mostly in my opinion because of the way that they price it.  It has traditionally come without bags and by the time you add them, you are nearly to the price of an RT which most Americans perceive as the better bike (bigger is better).  I have had an RT as well and at least at that time, the RS was 60 lbs lighter and you could definitely feel the difference, but at the price of less wind protection.  Can't wait to see those comparisons begin, hurry up Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on November 25, 2021, 06:34:23 AM
It will also come down to riding impressions and appearance. Some may buy a bike based on the fact sheet but a more powerful engine doesn't always carry the day in a comparison. I find the R1250RS unattractive with too much of an insectoid look. The proof will be in the riding - it WILL be an interesting head to head test.

And it’s sure to be cheaper than the Beemer. Guzzi has never been about being more powerful or faster (on the streets, at least).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 25, 2021, 06:35:26 AM
At 50 mpg, that is over 200 miles.  Let's hope its a sipper.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: weevee on November 25, 2021, 07:01:30 AM
The proof will be in the riding - it WILL be an interesting head to head test.

For sure.  I've never owned a BMW in my life, but I will be in the market for a sports-tourer in March 2022 so have been doing my research.  I like the look of the Guzzi (..and I've leaned more towards Italian machines than any others in the past), but looks alone won't sway me one way or another.  So far as I can tell, BMW has all the bases covered on this one.  Every question asked of the new Guzzi (..by myself and a few others on here) is already answered by the R1250RS.  It has massive low-and-mid-range torque / shaft-drive / a centre-stand / a quick-shifter / full luggage availability / it will average around 200mls on an 18L tank (source: R1250RS forum) ~ it complies with Euro 5 emissions etc. etc.)  It even sounds half-decent!  https://youtu.be/ejLLlshzr0U?t=2

A lower price on the Guzzi wouldn't sway me if it falls short of its competitors - so yes, a lot would hinge on a test ride.       
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on November 25, 2021, 08:11:16 AM
I understand your wishes, but they are just such.  The V100 is not a focused touring bike, it's a do it all roadster.   Thus 4.6g is right were it needs to be, should be good for 150 miles plus, if you need more than that, take the needed actions.   MG says more bikes to come from this motor, I would be stunned if they didn't produce a touring bike based on it soon.do

Yup. Shoot, I get near 180 miles per tank on my 4.9 gallon KTM and it is a rip snorting machine.  All the newer MGs seem to get good mpg and they all are Euro compliant.  I very greatly suspect you’ll be able to mostly get near 180-200 before bone dry.  If you need more range than this, buy a tourer  :thumb: :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 25, 2021, 08:14:33 AM
Gûzzi has never been about the spec sheet, it's the experience and character. Took me 50 years to discover it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 25, 2021, 08:20:57 AM
The specs don't mean much.  It's a heavy lift to find a motorcycle without enough real world power-especially north of 100bhp.
I'd be SHOCKED if any Guzzi ever competes on the spec sheet power wise-but that ain't everything.  Heck, look at the success of the new V85.

In the end the only thing that really matters for a good long them relationship is how the bike feels and preforms for the owner.  CONSTANTLY on motorcycle forums the power crap is discussed as a be all, end all.  But I'm 100% confident that when most of us ride with other brands of bikes we all arrive at about the same time.  Yes, the fast guys take off-multi brands ridden.  And when you meet up with them (us) you'll find we all enjoyed the trip.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kildareman on November 25, 2021, 08:24:21 AM
The specs don't mean much.  It's a heavy lift to find a motorcycle without enough real world power-especially north of 100bhp.
I'd be SHOCKED if any Guzzi ever competes on the spec sheet power wise-but that ain't everything.  Heck, look at the success of the new V85.

In the end the only thing that really matters for a good long them relationship is how the bike feels and preforms for the owner.  CONSTANTLY on motorcycle forums the power crap is discussed as a be all, end all.  But I'm 100% confident that when most of us ride with other brands of bikes we all arrive at about the same time.  Yes, the fast guys take off-multi brands ridden.  And when you meet up with them (us) you'll find we all enjoyed the trip.

+1.
I'm having more fun riding my V7 850 than I pretty much ever did with my Tiger 800
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on November 25, 2021, 08:30:17 AM
Where's the pot holes, frost heaves and crack sealer snot in that video? Sure wasn't filmed in Maine!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 25, 2021, 08:33:38 AM
Gûzzi has never been about the spec sheet, it's the experience and character. Took me 50 years to discover it.

It's ok brother, you're not slow, you're just special...  :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 25, 2021, 09:07:44 AM
When I was researching the new Bonnevilles I was really concerned with the 3.8 gallon tank on the T120. But with the mileage I seem to be getting, not enough mileage yet to know for sure, not going to be a problem. And this is a 1200 cc engine but I can't ride as far between stops as I used to. The only stretch I would be concerned about is Tonopah to Ely, 160+ miles. I just would keep it below 80.  :thumb:  Hopefully the Mandello will be thrifty with fuel. My Audace would get an average of 40mpg and it didn't have the biggest tank either, 4.7 which I couldn't quite understand.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on November 25, 2021, 10:03:36 AM
I stopped by Westchester Moto Plex in West Chester Pennsylvania yesterday. They sell Moto Guzzi, Aprilia, and Vespa. They have a huge selection of all three brands on the floor.

When I asked him about the new V 100 Mondello, he said that it won’t be arriving until November 2022.

Here are a few pictures of the Moto Guzzi floor display.
(https://i.ibb.co/crYBmrw/D132-E41-D-09-CF-4703-89-AB-727-DBE78-EA9-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/crYBmrw)

(https://i.ibb.co/2hMWGLn/9-DE9-E3-F4-FC99-495-F-9-B1-B-618-B07-FF7-EB4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2hMWGLn)

(https://i.ibb.co/9qgS20M/CD0-E6-B3-B-DE83-45-D5-B30-A-5-DBF989572-A2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9qgS20M)

(https://i.ibb.co/f10NNVx/D4-C36580-C2-E5-45-B7-B065-46-A97-B5-ECFA3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f10NNVx)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on November 25, 2021, 10:44:04 AM
These pictures showed up on Reddit- 
https://imgur.com/a/vQULg34
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: nwguy on November 25, 2021, 02:59:18 PM
A friend sent me this link showing the v100 with good close ups:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp2SrnljMtA

I originally really liked the looks of the v100, but after seeing close ups I don't like the giant radiator, and the red bike has ugly heat shields on the headers. The active airflow thingies seem frail and like something that's not work after a few years. Maybe I'll just paint my Norge green.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: grebmrof on November 25, 2021, 03:14:29 PM
Geez, those are beautiful bikes.  The motor is a very small lump, the turn signals are tiny, the details really look nice.  Not sure about those aerodynamic wings off of the tank & fairing.  Those bikes are eye candy.  It will be interesting to see them and read about them.  Works of art to my eyes!  Wonder what other versions will be brought out with that engine and drive train?  How many years ago were we speculating on a water cooled Guzzi engine?  Guess maybe the Euro emissions may have finally pushed them to it. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: cappisj1 on November 25, 2021, 04:01:08 PM
Never bought a brand new motorcycle and only one brand new car in my 50 years. I want a green one, take my money! 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 25, 2021, 04:32:15 PM
All this discussion about Horsepower and Torque and spec sheet comparisons. I currently own the following bikes, a Ducati 1198S many performance mods and almost 200RWHP, a Suzuki GSXR1000 set up for the track around 175RWHP, a Ducati 1000ss DS maybe 80HP My V11 Daytona engined bike maybe 85 HP and my Royal Enfield 650 with 50HP.

My RE 650 is a perfect example of the silliness we've all become accustomed to with regards to engine performance on a road bike. If I went on a rational fast ride with anyone here would I get left behind with my 50 Horsepower bike?, nope. Would I be using the engine harder? Yep, but so what. We've all become accustomed to riding bikes with about 3 times the power we can actually rationally use or even have the ability to use. So riding around using 1/4 throttle ALL the time, that's the reality for 99% of people riding a high performance bike on modern roads. So all the spec sheet engine performance comparisons seem pretty pointless once the engine is making more than 100 HP.  When you step back and ride something with a lot less power you begin to realise just how much you really actually use and need. Do I want manufacturers to limit power? nope, but it's nice to ride something with less power and "reset" the engine performance reality.

So the new Guzzi makes FAR more power and torque than 99.9% of road riders can ever use. Hell, from my track experience it makes more power and torque than 95% of road riders can use on a race track.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 25, 2021, 10:12:40 PM
All this discussion about Horsepower and Torque and spec sheet comparisons. I currently own the following bikes, a Ducati 1198S many performance mods and almost 200RWHP, a Suzuki GSXR1000 set up for the track around 175RWHP, a Ducati 1000ss DS maybe 80HP My V11 Daytona engined bike maybe 85 HP and my Royal Enfield 650 with 50HP.

My RE 650 is a perfect example of the silliness we've all become accustomed to with regards to engine performance on a road bike. If I went on a rational fast ride with anyone here would I get left behind with my 50 Horsepower bike?, nope. Would I be using the engine harder? Yep, but so what. We've all become accustomed to riding bikes with about 3 times the power we can actually rationally use or even have the ability to use. So riding around using 1/4 throttle ALL the time, that's the reality for 99% of people riding a high performance bike on modern roads. So all the spec sheet engine performance comparisons seem pretty pointless once the engine is making more than 100 HP.  When you step back and ride something with a lot less power you begin to realise just how much you really actually use and need. Do I want manufacturers to limit power? nope, but it's nice to ride something with less power and "reset" the engine performance reality.

So the new Guzzi makes FAR more power and torque than 99.9% of road riders can ever use. Hell, from my track experience it makes more power and torque than 95% of road riders can use on a race track.

Ciao

I'm completely satisfied with the 44hp of my Stornello.... Untill I ride the GRiSO or 1200 Sport.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2021, 03:29:17 AM
centre stand schmenter stand

whats the deal with the long swingarm but no reactive rod?

If there are 115 bhp getting anywhere near the rear wheel there's gonna be some torque reaction for sure

am I missing something?
Yep, you are.
The longer the lever arm, the less is the force vector for a given torque.
If you are providing 100 Nm over a 0.5 metre lever, you are applying 200 Newtons, or about 20 kg.
To apply the same torque over 1.0 metre lever, you only need to apply 100 Newtons or 10 kg...(not surprisingly).

So a longer swingarm experiences less “jacking” than a shorter one at the pivot point.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2021, 03:34:41 AM
I just did 18,000 km on a 12 Hp bike and had a blast..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on November 26, 2021, 04:24:36 AM
Lucky Phil, you're a sane person.

A spot-on comment, thanks.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: weevee on November 26, 2021, 04:30:39 AM
Some here are missing the point re. the spec. sheet..

This bike isn't aimed primarily at dyed-in-the-wool Guzzisti.  It's an attempt by the factory to woo new blood and to sell to customers who'd ordinarily look elsewhere.  You and I may appreciate character and machines with just sufficient power ~ but you can bet your life mainstream reviewers will look to the spec-sheet and (..as always) compare apples to apples with their own particular bias.             
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on November 26, 2021, 05:42:21 AM
There's a lot I like about this bike. A lot.

But like others have eluded, I don't like that torque number either. 115HP/74 ft-lb? 90% achieved at 3500RPM with red line of 9500RPM?....That's not good at all in my book. Sounds like a high revving metric that goes nowhere. I would have rather had it the other way around. Or maybe instead of bragging on 4" shorter cylinders than a V85, go ahead and add that 4" back and try and get more equal numbers. 115/115 would be amazing. Here in these hills, torque is best to keep from constantly shifting. That might be why they put the quick shifter on it. The electronic wings are cool, but that's it really. Another gizmo to break and I doubt they offer any real benefit. I'd have rather had the extra gas storage they took from to add those silly wings on the tank. Would love a taller screen and quick detach touring bags option. I I see no mention of hydraulic valves, but I assume they did that. Adjusting valves is so 1980's...time to move on. Of course this is all just speculation on my part and pure opinion, sight unseen and unridden. But, I do for sure like it. It's absolutely beautiful and some of the best styling I've seen from Guzzi in a while. "New and bold" comes to mind. I hope they sell millions of them and have to open more dealerships :evil:.

Hoping to demo one someday at a dealer far, far, far away...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2021, 05:57:31 AM
Wasn’t the statement that the V100 was 4” shorter (front to back), not top to bottom ?
I may have mis interpreted the comment.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on November 26, 2021, 06:06:09 AM
Wasn’t the statement that the V100 was 4” shorter (front to back), not top to bottom ?
I may have mis interpreted the comment.

I don't recall seeing the "front to back" measurement. Shorter means height to me, not length. Maybe I got it wrong too.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 26, 2021, 06:34:46 AM
There's a lot I like about this bike. A lot.

But like others have eluded, I don't like that torque number either. 115HP/74 ft-lb? 90% achieved at 3500RPM with red line of 9500RPM?....That's not good at all in my book. Sounds like a high revving metric that goes nowhere. I would have rather had it the other way around. Or maybe instead of bragging on 4" shorter cylinders than a V85, go ahead and add that 4" back and try and get more equal numbers. 115/115 would be amazing. Here in these hills, torque is best to keep from constantly shifting. That might be why they put the quick shifter on it. The electronic wings are cool, but that's it really. Another gizmo to break and I doubt they offer any real benefit. I'd have rather had the extra gas storage they took from to add those silly wings on the tank. Would love a taller screen and quick detach touring bags option. I I see no mention of hydraulic valves, but I assume they did that. Adjusting valves is so 1980's...time to move on. Of course this is all just speculation on my part and pure opinion, sight unseen and unridden. But, I do for sure like it. It's absolutely beautiful and some of the best styling I've seen from Guzzi in a while. "New and bold" comes to mind. I hope they sell millions of them and have to open more dealerships :evil:.

Hoping to demo one someday at a dealer far, far, far away...

Everyone else seems to be reading it as a shorter length. I don't know why anyone would give cylinder height as a spec reference. But looking at photos with a rider on it no way that's what they meant.

As for power I partially share your fear. I mean personally I thought even the V85 moved the power to the rev range more than I personally like (though I assume it appeals to many).

But looking again 115/74 with 90% of that available by 3500 rpm should say one won't have to ride it in the upper half of the rpm range all the time.

Not to mention that 74 ft lbs is more than any of the 2V big blocks ever made (and almost as much as the 8V made) and they all made peak torque around 6000 rpm. I'm going to optimistically guess this won't be any more high strung than an 8V and might even be less so with all that power by 3500 rpm.

Lastly they already announced accessory quick detach bags that don't require separate mounts.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on November 26, 2021, 06:56:33 AM
I still think the front end is ugly.  But.  I have taken to the rest of the bike quite a bit and in person I’ll likely appreciate it more.  More controversial by far than the V100’s appearance, I too thought the white Roamer I used to own was crap in pics then in person I kind of fell in love.  Even to this day I still think it’s one of the nicest looking Geese among all the ones I’ve owned, surpassed only by the 1400 Eldo and the Grisos.  I hope Guzzi sells a bunch of these. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ToddK on November 26, 2021, 08:10:31 AM
I haven't had the chance to get through this entire thread yet. Do we know anything about pricing in the US yet? If not, any educated guesses available, home-schooled or otherwise?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 26, 2021, 08:19:57 AM
I haven't had the chance to get through this entire thread yet. Do we know anything about pricing in the US yet? If not, any educated guesses available, home-schooled or otherwise?

People are guessing $14-15,999 for the base bike (red pictured) and $17-18,999 for the deluxe model with ohlins, quick shifter, and upgraded electronics suite. The Aprilia and Ducati bikes with the semi-active ohlins setup cost about $3k more than the lower-tier bikes.  I am hoping $13,999 on the base, and $16,999 on the delux but thats just wishful thinking. 

They also have not announced the weight or seat height.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 26, 2021, 08:28:24 AM
Getting rid of the big dry clutch and bell housing is mostly where the 4" went. That and new design technology.
That's basicly 60 foot pounds at 3500 and figuring loss at the rear wheel that's still about 100HP & 51 FP that's great if the bike is close to as  light as the V85 was.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 26, 2021, 08:33:13 AM
Yes, it's 4" (103mm) shorter overall length than a v85. SHorter length not shorter height.

I'm actually surprised it's not more, considering losing the bell housing/flywheel/inline clutch.

My 2v/1100 breva only has claimed torque of 64 or 60 depending on where you look... and I hope the mandello will be about 30 lighter... so I dont see the issue with 77lb torque
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 26, 2021, 08:39:35 AM
You guys have to quit guesssing about the prices! They priced the V85 very well but if they get that high on a V1000 it will sell like turds on a hot day.
The Yamaha Tracer 9GT is $149999. They usually have parts and they have a real dealer network and it's a proven product. It might be the best comparisome to the V000 there is.

https://youtu.be/OadAsF5NB6Q
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on November 26, 2021, 08:43:03 AM
A couple of sites are reporting a seat height of 800mm (31.5 in) which may or may not be accurate.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzziboy66 on November 26, 2021, 08:58:35 AM
https://youtu.be/Y00X5f3PtVU (https://youtu.be/Y00X5f3PtVU)

I like the black painted pipes of the pre-production ones in the videos.
The wheels are beautiful.  The aftermarket is likely to offer wheels for it.
The rear disc brake seems unusally large to me.
The rear brake resevoir is accessible - Thank you MG.
The video linked above insicates an accessory caalog and, if I heard correctly, mentions luggage.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 26, 2021, 01:41:01 PM
I don't recall seeing the "front to back" measurement. Shorter means height to me, not length. Maybe I got it wrong too.

As I understand it, the engine/transmission assembly is 4-inches shorter in length than than the V85 small block.

That has allowed a longer swingarm, plus the new transmission has a lower output shaft, allowing a lower swingarm pivot point, doing away with the need for a floating bevel box.


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ToddK on November 26, 2021, 02:59:25 PM
Thanks gang!

That green looks pretty durn sweet. 💚
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2021, 03:15:50 PM
What do the winglets actually do ?
Seems a bit lame to me. I do know one thing for sure, a facelift thread on a V100 would not run nine pages... :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 26, 2021, 03:47:15 PM
You guys have to quit guesssing about the prices! They priced the V85 very well but if they get that high on a V1000 it will sell like turds on a hot day.
The Yamaha Tracer 9GT is $149999. They usually have parts and they have a real dealer network and it's a proven product. It might be the best comparisome to the V000 there is.

https://youtu.be/OadAsF5NB6Q

Wow, one hundred and forty nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine dollars. That is an expensive Yamaha.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 26, 2021, 03:51:17 PM
Wasn’t the statement that the V100 was 4” shorter (front to back), not top to bottom ?
I may have mis interpreted the comment.

I read it as shorter front to back which makes sense if you move the gearbox to below the crank centreline as opposed to behind the flywheel.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Griso8V on November 26, 2021, 04:52:26 PM
I really like the looks of the bike and I am glad that it does not look like an insect...
I am looking forward to checking it out "in person", but it looks very appealing to me from the pictures.   
My prediction cost wise will be between $18K to $20K.  Reality, welcome to the real world...
Tony C
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2021, 05:11:50 PM
Wow, one hundred and forty nine thousand nine hundred and ninety nine dollars. That is an expensive Yamaha.

Ciao
Hell yeah..
25% of an M1
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 26, 2021, 06:22:19 PM
What do the winglets actually do ?
Seems a bit lame to me. I do know one thing for sure, a facelift thread on a V100 would not run nine pages... :popcorn:

Guzzi claims a 22% reduction of wind to the rider and I believe they are triggered by a set speed.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on November 26, 2021, 06:42:56 PM
I believe the idea for the winglets is to avoid having to bolt a barn-door size windscreen to an otherwise gorgeous bike (IMHBDHO) by having the winglets divert airflow around the rider at speed?

I could be wrong, my  :thewife: is certain it happens all the time.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 26, 2021, 06:51:39 PM
I believe the idea for the winglets is to avoid having to bolt a barn-door size windscreen to an otherwise gorgeous bike (IMHBDHO) by having the winglets divert airflow around the rider at speed?

I could be wrong, my  :thewife: is certain it happens all the time.

I've seen these before when I worked on McDonald Douglas A4G Skyhawks. Deployed from the aft fuselage sides, worked off a switch on the thrust lever but they were called "speed brakes" LOL.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowings on November 26, 2021, 07:01:42 PM
As I stated in my post, this observation was rooted In My Brain Dead Hippie Opinon: YMMV
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LongRanger on November 27, 2021, 12:27:15 PM
Very much looking forward to seeing this bike. I swore off MG’s years ago due to local dealership incompetence and lack of support, but if I can manage to fit on this one (6’6”, 36” inseam), it’ll likely end up in my garage. Beautiful bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on November 27, 2021, 01:53:18 PM
Nice video from MotoBob.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9t7Z0VVCt8
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 27, 2021, 06:59:18 PM
LoneRanger,
At your size I'd suspect you need to mod almost any motorcycle you own.  Is that correct?  Your miles outside of the standard most OEM's use.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 27, 2021, 08:30:25 PM
As I understand it, the engine/transmission assembly is 4-inches shorter in length than than the V85 small block.

That has allowed a longer swingarm, plus the new transmission has a lower output shaft, allowing a lower swingarm pivot point, doing away with the need for a floating bevel box.

That's how I am reading it. Looking forward to seeing one in the 'flesh'
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LongRanger on November 28, 2021, 12:21:13 AM
It depends on the bike. My RT with lowered foot pegs fits like a glove, but other bikes that I’d enjoy owning, like a V7 850, are simply too cramped. And my days of enjoying sport-bike ergos are behind me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 28, 2021, 11:57:04 AM
It depends on the bike. My RT with lowered foot pegs fits like a glove, but other bikes that I’d enjoy owning, like a V7 850, are simply too cramped. And my days of enjoying sport-bike ergos are behind me.

I found my V7 III cramped until I put longer shocks and stiffer fork springs in. That improved things considerably but the V85TT is even better. The higher seat height means I need to horse mount it (use the footpeg) because of my back to get my leg over but that's a minor inconvenience.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on November 29, 2021, 02:17:51 AM
If it was all about spec sheets x cost we'd all be riding around on 4 cylinder Japanese 1000s..... There's a significant proportion of the world wide motorcycle riding population that doesn't give a hoot about the numbers. Look at the sales of Royal Enfield 650s....here in the UK (a very mature and affluent market) they are either the second most, or number one bike over 500cc sold. And the number one is the GS1250 - which itself is not a spec sheet leader by any means.

Maybe the US market is different, but the love of outright power and speed passed a few years ago here, same in mainland Europe.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 29, 2021, 08:51:53 AM
Yes, but BMW's R1250RS makes more torque from just above idle (3,000rpm) than the Guzzi does at maximum (..this rising to 143 Nm / 105 lb-ft  @ 6,250rpm).  Absolute power is higher too: 136hp @ only 7,750rpm.  Unless it's substantially lighter the Guzzi is likely to trail the BMW in the inevitable comparison tests, and because these bikes are pitched at the very same customers, any 'newbies' to the marque could be hard won.

Riding the 1200RS, they do get it.  They approach sportbike power.  But it's also 200cc bigger.  That can give more useable power with little sacrifice other than perhaps lost agility due  to additional weight, stiffness and wider tires to contain the torque.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on November 29, 2021, 09:09:54 AM
I really like the looks of the bike and I am glad that it does not look like an insect...
I am looking forward to checking it out "in person", but it looks very appealing to me from the pictures.   
My prediction cost wise will be between $18K to $20K.  Reality, welcome to the real world...
Tony C

Yup, the higher-spec Ohlins-suspended version will have an MSRP of at least $19,995.00. Several years ago the MGX21's MSRP was very close to that number and it was not a clean sheet design ($$$).
Hoping that the standard version is a bit less but MG has never been the cheapest - compared to the competition.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 29, 2021, 09:32:46 AM
No way in hell it will be $20k+
They wont sell 3 at that price....  I have a deposit down on one already, but that will quickly be withdrawn and turned into a new Speed Twin if the V100 costs that much.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 29, 2021, 09:40:52 AM
A similarly equipped 1250rs is starts north of $22,000, I don’t see Guzzi going there.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Nick on November 29, 2021, 12:52:08 PM
15 years ago the MSRP for the Norge was $15K. Yep, 20K for the "premium" V100 could be a possibility  :bike-037:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 29, 2021, 01:17:47 PM
It's possible, but I don't think Guzzi  has the cachet right now to ask that kind of money, and they know it.  Guzzi is not BMW, even if they make a bike that turns out to be better than anything in it field, they still will be somewhat ham strung by their perceived short comings.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on November 29, 2021, 03:21:12 PM
Just to add to Nick's comment,

I believe a 2003 V11 Lemans Rosso Corsa with the Ohlin's' had a MSRP of $ 13,900 +   

??? we shall see. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sidecarnutz on November 29, 2021, 03:33:01 PM
A minor hijack here.  For EICMA Moto Guzzi developed a special version of the V85 for the Cuirassiers of Italy’s Presidential Honor Guard, which presents quite elegantly in black graphics with white accents:


(https://advrider.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/2022-MOTO-GUZZI-V85-TT-GUARDIA-D-ONORE-3-scaled.jpg)

My bad, I saw this was posted earlier.

What happened to its B&W "skunk" seat? ;-) This could be the next California!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Luap McKeever on November 29, 2021, 03:43:21 PM
$13,000 in 2003 would be roughly $19,000 today according to my math with compounded and current inflation rates.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on November 29, 2021, 03:51:25 PM
$13,000 in 2003 would be roughly $19,000 today according to my math with compounded and current inflation rates.

Hmm... :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 29, 2021, 03:56:10 PM
$13,000 in 2003 would be roughly $19,000 today according to my math with compounded and current inflation rates.

Minus income tax on interest earned on savings included?

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 29, 2021, 04:10:30 PM
You guys are comparing a grape to an apple!
It's a 1000cc Guzzi and was never meant to compete with a 1250cc BMW. Hopefully they never will try as I sure as hell don't want all that usless, expensive BS the Germans add on to inflate their prices.
None of those over priced Guzzi's listed above ever sold at the ridiculous retail prices they first came out at. At best I bet they averaged selling at 30% off sticker 3-5 years after sitting on a dealer's floor.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 29, 2021, 04:23:48 PM
Yes, and no Vagrant.  Many folks who wanted their bike on their own time, paid MSRP or close to it.  I enjoy getting a killer deal, like most folks, but I'm not always willing to wait 3 years!  The day is coming for us all, when there won't be a next year, but I don't want to make you cry, so I'll move on.   

It's a lot of fun to be the first in your area with a paticualr new bike, if you haven't had the experience, try it!   And often to be among the first, you have to pay a little for it, so what, it's worth it, if you feel it's so!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: weevee on November 29, 2021, 04:34:18 PM
It's a 1000cc Guzzi and was never meant to compete with a 1250cc BMW.

It will have to if they want it to sell to non Guzzisti.  What else is it meant to compete with?  Anyone wanting a twin-cylinder, shaft-drive, traditional-type (..ie. non 'adventure') sports-tourer will be looking at both, surely.   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 29, 2021, 04:48:05 PM
Well, maybe.  Look at the success of the V85.  Lower specs that a lot of the competition but very good sales for a Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on November 29, 2021, 04:56:13 PM
It will have to if they want it to sell to non Guzzisti.  What else is it meant to compete with?  Anyone wanting a twin-cylinder, shaft-drive, traditional-type (..ie. non 'adventure') sports-tourer will be looking at both, surely.   

Totally disagree here. A Guzzi is 90% a niche brand somewhat like a Ducati. Bikes at this end of the market are primarily an emotional buy and bought by older more affluent riders that aren't going to be focused on the HP and Torque figures as long as it's perceived to have an adequate amount.
Young guys/gals riding the latest hypersports bike are going to be pouring over the spec sheet at engine performance numbers but not in this category. More likely to be concerned about dealer availability, reliability, etc but at the end of the day all things being relatively in the same ball park, style and the affinity with the brand and it's country of origin will make the choice depending on the particular riders perceptions. In other words emotion will be the decider one way or another.
Take it from the guy that said the Ducati Monster would never sell when it was released, LOL.

Ciao     
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: normzone on November 29, 2021, 05:03:26 PM
When I opened this thread for the first time just now, beneath the fourth sentence ...

COMPACT, SPORTY, AND DYNAMIC, IT RIDES LIKE A ROADSTER, BUT WITH THE COMFORT AND TRAVEL VOCATION TYPICAL OF THE BEST TOURERS

... appeared the ad and image for that yellow 2021 Volkswagen van.

I spent a while trying to decide who was pranking whom before I realized I was looking at an inserted ad.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 29, 2021, 06:22:40 PM
I find my will crumbling....... Those 'aero wings' look interesting and if as effective as Guzzi claims would negate my wanting a Norge type fairing.  Now just waiting to see what the integrated luggage will look like.

To justify and afford, I am going to put my Griso, Stornello and 1200 Sport on Riders Share. A couple guys I know in the DC area do this and had a good experience. This in my warped thinking will help keep SWMBO happy (well happier) ;-)  This would put me at 8 total bikes....... I really don't want to give one up, and what I have serves all my needs other than a 'new' low mileage bike with all the safety features.  If I did this, I would take all the touring accessories off the 1200 Sport as it is my LD bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 30, 2021, 08:10:11 AM
Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 30, 2021, 09:25:46 AM
None of those over priced Guzzi's listed above ever sold at the ridiculous retail prices they first came out at. At best I bet they averaged selling at 30% off sticker 3-5 years after sitting on a dealer's floor.

True, I ended up with a brand new 03 Rosso Corsa for $10K from a now gone dealer in Kansas City which I bought sight unseen and shipped to NYC for $400 bucks.  And the only reason I bought it was because I couldn’t get an MGS/01.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 30, 2021, 09:26:59 AM
Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.

I know this has been quite a saga for you... have you looked into your state's lemon law?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 30, 2021, 11:18:40 AM
I was told it didn't apply to bikes but, I'm not sure I believe that. I need to see if I can find out.
I finally got to talk to a Piaggio rep today and he is reviewing it. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 30, 2021, 11:27:02 AM
I was told it didn't apply to bikes but, I'm not sure I believe that. I need to see if I can find out.
I finally got to talk to a Piaggio rep today and he is reviewing it. Fingers crossed.

Did you buy it in Georgia? If so, sorry, no.

https://consumer.georgia.gov/resolve-your-dispute/georgia-lemon-law

Quote
The Lemon Law does not cover all types of vehicles – Motorcycles, mopeds, all-terrain vehicles, boats, trucks with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 12,000 pounds, and vehicles that are not self-propelled (e.g., trailers, campers) are not covered by the Lemon Law.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 30, 2021, 11:30:45 AM
I just got off my asss and looked that up also.
BUT! I actually bought it in North Carolina but registered it in Ga. So, maybe, this might apply.

NC DOJ
Protecting Consumers
Automobiles
Lemon Law
Lemon Law
The North Carolina Lemon Law, also known as the New Motor Vehicles Warranties Act (N.C.G.S. 20-351), applies to new passenger cars, pick-up trucks, motorcycles and most vans bought in North Carolina. It requires manufacturers to repair defects that affect the use, value, or safety of a new motor vehicle within the first 24 months or 24,000 miles (whichever comes first).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kev m on November 30, 2021, 11:52:45 AM
I just got off my asss and looked that up also.
BUT! I actually bought it in North Carolina but registered it in Ga. So, maybe, this might apply.

NC DOJ
Protecting Consumers
Automobiles
Lemon Law
Lemon Law
The North Carolina Lemon Law, also known as the New Motor Vehicles Warranties Act (N.C.G.S. 20-351), applies to new passenger cars, pick-up trucks, motorcycles and most vans bought in North Carolina. It requires manufacturers to repair defects that affect the use, value, or safety of a new motor vehicle within the first 24 months or 24,000 miles (whichever comes first).

Good luck!    :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 30, 2021, 12:12:37 PM
Yeah I believe it's any vehicle sold/purchased in NC, not confined to NC residents...  Where did you buy it? Team Charlotte?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: henwilv on November 30, 2021, 03:04:02 PM
As I understand it, the engine/transmission assembly is 4-inches shorter in length than than the V85 small block.

That has allowed a longer swingarm, plus the new transmission has a lower output shaft, allowing a lower swingarm pivot point, doing away with the need for a floating bevel box.

My T3 doesn't have a floating bevel box either and it feels just fine  :angel:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Frenchfrog on November 30, 2021, 03:14:14 PM
Your T 3 makes 50 horses on a good day !
It's great to see they seem to have found a way around floating the bevel but I really wonder how it will compare to the CARC in that respect.My gut feeling is that they have gone for simplicity and cheapness on this .If my gut is true, then it's a crying shame as the carc is bullet proof.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on November 30, 2021, 04:31:30 PM
I sure hope it is priced above what I am willing to pay.  The more videos I watch the more it is growing on me.  It will have a lot of competition based on all the bikes out there with similar ergonomics. 

I look at value when I am shopping for a bike.  Like, why would I buy a Triumph Tiger 900 GT over a Yamaha Tracer 9. 

What made me choose the V7III over the competition was that it was the only bike with a shaft drive and the least plastic parts. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on November 30, 2021, 04:57:26 PM
Mayor, yes. Tee there gave me a good price on the bike and a hell of a trade price on my Versys. Of course he had been stuffed to the gills by the Guzzi salesman and it was the start of - at the time.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 30, 2021, 05:36:29 PM
I remember seeing Luap's bike in the shop for months.........  Perhaps the last guy in the world I'd do that to if I were them. 

And the owner of the service shop would inquire about long term parts orders one day and then get called by someone else there who would ask why the bike wasn't finished. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on November 30, 2021, 06:09:08 PM
Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.

Which is why there are certain bikes / brands that I wouldn't own if I could only have one bike, and why I am trying really hard not to put two Moto Guzzis in my garage.  It has become clear to me that many people put up with known issues with many brands because of emotional attachment.  Not me.  Leave a sour taste in my mouth and I am gone. 

I hope you get your issues resolved to your satisfaction. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jas67 on November 30, 2021, 06:19:05 PM
There's a lot I like about this bike. A lot.

But like others have eluded, I don't like that torque number either. 115HP/74 ft-lb? 90% achieved at 3500RPM with red line of 9500RPM?....That's not good at all in my book. Sounds like a high revving metric that goes nowhere. I would have rather had it the other way around. Or maybe instead of bragging on 4" shorter cylinders than a V85, go ahead and add that 4" back and try and get more equal numbers. 115/115 would be amazing.

115 ft-lb would require more like 1500cc than 1000cc.   That is 700# heavy cruiser territory.
This is a sporting Guzzi.   I think that the numbers are spot-on for 1000cc, and would be very happy with this bike.  I do have to admit, if they wanted to go head-to-head with the R1250RS, then should've made it  1200-1250cc.   That said, even though I have a R1200RS, which makes 125hp / 84 ft*lb, I will still consider this as a replacement for it.    I'll have to test ride to know for sure.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 30, 2021, 09:42:35 PM
115 pounds-feet will eat up a tire at a fairly quick rate.
Also, I know owners of every brand under the sun.  believe it or not the only one (brand) that has not suffered a stranded ride is the 650 Royal Enfield, and that's too small a time sample.

My Rocket III dyno'd at 148 pounds-feet at the rear wheel.  Destroyed a 240 rear every 3K.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on December 01, 2021, 12:43:36 PM

I've merged the V100 EICMA thread into the V100 Mandello threadfest.

We can keep the V100 chat contained here until they start hitting the streets next year.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on December 01, 2021, 12:47:38 PM
I can see Rocker riding that new bike.   :bike-037:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on December 01, 2021, 12:51:01 PM
I can see Rocker riding that new bike.   :bike-037:

 :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jwinwi on December 01, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
I've merged the V100 EICMA thread into the V100 Mandello threadfest.

We can keep the V100 chat contained here until they start hitting the streets next year.

Good idea! But who won Bad Chad's HP and Torque contest?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: tazio on December 01, 2021, 04:25:34 PM
I can see Rocker riding that new bike.   :bike-037:
I can see Rocker experiencing one of these...
(https://i.ibb.co/XCmKd3G/20210820-103508.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XCmKd3G)

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on December 01, 2021, 04:32:00 PM
Taz, Darren's looks just like that one, from bikini fairing to the tailpack.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on December 01, 2021, 06:37:18 PM
Chad, I had the first or second V85 and V7III in the area. Yep, paid full boat and then some.
The V85 has been sitting behind the dealers for the last three months with a piece of plastic over the hole that should have a cylinder on it. NO Parts! No idea when and neither the dealer or I think the parts ordered will fix the existing problem.
No, I won't elaborate at this time. I'm hopping Piaggio steps up and helps me out. Having a new bike you can't ride sucks.

What did I miss?  I remember you talking about a stumble some point back, but not that you had a failure. What happened? Dropped valve? Burned Valve Seat?  That stinks, I know you were piling the miles on.

Overall though I think the V85 has been a stellar launch and mostly problem free other than the rear hub seal. Here's hoping the V100 is similar and not like the hydro or early 8V or other fiasco's
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on December 01, 2021, 10:29:27 PM
What did I miss?  I remember you talking about a stumble some point back, but not that you had a failure. What happened? Dropped valve? Burned Valve Seat?  That stinks, I know you were piling the miles on.

Overall though I think the V85 has been a stellar launch and mostly problem free other than the rear hub seal. Here's hoping the V100 is similar and not like the hydro or early 8V or other fiasco's

And the gearbox oil incorrectly filled causing failures and the stumbling issue in this thread rectified by an updated part and the leaking hub seal. Don't know about most people but that's a bit short of a stellar record for mine. I'm a hard marker I admit. Then there's the stuff that's captured before delivery and addressed on the PD that the owner never sees. 

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on December 02, 2021, 06:44:47 AM
Good idea! But who won Bad Chad's HP and Torque contest?  :popcorn:

Several people correctly guessed 115hp, IDK if anyone guessed 115hp/77fp
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on December 02, 2021, 08:12:26 AM
I'm slowly putting together a "final" between those that guessed right on the money.    I should have it together soon.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on December 02, 2021, 08:49:37 AM
maybe guess the claimed weight is a good tiebreaker, Chad?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on December 02, 2021, 09:22:58 AM
BD, I've been quiet about it as I am in contact with Guzzi to get it resolved. Short version, the stumbling got way worse and it was unsafe to ride. Wayne said it was demon possed!
I'll respond when it's fixed.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on December 02, 2021, 10:53:31 AM
I wonder if you will be able to mount running lights to the exhaust covers, or if engine guards will hide the exhaust a little bike.  I'm sure I will get used to them, but they are the only item that stands out as odd to me.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: M0T0Geezer on December 02, 2021, 11:50:15 AM
Well, hello again.  I've been gone for awhile.  Sold my '07 Norge and now riding a '14 CTX700 DCT. Long story.

An email from Guzzi about the New V100 Mandello has revived my faltering pulse.

What a revolutionary new motor! 115 hp from 1 liter with the exhaust coming out the "bottom" of the cylinders instead of the front.  Looks wrong but I could get used to it.

Lets hope they get the plumbing, cams, followers, rear end, and electrical gremlins from prior new issues all sorted before they allow actual sales.

My favorite bike of all time was my 2004 Guzzi Breva - 750cc of trouble-free for 50,000 miles.  :thumb:

My 2007 Norge was magnificent, but plagued with rear end and electrical gremlins.    :angry:

Be well, ride safe my friends.

'Geezer    https://www.dansher.com/mywheels.htm (https://www.dansher.com/mywheels.htm)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on December 02, 2021, 09:26:15 PM
I wonder if you will be able to mount running lights to the exhaust covers, or if engine guards will hide the exhaust a little bike.  I'm sure I will get used to them, but they are the only item that stands out as odd to me.

I'd go with fork mounted running lights.  I can't imagine the shields are stout enough to handle the lights with no vibration.  Then, there is the heat...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on December 03, 2021, 07:04:45 AM
And the gearbox oil incorrectly filled causing failures and the stumbling issue in this thread rectified by an updated part and the leaking hub seal. Don't know about most people but that's a bit short of a stellar record for mine. I'm a hard marker I admit. Then there's the stuff that's captured before delivery and addressed on the PD that the owner never sees. 

Ciao

Meh, subjective....... For a brand new model, these are all minor. Pretty good for Moto Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on December 03, 2021, 02:40:15 PM
Meh, subjective....... For a brand new model, these are all minor. Pretty good for Moto Guzzi.

All minor until it's yours that's having the issues and repeated returns to the dealer for warranty work. Generally a different perspective then.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: henwilv on December 03, 2021, 02:46:38 PM
Jeez, you’re right.
They both have a wheel on each end, it’s uncanny..

Well said!!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Canuck750 on December 03, 2021, 10:35:58 PM
I had a good chat this week with the owner of the local Guzzi dealer (Aprilia, Vespa, Yamaha, Suzuki as well), he is really pumped about the new V100, importer has told him to expect delivery this spring, perhaps as early as May, price not yet confirmed. He has promised me a demo ride as soon as the V100 hits the floor. The owner is a real Italian bike fan and we have been kicking around me trading him one or two of my vintage bikes for a  new Guzzi when the right model shows up for my tastes / needs, I think the V100 may be just what ticks all the boxes.

He is equally excited about the new Aprilia Toureg dual purpose bike, its going to retail about $1000 over the Yamaha Tenere 700 but the Aprilia has a lot more to offer with  more hp and torque, lower weight, more tech etc... sounds like it could be a rwal winner as well.

I was impressed to hear that for 2021 the dealership has sold more V85 TT's than anything Yamaha or Suzuki has to offer that comes close to the style and spec, that's real good news for Guzzi around these parts.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on December 04, 2021, 02:05:11 AM
Pete aka "Street" from the Griso Ghetto Forum created this nice image ... ;-)

(https://i.servimg.com/u/f48/18/85/41/54/griso_18.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18854154/1712)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on December 04, 2021, 09:18:20 AM
I really, really like that.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on December 04, 2021, 09:41:25 AM
Nice ,but not sure the tank would fit with all the intake stuff going on between the vee on that new motor
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: smdl on December 05, 2021, 09:50:24 AM
Nice ,but not sure the tank would fit with all the intake stuff going on between the vee on that new motor

That's okay -- they could just reduce the Griso's fuel capacity somewhat.  Oh, wait a minute...  :grin:

Cheers,
Shaun
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on December 05, 2021, 10:42:50 AM
I really, really like that.
kk
Relax, it's just a picture.
But it would be really, really nice to see that new drivetrain in a Stelvio.  :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on December 08, 2021, 01:13:41 PM
https://www.motociclismo.it/novita-moto-guzzi-2022-79841 (https://www.motociclismo.it/novita-moto-guzzi-2022-79841)

Motociclismo reporting OCTOBER 2022 release and a 11,600 Euro sale price
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on December 08, 2021, 01:16:54 PM
If so, that should mean a sub $11,000 starting point for USA.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on December 08, 2021, 01:18:49 PM
If so, that should mean a sub $11,000 starting point for USA.

How do you figure, Chad? The Euro has been slightly more than the US Dollar for some time now, no?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on December 08, 2021, 02:08:09 PM
How do you figure, Chad? The Euro has been slightly more than the US Dollar for some time now, no?

not a straight currency conversion...  I think the euro price has to include taxes and fees etc... Maybe even VAT 17%(?)

for instance US MSRP on a '21 V7 Stone is $8990 but the Euro MSRP is 9090 euros.

I just hope it comes sooner than october, damn!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on December 08, 2021, 03:47:25 PM
I said $12k for the base model. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on December 08, 2021, 04:07:23 PM
Pete aka "Street" from the Griso Ghetto Forum created this nice image ... ;-)

(https://i.servimg.com/u/f48/18/85/41/54/griso_18.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/18854154/1712)

Now if they will do a California model with floorboards and a windshield that works I think that I would be interested.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on December 08, 2021, 04:10:32 PM
I've already carved out space for one in the garage when it becomes available...hoping to see someone carry it soon...sort of doubtful it will be anyone in Houston, most likely AF1 in Austin.  Can't wait to ride one!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: mojohand on January 20, 2022, 08:35:25 AM
Three things I'm interested in:

I do know that other questions arise (will Bags-Connection attachments exist? Will Givi universal topcase work? Is there even a luggage rack?). For me, though, the three questions above are really important to me.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on January 20, 2022, 08:52:35 AM
Three things I'm interested in:
  • Panniers: What do they look like, how do they mount/unmount, and how much do they carry?
  • Center stand: As a sport-touring bike, the V100 will encounter nails and screws and other debris that require plugging tires. No centerstand increases the difficulty of roadside repair.
  • Service training: How is Moto Guzzi scheduling training for dealer technicians? With a brand-new engine (cooling, especially), how do they plan to achieve this critical-for-early-adopters training?

I do know that other questions arise (will Bags-Connection attachments exist? Will Givi universal topcase work? Is there even a luggage rack?). For me, though, the three questions above are really important to me.

1. It is not in the official release info, and ponderously, not one 'youtube vlogger' or moto mag reporter seems to have taken a pic under there at EICMA....  BUT, I read in one of the write-ups (possibly one I had to translate from Italian) that there are bag attatchment points under the tail for a not-yet-revealed set of factory integrated luggage. Take that for what it is worth!

2. I am concerned about this too... tire plugs, tire changes, and valve adjustments are all so much easier with a stand... I have studied every pic that has come out as closely as possible... lacking lower frame rails, there just doesnt seem to be anywhere for a center stand to mount. I am guessing they will not offer it as an option or accessory.. I hope the aftermarket figures something out! (in the SDV thread, Roper seems to believe it will have some sort of hydro valves that dont require adjustments tho FWIW).

3. No idea, and that in and of itself is not very confidence inspiring.  Might not be a big deal for those who buy their bike thru a multi-line dealer that also carries Aprilia... But for those of us who buy from a smaller dealer thats maybe a multi-line powersports type outfit, it is deff a concern!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phil/TX on February 14, 2022, 07:30:09 PM
Just hoping that it’s around 450 lbs or less, if so it’s in my garage. Had a call from AF1, asking if I want to put money down on one, told them I have a knee replacement due in March, if I wake up, I’ll put money down, and sell one or two bikes.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on February 14, 2022, 08:03:22 PM
Just hoping that it’s around 450 lbs or less, if so it’s in my garage. Had a call from AF1, asking if I want to put money down on one, told them I have a knee replacement due in March, if I wake up, I’ll put money down, and sell one or two bikes.

Oooh...how tempting indeed!  Do they have any more concrete info on how many they think they'll get as an allotment?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: audiowize on February 17, 2022, 10:06:25 AM
Is anyone else concerned that the weight of this machine still doesn't seem to be posted anywhere? 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on February 17, 2022, 11:06:47 AM
Is anyone else concerned that the weight of this machine still doesn't seem to be posted anywhere?

Oh, definitely!
It was on my mind early on, thanks for reminding me  :grin:


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on February 17, 2022, 11:26:30 AM
My guess would be around 215kg (475lbs) wet, ish.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 17, 2022, 03:19:38 PM
510 lb gassed. no bags.  take it to the bank.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on February 17, 2022, 06:05:55 PM
510 lb gassed. no bags.  take it to the bank.

So, is that a fact, or a guess?

I'd be disappointed with that figure - but not overly surprised.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mr Revhead on February 17, 2022, 06:26:39 PM
I would be utterly astounded if its that heavy. That's Cali EV weight. No way the V100 will weigh that much
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 17, 2022, 06:39:47 PM
He's guessing, no one, outside the walls of the Guzzi factory knows yet, hope that changes soon.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phil/TX on February 17, 2022, 07:26:48 PM
510 may be close, hope that’s wet, V 85 463 dry, 534 wet with panniers.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on February 17, 2022, 08:41:39 PM
I’m guessing 505 lb wet.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 17, 2022, 09:15:27 PM
So, is that a fact, or a guess?

I'd be disappointed with that figure - but not overly surprised.

my guess, why disappointed?  Heck my Duc 917 is about 450 gassed.  Feels very light. 

With 1000cc/110+ HP, what the problem?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 17, 2022, 09:17:19 PM
I would be utterly astounded if its that heavy. That's Cali EV weight. No way the V100 will weigh that much

EV is 600+ lb  (no bags)

V11 Sport is 540 lb
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mr Revhead on February 17, 2022, 10:26:12 PM
EV is 600+ lb  (no bags)

V11 Sport is 540 lb

EV might get that heavy with full bags. They are listed at  250kgs with empty bags. I'm talking Tonti EV, not the 1400.
I cannot see how the V100 could weight that much. I reckon 200kgs is more like it. There is a lot of alloy in the engine/gearbox and swingarm. The steel frame is quite small.
Either way, for the size about power, it's going to be about right.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on February 17, 2022, 10:56:34 PM
EV might get that heavy with full bags. They are listed at  250kgs with empty bags. I'm talking Tonti EV, not the 1400.
I cannot see how the V100 could weight that much. I reckon 200kgs is more like it. There is a lot of alloy in the engine/gearbox and swingarm. The steel frame is quite small.
Either way, for the size about power, it's going to be about right.

Your memory is rounding down.  Full of fuel and ready to ride, an EV is near 600 lbs.

Make Model   Moto Guzzi California 1100 EV

Dry Weight   251.0 kg / 553.3 lbs
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on February 18, 2022, 01:56:04 AM
My guess of 215kg wet is based on a few factors.

Engine is much lighter and loses the heavy flywheel and clutch assembly. Lightweight wheels, the engine is 4.1 inches shorter than the V85 TT and it has a lightweight tubular steel frame.

The V85TT weighs 210 kg / 463 lbs dry and the V100 should be lighter but we'll see.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 18, 2022, 02:23:13 AM
My guess of 215kg wet is based on a few factors.

Engine is much lighter and loses the heavy flywheel and clutch assembly. Lightweight wheels, the engine is 4.1 inches shorter than the V85 TT and it has a lightweight tubular steel frame.

The V85TT weighs 210 kg / 463 lbs dry and the V100 should be lighter but we'll see.
It has to be lighter.
It’s got bigger holes where the pistons go... :rolleyes: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on February 18, 2022, 06:53:11 AM
It has to be lighter.
It’s got bigger holes where the pistons go... :rolleyes: :popcorn:

 :grin: :grin: Go on Huzo, hazard a guess.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on February 18, 2022, 10:06:07 AM
215kg? I'd really like that, but no way.

I'd say at least 230kg-ish like the V7 850.
And that's all I dare to hope! I fear it will be heavier...

@Huzo:  :laugh: But if compression is higher, maybe that increases weight again?  :wink:

Cheers,
D.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on February 18, 2022, 10:46:15 AM
EV is 600+ lb  (no bags)

V11 Sport is 540 lb

If it's lighter or equal in weight to a V11, and has more horsepower, it will be a winning sporty combination.  Does it really matter if it's 500 lbs or 490 or 510? 

Personally, I think it's going to be lightning fast compared to any other Guzzi model out there...and that's far faster than most people ride anyway...I can't wait to get on one and ride it!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on February 18, 2022, 12:22:16 PM
Please y’all, don’t get Peter riled up😂

Dan
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 18, 2022, 12:27:37 PM
Please y’all, don’t get Peter riled up😂

Dan
Hard though it is to believe Dan, I’m not sure that I wouldn’t pick Dave Swanson’s V11 ahead of a V100 if I could ride away on either one.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 18, 2022, 01:30:41 PM
How can you say that when neither you or anyone you know has ridden one?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on February 18, 2022, 01:44:33 PM
Classic vs new, I'd guess.  Given either one, I'd take the classic.  Not that I don't care for the new bike-I DO!-but classic is, well, classic.  And if classic matters then classic wins............... ..or something like that.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 18, 2022, 01:54:08 PM
How can you say that when neither you or anyone you know has ridden one?
Because I choose not to have one.
The things that make me not want to own one are not related to features or performance. I’m happy for anyone who gets one and I trust that they will be very happy.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 18, 2022, 01:58:40 PM
Classic vs new, I'd guess.  Given either one, I'd take the classic.  Not that I don't care for the new bike-I DO!-but classic is, well, classic.  And if classic matters then classic wins............... ..or something like that.
No KoF, it’s EXACTLY like that.
Moto Guzzi needs the V100 (and it’s eventual variants), to survive...I don’t.
I will certainly take the first opportunity to ride one that I can though.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 18, 2022, 02:07:30 PM
Ok, I get it.

I just can’t imagine having both in front of me and being told, ride them both, and take the one you like home.   Then responding,  “ no thanks, not really interested, I’m just going to take the v11, I know I really like that bike. “. (Shrug)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 18, 2022, 02:26:46 PM
Ok, I get it.

I just can’t imagine having both in front of me and being told, ride them both, and take the one you like home.   Then responding,  “ no thanks, not really interested, I’m just going to take the v11, I know I really like that bike. “. (Shrug)
Yep.
The V100 in it’s unknown state comes with major advantages and the possibility of major dramas. I don’t think for a moment that they will materialise, but I see the V100 as a huge leap across a hitherto un navigated abyss.
Whereas the older platforms have been a long series of developmental increments..(like the GS BMW’s), safe baby steps if you will.
If I was younger and not already enamoured with my Norge, I’d have placed my deposit already. I want the new breed of V100 riders to look disdainfully at my Norge and power wheelie away into the distance..We will both be happy, I wish them well.
I won’t have time to wear the V100 out, before electric bikes have made major inroads into the landscape.

 I’ll be happy if my last motorcycle memories are on the Norge.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jorg66 on February 19, 2022, 11:42:00 AM
@  HUZO .And your V85 !?
I'll for myself will keep an eye on the V 100. But for now as long as i can handle the 1400 for two up ,it'll stay plus for 'play' the '18, V7 will do.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 19, 2022, 01:34:50 PM
@  HUZO .And your V85 !?
I'll for myself will keep an eye on the V 100. But for now as long as i can handle the 1400 for two up ,it'll stay plus for 'play' the '18, V7 will do.
Well Jorg66, considering the km’s are now being spread across 2 bikes, I can’t see why I’ll need another bike for the remainder.
The Norge has given no indication that it won’t do at least 250,000 k and the V85 is almost new @ 24,000 km, so there’s 200,000 odd km of riding left.
If I crashed my Norge and destroyed it, I don’t think I’d buy another. That would cajole me into a V100, but until then...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on March 02, 2022, 06:53:17 AM
Emailed my dealer this AM to pull my deposit on the V100.

I still want the bike, but with no info forthcoming and only the rumored *hope* that it will release in Sept/Oct 2022, I am going to relinquish my spot at the top of my dealer's wait list.  Doesnt make sense to take delivery on October (maybe) and then park the bike in my garage for 5 months while the warranty ticks away. Historically my bikes dont go from Nov-April, or maybe a couple rides snuck in if the weather is abnormally good. That's not how I want to spend the first half-year of my V100 ownership.

I'll have one, just maybe in spring 2023, and I wont be the first kid on the block to get theirs.

oh well, c'est la vie
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 02, 2022, 01:13:02 PM
When I was at a dealership we'd hold paperwork over winter until delivery so customer would get full warrentee coverage time.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 02, 2022, 02:21:05 PM
:grin: :grin: Go on Huzo, hazard a guess.
I couldn’t possibly..
The holes where the pistons go, are full of atmosphere @ BDC and I don’t have my periodic table with me.
Not knowing the atomic weight of Nitrogen and Oxygen leaves me unable to work it out.

But I’ll try...
I’ll say the electric version will be out in 2028 and it will weigh...........563 lbs. uncharged and 563 lbs. charged.

Electrons are massless and pop in and out of existence.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on March 02, 2022, 05:36:02 PM
I couldn’t possibly..
The holes where the pistons go, are full of atmosphere @ BDC and I don’t have my periodic table with me.
Not knowing the atomic weight of Nitrogen and Oxygen leaves me unable to work it out.

But I’ll try...
I’ll say the electric version will be out in 2028 and it will weigh...........563 lbs. uncharged and 563 lbs. charged.

Electrons are massless and pop in and out of existence.

I just thought they could be in 2 places at once.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 02, 2022, 10:18:39 PM
I just thought they could be in 2 places at once.

Ciao
That’s going to be a problem if you are trying to remember where you left it.
“I could have sworn I left it here...
Must be in the other place..”

Good old Heisenberg, always uncertain.. :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Smithy on April 16, 2022, 06:14:20 PM
Any new news on this thing hitting the streets.
The danger of a too early info release is the hype dies off and people move on but I have come back around to getting one of these and a 660 Toureg to replace my current GS1250.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ToddK on April 16, 2022, 06:16:46 PM
My local dealer said September.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on April 16, 2022, 06:25:43 PM
That’s great news..!
I’ll be in Mandello on Sep 6th, maggoted on red wine full of bullshit and bad manners.
Perfect fettle for a test thrash around the Lake.... :bike-037:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on April 17, 2022, 09:57:42 AM
That’s great news..!
I’ll be in Mandello on Sep 6th, maggoted on red wine full of bullshit and bad manners.
Perfect fettle for a test thrash around the Lake.... :bike-037:

Perfect opportunity for a Euro Delivery plan.   But opportunity and Moto Guzzi seem mutually exclusive.   :sad:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: mojohand on April 18, 2022, 09:34:03 AM
My local dealer said September.

So probably November...saddling dealers with floorplan they have difficulty in selling until the spring.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on April 18, 2022, 03:25:22 PM
So probably November...saddling dealers with floorplan they have difficulty in selling until the spring.
They’d sell in 5 minutes at the local brothel around the corner in the middle of winter.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on April 18, 2022, 04:52:20 PM
Perfect opportunity for a Euro Delivery plan.   But opportunity and Moto Guzzi seem mutually exclusive.   :sad:

I did that twice with BMW in the 80's. The second time I travelled with my friend that did it with a Mk4 Le Mans he picked up at Agostinis in Mandello who were the conduit for the Guzzi scheme at the time. Sadly neither do it anymore. The BMW system had a dedicated division for it, the European delivery centre in Munich. Extremely professional as they were also doing it for cars as well so they needed to cater to the high end collecting top of the range cars as well.

Ciao 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jorg66 on April 20, 2022, 08:34:22 PM
Local Dealer here in MB told me yesterday , earliest we can expect the V100 here is Summer/Fall of '23.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ToddK on April 22, 2022, 09:36:44 PM
Makes my decision to go with the Ninja SX this year feel more solid. Will definitely look forward to checking one out next Summer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on April 23, 2022, 12:41:56 PM
Just had a test ride of the new Royal Enfield Classic 350 at my Guzzi-also-RE-dealer (lovely bike, btw).

We also had a chat about upcoming models.
He said there will be a handful of V100s for Mandello this September, rest of the world will follow 2023.
So pretty much in line with what Jorg66 reported.

Cheers,
D.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on April 24, 2022, 09:23:57 AM
Isn't the V100 Mandello the new water cooled bike that Guzzi announced last November (2021)? Will there be any updates or new colors for 2023 models? I don't know whether to expect a price increase for 2023, or a NOS discount.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on April 24, 2022, 09:38:31 AM
Now a ‘23 release?

What’s that veiled-buying process that some folks do, where they drive a Euro vehicle around Europe, then get it shipped to the U.S., as a used vehicle…saves $$, right?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on April 24, 2022, 11:21:52 AM
I talked to the Tech Rep here in the South a month ago, they were preparing for production. He said we should have them this fall in 2022.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jorg66 on April 24, 2022, 11:44:42 AM
Could very well be ,States first [Fall /Winter '22],than Canada [perhaps Spring] otherwise Summer of '23.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on April 24, 2022, 12:06:30 PM
That’s great news..!
I’ll be in Mandello on Sep 6th, maggoted on red wine full of bullshit and bad manners.
Perfect fettle for a test thrash around the Lake.... :bike-037:

We nixed our trip to Mandello as the factory/museum is only open an hour (if it was even going to be open) and it was a big diversion from where the wife and her sister wanted to go. A bit bummed, but it will be there. This trip is to celebrate my sister in laws wedding, and trip around Italy, so we are letting them pick the locations. They were wiling to go up to Como, but it would have taken away from time in Venice, that 5 village hike thing, and the Amalfi Coast.  I did manage to get the Ferrari museum onto the itinerary as we are going through Bologna.

All agree that next trip will include 3-4 days up in the Como area. Also need to make my way one of these days to Accettura my Grandmothers home village.

Do the Italians tolerate bad behavior? ;-)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on July 13, 2022, 08:23:07 PM
Crickets

Sort of starting to feel like Ipogriffo

 :shocked:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on July 13, 2022, 08:26:11 PM
Maybe they are waiting on parts from China.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on July 13, 2022, 08:56:08 PM
Too busy working on the 850x  :cool:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on July 13, 2022, 09:12:39 PM
EVERYTHING is in short supply.  Everything.  But just for sport, or spite, or whatever, let's all nail Guzzi to the cross for not having the bike here when WE want it.  Geez.  It's only a motorcycle.



We can't get the MATERIALS  to make kitchen cabinets-or get them in such short supply only 1/3 of orders get built.  Order TODAY and our BEST guess is around Jan 2023.  That's a GUESS.  Kitchen sink stuff?  You kidding?  EVERYTHING is back ordered.  Jobs are sitting there unfinished for months.  Can-Am Spyders are sitting on the floor, brand new, waiting for a few parts to get shipped to dealers so customers can FINALLY get their new ride.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on July 13, 2022, 09:26:08 PM
The '5 village hike thing' is the Chinque Terre - 5 pearls I believe. You MUST take time to enjoy that area but be sure to check the trails before you set out on foot. They're subject to washing out and closure.

Stunning views, fascinating architecture, good food and warm people made our trip unforgettable.


(https://i.ibb.co/fNFgWXT/Vernazza-Cinque-Terre-Liguria-Italy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fNFgWXT)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 13, 2022, 10:37:41 PM
let's all nail Guzzi to the cross
Can’t…. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Crosses are in short supply… :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on July 14, 2022, 01:21:53 AM
EVERYTHING is in short supply.  Everything.  But just for sport, or spite, or whatever, let's all nail Guzzi to the cross for not having the bike here when WE want it.  Geez.  It's only a motorcycle.



We can't get the MATERIALS  to make kitchen cabinets-or get them in such short supply only 1/3 of orders get built.  Order TODAY and our BEST guess is around Jan 2023.  That's a GUESS.  Kitchen sink stuff?  You kidding?  EVERYTHING is back ordered.  Jobs are sitting there unfinished for months.  Can-Am Spyders are sitting on the floor, brand new, waiting for a few parts to get shipped to dealers so customers can FINALLY get their new ride.

So the shortages aren't a totally bad thing then :grin:

Ciao 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 14, 2022, 03:11:07 AM
So the shortages aren't a totally bad thing then :grin:

Ciao
Touche’
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on July 14, 2022, 05:09:50 AM
The '5 village hike thing' is the Chinque Terre - 5 pearls I believe. You MUST take time to enjoy that area but be sure to check the trails before you set out on foot. They're subject to washing out and closure.

Stunning views, fascinating architecture, good food and warm people made our trip unforgettable.


(https://i.ibb.co/fNFgWXT/Vernazza-Cinque-Terre-Liguria-Italy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fNFgWXT)


We did it, was great. Hiked between all the villages.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on July 14, 2022, 05:21:13 AM
Can’t…. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Crosses are in short supply… :rolleyes:


Bahahaaaaa! :bow:  :thumb:

I think we are all chomping at the bit to see what the V100 will be like, but it helps no one to grouse about it or harangue the manufacturer. I doubt the big hats at corporate read WG, but I know that Toyota execs monitored to two main Tundra Forums, and felt pressured to get the new Tundra to market due to all the grousing (at least that is what a buddy who works at the San Antonio plant related to me). They rushed the factory transition to the new truck, and final development, and the rollout of the new TTV6 has been a mess.

Let Guzzi be. The V100 will (may) make it to market, some will hate it some will love it, some will be the Guinea pig of 1st year model, some will scoop up the leftovers at big discounts, some will stick with what they have, and all should be content. 99% of those on this forum have far more to be thankful for than many in the world, and complaining about a delayed motorcycle is just not worth the negativity. 

Am about to go pickup a trailer to drag the 1200 Sport and Convert to Kentucky for my move there. I sign into work and for my housing tomorrow at 9am..... :bike-037:

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on July 14, 2022, 05:56:23 AM
where are you going to be living in KY?  Be sure to come to the KY Rally in Sept.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on July 21, 2022, 11:02:44 AM
EVERYTHING is in short supply.  Everything.  But just for sport, or spite, or whatever, let's all nail Guzzi to the cross for not having the bike here when WE want it.  Geez.  It's only a motorcycle.



We can't get the MATERIALS  to make kitchen cabinets-or get them in such short supply only 1/3 of orders get built.  Order TODAY and our BEST guess is around Jan 2023.  That's a GUESS.  Kitchen sink stuff?  You kidding?  EVERYTHING is back ordered.  Jobs are sitting there unfinished for months.  Can-Am Spyders are sitting on the floor, brand new, waiting for a few parts to get shipped to dealers so customers can FINALLY get their new ride.

Birds of a feather.  Death by convenient excuse...

Victim of the "tech bubble":

(https://i.ibb.co/vJGyWCG/ippogrifo.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vJGyWCG)


Victim of the pandemic:

(https://i.ibb.co/tzM4Cjd/2022-Moto-Guzzi-V100-Mandello-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tzM4Cjd)



Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on July 21, 2022, 01:09:03 PM
The '5 village hike thing' is the Chinque Terre - 5 pearls I believe. You MUST take time to enjoy that area but be sure to check the trails before you set out on foot. They're subject to washing out and closure.

Stunning views, fascinating architecture, good food and warm people made our trip unforgettable.


(https://i.ibb.co/fNFgWXT/Vernazza-Cinque-Terre-Liguria-Italy.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fNFgWXT)


I took the ferry to visit a couple of the 5 villages and went for swim at one of the beaches.  Some our fellow travelers hiked the trails.  Each his own. 

(https://i.ibb.co/hck2P2D/P1030613.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hck2P2D)



(https://i.ibb.co/6nDPhm8/P1030601.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6nDPhm8)



(https://i.ibb.co/s6Pq7K3/P1030574.jpg) (https://ibb.co/s6Pq7K3)

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: acguzzi on July 21, 2022, 03:03:08 PM
1042cc according to the advertising
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 26, 2022, 11:54:25 AM
I found this posted on DueRuote, by Carlo Pettinato,  the following a a google trans.  Some new key info dropped in here and there.

In 2013 Moto Guzzi launched the California 1400, an all-new bike that replaced the good old 1100 model powered by the 1,064 cc engine. Basically, the Mandello cruiser was repositioned on the market, rising to the status of an elite "premium". A few years later, with the Bellagio's exit from the lists, the 935.6 cc engine retired, the last direct descendant of the beloved V2 family of the "big" series that had written the history of the eagle since the late 1960s. In fact, over the past decade an objective gap has gradually been created in the range of engines: there was the very successful V7 series based on the "small" engine and there was the maxi California 1400. There was no longer a nice "thousand", cubage considered by many to be perfect for a twin cylinder. Of course, the arrival of the V85 TT and the launch of the new generation of the V7, enhanced not only in the displacement (increased to 853 cc), have partially filled this void, but finally today this new 1,042 cc "compact block" arrives! And we say “finally” as Italians, as fans of the brand, as motorcyclists. Like the many readers who often write to us "but why doesn't Moto Guzzi make a nice thousand?". So, putting ourselves in our other role as journalists in constant contact with the top management of the great motorcycle manufacturers, we can say that we have often asked the same question in Moto Guzzi, on various occasions. And the answer, more or less, has always been: "You don't do it overnight". And we understand this very well, because we know the commitment, especially with an impending Euro6. Today that day has arrived and we see in the V100 Mandello the first model of a platform that over the years will be populated with nude, sporting and touristic interpretations, as in the days of California, Le Mans and SP 1000 of the 80s. Welcome, “compact block ".

Lorenzo Cascioli

There is only one centenary, and in Mandello del Lario they have decided to celebrate it properly: EICMA 2021, Moto Guzzi presents the V100 Mandello. It is a blend of tradition and modernity, but this V100 looks to the future, and from the past it brings only what fortifies it. Always dominating the scene, the 90 ° transverse V-twin, but redesigned from scratch.

Classic architecture, modern content. The Mandello is the first Guzzi to exploit the liquid-cooled platform known as the “compact block”. A totally new engine, and as the name implies, more compact than the air-cooled unit of the V85 TT. But the V100 is much more than its new V90 engine. It is the first Guzzi to adopt electronics with inertial platform, cornering ABS, semi-active suspension, quickshifter and more; but it is not just that either. The V100 is the first motorcycle in the world with adaptive aerodynamics. That's right: adaptive aerodynamics.

To learn more about this highly anticipated novelty, we visited Noale: which everyone knows as the Aprilia house, but which is also home to the research and development department for all the Piaggio Group motorcycles.

Diego Airoli, motorcycle product marketing manager
From the first to the last screw
Diego Arioli, product marketing manager for Aprilia and Moto Guzzi, welcomes us. “Mandello immediately posed itself as a great challenge. Immediately after the launch and initial success of the V85 TT, new input came from the top of the company. None other than the centenary bike, celebrated in 2021, which summarized 100 years of history but projected Guzzi into its second century of life, towards the future. An innovative bike, which did not enter into the wake of predefined segments, capable of surprising and bringing to light new technologies. A tough but challenging task, being able to experiment is always satisfying. First we asked ourselves what kind of bike we would like to create. It is no secret that the market is now hot when it comes to crossover and maxienduro, less so if you look at more traditional touring bikes. And the goal we set ourselves was this, to reverse the trend and bring new vitality to a segment that does not shine today. We therefore tried to combine the dynamic qualities of a roadster with the comfort and travel ability of a real tourer. Apparently antithetical characteristics, we wanted a bike with a slim front but at the same time protective for the rider. This is how the idea of ​​adaptive aerodynamics was born, which takes the form of two flaps - flaps - on the sides of the tank and an adjustable windscreen electronically even while driving. V100 is for us a transversal product, interesting both for the mature customer, perhaps nostalgic, who is looking for old standards in a motorcycle that he is fond of, and for the young user, who looks above all to fun, but does not disdain a comfortable motorcycle on distances. major. V100 is not compromised, V100 is a balance between two seemingly opposite worlds. His propensity to travel is not a minus, it is a plus. With this in mind, numerous accessories will be available such as an oversized windshield and large side cases. This adaptability does not detract from her in terms of dynamic qualities, this was clear to us from the very beginning of development. "

Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello: the eagle spreads its wings
On the other hand, Adriano Magherini, head of the engine project, talks to us about mechanics. “The reference to Moto Guzzi history is more evident here than elsewhere, the 90 ° transverse V architecture is now a trademark, but the unit that moves the V100 is new from A to Z. Compared to our traditional solution, the heads are rotated 90 °, so we have the intake above and the exhaust on the lower side. This helps us to improve the regularity of combustion at low revs, with all due respect to the most hardened Guzzi riders who will not digest the different curve of the manifolds. The transmission has also been redesigned from scratch, with the clutch in an oil bath and the slipper system which are new for Guzzi. Compared to the existing engines, this 'compact block', as we called it to differentiate it from the 'small block' of the V85 TT, is significantly smaller, the longitudinal dimensions are -103 mm, and more powerful. "

Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello: the eagle spreads its wings
Adaptive aerodynamics was a challenge for R&D Guzzi not only from a technical point of view in the strict sense, but also from that of aesthetic integration into the bike's silhouette. “V100 put us to the test because we had to and wanted to honor certain classic stylistic features of the brand, but putting them in a whole that had nothing nostalgic about it. In this, the modern solutions that we have integrated into the V100 have helped us ”tells us Giulio Rossi Paccani, representing the style center. "We had to take everything into account in defining the muscularity of the bike, as well as in that of the volumes, which cannot fail to consider the integration of the rider. Many bikes are beautiful when seen alone, but they are badly proportioned once the driver gets on the saddle ”.

Francesco Marchetta is the project leader of Mandello, the one who had to pull the strings of everything and put together idea and technique, style and concreteness, notoriously work departments that attract each other like two poles of the same sign ... "We started from a completely white sheet, ideas of the most disparate were brought to the table, they were really heard of all colors. Converting them into practice was not easy but above all from an aerodynamic point of view, the most innovative in absolute terms, we are satisfied with the result: the bike remains visually compact while offering air protection superior to that of a classic roadster. For us the result on the scale is also remarkable, we are between 20 and 25 kilos on top of an extreme naked like the Tuono V4 ”.

THE NEW COURSE
To say that the V100 Mandello is completely new is an understatement, we understand it. It is more correct to frame it as a motorcycle that marks a break with the Moto Guzzi past. The arrival in the dealerships is expected in October, as well as the official presentation to the press, but Dueruote had the privilege of getting on the V100 S (the most prized set-up, the one with semi-active Öhlins suspension and other amenities) in a pre -series, in fact a prototype at 99% of development: definitive in the livery - net of details such as the color of the handlebars - as well as in the technical and electronic equipment.


Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello: the eagle spreads its wings
A LONG SECTION OF HIGHWAY AND MANY BENDS ON THE VENETIAN MOUNTAINS: NOTHING BAD AS A FIRST CONTACT
LET'S START THE ENGINE
As promised, it is a comfortable bike, the right balance between sportiness and comfort, with a very neutral riding position: not upright like on a crossover but not even loaded on the front end like on a more extreme naked. The protagonist of the matter is always him, the 90 ° V in the middle. Right from the start it involves you with its gruff but at the same time peaceful and polite sound. The tonality is that unmistakable of the V-twin, with the shakes that are always there to keep you company at a minimum.
THE NEW COURSE
To say that the V100 Mandello is completely new is an understatement, we understand it. It is more correct to frame it as a motorcycle that marks a break with the Moto Guzzi past. The arrival in the dealerships is expected in October, as well as the official presentation to the press, but Dueruote had the privilege of getting on the V100 S (the most prized set-up, the one with semi-active Öhlins suspension and other amenities) in a pre -series, in fact a prototype at 99% of development: definitive in the livery - net of details such as the color of the handlebars - as well as in the technical and electronic equipment.


Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello: the eagle spreads its wings
A LONG SECTION OF HIGHWAY AND MANY BENDS ON THE VENETIAN MOUNTAINS: NOTHING BAD AS A FIRST CONTACT
LET'S START THE ENGINE
As promised, it is a comfortable bike, the right balance between sportiness and comfort, with a very neutral riding position: not upright like on a crossover but not even loaded on the front end like on a more extreme naked. The protagonist of the matter is always him, the 90 ° V in the middle. Right from the start it involves you with its gruff but at the same time peaceful and polite sound. The tonality is that unmistakable of the V-twin, with the shakes that are always there to keep you company at a minimum.

HOW ADAPTIVE AERODYNAMICS WORKS
What about adaptive aerodynamics? Flaps and windshield follow different activation logics. The former are linked to speed and riding mode: in Travel mode they open at 60 km / h, in Rain mode they are always open, in Road and Sport they are always closed. The windshield, on the other hand, is managed by the rider alone, with millimeter adjustments even while on the move. The automatic movement of the flaps when the threshold speed is reached is really impressive, in a positive sense of course. There you understand that the bike thinks, even regardless of who rides it in a certain sense. It seems like a small step towards the future. And when the eagle opens its wings, the benefit is tangible, especially by doing tests at a bit more sustained speed, around 100 per hour. Going from fully closed to fully open definitely changes the air pressure on the body, which is discharged especially in the hips area, thanks to the flaps, and on the chest and shoulders, with the plexi. It is clear that it is basically a roadster and not a fairing, but in this way the deck is longer. And the goal of obtaining a bike with reduced dimensions but that is able to offer protection when you want to make the road is centered.


Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello: the eagle spreads its wings
THE PRICE
Nice shot this Mandello. But not just for what it is as a motorcycle, more for what it represents. Willingness to open up, innovate, still act as a technological reference a century after its birth. All elements not taken for granted for a house that could sit on its 100-year history and aim to cultivate generations of loyal customers. With a starting price that will be around 15,000 euros, the V100, which will be like all the Guzzi cars proudly produced in Mandello del Lario, is proposing itself to a whole new slice of the market.

https://www.dueruote.it/prove/anteprime/2022/07/26/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1fXUBc6XWaIz5QpJVhr5MsoviNRGY8lfWTHH5bhCaWKrHIVeHBiSTTafQ#Echobox=1658824501
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on July 26, 2022, 12:19:18 PM
No spy shots of testing means it's all BS, obsolete before released. Lots of talk & no bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on July 26, 2022, 12:24:23 PM
Latest from Jim Hamlin.  They should start trickling in this fall.  He has all the two-colored upgraded models pre sold.  Has some reds coming as well, one is a demo.  So POSSIBLY - Oct-Dec 2022.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 26, 2022, 12:40:36 PM
Oh Steve, you of little faith!  Click the link at the bottom of the post, there’s a poop load of new pics.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on July 26, 2022, 12:47:26 PM
The thing looks like it will enjoy carving canyons. A little top heavy though.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on July 26, 2022, 01:22:37 PM
It's a nice looking bike.  My short observation-  looks like the exhaust will make that right pannier get toasty. And what are those three lines on the exhaust header near the cat?  Third picture shows them.  Is that a clamp or a stylistic addition?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 26, 2022, 01:54:20 PM
All you nay sayers, need to get ready to start eating crow.
https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-ride-review-2023/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on July 26, 2022, 02:51:12 PM
No spy shots of testing means it's all BS, obsolete before released. Lots of talk & no bike.

Why would there be "spy shots"? It's already been seen at shows and out on the road, so it's not like a "spy shot" is going to reveal anything new!  :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on July 26, 2022, 03:02:39 PM
All you nay sayers, need to get ready to start eating crow.
https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-ride-review-2023/

That's the same prototype, 2 bikes is not a production line. No bikes seen is no testing in real world.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on July 26, 2022, 03:29:37 PM
All you nay sayers, need to get ready to start eating crow.
https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-ride-review-2023/

This is an excellent review of the new Mandello and probably the best modern report I've ever seen on Cycle World for a Moto Guzzi. I don't think MG would be letting the press ride a new model if they weren't close to releasing it to the public.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 26, 2022, 04:21:46 PM
Steve, quick, put down your steel cut oatmeal, and get to your front door!  I think I see some dam kids walking home from school, stepping on your grass!! :boozing:

But seriously, if you look a little closer at the pics, you can tell, it clearly, is not the same bike.  The wheels are different, the seat is different, the header pipes are different.   The bike/bikes featured in these articles, are set up to take bags, the EICMA bikes had no such hardware.   The bikes are real, both Guzzi, as well as multpale dealers are saying they expect delivery to begin in October.   You better get over to your favorite dealer soon and put some cash down!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on July 26, 2022, 04:36:24 PM
Well...this is quite encouraging indeed!

I'm sure those WG members who are about to attend the 100+1 party in Mandello will report live and maybe even get to touch/sit, possibly ride one at the party?

Can't wait to see one in person!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Beowulf on July 26, 2022, 04:37:36 PM
I wasn’t at first but I’m now seriously considering this bike. I may give it a year to see how things pan out, my current work situation is enabling my Guzzi addiction I’m afraid. The performance seem really decent but the more I look I really like it. It’s really gonna come down to the v85 vs the v100. In the meantime I’ll just play with my v7. Looking forward to ride reports.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 26, 2022, 04:51:09 PM
No spy shots of testing means it's all BS, obsolete before released. Lots of talk & no bike.
Yep.
Just like the V85 Steve, we’ll never see unit#1 roll off the line… :rolleyes:
I’ll come back to this when they’re all over the place….Jeeeezzz.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 26, 2022, 04:53:33 PM
Well...this is quite encouraging indeed!

I'm sure those WG members who are about to attend the 100+1 party in Mandello will report live and maybe even get to touch/sit, possibly ride one at the party?

Can't wait to see one in person!!
Do I get bonus points if I crash the demo on a test ride…? (Hope I don’t put a scratch on my jacket…)  :sad: :bike-037:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Shorty on July 26, 2022, 04:55:45 PM
Condensed version on YT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRPs1loIqFk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: DesertPilot on July 26, 2022, 05:10:44 PM
I'm liking everything I hear, everything I read, everything I see, and I'd really want one...

...except...

...it sounds like they've made it too complicated.  What if I don't want all that electronics?  What if I don't want adaptive aerodynamics, with all the extra maintenance this could require down the road.  What if I just want... a motorcycle?  "Oh?" a cynic might reply.  "Do you also want to use primitve stone tools as you struggle to master the use of fire?"  Maybe and maybe not.  That 'fire' can be tricky stuff! But I'll be watching with a mixture of interest and anticipation to see what else MG might do with that engine.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on July 26, 2022, 05:22:27 PM
I'm liking everything I hear, everything I read, everything I see, and I'd really want one...

...except...

...it sounds like they've made it too complicated.  What if I don't want all that electronics?  What if I don't want adaptive aerodynamics, with all the extra maintenance this could require down the road.  What if I just want... a motorcycle?  "Oh?" a cynic might reply.  "Do you also want to use primitve stone tools as you struggle to master the use of fire?"  Maybe and maybe not.  That 'fire' can be tricky stuff! But I'll be watching with a mixture of interest and anticipation to see what else MG might do with that engine.

Buy yourself a Royal Enfield 650 twin. It's still got some of the electronics but parts are so cheap you can afford to shotgun troubleshoot them.

Phil
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on July 26, 2022, 05:35:10 PM
It’s happening.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on July 26, 2022, 06:27:53 PM
Steve, quick, put down your steel cut oatmeal, and get to your front door!  I think I see some dam kids walking home from school, stepping on your grass!! :boozing:

But seriously, if you look a little closer at the pics, you can tell, it clearly, is not the same bike.  The wheels are different, the seat is different, the header pipes are different.   The bike/bikes featured in these articles, are set up to take bags, the EICMA bikes had no such hardware.   The bikes are real, both Guzzi, as well as multpale dealers are saying they expect delivery to begin in October.   You better get over to your favorite dealer soon and put some cash down!
They better work through their vacation.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: CanBike on July 26, 2022, 07:02:37 PM
I really like it. I have a 2v Sport 1200 and a V7iii, and I almost bought a Griso last week. Maybe I save up a few more duckets and buy a V100 instead. I've been really enjoying chewing miles on my sport...the V7 hardly gets ridden. I'm pleased to see someone not build yet another ADV bike. I wish Triumph would make a new sport tourer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on July 26, 2022, 09:06:51 PM
 Looks like a winner! :bike-037:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on July 26, 2022, 10:05:37 PM
I sure hope they fix the oil leak on the front engine cover @20 seconds in the Cycle World video before production. Guzzi, some things never change.

Phil
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: DesertPilot on July 26, 2022, 10:40:38 PM
Buy yourself a Royal Enfield 650 twin. It's still got some of the electronics but parts are so cheap you can afford to shotgun troubleshoot them.

Phil
I have indeed been tempted by the 650 Interceptor -- the same dealer I bought my V85TT from also handles RE -- but inevitably I find myself looking at a V7 instead.  And I don't really need another bike until my wife makes good on her plans to take over the Ducati Scrambler.  By then, the V100s will be out, and I imagine MG will be developing other bikes based on that engine -- an ADV bike, a naked, a scrambler, a V100 Griso, or the V100 Le Mans I imagine we all dream of -- so I'll wait, with interest, to see how this story unfolds.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on July 27, 2022, 12:20:52 AM
I have indeed been tempted by the 650 Interceptor -- the same dealer I bought my V85TT from also handles RE -- but inevitably I find myself looking at a V7 instead.  And I don't really need another bike until my wife makes good on her plans to take over the Ducati Scrambler.  By then, the V100s will be out, and I imagine MG will be developing other bikes based on that engine -- an ADV bike, a naked, a scrambler, a V100 Griso, or the V100 Le Mans I imagine we all dream of -- so I'll wait, with interest, to see how this story unfolds.
As you may know I have a few other more sophisticated bikes in my garage but the RE is a breath of fresh air in some ways. It's just a simple, basic, smooth well built and highly affordable motorcycle that reminds me why I started riding over 50 years ago to start with. I love modern bikes and the engineering behind them but as I get older I realise I don't really need that stuff at the price they cost up front, the cost of parts, the ability to find competent mechanics to service them and the cost of insurance. The RE is the first bike in 50 years of high end and exotic bikes I've owned that I've actually insured because it's so cheap to do so.

Phil 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dirk_S on July 27, 2022, 07:04:52 AM
You can’t ask for stupid simplicity across an entire product line when most people in the world are looking for those bells and whistles. MG would be missing out on sales big time and fall back even further as a contemporary motorcycle builder.

I get it—so many Guzzisti are diehard stuck in the 60s-70s-80s air-cooled days. Guess what—you’re old, acting like a traditional curmudgeon, and you’re gonna be pat on the head and moved aside as the rest of the world moves on, because if MG DOESN’T at least pretend that they can do what everyone else can already do, they’ll be considered a relic or like Royal Enfield, the “oh how cute, they’re trying to modernize…slowly” manufacturer.

When I was at the National Rally last year, I was sitting with some old farts who started talking politics. I got into a polite debate with them. They pointed out something like ‘most Guzzi owners are older, and most lean toward this particular side of the spectrum.’ Fine, but sometimes it’s important to understand when  you simply don’t want change for your own sake. Businesses have to do what businesses have to do to not only survive, but preferably thrive.

My thoughts are ‘why not try and be the Italian BMW’—Guzzi can STILL put out air-cooled machines like other manufacturers continue to do, and also have their nifty modern sector. I’m stinkin’ ECSTATIC to see this bike hopefully do well. I’m not buying it, but there’s no reason MG should be shelved to yesteryear’s nostalgia.

Air-cooled is a niche. Best to accept it. Air-cooled is still my preferred, but I also get that it’s becoming a dinosaur. Too stubborn for liquid-cooling? There’s always a cheap, used bike for sale just up the road or on eBay.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 9fingers on July 27, 2022, 09:49:53 AM
I have indeed been tempted by the 650 Interceptor -- the same dealer I bought my V85TT from also handles RE -- but inevitably I find myself looking at a V7 instead.  And I don't really need another bike until my wife makes good on her plans to take over the Ducati Scrambler.  By then, the V100s will be out, and I imagine MG will be developing other bikes based on that engine -- an ADV bike, a naked, a scrambler, a V100 Griso, or the V100 Le Mans I imagine we all dream of -- so I'll wait, with interest, to see how this story unfolds.

I have a V7III Special, and I have ridden friends RE INT and GT 650s, and they are really nice bikes..........But they are NOT Moto Guzzis. And the new V7 is even better, but costs a bit more as well. Get the V7!
Scott
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 9fingers on July 27, 2022, 10:12:34 AM
If I sell 20 or 30 guns I can buy a Mandello! Mighty tempting. I love it!
Scott
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on July 27, 2022, 10:13:08 AM
No spy shots of testing means it's all BS, obsolete before released. Lots of talk & no bike.

This is a great point, we have seen every other new bike in the last 15 years wrapped in black riding around Mandello via spy shots
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 27, 2022, 10:28:41 AM
It’s not a great point.   There are over 20 new pics of the black bike.  Multiple media outlets are giving ride reports, what more do you need?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on July 27, 2022, 10:55:16 AM
I havent seen a single test bike pic and the single media outlet ride report appeared less than 24hrs ago..  they teased the bike 11 months ago. great new developments, but your attitude is ponderous
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 27, 2022, 11:02:21 AM
Chad, I have included two in this thread, one Italian, and the other is Cycle World. 

I’m not going to do your do diligence for you, but I’ll point you in the right direction, search mg v100 and you will find more.   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: mojohand on July 27, 2022, 11:29:04 AM
So: "[T]he mechanism for attaching the optional saddlebags by unlocking the pillion seat, sliding the bag’s posts into their slots, and then clicking the seat back down to lock the bag is super slick."

sounds unnecessarily complicated. What happens when you have camping gear strapped down on the pillion seat (like most of us do) and you want to take just the bags off?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on July 27, 2022, 12:33:30 PM
So: "[T]he mechanism for attaching the optional saddlebags by unlocking the pillion seat, sliding the bag’s posts into their slots, and then clicking the seat back down to lock the bag is super slick."

sounds unnecessarily complicated. What happens when you have camping gear strapped down on the pillion seat (like most of us do) and you want to take just the bags off?

<2% of the motorcycle buying public takes >1 moto camping trip per year... and if you need to take the bags off, wouldn't you have arrived at your destination and also need to take off your camping gear?

Sounds awesome to me, beats riding around with ugly bag mounts on your bike the 90% of the time you are riding without the bags installed at all!

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on July 27, 2022, 01:15:50 PM
Do I get bonus points if I crash the demo on a test ride…? (Hope I don’t put a scratch on my jacket…)  :sad: :bike-037:

We do expect several fotos of you on the bike in front of Guzzi's marble statue, and another one in Bellagio, one in Lecco, one in front of the red gate and a few more scattered around the lake!

You'll know who your true friends are if you dump the bike in front of the Guzzi faithful!!
 :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on July 27, 2022, 09:40:41 PM
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...  as well as multiple dealers are saying they expect delivery to begin in October.   You better get over to your favorite dealer soon and put some cash down!



They better work through their vacation. 

I agree with Steve. If they're expecting delivery of any real number of bikes, they better not be making them in Italy. July is almost over (4 days). From every thing I've heard and seen, August is a write off for anything from Italy. It is a 4-5 week boat ride from Italy, so there goes September.  If they aren't made and lined up on the boat, it won't be October.

I rec'd an email a couple weeks ago from a BMW/Ducati dealer that if you needed anything Ducati related, better order it now. It's not just Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on July 28, 2022, 01:19:27 AM
I agree with Steve. If they're expecting delivery of any real number of bikes, they better not be making them in Italy. July is almost over (4 days). From every thing I've heard and seen, August is a write off for anything from Italy. It is a 4-5 week boat ride from Italy, so there goes September.  If they aren't made and lined up on the boat, it won't be October.

I rec'd an email a couple weeks ago from a BMW/Ducati dealer that if you needed anything Ducati related, better order it now. It's not just Guzzi.

The European manufacturers often use August for revamping/re tooling their closed down production lines for the next new model.

Phil
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 28, 2022, 11:32:58 AM
I don't doubt that, but I have no reason to doubt Jim Hamlin and other Guzzi dealers who are saying hopefully October.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on July 28, 2022, 12:31:24 PM
Well after that test report I have veered back from getting a V7 850 Stone to wanting a V100 again. I suppose it all comes down to money, and what they feel like to ride. I am sure I will really enjoy riding both.

In the meantime, its 2004 Breva 750 all the way!  :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on July 28, 2022, 01:10:58 PM
If posted before, please merge or delete.

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-ride-review-2023/ (https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-ride-review-2023/)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on July 28, 2022, 02:35:15 PM
I am getting a bit tired of all the negativity. We have been screaming for something new from MG and here it is. It isn't quite what I would have liked but it is close enough to maybe entise me into something I wasn't planning on. I am getting near the end of my riding days due to age and probably won't be buying any new bikes. Also for once I think MG is ahead of the curve. After all the Adventure Bike hoopla I believe the next trend in motorcycling is a return to sport tourers. I am probably wrong but we shall see.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on July 28, 2022, 05:42:07 PM
I am getting a bit tired of all the negativity. We have been screaming for something new from MG and here it is. It isn't quite what I would have liked but it is close enough to maybe entise me into something I wasn't planning on. I am getting near the end of my riding days due to age and probably won't be buying any new bikes. Also for once I think MG is ahead of the curve. After all the Adventure Bike hoopla I believe the next trend in motorcycling is a return to sport tourers. I am probably wrong but we shall see.
kk

And I get tired of all the "marketing smoke and mirrors" and peoples total lack of the grasp of the important "details" on new products especially the engineering details these days. A herd of hapless water buffalo stampeding over a cliff to buy/ fall in love with the "latest and greatest" without serious consideration of anything except images and what suspect motoring "journalists" and "influencers" get paid in one form or another to tell them. I like the new Guzzi and MAY even buy one after the "Lemmings" that must "have it first" complete the R&D for me but I think in this world these days there needs to be people that provide a counterpoint and some rational reasoning to challenge the "marketing hype" that's always associated with anything new and unproven.

Phil     
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 28, 2022, 06:01:42 PM
And I get tired of all the "marketing smoke and mirrors" and peoples total lack of the grasp of the important "details" on new products especially the engineering details these days. A herd of hapless water buffalo stampeding over a cliff to buy/ fall in love with the "latest and greatest" without serious consideration of anything except images and what suspect motoring "journalists" and "influencers" get paid in one form or another to tell them. I like the new Guzzi and MAY even buy one after the "Lemmings" that must "have it first" complete the R&D for me but I think in this world these days there needs to be people that provide a counterpoint and some rational reasoning to challenge the "marketing hype" that's always associated with anything new and unproven.

Phil   
Well Phil..
It’s just as well for you that those “lemmings” that you refer to derisively are prepared to go out and close their mouths and open their wallets because if they did not, Guzzi would not sell unit #1.
Also did you stop to think that they might have just become a bit excited over something..?
Sometimes I think you’d make a good wife…(Just can’t stand to see a guy enjoy himself…).
All this stuff is what was trotted out by the influencers on the forum when the V85 was first mooted and we ALL know how that ended…
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: elrealistico on July 28, 2022, 06:19:55 PM
Eh. Things happen slowly, then all of a sudden. I will be happy to see the new machines come out in the fall (for us northerners) probably. There's always a cohort that wants the Next New Shiny thing. And that's cool.  It will probably be a large pile of simoleons to buy one of the first run or two, and then there's the inevitable changes/mods and then additional colors/trim/options that will come in the next few years. I am in no hurry, I haven't time enough to ride my V7III as much as i'd like as it is.  Good luck to whoever's put some moolah down to hold one.
Maybe the forum should have a pool for whoever is the first user to get their new machine and ride it????
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on July 28, 2022, 06:32:47 PM
Well Phil..
It’s just as well for you that those “lemmings” that you refer to derisively are prepared to go out and close their mouths and open their wallets because if they did not, Guzzi would not sell unit #1.
Also did you stop to think that they might have just become a bit excited over something..?
Sometimes I think you’d make a good wife…(Just can’t stand to see a guy enjoy himself…).
All this stuff is what was trotted out by the influencers on the forum when the V85 was first mooted and we ALL know how that ended…

Huzo let me tell you. Until I can down load the shop manual and read through it and see the engineering details I'll leave the "excitement" to the Lemmings and in some sense be grateful to them. If the general public got a little less "excited" about stuff and a lot more discerning then manufacturers might just get their act together a bit more with the quality. I've been exposed to the motorcycling and automotive engineering "back room" far more than most here and it has coloured my perspective a good deal.

Phil 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 28, 2022, 07:15:51 PM
Huzo let me tell you. Until I can down load the shop manual and read through it and see the engineering details I'll leave the "excitement" to the Lemmings and in some sense be grateful to them. If the general public got a little less "excited" about stuff and a lot more discerning then manufacturers might just get their act together a bit more with the quality. I've been exposed to the motorcycling and automotive engineering "back room" far more than most here and it has coloured my perspective a good deal.

Phil
Phillip…
There’s more to bikes than the sum of their parts and I’ll put it to you that you don’t necessarily know what “most here” have been exposed to.
All what you say can be taken on board or thrown away, but to refer to potential buyers as “lemmings”, is suggesting that they will blindly follow each other up to and over the clif, the implication being that they do not have the life skills to make decisions for themselves but fortunately, you do.
You are undervaluing their level of discernment just for the sake of a cheap swipe.
 None of us have bikes because they are “good value” or “sensible”, we do it because they make us feel good and fulfill our existence to a more or less degree.
How many guys go all gooey in the nether regions over Ambassadors, Vincents, Falcone’s and the like, when they are demonstrably outdated, under powered, under suspended, under braked, over valued pieces of old garbage when viewed by such luminaries as yourself, well versed in “engineering details” as you so glibly state.
By your stance, if they were produced today, you’d be better off on a Cyclops trike….(possibly so).
Believe it or not Phil, there are people here that read posts by guys of your level and feel less inclined to offer their thoughts for fear of having a crucible of vitriol visited upon them…(it used to be worse… :wink:)
By all means have your opinion, there are those who usually value it and I’m one of them, but please don’t use your profile to downgrade well meaning participants.
BTW…
Did you see your namesake Lucky Phil on the Hey Hey it’s Saturday re run the other night ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on July 28, 2022, 09:12:11 PM
Attention

CYCLE WORLD evaluates the >>> V100 FIRST RIDE, 

 Nice Write-up, and You Tube Video!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on July 28, 2022, 09:31:42 PM
Some of us are just glad to have something new to look forward to.  If we had not had a pandemic and then the supply shortages, it probably would have been here by now.  Also, with the aid of Piaggio and Apprilia engeneering, I am pretty sure that this is not a huge reach for Moto Guzzi.  It's a 1000cc engine that makes appx. 115 HP which probably means that there is nothing cutting edge going on inside of the engine case. 
I was a lemming that bought V85 number 53 and it now has 21,600 miles and has been back to the shop for nothing.  I bought it because it was and is a very impressive machine to ride and will admit to a small bit of fun in having something so new.  I ask you, is that really so bad?
We should all take the new bike at the pace we are comfortable with.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on July 28, 2022, 09:57:08 PM
Some of us are just glad to have something new to look forward to.  If we had not had a pandemic and then the supply shortages, it probably would have been here by now.  Also, with the aid of Piaggio and Apprilia engeneering, I am pretty sure that this is not a huge reach for Moto Guzzi.  It's a 1000cc engine that makes appx. 115 HP which probably means that there is nothing cutting edge going on inside of the engine case. 
I was a lemming that bought V85 number 53 and it now has 21,600 miles and has been back to the shop for nothing.  I bought it because it was and is a very impressive machine to ride and will admit to a small bit of fun in having something so new.  I ask you, is that really so bad?
We should all take the new bike at the pace we are comfortable with.
:thumb:
This seems altogether too reasonable.  Could you throw in something about tires, or oil? :evil:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on July 29, 2022, 12:24:48 AM
Phillip
There’s more to bikes than the sum of their parts and I’ll put it to you that you don’t necessarily know what “most here” have been exposed to.
All what you say can be taken on board or thrown away, but to refer to potential buyers as “lemmings”, is suggesting that they will blindly follow each other up to and over the clif, the implication being that they do not have the life skills to make decisions for themselves but fortunately, you do.
You are undervaluing their level of discernment just for the sake of a cheap swipe.
 None of us have bikes because they are “good value” or “sensible”, we do it because they make us feel good and fulfill our existence to a more or less degree.
How many guys go all gooey in the nether regions over Ambassadors, Vincents, Falcone’s and the like, when they are demonstrably outdated, under powered, under suspended, under braked, over valued pieces of old garbage when viewed by such luminaries as yourself, well versed in “engineering details” as you so glibly state.
By your stance, if they were produced today, you’d be better off on a Cyclops trike….(possibly so).
Believe it or not Phil, there are people here that read posts by guys of your level and feel less inclined to offer their thoughts for fear of having a crucible of vitriol visited upon them…(it used to be worse… :wink:)
By all means have your opinion, there are those who usually value it and I’m one of them, but please don’t use your profile to downgrade well meaning participants.
BTW…
Did you see your namesake Lucky Phil on the Hey Hey it’s Saturday re run the other night ?
Huzo, it's one "L" and no I didn't.

Phil
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: nc43bsa on July 29, 2022, 12:49:46 AM
I haven't read the entire thread, but has anyone determined whether the clutch can be serviced without removing the frame from the engine unit or the transmission from the bike?  To me, it kinda looks like it can.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on July 29, 2022, 02:20:07 AM
It's brief but around here https://youtu.be/GlYtXZ5qBeQ?t=292 they have some footage of the bags going on. CC on auto translate (Motorad video likely done at the same time as cycle world from the footage).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 29, 2022, 03:46:40 AM
I haven't read the entire thread, but has anyone determined whether the clutch can be serviced without removing the frame from the engine unit or the transmission from the bike?  To me, it kinda looks like it can.
Roper thinks so.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on July 29, 2022, 05:31:40 AM

Sometimes I think you’d make a good wife…(Just can’t stand to see a guy enjoy himself…).


😃😁  :laugh: :grin:

Hey, I'll steal that expression!

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on July 29, 2022, 08:38:38 AM
Ah well... the data still looks tempting (weight still missing though?)... but the bike also still looks like... well... every other bike nowadays (apart from the engine maybe).
Plastic insect with un-necessary gimmicks.

But I guess they will put that engine in quite a few different bikes in the future, some of them pleasing to my eye as well for sure.

Cheers,
D.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on July 29, 2022, 09:08:38 AM
Nice write up, and video


https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-ride-review-2023/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on July 29, 2022, 09:09:54 AM
Ah well... the data still looks tempting (weight still missing though?)... but the bike also still looks like... well... every other bike nowadays (apart from the engine maybe).
Plastic insect with un-necessary gimmicks.

But I guess they will put that engine in quite a few different bikes in the future, some of them pleasing to my eye as well for sure.

Cheers,
D.
I agree. Until they put that motor in a true touring cruiser with a real fairing that will actually protect the rider from the elements, with Bluetooth capabilities, floorboards  and matching color removable luggage and top case.   
Until then y’all don’t have to add to your stress worrying about being one short because of me, when and IF they get here🤔😂👍
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on July 29, 2022, 09:38:35 AM
Ah well... the data still looks tempting (weight still missing though?)...
The Mottorad video gave the curb weight as 233 kg., or 512.6 pounds.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dimitri_Harkov on July 29, 2022, 09:47:19 AM
Oh really? That's actually not that bad. Thx!

Cheers,
D.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on July 29, 2022, 10:50:11 AM
Predicted distribution of the volume of sales of the new V100 by age group:

20-30:  30%
30-40:  30%
40-50:  20%
50-60:  19%
+60:      1%

 :thumb: :thumb:

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on July 29, 2022, 11:57:35 AM
So: "[T]he mechanism for attaching the optional saddlebags by unlocking the pillion seat, sliding the bag’s posts into their slots, and then clicking the seat back down to lock the bag is super slick."  sounds unnecessarily complicated.

Not ideal but I could live with a couple extra steps to mount and unmount bags, what I HATE on my V85 is having to lock the lids in order to remove the key. In all my years I think I've locked bag lids maybe twice.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on July 29, 2022, 01:11:57 PM
Predicted distribution of the volume of sales of the new V100 by age group:

20-30:  30%
30-40:  30%
40-50:  20%
50-60:  19%
+60:      1%

 :thumb: :thumb:

Sounds about right. Which age group will lodge the loudest complaints?  :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 29, 2022, 02:12:01 PM
Not ideal but I could live with a couple extra steps to mount and unmount bags, what I HATE on my V85 is having to lock the lids in order to remove the key. In all my years I think I've locked bag lids maybe twice.
Just remove the little tab that rotates inside that locks the lid.
Then you don’t need the key to open/shut.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on July 29, 2022, 02:51:21 PM
Wouldn't that preclude being able to lock the lids entirely? If so I may still do it but if/when I sell, the next owner may want to be able to lock the lids.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on July 29, 2022, 03:11:13 PM
Predicted distribution of the volume of sales of the new V100 by age group:

20-30:  30%
30-40:  30%
40-50:  20%
50-60:  19%
+60:      1%

Given the relatively high price, sport touring design and Guzzi branding, I’d judge that Piaggio is aiming for the 50 year old market, plus or minus 10 years.  I’d guess very few people under 40 will buy one.  YMMV.

Same as the V11 Sport, but five years older.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on July 29, 2022, 07:35:18 PM
Given the relatively high price, sport touring design and Guzzi branding, I’d judge that Piaggio is aiming for the 50 year old market, plus or minus 10 years.  I’d guess very few people under 40 will buy one.  YMMV.

Same as the V11 Sport, but five years older.

How do you figure?  They’re predicting 80% of sales will be to 20-50 year olds.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucky phil on July 29, 2022, 07:56:19 PM
How do you figure?  They’re predicting 80% of sales will be to 20-50 year olds.

I'm predicting 80% of sales will be in the 50-60 year old bracket. 40-50 year old riders I know still dream they have a shot at a MotoGP contract if only a factory could see them ride. They're not interested in some "Sports tourer".

Phil
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintage53 on July 29, 2022, 08:00:54 PM
Predicted distribution of the volume of sales of the new V100 by age group:

20-30:  30%
30-40:  30%
40-50:  20%
50-60:  19%
+60:      1%

 :thumb: :thumb:

Would be interesting to do a side by side with actual mc riders by age


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ToddK on July 29, 2022, 08:37:31 PM
As I have left MG, for now, to opt for a Ninja 1000SX, this bike is VERY appealing to me! My Kawi has a 1043cc I4 and a curb weight of 514 lbs. Also has the bags with no visible rack. Not sure if I want to check one out or not...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on July 29, 2022, 08:45:06 PM
Woo Hoo! I'm a 1%er. Wish my bank account reflected it.
It's my 73rd B-day today and my name is on the (lemming) list at Seacoast in New Hampshire. I still find sport touring style bikes to be the most ergonomically suited to me.
BTW, I spoke to Jim Smith, Co-owner at Secoast on Friday and he hasn't been given any possible delivery dates nor any final pricing.

Steve M
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on July 30, 2022, 05:04:32 AM
Ok,

Well, my dealer called me yesterday to give me an update on the V100

Keep in mind, I put down a cash deposit last November to reserve my spot as 1st on his list for the Green/Silver Ohlins delux model...  (I subsiquently withdrew the deposit after 6 months of no updates or delivery date- but they must have kept my name on the list of interested parties)

Here's what he told me:

*Guzzi said tentative date of bikes hitting US dealers: DECEMBER 2022
* In September, Guzzi will let dealers place orders/start their list for customers who have made deposits or otherwise 'got on the list'
* In October, Guzzi will open up their website-based 'preorder list' that is direct-to-consumer.. Dealer will assist customers in signing up for that as needed
*Green/Silver with active Ohlins (and assumed bags) will be aprox $17,5xx
*Red/Base model will be around $15k
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on July 30, 2022, 07:39:29 AM
Can 20-30 year olds afford a nearly 20k bike?  Of course, keep in mind the numbers we are talking about.  Will they import 1,000 of these a year to the US?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: elrealistico on July 30, 2022, 07:57:17 AM
If they're single, maybe, if not  :thewife: might not approve
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on July 30, 2022, 08:03:37 AM
True.  I got married too early myself.  I should have waited to have had at least a half dozen bikes first.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on July 30, 2022, 10:15:53 AM
Being married isn't the problem, it's pumping out all these kids! Little buggers hoover up all your resources!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on July 30, 2022, 10:34:20 AM
Unmarried twenty-somethings with some spare cash and an interest in European bikes buy Ducatis.  Shaft drive Guzzi sport touring bikes with slightly funky styling won’t get their attention. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on July 30, 2022, 12:00:55 PM
That sounds like it might be mostly correct.  But I don't think Guzzi is looking to take on Ducat head on, what they may be trying to do is peel off 10-15% of Duc and Triumph buyers.  The factory can only make so many v100s.   If they got orders for 5000 v100s they would be screwed trying to make that many in one year.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on July 30, 2022, 01:59:23 PM
What about the new factory, when is that due to be up and running? Surely that is intended to have increased and more efficient production capacity, yes?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on July 30, 2022, 02:23:22 PM
I will tell you what I have seen in my area.  Young people are definitely interested in KTM.  It seems when I see a 20 something on a Euro bike, its a KTM.  No, they still think that we are their target market, the younger 55-60 yo, part of us that is.  If I was 55 again, I would already have my money down.  For riding the mountains in the eastern US, that bike looks like the perfect sport tourer.  I can just imagine having unpacked it at Tellico, TN and jumping on the Chereola Skyway.  I have to watch myself or I will one of the guys with money down.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on July 30, 2022, 03:17:53 PM
Glad to see headway in the development and release of the V100!

I think this is hopeful, and that is probably one of the best MC Rag review on a Guzzi I have seen in a while. With the growing sales of V7's the last few years and V85, I think Guzzi will see similar, especially given it's placement.

Looking forward to seeing them at the dealers, and a demo ride. Cadre is my closest dealer right now.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 30, 2022, 04:02:14 PM
I’d like one in the same colour red as some of the faces on WG…
We’ll come back to here when there’s hundreds of them on the road, should be fun…. :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 30, 2022, 04:18:35 PM
Wouldn't that preclude being able to lock the lids entirely? If so I may still do it but if/when I sell, the next owner may want to be able to lock the lids.
Yes it does mean you can’t lock them.
But.
On my top case, I made a pin that comes out from the inside and protrudes by about 10 mm.
(I will post a shot later).
When away, I keep my electronics stuff that’s highly desirable in there and just use a small combination lock, seriously it takes 5 seconds to deploy…(I only spin the last of the 3 tumblers.)
I leave other valuables like soiled undergarments and wet towels from camping park shower floors, in the unlocked ones.
Confident that no one will steal them…. :wink:
BTW..
It’s 35.6 seconds to remove the tab and 36.4 seconds to re fit it if you sell the bike… :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on July 30, 2022, 04:48:44 PM
Yes it does mean you can’t lock them.
But.
On my top case, I made a pin that comes out from the inside and protrudes by about 10 mm.
(I will post a shot later).
When away, I keep my electronics stuff that’s highly desirable in there and just use a small combination lock, seriously it takes 5 seconds to deploy…(I only spin the last of the 3 tumblers.)
I leave other valuables like soiled undergarments and wet towels from camping park shower floors, in the unlocked ones.
Confident that no one will steal them…. :wink:
BTW..
It’s 35.6 seconds to remove the tab and 36.4 seconds to re fit it if you sell the bike… :grin:

Generally, once my bags are on, they stay on unless I need them off for a service, deep clean (annual) or to navigate into a tight spot in the garage. I've been using liner bags/duffels for 20 years.  I haven't looked at the new bags for the V100 closely, but the locking in place with seat looks trick. I do hope they are easy to lock and open. I hated the mechanisms on my Norge and the cable system on the MGX was a RPITA. The H-B bags have spoiled me.

The V100 MAY replace my 1200 Sport, but only when I cross the 100K range, and even then I may keep the 12S if the V100 has an ADV or FULL faired ST model. I think the V100 is in the sweet spot for size, weight and power. Love that it is a SSSA, retains the shaft and of course 90 degree V Twin.

One thing that I noticed, and it may just be the angle, but it seems like this closer to production model has less of the fins on the CYS?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: tngarren on July 30, 2022, 07:05:26 PM
I've not found a bike yet worth replacing my '17 Multistrada 1200S.  I'm looking for a sport tourer that's a bit lower, SSSA, no chain maintenance, and I go to the garage just to look at it.  The V100 may be the ticket. Sure would love some blind spot monitoring though. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 30, 2022, 07:11:23 PM
Sure would love some blind spot monitoring though.
Pardon..?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: tngarren on July 30, 2022, 07:19:17 PM
My old neck doesn't swivel like it used to.  I'd appreciate a second opinion before changing lanes on a bike. Ducati, Kawasaki and Triumph have implemented it. Maybe others as well.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 30, 2022, 07:29:31 PM
My old neck doesn't swivel like it used to.  I'd appreciate a second opinion before changing lanes on a bike. Ducati, Kawasaki and Triumph have implemented it. Maybe others as well.
Just another thing to bugger up and kill you mate..
Here’s a way out.
Take your bike somewhere safe and practice riding along and swinging your arse off the seat to one side and looking over behind you while holding your line.
You’ll see Moto GP riders and the like, doing it on slow down laps and such to see who is behind them. You don’t have to get all the twist in your body from just your neck.
You’ll find that you can look behind while sitting on the upper part of your leg where it joins your butt.
If you spend long enough here on WG, you’ll develop the skills needed to be able to see directly behind you, so as to avoid approaching knives… :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: tngarren on July 30, 2022, 07:59:43 PM
Yeah, I can't imagine why MotoGP bikes don't have rear mirrors and blind spot detection.  Go figure.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on July 30, 2022, 10:31:54 PM
Pardon..?

There are all sorts of reasons that folks cannot turn their heads like a teenager- age, arthritis, joint disintegration...et c.  My dad had ankylosing spondylitis and he could not turn his neck, but he liked to ride. 
I like the idea of electronic monitoring- seems to work on cars just fine.  The trouble is getting drivers to pay attention to it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on July 30, 2022, 11:13:50 PM
Quote
  Yeah, I can't imagine why MotoGP bikes don't have rear mirrors and blind spot detection.  Go figure.     

If they're using titanium nuts and bolts and drilling bolts to lose weight, why would they add the weight? I doubt that the guys riding those bikes  would have a problem looking back. That's if they care. What's that note on the side mirrors? Things in your rear view mirror no longer matter?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on July 31, 2022, 03:30:22 AM
If they're using titanium nuts and bolts and drilling bolts to lose weight, why would they add the weight? I doubt that the guys riding those bikes  would have a problem looking back. That's if they care. What's that note on the side mirrors? Things in your rear view mirror no longer matter?
I know it’s a somewhat foreign concept, but I think he was joking…. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: zedXmick on August 14, 2022, 11:42:33 PM
https://youtu.be/RRPs1loIqFk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AH Fan on August 15, 2022, 12:23:00 AM
https://youtu.be/RRPs1loIqFk

Well I have never been the one to mindlessly follow to the trough It will be interesting to ride and I guess if your buying that air coolers cant get by emissions then we will have to line up. :grin:
It still seems that this one is more or less a newer version of the 2008 1200 Sport.
If its half as good as that one it should be a keeper.

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: John A on August 24, 2022, 11:38:42 AM
https://youtu.be/bfYZ7snPj8U
I don’t know if this has been posted, too much electronic things for me and the style is not for me. It’s a cool bike though
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on August 24, 2022, 12:17:39 PM
I have not seen that video.  Thanks for posting-
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 24, 2022, 12:18:20 PM
I had not seen the Red color yet.  It is also very nice.  I thought he said 4.6 gallon tank.  I hope that was a misstatement.  Under 5 gallons is not good for a bike with the mission of the V100.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on August 24, 2022, 12:24:11 PM
It may be pretty economical Blu.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on August 24, 2022, 12:25:17 PM
It's a good looking bike...going to be hard to decide on Red or Green!  If it gets 50 mpg, then a 4.6 gallon tank should be no problem...curious to see what type of fuel economy it will get in real world use.
 
The side venting I wonder if it also acts like DRS in Formula 1 to give a boost of speed!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 24, 2022, 12:48:24 PM
Red is the entry level, the green is an upgraded version likely $2-3K higher price tag.  Damn that is a sexy lookin’ bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pescatore on August 24, 2022, 03:44:54 PM
I hope they will offer the high end model in red as well.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kballowe on August 24, 2022, 05:05:46 PM
I can't get past the color scheme (s).  Although, the red is less [censored] [censored] [censored].   I think it's the gold wheels.   Ewwwwwwww !

..... and there's a lot of Italian electronics on those bikes.......

Maybe NEXT model year.

 :bike-037:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Johncolleary on August 24, 2022, 05:47:02 PM
I like it, When can I get up close and personal?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Motormike on August 24, 2022, 07:20:00 PM
Couldn't help but notice the foot peg brackets appear to bolt directly to the engine case.  Suspect those pegs would get pretty buzzy.  Nice looking bike though. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on August 24, 2022, 08:58:52 PM
Hamlin says they’ll start trickling into the dealers Oct-Jan.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 9fingers on August 24, 2022, 09:36:56 PM
I'll take a red one..........
Scott
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Turin on August 25, 2022, 12:31:21 AM
I'm on board for a red one. I might have to sell my 907 Paso.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 25, 2022, 05:55:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRPs1loIqFk

A test ride video.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 25, 2022, 06:17:29 AM
I like it, When can I get up close and personal?

Dealers are taking orders in September for projected December delivery. Many dealers already have a list of folks with deposits down.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Iron Cross Junction on August 25, 2022, 06:32:41 AM

Couldn't make it through the whole vid, and maybe this has already been beaten to death here ... but any mentions of weight besides pure SWAG's?

Thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on August 25, 2022, 08:36:05 AM
Couldn't make it through the whole vid, and maybe this has already been beaten to death here ... but any mentions of weight besides pure SWAG's?

Thanks.

Bill

I thought that I remember reading it was going to be in low 500lb range, like 507lbs.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on August 25, 2022, 09:07:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRPs1loIqFk

A test ride video.

The full article and additional photos showing luggage.

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-reviews/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-ride-review-2023/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on August 25, 2022, 09:42:40 AM
I can't get past the color scheme (s).  Although, the red is less [censored] [censored] [censored].   I think it's the gold wheels.   Ewwwwwwww !

..... and there's a lot of Italian electronics on those bikes.......

Maybe NEXT model year.

 :bike-037:

Kevin...you think there will be fewer electronics on the next model year?  Considering that the average residency of the bikes in your garage is 1 year max, you can easily sell it when you get tired of it!!

 :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 25, 2022, 09:49:26 AM
Kevin...you think there will be fewer electronics on the next model year?  Considering that the average residency of the bikes in your garage is 1 year max, you can easily sell it when you get tired of it!!

 :thumb: :thumb:
Tsk…tsk… :whip2:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PeteS on August 25, 2022, 10:06:48 AM
So what does the green have that the red doesn’t?  I have yet to find a page that lists features. Mine will be red regardless.

Pete
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AJ Huff on August 25, 2022, 10:12:12 AM
All that newness and it still has an ignition key. Dumb.

-AJ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 25, 2022, 10:57:01 AM
So what does the green have that the red doesn’t?  I have yet to find a page that lists features. Mine will be red regardless.

Pete

the green one has the full suite of Ohlins semi-active computer controlled suspension. This pkg usually ups the price on similarly equipped Aprilia and Ducati bikes by $3-4k.

My dealer also told me the green one would *probably* also include the bags, but that is not confirmed.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: OldMojo on August 25, 2022, 02:50:45 PM
I can't get past the color scheme (s).  Although, the red is less [censored] [censored] [censored].   I think it's the gold wheels.   Ewwwwwwww !

Looks like they may have ditched the gold wheels, so that may sweeten the pot for you.

I like the gold myself, and now that I see what it looks like with plain old black rims, I feel like the gold makes the bike!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: JJ on August 25, 2022, 02:54:05 PM
One of the Phoenix Guzzisti, "Richard" told all of us at the recent Datil Rally that he has one on order through GP Cycles in San Diego...

They told him that is should be here sometime in October...

He also said he has no idea what the OTD (Out-the-Door) price is going to be (???????) - Maybe $18,000 + TTL (????)

 :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: :thumb: :bow: :boozing:

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on August 25, 2022, 03:05:22 PM
Looks like they may have ditched the gold wheels, so that may sweeten the pot for you.

I like the gold myself, and now that I see what it looks like with plain old black rims, I feel like the gold makes the bike!

I completely agree, the gold wheels really make the bike in either paint scheme. I think I will just have to paint the wheels gold myself.

I think I have given up hope that there would be a center stand available though. From the pics I can't quite see how Moto Guzzi could get one under it with that exhaust. Maybe Hepco-Becker and Mistrel could tackle the issue together and make a package deal.

Skippy

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on August 25, 2022, 03:13:54 PM
One of the Phoenix Guzzisti, "Richard" told all of us at the recent Datil Rally that he has one on order through GP Cycles in San Diego...

They told him that is should be here sometime in October...

He also said he has no idea what the OTD (Out-the-Door) price is going to be (???????) - Maybe $18,000 + TTL (????)

 :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh: :thumb: :bow: :boozing:

He told me the same thing before leaving for Datil.  Revolving door at his house.   :laugh: 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 25, 2022, 04:07:39 PM
The black wheels look tired before they begin….
Garbage.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on August 25, 2022, 04:44:26 PM
I haven't looked at the Guzzi website lately and they've jazzed the home page up a bit with a brilliant image of the V100 Mandello along with a dramatic video.  The video shows a fighter jet painted in matching livery following a Mandello V100 winding through the curves until the jet lands and the pilot mounts up on his V100.  Maybe the pilot was just looking down, dreaming about riding his V100 instead of flying the boring old plane. 

That green and silver V100 is, indeed, a handsome machine IMHO.

https://www.motoguzzi.com/us_EN/



.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on August 25, 2022, 05:11:51 PM
The black wheels look tired before they begin….
Garbage.

Tsk tsk...   :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on August 25, 2022, 05:45:24 PM
I can't get past the color scheme (s).  Although, the red is less [censored] [censored] [censored].   I think it's the gold wheels.   Ewwwwwwww !

..... and there's a lot of Italian electronics on those bikes.......

Maybe NEXT model year.

 :bike-037:

I've seen so many schemes, I'm waiting for the actual production. Not a fan of the silver motor, and gold valve covers, but do like the Red paint and gold wheels.

Looking forward to seeing one in the flesh, and what Guzzi does with the platform. Unlikely I will add one, it will replace something. 

MAYBE:
Stornello if a new Stelvio style
Griso if a Naked bike or new Griso style
1200 Sport if a new Norge style

2025 will be the year......
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on August 25, 2022, 05:51:41 PM
I hope they go with the Gold wheels or at least silver wheels and not the black rims.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kballowe on August 25, 2022, 06:06:29 PM
Kevin...you think there will be fewer electronics on the next model year?  Considering that the average residency of the bikes in your garage is 1 year max, you can easily sell it when you get tired of it!!

 :thumb: :thumb:

Not less electronics, but a whole year to work the bugs out.  OK, TWO years ! ...... and a different color scheme.....

    :boozing: :boozing: :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on August 26, 2022, 06:25:02 AM
I'm okay with the black wheels.  I expect that's what we'll get when they ever reach the dealers since that's the way the pics seem to be going.  It's all personal choice but, for me, gold is great but a little bit goes a long way.  Already with gold forks and gold valve covers, maybe the black wheels break it up so it doesn't smack of an '80 Leisure Suit.


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Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on August 26, 2022, 06:26:43 AM
The Green/Grey is the best color they could have possibly done- looks amazing

the gold wheels look awesome and I'm sad to see them cut.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 26, 2022, 06:30:39 AM
colored wheels can be problematic as dirty as wheels get.  I had a bike with a custom paint job and the accent color was pearl white as were the wheels.  fantastic looking when clean, otherwise not so much.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on August 26, 2022, 12:52:45 PM
I'm with @leafman60 and @blu guzz.
No 80's leisure suit and less cleaning demands.
I'm happy about black wheels. I like the gold wheels on the green bike, very stunning, but it is slightly over the top for my taste.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on August 26, 2022, 04:08:40 PM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/301893940_10228307850109905_5524065667155296616_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=rvgYuKRFktQAX-lThgK&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AT9yteR0FE3yAmT-m35if6jWkqY64m_aoRRV7aFae33uZw&oe=630E2FDE)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on August 26, 2022, 05:02:38 PM
After looking at the bikes again.  I like the "brass" colored wheels matching the valve covers.  The gold ohlins are over the top for the green bike.  The brass colored wheels look good on the red bike. 

 :evil:  If you're going to have a model with the bikes, the grunge look doesn't work for me.  She should have been form fitting clothes and high heels.  :boozing: :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on August 26, 2022, 05:37:58 PM
After looking at the bikes again.  I like the "brass" colored wheels matching the valve covers.  The gold ohlins are over the top for the green bike.  The brass colored wheels look good on the red bike. 

 :evil:  If you're going to have a model with the bikes, the grunge look doesn't work for me.  She should have been form fitting clothes and high heels.  :boozing: :boozing:

I think the wheels look better in gold or brass.  I don’t mind the above passenger, and I don’t believe that Sidi makes high heel motorcycle footwear.

(https://ridermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/web_04-Moto-Guzzi-V100-Mandello.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on August 26, 2022, 05:40:31 PM
Y'ep.  Looks good for solo riding.  Touring with a pax....don't know.  Looks cramped.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 26, 2022, 06:47:52 PM
Y'ep.  Looks good for solo riding.  Touring with a pax....don't know.  Looks cramped.
Agreed.
I think history will show that Guzzi went on to produce a different version for dedicated tourers. It does look cramped and although the benefits of which are not lost to me, it could become tiresome.
Also.
In today’s age of enlightemnent, when are we going to see shots with the girl on the front….? :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tiny Tim on August 26, 2022, 06:55:24 PM
I like the bike a lot, but I wonder about the headers being the first thing to hit the road even in a small get off. Looks like there is a small guard over them but I hope they offer crash bars. It could get very expensive to rip out an exhaust stud and more.   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on August 26, 2022, 07:04:49 PM
This is not what I would consider a large motorcycle.  Seeing the bikes with people mounted reveals that to me. 

Don't know how it would be for long-distance touring.

Both wheel colors are okay by me.  Main thing is- this is finally something updated from Mandello del Lario.

A pair of nice gold wheels in forged aluminum can be had from Oz or Marchesini I'm sure.

Tom, that 20-30-something looks dressed body-clinging pretty well to me.

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Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on August 26, 2022, 10:23:02 PM
  :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on August 27, 2022, 06:28:05 PM
In today’s age of enlightemnent, when are we going to see shots with the girl on the front….? :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:


Moderators are currently Under the dome of silence reviewing this highly controversial posts, Hopefully Huzo will get a pass just because. :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on August 27, 2022, 06:47:49 PM
  :grin: :grin: :grin:
Lol, you guys enjoy your dream machine by picture and video while it’s available and I ain’t even going to address the Pete part😂
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 27, 2022, 06:59:56 PM
My suggestion was/is, that the only place that the lady can sit is on the back, because the unspoken implication is that it’s safer if the “real rider” is on the front…
We constantly work towards equality of gender and we will know we have reached that level, when we can see a shot with the roles reversed and it no longer looks strange.
Funny thing about that.
If I see a car on my TV with left hand drive it looks normal, but if I see it in reality it looks odd.
Worse still, I saw an Aussie cop show on TV the other day and they were filming back through the windscreen.
When seen on TV, it looked odd with the wheel on the right…!
The implications of all that take some digesting, but there is a point to be taken.

Suffice to say, that what we see all the time is perceived as “normal” and by implication “acceptable”.
THAT is why I posed the idea of the girl on the front and while I’m on the topic, why do they have to be classically attractive…?
Just a thought…. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 04, 2022, 07:43:11 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Pz7YDPn/058-A505-B-A09-C-4-F02-87-A2-D1-C7-FDD62-D86.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/L6D6kWX/5-A32-C10-A-80-CB-4502-B8-D9-EDFE69-CDA4-DA.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: pebra on September 04, 2022, 12:36:28 PM
^    :grin:

They've got to have them ready to show in a few days!

The top photo taken in Nogare, province of Treviso - they might be heading for the Alps.
Near Bassano del Grappa, capital of you-know-what (which I'd head for  :azn:); and Valdobbiadene, in the heart of the prosecco area.


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 04, 2022, 01:04:03 PM
Cool that you know where they are likely headed, wonder what those things are on the passenger seats?

And those look like gold rims.......
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on September 04, 2022, 01:30:19 PM
Russian made Inogen's.     :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

More likely factory motorcycle black boxes for the test rider's to get real life rider inputs.   :tongue: They need to fine tune the ecu's before shipping out the bikes from the assembly factory. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: dguzzi on September 04, 2022, 02:49:31 PM
  Wild stereo on those!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 06, 2022, 07:47:38 AM
I like the white one with silver rims.

(https://i.ibb.co/qpsxc7B/12820547-412-A-4-F14-B5-F8-A5-E44-C983-D65.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 06, 2022, 09:37:19 AM
So are all these pics of V100's just a bunch of factory riders testing the bikes out, or have they really started selling them in Italy already?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on September 06, 2022, 10:46:54 AM
I like the white one with silver rims.

Looks nice with spoked rims. :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 06, 2022, 11:18:21 AM
So are all these pics of V100's just a bunch of factory riders testing the bikes out, or have they really started selling them in Italy already?

I'm sure the photo's with the boxes on the passenger seats are test riders and the one above is the same but I'm not sure what the story is about that bike. The photo's are from the V100 Mandello FB page taken by locals.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on September 06, 2022, 12:26:23 PM
I generally like white bikes but by that picture not so much. Have to see one in person though. I am not interested in a new bike but don't say never.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 06, 2022, 03:50:46 PM
I'm sure the photo's with the boxes on the passenger seats are test riders and the one above is the same but I'm not sure what the story is about that bike. The photo's are from the V100 Mandello FB page taken by locals.
  Thanks! Will have to take a look there!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: raulnor on September 08, 2022, 11:00:34 AM
The tank area on those looks HUGE from the rear. It does look like you very much sit inside the bike, not on top of it, which I prefer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 08, 2022, 11:38:14 AM
It does look pretty wide but it doesn't bother me, it looks like the seating is similar to my Norge.

(https://i.ibb.co/HXJYJDs/IMG-2081.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 08, 2022, 05:36:32 PM
the V85 has a pretty wide tank too.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 09, 2022, 07:25:52 AM
The white is nice but I’d rather have the red one or the green one with the better suspension.

(https://i.ibb.co/CQSzLtn/54176109-CC42-4-B50-86-FA-5-D7-CFFFC1-B66.jpg)

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on September 09, 2022, 07:43:29 AM
The white is nice but I’d rather have the red one or the green one with the better suspension.

(https://i.ibb.co/CQSzLtn/54176109-CC42-4-B50-86-FA-5-D7-CFFFC1-B66.jpg)

I really like the white one.  Then again, I tend to be partial to white Leman’s, etc.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 09, 2022, 08:19:11 AM
It does look pretty wide but it doesn't bother me, it looks like the seating is similar to my Norge.

(https://i.ibb.co/HXJYJDs/IMG-2081.jpg)

I love the look of this cockpit and position...wide is nice (similar to Griso and Norge) so it hits my eye nicely.

Curious to see what other colors they are going to come up with!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 09, 2022, 09:47:09 AM
“I really like the white one.  Then again, I tend to be partial to white Leman’s, etc.“

If they ship in white ones is that what you’re going to buy?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on September 09, 2022, 10:25:18 AM
I like white bikes generally. When I saw a picture yesterday I was kinda nah. But looking again today at a larger picture the white would be my choice, unless there were a all green one, like the Stelvio. Is there any information out about weight yet. At my advanced age that would be my main concern. I'm getting the feeling that MG better be prepared to ramp up production. From the increased press MG seems to be getting lately I wouldn't be surprised to see these flying off the shelf. If everything fits what I would have to have,  I could see my Triumph and V7lll with new owners.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 09, 2022, 11:51:26 AM
I remember reading somewhere that it was 507lbs but I don't know if that was with fuel and oil. And I could be completely wrong with that number.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on September 09, 2022, 02:03:22 PM
 Did the designers of the Mandello work for Suzuki in the 90's? https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/suzuki/church-of-mo-1997-suzuki-xf650-freewind.html
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on September 09, 2022, 02:16:56 PM
Freewind........... :grin:  also known as FART. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Joliet Jim on September 09, 2022, 08:08:50 PM
Without a dealer network in the US.....
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 11, 2022, 06:51:55 AM
513 pounds with all fluids.

(https://i.ibb.co/b2RkqRs/A9603-AE6-3-C45-445-A-9-A45-60-C4-E14-FEBD7.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 11, 2022, 08:53:21 AM
SO....

RED or WHITE on the base model

2021 Centanario GREEN/GREY or 'Avant Garde' GREY for the S model....

I really like the WHITE but still think the green is going to be the best, but has anyone seen the Grey yet?????

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 11, 2022, 09:16:08 AM
First I’ve heard of the grey S model.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on September 11, 2022, 02:46:06 PM
The white is nice but I’d rather have the red one or the green one with the better suspension.

(https://i.ibb.co/CQSzLtn/54176109-CC42-4-B50-86-FA-5-D7-CFFFC1-B66.jpg)

Best color combo so far to my eye. Red should have black motor and swingarm with gold accents.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ccoli on September 11, 2022, 04:25:36 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/HnLW90c/IMG-20220911-225230.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HnLW90c)

(https://i.ibb.co/Yt07QHc/IMG-20220911-225227.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Yt07QHc)


Got to sit on it today at GMG 101. A bit tall for me as I am inseam impaired at 28.5 inches.
Otherwise felt to fit me quite well.  Not too much different than my old 1200Sport but a few seconds standing still, doesn't tell the story like a few hours on the road.
Spec sheet also included.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 11, 2022, 07:32:36 PM
Super Chris...thanks for sharing.

60 mpg!!  Wow...that's efficient!

Rosso Magma...Molten Volcano Red...nice color!  And White...so not many color choices for the first year edition, at least in this model...both look great however!

Look like someone else likes this color too:
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-one-off-ferrari-omologata-is-the-21st-centurys-most-stunning-car-full-stop/

4.6 gallon tank...not bad
513 lbs...very decent!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: moto on September 11, 2022, 09:29:57 PM
I'll bet that's Imperial mpg -- it's the only non-metric value displayed, which seems suspect.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on September 12, 2022, 08:06:22 AM
I've been poring over the recent pics of the new V100 from Mandello.  The design is great. Looks awesome to me. When I first saw it months ago, I thought, if Guzzi could get their quality control up to snuff, I might like to have one of those. 

Seeing these new pictures confirms my appreciation for the design concept.  However, for me, it's just too small.  Dimensionally, I don't think it work work well for me at 6'2" with an occasional passenger wanting to ride and overnight camping gear in tow.   

The engine is way ahead of anything they've shown before but it's a pea-shooter compared to flagship bikes of all the other brands. Park it next to a BMW R1250 and the difference will be blatant.  Maybe Guzzi is planning for this machine to be their successor to the current V7/V85 series as the entry-level ticket for a larger bike yet to come based on a similar engine architecture.

Good job, Moto Guzzi. More potential still out there for a full-sized bike.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guido guzzi on September 12, 2022, 08:27:50 AM
Super Chris...thanks for sharing.

60 mpg!!  Wow...that's efficient!


YMMV!  :laugh:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 12, 2022, 11:39:53 AM
I dunno.  To me the 1250GS motor is overkill.  Guzzi is what, 115 or so at the crank?  100bhp at the wheel.  Sounds like enough for the real world and further if the 1250 GS walks the new V100 it's the rider, not the motor-unless it's a 5 mile drag race.  And then, who cares about that?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ccoli on September 12, 2022, 12:55:22 PM
I'll bet that's Imperial mpg -- it's the only non-metric value displayed, which seems suspect.
Listed as 4.7l/ 100km which converts to 50mpg US and 60mpg Imperial
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 12, 2022, 02:24:18 PM
Listed as 4.7l/ 100km which converts to 50mpg US and 60mpg Imperial

Which is great by the way, compared to 42-44 mpg on the 1200 Norge, so that would be just fine AT 50 MPG.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 12, 2022, 02:31:22 PM
Listed as 4.7l/ 100km which converts to 50mpg US and 60mpg Imperial
If that’s not BS, then it’s better than my Norge. I can get that under absolutely ideal conditions at 100 kph but not in real world conditions,
My Norge will do 500 km to a tank to save it’s life, but you’re better off aiming for 470 safe k’s.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 12, 2022, 03:47:07 PM
specs make interesting reading

its not gonna be much faster than a griso then...?

All the early talk was that it would come in much lighter if I recall correctly

I really don't know how they can say it'll be a good 2-up bike when those passenger pegs are sitting so high...

Can't wait to swing a leg over one myself though and see whats what

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 12, 2022, 04:00:30 PM
All that newness and it still has an ignition key. Dumb.

-AJ

In the car theft world key less ignitions are preferred, easiest to hack.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on September 12, 2022, 08:54:12 PM


All that newness and it still has an ignition key. Dumb.

-AJ


In the car theft world key less ignitions are preferred, easiest to hack.

Yea, I consider the key ignition to be a very big plus!



Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on September 13, 2022, 09:18:25 AM

 .....I consider the key ignition to be a very big plus!

Oh how I wish my new Goldwing had a simple, small key, and latches for securing the pannier lids. I HATE the huge, battery operated "fob"! And you have to have the fob not only to open the panniers but to close them!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on September 13, 2022, 10:41:44 AM
Oh how I wish my new Goldwing had a simple, small key, and latches for securing the pannier lids. I HATE the huge, battery operated "fob"! And you have to have the fob not only to open the panniers but to close them!
Yeah +1 to that…!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on September 13, 2022, 10:52:06 AM
https://www.rideapart.com/news/609878/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-pricing/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 13, 2022, 12:32:43 PM
https://www.rideapart.com/news/609878/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-pricing/

Now all we need is a European delivery program!! 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on September 13, 2022, 05:21:50 PM
Cool Chris, you got sit on one!

I have to agree with Leafman, nice if they can get it all together.

The bike seems pretty close to my Duc SS939.  It's a little heavier and little larger engine.  If their quality is up, it would be in consideration. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on September 13, 2022, 05:38:37 PM
The factory is still following the model of making their bikes for Euro riders.  Mostly riding on mountain roads and short sprints down an "autostrada".  The American customer usually larger riders are out of the demographics.  If you're 6' or taller then it may not work for you.  5'10' height is what they use.  They went bigger with the Cal 1400 bikes but the sales worldwide did not live up to expectations.  They'll sell more these as mid-size bikes worldwide.  The Cal 1400's might have worked if they would push for police sales in the U.S. but they seem to have covered it with V85TT bikes.  If they want to do that.   :boozing: :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 14, 2022, 10:59:25 AM
It's a sport touring bike, it's not supposed to be a barge.  However, Guzzi has stated that the new engine has been designed to be downsized and upsized on forthcoming motorcycles.   As has been predicted for decades, but now very close at hand, the air cooled mill is close to the end.

The new motor, will carry on in different iterations and sizes, just as the air cooled blocks did, there just won't be any air cooled blocks in a few years or less.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on September 14, 2022, 01:41:05 PM
Y'ep tell that to the 6ft. plus guys wanting more leg room.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 14, 2022, 02:20:28 PM
Y'ep tell that to the 6ft. plus guys wanting more leg room.

Oddly enough there are a bunch of 6/3 or 6/4 guys riding V11's...considerably more cramped than the V100 is looking, I'm sure there will be lowered peg options, seat options etc. to make it more comfortable.

 :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 14, 2022, 02:32:16 PM
I think I understand what you're saying Tom.  I'm 6'6" and currently ride a v9 and a Breva 1100.   I would like more leg room on both, but it's not a deal killer.   For many of us, tall or short and inbetween, knee bend is the key.   The v9 is a smaller m/c is most every way than a B1100, but it is more comfortable to ride, because of a 90 degreeish knee bend, the B1100 looks to be much closer to the v100 in peg placement, with that being well over 90.

Those who want a bigger bike, will have to wait at least tell next year, but if your a Guzzi fan, your used to waiting! :grin: 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on September 14, 2022, 02:41:22 PM
I think I understand what you're saying Tom.  I'm 6'6" and currently ride a v9 and a Breva 1100.   I would like more leg room on both, but it's not a deal killer.   For many of us, tall or short and inbetween, knee bend is the key.   The v9 is a smaller m/c is most every way than a B1100, but it is more comfortable to ride, because of a 90 degreeish knee bend, the B1100 looks to be much closer to the v100 in peg placement, with that being well over 90.

Those who want a bigger bike, will have to wait at least tell next year, but if your a Guzzi fan, your used to waiting! :grin: 

So true.   :grin:  I feel for the bigger guys and have always wondered about the cramped "cockpit" seating of Moto Guzzis in general.  I'm 5'9" but I like the 6' seating.

The type of mods I'd do to an oem set-up.  Higher seat and lowered foot pegs.  Of course all of that would have to comply with the oem set-up.  Footpeg mounts etc.  Then you'd have to look at a different wind screen.  All of that for naught as I do 45 minute to 60 minute sprints with short breaks.   :grin:

I got my V11 LeMans Nero Corsa from a Milwaukee Motor Cop already set with all of that.  He is  6'4", 250lbs.  He doesn't post here anymore.  He ended up getting a Goldwing for him & wife to tour on.  A Sport Tourer does not work for him.  I tour ride by myself.  A better fit.  A Cal 1400 Touring is over kill for me but it works.   :thumb:  Less hassle with strapping down with bungees and cargo net.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on September 14, 2022, 03:21:32 PM
Have the seat modded to be a bit taller, add drop pegs, install bar raisers, Bob's your Uncle.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on September 14, 2022, 07:43:05 PM
It's a sport touring bike, it's not supposed to be a barge.  However, Guzzi has stated that the new engine has been designed to be downsized and upsized on forthcoming motorcycles.....

OK I'll bite, why would they "downsize" this motor given there'd be no weight savings? I can see future increase in displacement for performance, and to seduce current owners to "trade up".
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on September 14, 2022, 08:51:31 PM
OK I'll bite, why would they "downsize" this motor given there'd be no weight savings? I can see future increase in displacement for performance, and to seduce current owners to "trade up".

Probably to save cost on developing and building several motors. Have to meet all those "new" emission standards you know.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 14, 2022, 08:58:51 PM
sometimes smaller displacement bikes are sold in different countries for various license requirements. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 15, 2022, 09:09:40 AM
Bingo!   The old 2 valve big block, in it's final incarnation was available in various markets as a 850,940,1100 and 1200, all the same block.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on September 15, 2022, 09:53:08 AM
OK I can see reducing displacement to meet a country's requirement, just like Blanton reduces their alcohol to 40% when exporting to some countries (how's that for an analogy?) :)

But to my knowledge for marketing purpose it hasn't been very successful in the past such as when BMW tried it with their air-cooled twins and Suzuki with the DR350 and DR250. They all cost the same to manufacture.

 Although isn't Harley making different sizes of their new revolution motor like in the Pan America? I guess they could put a reduced displacement version in a bike like Sportsters for a few years then introduce a higher priced model with the regular motor.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Groover on September 15, 2022, 10:06:18 AM
Another video, not sure if it has been posted already. Anyone know what the price?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRPs1loIqFk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRPs1loIqFk)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on September 15, 2022, 10:08:09 AM
Another video, not sure if it has been posted already. Anyone know what the price?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRPs1loIqFk

European pricing announced, but not US yet. https://www.rideapart.com/news/609878/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-pricing/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on September 15, 2022, 10:38:07 AM
I'm hoping there will be an 850 "no frills" version down the line that will be a proper replacement for a Breva750. And cheaper than the base model of this (which I have absolutely nothing against at all, but the £££££ will be a bit to spicy for me).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on September 16, 2022, 03:38:22 PM
Fobs are great for cars. SUCK for bikes! How about a $1700 towing bill thanks to a key fob.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on September 16, 2022, 05:45:39 PM
I have one of those for my MP3 500.  :tongue:  $45 for the blank.  ACE Hardware didn't want to do the laser cut.  Had to send it to the vendor to get it cut.  Postage etc.  $100 total for the key AND.....you still have to program it for the bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 21, 2022, 09:38:12 AM
For you aviation guys:

(https://wlassets.motoguzzi.com/wlassets/moto-guzzi/master/Moto_Guzzi_World/v-100-aviazione/hero/V100-Mand_Aviaziane-Navale_hero_1920x800_1/original/V100-Mand_Aviaziane-Navale_hero_1920x800_1.jpg?1663750601708)

I guessing this is the current line up of colors and bikes:

(https://wlassets.motoguzzi.com/wlassets/moto-guzzi/master/Moto_Guzzi_World/v-100-aviazione/gallery/V100-Mand_Aviaziane-Navale_Gallery_1920x1080_7/original/V100-Mand_Aviaziane-Navale_Gallery_1920x1080_7.jpg?1663750781793)

https://www.motoguzzi.com/it_IT/mg-v100-aviazione-navale/?fbclid=IwAR3PNjMZe818QVWT7iakhlhSiDr7fwOV2s-oTCc8rl7N7y2W_t9sVNHB1zQ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AJ Huff on September 21, 2022, 10:03:07 AM
I use the key to lock/unlock the ignition switch on my 15 year old Road King. Otherwise the key and fob stays in my jacket pocket. Or even at home.
In 2020+ ignition keys are dumb.

-AJ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 21, 2022, 11:46:54 AM
Somebody's all ways got to complain about something.  Guzzi has always done thing their way, and if you don't like, so what?

Example, auto turn signal cancellers on bikes have been around since at least the mid 70s, but Guzzi, for decades said, "you want to turn off your blinkers, be a man, and do it your self."   I think it wasn't until the advent of the 1400 series that they gave in.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on September 21, 2022, 12:32:20 PM
They are also buying lots of supplies from China, Rings, valves, electrics, making the bikes unreliable.
For $20,000 I would want all European parts not junk.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sidecarnutz on September 21, 2022, 12:51:19 PM
What do you think folks, cool or cringe?

Being retired navy, I kinda like it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/moto-guzzi-and-navy-present-the-limited-edition-v100-mandello-aviazione-navale/ss-AA125iW1?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7b491fa8b76f4a9cd1331e3723b88385#image=1
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on September 21, 2022, 01:27:39 PM
Pick your color scheme...... I'm really liking the Grey and White



(https://i.ibb.co/F0K7PgM/img-2-1663784034182.jpg) (https://ibb.co/F0K7PgM)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: berniebee on September 21, 2022, 01:36:50 PM
Not military or ex, but I think the colour scheme is eccelente!  A beaut. The serial number engraved on an easily removed handle bar clamp seems pointless. A neat option would be for the manufacturer to engrave something personal when you order the bike! Also, I'd like to see some higher res pics.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bigbikerrick on September 21, 2022, 02:21:16 PM
I love it! What a beautiful, mechanical looking machine.  :thumb: :thumb: My First Guzzi was a numbered Rosso Mandello, its the one that planted the seed, way back in 2001. Its been mostly all Guzzis ever since. Im a sucker for special edition stuff!
Rick
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: OldMojo on September 21, 2022, 02:25:33 PM
The roundel is cool. Someone did that with a V11 Sport awhile back.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: fotoguzzi on September 21, 2022, 02:31:53 PM
Motorcycle and Navy? I don’t get the connection.. anyway I hope it’s the Italian Navy.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 21, 2022, 02:39:31 PM
For you aviation guys:

(https://wlassets.motoguzzi.com/wlassets/moto-guzzi/master/Moto_Guzzi_World/v-100-aviazione/hero/V100-Mand_Aviaziane-Navale_hero_1920x800_1/original/V100-Mand_Aviaziane-Navale_hero_1920x800_1.jpg?1663750601708)

I guessing this is the current line up of colors and bikes:

(https://wlassets.motoguzzi.com/wlassets/moto-guzzi/master/Moto_Guzzi_World/v-100-aviazione/gallery/V100-Mand_Aviaziane-Navale_Gallery_1920x1080_7/original/V100-Mand_Aviaziane-Navale_Gallery_1920x1080_7.jpg?1663750781793)

https://www.motoguzzi.com/it_IT/mg-v100-aviazione-navale/?fbclid=IwAR3PNjMZe818QVWT7iakhlhSiDr7fwOV2s-oTCc8rl7N7y2W_t9sVNHB1zQ

Well well...what a nice display!  Thanks for sharing.   That grey looks awfully good, can't tell if the 2nd one is black or a dark blue??
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sidecarnutz on September 21, 2022, 06:47:20 PM
Motorcycle and Navy? I don’t get the connection.. anyway I hope it’s the Italian Navy.

I commuted by bike to the Navy base every day for over ten years. Many years, I didn't own a car. I was on my Convert or Mille' GT.

You can see they are running a VERY tightly focused marketing campaign on this one. ;-)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on September 21, 2022, 07:48:20 PM
Can’t they offer at least one model without the gold cylinders and make them a natural alloy color? Kawasaki did that with some of their models back in the 80s.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 21, 2022, 10:01:05 PM
Can’t they offer at least one model without the gold cylinders and make them a natural alloy color? Kawasaki did that with some of their models back in the 80s.

Looks to me that the valve covers are the only thing gold on the engine.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on September 21, 2022, 10:08:43 PM
In one of the earlier video reviews of the V100- Motorcyclist maybe? - someone pointed out a small leak on the front of the engine case (where cam chain is on older bikes).  The leak looked like it came from a bolt into the case.  No such bolt exists on any of the newer pictures.  So...what was that bolt for, you suppose?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on September 22, 2022, 01:35:07 AM
In one of the earlier video reviews of the V100- Motorcyclist maybe? - someone pointed out a small leak on the front of the engine case (where cam chain is on older bikes).  The leak looked like it came from a bolt into the case.  No such bolt exists on any of the newer pictures.  So...what was that bolt for, you suppose?

Might of been a extra sensor port for prototype/ condition monitoring purposes.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on September 22, 2022, 06:05:55 AM
Well well...what a nice display!  Thanks for sharing.   That grey looks awfully good, can't tell if the 2nd one is black or a dark blue??

the Second from the left is the 'Avant Garde Grey' color announced for the S model

the center/light grey is a special edition for Italian naval aviation

funny they are showing a special edition before the standard models can even be ordered
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on September 22, 2022, 06:53:27 AM
Those are all handsome little bikes. Good design effort. Quite an attractive evolvement of the current V7's.
I don't like hearing what Guzzisteve said about cheap component parts and possible continued reliability/quality issues.  :copcar:

.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on September 22, 2022, 08:53:09 AM
the Second from the left is the 'Avant Garde Grey' color announced for the S model

the center/light grey is a special edition for Italian naval aviation

funny they are showing a special edition before the standard models can even be ordered

Thanks!  Saw the video this morning aboard the aircraft carrier...quite a nice marketing launch for Piaggio and Guzzi...well done.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on September 25, 2022, 06:30:01 PM
the Second from the left is the 'Avant Garde Grey' color announced for the S model

the center/light grey is a special edition for Italian naval aviation

funny they are showing a special edition before the standard models can even be ordered

Specials probably have a higher margin than the standards. Sell the 'halo' model to generate interest and cashflow then add more buyers with the standard later.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on September 26, 2022, 07:45:45 AM
Specials probably have a higher margin than the standards. Sell the 'halo' model to generate interest and cashflow then add more buyers with the standard later.
Learned this from Harley? SOP for them.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 26, 2022, 09:27:53 AM
Fobs are great for cars. SUCK for bikes! How about a $1700 towing bill thanks to a key fob.

Harley lets you enter a PIN in case you lose or break your fob. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 26, 2022, 09:29:04 AM
Nice article.  https://powersportsbusiness.com/top-stories/2022/09/23/moto-guzzi-italian-navy-celebrate-new-bike-aboard-aircraft-carrier/

Just not a big fan of radiators and hoses on a bike.  Some do a better job at hiding them than others. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on September 26, 2022, 03:26:28 PM
I would rather the bikes have all Itallian made parts too, but that just isn't going to happen.

I challenge anybody to find any MFG who produces vehicles in any real numbers, who doesn't use at least some parts from all over.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on September 27, 2022, 04:32:34 AM
MG is saying they prioritized pillion comfort, but it doesn’t look like
that is the case. Time and the aftermarket seat and bag mfgs will tell.
Also hoping there will be a cat eliminator pipe. (shhhh :cool)

Also wonder if there will be a topcase option for the
Mandello or if that will come on future Norge or Stelvio styled models.

Really liking the battleship grey package.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on September 27, 2022, 11:34:22 AM
Specials probably have a higher margin than the standards. Sell the 'halo' model to generate interest and cashflow then add more buyers with the standard later.

Might have higher margins, but a better value for the buyer if they want everything that comes standard on the specials when compared with adding it all piecemeal.  My new Guardia D'Onore was the best value in the 2022 V85TT lineup even though it is a special edition numbered bike. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on September 27, 2022, 01:06:39 PM
MG is saying they prioritized pillion comfort, but it doesn’t look like
that is the case. Time and the aftermarket seat and bag mfgs will tell.


The guzzi quote qbout prioritising pillion comfort seems like major bs to me

just look how high the pegs are!

Compare that to a cali or a loop frame

kinda makes me think the whole thing is just marketing nonsense and I'll admit to being really excited when I saw the first pics
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on September 29, 2022, 02:00:07 PM
I would rather the bikes have all Itallian made parts too, but that just isn't going to happen.

I challenge anybody to find any MFG who produces vehicles in any real numbers, who doesn't use at least some parts from all over.

Very true.  Most conglomerates are using suppliers or subsidiaries from cheaper labor markets.  Piaggio is making their wheels in China.  Michelin tires made in Serbia are supplied to Piaggio.  Honda is making their PCX 150 scooters in Vietnam & Thailand.  The tires for those scooters are made by factories in those respective countries.  The turn signals on the V11 Sports were also supplied to Kymco for their scooter line.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on September 29, 2022, 05:13:47 PM
if you want a bike you can afford, it has to be this way.  we have to hope that piaggio is keeping an eye on the quality control.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 13, 2022, 07:47:44 AM
“Tentative V100 accy list so far

Electronic antitheft
Moto Guzzi MIA installation kit
Side Panniers
Rear Rack
Center stand
Mounting equipment for auxiliary LED lights
Touring Windscreen - DOT
Antitheft installation kit
TPMS
Up/Down quickshifter
Aluminum cylinder head protection
USB socket (cockpit)
Engine protection bars
Heated grips
Passenger comfort seat
Heated Comfort Rider Seat - Low
Heated Comfort Rider Seat - High
Heated Comfort Rider Seat
Auxiliary LED lights
Moto Guzzi Mia
Topbox with brown backrest
Topbox with black backrest
INDOOR VEHICLE COVER”


“Got some USA delivery dates.  Pre-solds will ship first. 

The pre-book on the Moto Guzzi store is set to go live on Monday the 17th of Oct. 
[https://storeusa.motoguzzi.com/](https://storeusa.motoguzzi.com/)

-Bianco Polare – first arrivals (January arrival)

-Rosso Magma – first arrivals (January arrival)

-Verde 2121 – first arrivals (January arrival)

-Grigio Avanguardia – second arrival (invoiced January, arrival February – March Showroom)

-Special Edition: Avazione Navale – Q2 (May production, June arrival US)

Note: the dates above are the expected ETAs for USA dealers to be invoiced, it still take 30-45,
sometimes up to 60 days for your dealer to actually get the bike delivered.
Add that into the times above.”
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: dguzzi on October 13, 2022, 07:19:15 PM
  You missed "Long lasting valve train durability"
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on October 14, 2022, 02:47:45 AM
“Tentative V100 accy list so far

Electronic antitheft
Moto Guzzi MIA installation kit
Side Panniers
Rear Rack
Center stand
Mounting equipment for auxiliary LED lights
Touring Windscreen - DOT
Antitheft installation kit
TPMS
Up/Down quickshifter
Aluminum cylinder head protection
USB socket (cockpit)
Engine protection bars
Heated grips
Passenger comfort seat
Heated Comfort Rider Seat - Low
Heated Comfort Rider Seat - High
Heated Comfort Rider Seat
Auxiliary LED lights
Moto Guzzi Mia
Topbox with brown backrest
Topbox with black backrest
INDOOR VEHICLE COVER”


“Got some USA delivery dates.  Pre-solds will ship first. 

The pre-book on the Moto Guzzi store is set to go live on Monday the 17th of Oct. 
[https://storeusa.motoguzzi.com/](https://storeusa.motoguzzi.com/)

-Bianco Polare – first arrivals (January arrival)

-Rosso Magma – first arrivals (January arrival)

-Verde 2121 – first arrivals (January arrival)

-Grigio Avanguardia – second arrival (invoiced January, arrival February – March Showroom)

-Special Edition: Avazione Navale – Q2 (May production, June arrival US)

Note: the dates above are the expected ETAs for USA dealers to be invoiced, it still take 30-45,
sometimes up to 60 days for your dealer to actually get the bike delivered.
Add that into the times above.”

Looks like they are doing this right.

Look forward to seeing the bike with matching side and top cases.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 14, 2022, 06:03:17 AM
Looks like they are doing this right.

Look forward to seeing the bike with matching side and top cases.

(https://i.ibb.co/f95Tm58/AF0-A9604-8-BC0-434-D-89-C5-BD184234-E5-A3.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/3RGQ93T/DFB6-E12-C-3697-4983-83-FB-B4-DD1-D0-CB56-C.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/L85J3k0/8102-CF16-94-CD-4-AC1-AAED-2-B2-B4-B3-D95-E5.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 16, 2022, 07:20:30 AM
Surprised no one commented on the center stand.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phil/TX on October 17, 2022, 02:42:04 PM
I hope they have gold wheels, but it looks like they will be black. I guess I will have to get them powder coated at the first tire change. That said, I’m thinking of flying into Austin, and getting an Uber to the dealer and riding it home. Will have to see when they come in. AF1 told me mid December, so it looks like bu April I will have mine.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 17, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
I hope they have gold wheels, but it looks like they will be black. I guess I will have to get them powder coated at the first tire change. That said, I’m thinking of flying into Austin, and getting an Uber to the dealer and riding it home. Will have to see when they come in. AF1 told me mid December, so it looks like bu April I will have mine.

I was looking at the USA online ordering options for your bike and they only show black rims. I'm with you, I'd prefer the gold rims and I wonder if there is some way to swap them out at purchase time?  I'd ask AF1, you never know.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on October 17, 2022, 04:01:45 PM
The local dealer called me on Friday to inform me that they are taking pre orders for the first release of of the V100. I had expressed interest when the bike was first announced almost a year ago.  They have me on a list of similarly interested prospects. I am considering trading my 2016 Tuono Factory and was in hopes that the V100 would be, spec wise, somewhere in between the Tuono and griso. Not the case obviously at 115 hp and 77 ft. lbs. and 10 lbs. heavier. I imagine it will be quicker revving than the griso mill with the shorter stroke and wet clutch but no one seems to know for sure.   They told me the base model is white only and the s model is in grey only for the early arrivals in mid November. The grey  S model will have a grey fairing also. I do really like the white but I would most likely opt for the Ohlins on the S. What is peoples thoughts on how the new bike will stack up against the mighty griso? Hoping to replace two bikes with one I can live with.
There is a lot I like about the new platform but a lot of unknowns at this point also. They will be calling me back tomorrow and will hopefully have some more info which I will share.
 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on October 19, 2022, 04:57:43 PM
Looks like they have had an official press release launch event in Mandello https://youtu.be/c2J91UG6Fn8 so steadily getting closer, interesting comments on the power delivery in this one, although I expect quiet a number of first ride style reviews coming in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Frenchfrog on October 19, 2022, 05:19:50 PM
Apparently it should be in the French dealers in November
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on October 19, 2022, 05:32:50 PM
Got a little more info today. The early base model will be white here and the s model will be green/ grey. The performance will be an increase over the 12008v motor due to the increased hp. but mostly due to the 50 % reduction in inertia and the 9,000 plus red line. The motor is tuned to have the majority of its torque available low in the  rev range . The wheel base is  58.5 inches ,an inch and a half shorter than the Griso at 60 inches. Service intervals are at 10,000 miles and the wet clutch is claimed to be more durable ,long lasting than the traditional single plate dry clutch. Tft dash and electronics package are all Aprilia transplants and have  proven reliability.  The first delivery to this dealer are all pre orders and going fast.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LongRanger on October 19, 2022, 06:07:40 PM
$15,490 for the base V100 and $17,490 for the V100 S. I’m out.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on October 20, 2022, 06:35:32 AM
The price seems reasonable to me.  I paid about $15,000 in 2004 for a BMW 1150RT that needed a custom seat, windscreen and suspension to be comfortable.  Given inflation, I think the price may be a bargain if the bike runs as well as the reviews make out.  At that time, a  closer bike to the V100 was the K1200RS which cost about $18,000 then.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 20, 2022, 07:34:01 AM
How does it stack up against a Multistrada price wise ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on October 20, 2022, 09:03:55 AM
Got a little more info today. The early base model will be white here and the s model will be green/ grey. The performance will be an increase over the 12008v motor due to the increased hp. but mostly due to the 50 % reduction in inertia and the 9,000 plus red line. The motor is tuned to have the majority of its torque available low in the  rev range . The wheel base is  58.5 inches ,an inch and a half shorter than the Griso at 60 inches. Service intervals are at 10,000 miles and the wet clutch is claimed to be more durable ,long lasting than the traditional single plate dry clutch. Tft dash and electronics package are all Aprilia transplants and have  proven reliability.  The first delivery to this dealer are all pre orders and going fast.

Griso wheelbase was 61-inches.  So 2.5-inches shorter.

Interestingly, the V11 LeMans was 58.7-inches.  Sport 1100 was 58-inches.

 



Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 20, 2022, 09:08:49 AM
How does it stack up against a Multistrada price wise ?

Multistrada V4 Rally

Starts at $30K, about the same weight or maybe a little more than the V100 but it has 170hp and is approximately $12K more.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Nick on October 20, 2022, 09:13:34 AM
Multistrada V4 Rally

Starts at $30K, about the same weight or maybe a little more than the V100 but it has 170hp and is approximately $12K more.

BC,
time to sell your "old" Norge and get one  :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on October 20, 2022, 09:23:50 AM
Multistrada V4 Rally

Starts at $30K, about the same weight or maybe a little more than the V100 but it has 170hp and is approximately $12K more.

the 950 MS would be comparable. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on October 20, 2022, 09:30:12 AM
$30,000 bikes.  i'm out.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on October 20, 2022, 10:10:49 AM
The price seems reasonable to me.  I paid about $15,000 in 2004 for a BMW 1150RT that needed a custom seat, windscreen and suspension to be comfortable.  Given inflation, I think the price may be a bargain if the bike runs as well as the reviews make out.  At that time, a  closer bike to the V100 was the K1200RS which cost about $18,000 then.

The Euro has decreased in value by about 30% since 2004, offsetting inflation significantly for the US sales of European motorcycles.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 20, 2022, 11:04:13 AM
the 950 MS would be comparable.

Yes, the MS2V has around the same price, similar HP, similar weight, Ducati has a longer wheelbase @62 inches. Personally, the V100 is a better looking bike and I would assume a more affordable maintenance costs.  Granted the Ducati has a longer valve adjustment period, but I would guess that most owners have the dealer do that choir.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 20, 2022, 11:10:59 AM
BC,
time to sell your "old" Norge and get one  :wink:

Given the fact the Norge is only worth a couple of passes over the George Washington Bridge and there isn’t anything wrong with it I’m going to wait this one out until I can see one and sit on the bike. I do like the Ohlins version, wish they had the gold rims but I have a local powder coater who can make that change.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on October 20, 2022, 11:23:26 PM
Don't see this Motorcycle.com review posted: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-s-review-first-ride.html (https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-s-review-first-ride.html)

Very favorable review with the only real complaint being the quick-shifter not being dialed in. First real explanation on the affect of the aero wings - a discernible and favorable impact on airflow. Yeah, $15K-$17K is expensive for a Guzzi but have you priced a Ducati or BMW lately?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on October 21, 2022, 04:25:50 AM
Technical Data (https://wlassets.motoguzzi.com/wlassets/moto-guzzi/master/tech_spec/2022/V100_MANDELLO_EN/original/V100_MANDELLO_EN.pdf)

Quote
Wet weight 233 kg (According to guideline VO (EU) 168/2013 with all fluids, with standard
equipment and fuelled with at least 90% of usable tank volume)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 21, 2022, 07:04:52 AM
Don't see this Motorcycle.com review posted: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-s-review-first-ride.html (https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-s-review-first-ride.html)

Very favorable review with the only real complaint being the quick-shifter not being dialed in. First real explanation on the affect of the aero wings - a discernible and favorable impact on airflow. Yeah, $15K-$17K is expensive for a Guzzi but have you priced a Ducati or BMW lately?

Good review. I wonder what the maintenance is like with these valves? Similar to the current valve train on the big blocks?

“The two 96 x 72 mm pistons create a 1042cc displacement with components of combustion flowing through four-valve heads. The valves, however, no longer receive their instructions via pushrods; rather, chain-driven, dual overhead cams actuate finger followers to open and close the valves. These followers allow for more aggressive cam profiles, benefitting performance, efficiency, and emissions at the same time.“
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on October 21, 2022, 07:34:51 AM
I'm in hopes that the camshaft finger followers are of the roller variety . I would imagine that lash adjustment will be by a shim arrangement as the whole point of going to finger followers is to eliminate reciprocating mass ie; screw adjusters, allowing for higher rpm's . Whatever the adjustment method is it will still be easy access in true Guzzi fashion :thumb: I heard 10,000 mile intervals.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on October 22, 2022, 03:43:53 AM
Some facts, source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPdQbymS-fs


(https://i.ibb.co/Tm8y10R/v100-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Tm8y10R)

(https://i.ibb.co/c8JnZxx/v100-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c8JnZxx)

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on October 22, 2022, 04:39:44 AM
Specs and pricing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us8sy9-nFjw you don't have to noodle it! whatever that is (thanks youtube auto translate!)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on October 22, 2022, 09:51:02 PM
So as the specs have been dribbling out and pics emerge, it seems like the V100 is a VERY close match to the 1200 Sport.

A few take aways - The V100 is:
- Lower in displacement by 109cc, but up on power by 24hp
- 9lbs heavier
-.5" shorter wheelbase
- 3" shorter overall
-.5" taller seat height for stock saddle
- 20mm longer suspension travel F and R
- similar estimated range of 200 miles with 1/2 gallon in tank
- triple bag setup, though it looks like all are smaller compared to the 1200 Sport running Norge Bags

I filled out a spreadsheet and copied below

Specs           Moto Guzzi 1200 Sport   Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello   
Displacement   1151cc                      1042cc   
Horsepower   93.87 @7800rpm      115hp @7800   
Torque           73.8ft lbs @6000rpm      77.4ft lbs @6750   
Curb Weight   229kg (504.9lbs)      233kg (513.6lbs)   
Wheelbase           1485mm (58.5in)      1475mm (58.07)   
Seat Height   800mm (31.5in)      815mm (32in)   
Length           2195mm (86.4in)      2125mm (83.6in)   
Rake                   25 deg                      24.7deg   
Trail                   120mm                      104mm   
Susp TravF/R   110/110                      130/130   
Fuel Capacity   6 gal                              4.5 gal   
Mileage/range   40mpg/200 (5.5gal)      50mpg/200 (4 gal)   

Of Course you HAVE to have pics.....

(https://i.ibb.co/Q6BCqwJ/Moto-Guzzi-1200-Sport-4-V-09-3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Q6BCqwJ)

(https://i.ibb.co/nscG9fN/091021-2022-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-03-768x512.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nscG9fN)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: averb on October 23, 2022, 12:38:49 AM
You are comparing the dry weight of the Sport with the wet weight of the V100
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on October 23, 2022, 06:53:47 AM
And the compression ratio has gone from 11:1 on the 8v to 12.6 : 1 on the v1oo = more power and with 50% less inertia  the v100 will spin up a lot faster .
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on October 23, 2022, 07:24:06 AM
Also power peak is just shy of 9000rpm redline is 9500.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 23, 2022, 08:11:19 AM
I think the dry weight is like 467lbs but that is from memory.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on October 23, 2022, 05:50:27 PM
You are comparing the dry weight of the Sport with the wet weight of the V100

I think the dry weight is like 467lbs but that is from memory.

Nope, Dry weight of the V100 (at least on the Guzzi website) is 513 https://storeusa.motoguzzi.com/v100.aspx

Point is the bikes are very similar. The 1200 Sport is part power cruiser, part sports tourer. Many consider it the 'sweet spot' of the Breva/Norge/Stelvio, and is a great do it all. As much as I like the fully faired weather protection in the winter, I like the medium sport fairing on a sports touring chassis as my main touring ride. Had a Rifle fairing on my XS1100 with bags, then an FZ1 with bags from an FJR.  I also had a Concours, FJR1300 and Norge, and prefered the smaller faired bikes better.

I hope the V100 sells better than the 1200 Sport did. I remember when the 1200 Sport hit the US, I was smitten, but where to find a dealer? It wasn't till 2015 that I actually had a chance to see or ride a modern Guzzi. Started on a Griso, and immediately started looking for a 1200 Sport. Took till 2020 to get mine.

Just put a brilliant 350 miles on it today. Such a fine bike and is flawless at 77K miles.... It's going to be hard to give up, but right now the V100 is in that perfect 'slot' for me.


(https://i.ibb.co/gVtg1SL/IMG-20221023-115822778.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gVtg1SL)


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rschrum on October 23, 2022, 09:20:50 PM
Back in the mid 2000's, the 1000cc Rotex V twin put out 140hp.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on October 24, 2022, 01:03:36 AM
Without having to meet 2022 and beyond emissions requirements....... ...............
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 24, 2022, 05:59:25 AM
Something changed because I read in a few place that this was the weight:

“All up the bike weighs in at 233 kg wet, or 212 kg dry, with a wheelbase of 1475 mm, width of 835 mm and rake and trail or 24.7 degrees and 104 mm respectively.“
https://www.mcnews.com.au/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-deep-dive-full-specs-and-feature-list/


Dry 212KG: 467.63 lbs.

Wet: 513.67 lbs.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on October 24, 2022, 06:30:53 AM
No way in hell a Sport 1200 only weighs 505#??????????????????????????????????????????? Maybe with all fluids drained, no luggage racks, no accessories
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Nick on October 24, 2022, 07:37:29 AM
No way in hell a Sport 1200 only weighs 505#??????????????????????????????????????????? Maybe with all fluids drained, no luggage racks, no accessories

Dry weight: 229 Kg (505 Lbs)

https://www.webbikeworld.com/moto-guzzi-1200-sport/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 24, 2022, 07:49:53 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/syZFv1G/B10777-B2-197-B-48-FA-BD42-F9-E68-A5-CF894.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Guzzi Gal on October 24, 2022, 11:28:37 AM
Andy Greaser likes it! Read the 2023 Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello first ride review here:

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-ride-motorcycle-review?utm_source=instagram-story&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=boosted-posts%7Ctpfn-content-organic&utm_content=bike-review-article-organic&utm_term=2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-first-ride-motorcycle-review-102422-%7Ctpfn-organic
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 24, 2022, 01:04:09 PM
Very good review.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rschrum on October 24, 2022, 08:45:17 PM
2023 Ducati V twin 955cc, 155hp. $17700.00
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on October 24, 2022, 09:28:50 PM
2023 Ducati V twin 955cc, 155hp. $17700.00
That's a lot more hp for an extra $200.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on October 25, 2022, 06:03:17 AM
It's a lot more if you like the bike.  My son had a Multistrada that I could not ride for over 10 minutes.  The power was twitchy, riding position cramped compared to the V85 and the seat kept sliding my nutz into the tank.  150 on it vs. 80 hp did matter on that bike.  Of course, there was also the chain.
 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 25, 2022, 06:24:19 AM
I honestly think the majority of riders these days, rate outright power a lot further down the list than they once would have.
I know I do.
If someone told me they could inject a 25% performance boost into either of my road Guzzi’s free of charge, I’d not be slightly tempted.
I actually like the (relatively) sane power of my Norge, it tells you how it’s “feeling” when it begins to work. My mate’s Kawasaki ZX14R just heartlessly crushes everything under it’s wheels, you don’t feel “involved” as much.
Just look at what a big proportion of bike buyers opt for, Enfields, V7’s and the like.
Certainly in Australia, you cannot even approach the idea of exploring your bike’s capabilities, even if you are good enough.
You WILL lose your licence, then you WILL lose your job, then you WON’T go to Europe. Personally if I had a Hyabusa, it would crap me off to know that I was riding around at highway speeds on 10% throttle..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 25, 2022, 07:15:14 AM
2023 Ducati V twin 955cc, 155hp. $17700.00

Which bike are you referencing?

https://www.ducati.com/us/en/home/ducati-world-premiere?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=dwp2023&gclid=Cj0KCQjwkt6aBhDKARIsAAyeLJ2JARJCoGpRlAo9BysXD-BHHqgBF9N_IB6SKP4SfcKkyuKwMgVPdWgaAoeYEALw_wcB
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on October 25, 2022, 07:43:37 AM
I honestly think the majority of riders these days, rate outright power a lot further down the list than they once would have.
I know I do.
If someone told me they could inject a 25% performance boost into either of my road Guzzi’s free of charge, I’d not be slightly tempted.
I actually like the (relatively) sane power of my Norge, it tells you how it’s “feeling” when it begins to work. My mate’s Kawasaki ZX14R just heartlessly crushes everything under it’s wheels, you don’t feel “involved” as much.
Just look at what a big proportion of bike buyers opt for, Enfields, V7’s and the like.
Certainly in Australia, you cannot even approach the idea of exploring your bike’s capabilities, even if you are good enough.
You WILL lose your licence, then you WILL lose your job, then you WON’T go to Europe. Personally if I had a Hyabusa, it would crap me off to know that I was riding around at highway speeds on 10% throttle..

Truer words have never been spoken. As much as I  am in awe of my Tuono's  performance capabilities,  There is no way to utilize the majority of them legally on the street. It eats fuel and tires for breakfast and is about as comfortable for me as a go cart. It was an impulse purchase that I do not entirely regret but, it will soon be replaced by a more road developed option. The technological aspects of the Tuono I do enjoy and find relevant, ABS , traction control, quick shifter ect, and the handling is second to none. I think the v100 will be a perfect fusion of all the above without the unusable ,insane H.P. of the Aprilia and with much better rider comfort and ease of maintenance. I'm sure if the performance level is similar to the 8v there will be plenty on tap for ninety percent of street riders. I think this new platform will be a big hit for M.G. as was the 85tt. It will certainly lead to some interesting variants in the future . If nothing else , hats off to Piaggio for the investments they have put into the M.G. brand.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 25, 2022, 08:21:42 AM
Truer words have never been spoken. As much as I  am in awe of my Tuono's  performance capabilities,  There is no way to utilize the majority of them legally on the street. It eats fuel and tires for breakfast and is about as comfortable for me as a go cart. It was an impulse purchase that I do not entirely regret but, it will soon be replaced by a more road developed option. The technological aspects of the Tuono I do enjoy and find relevant, ABS , traction control, quick shifter ect, and the handling is second to none. I think the v100 will be a perfect fusion of all the above without the unusable ,insane H.P. of the Aprilia and with much better rider comfort and ease of maintenance. I'm sure if the performance level is similar to the 8v there will be plenty on tap for ninety percent of street riders. I think this new platform will be a big hit for M.G. as was the 85tt. It will certainly lead to some interesting variants in the future . If nothing else , hats off to Piaggio for the investments they have put into the M.G. brand.
Yes Lucian.
I know that a lot of the reason that I have bought GSXR 1100’s GPZ 900 R’s and those sort of things, is that my mates were on similar and the small man syndrome in me did not want to be outdone. Now when you turn up to a ride on your Enfield 650, V85TT, BMW800 GS et al, you’ll more likely in similar company than different and if that has a bearing conscious or otherwise, you’ll be level with your peers.
These days if a borderline overweight 64 ish year old guy with a verandah over the tool shed, rocks up on a Desmosedici Ducati, he looks like Rupert Murdoch in a Ferrari and a 22 year old supermodel “friend..”  :wink:
You’ll just look like a tosser and will have that fact reinforced by your mates.
The race rep thing is over.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dukedesmo on October 25, 2022, 08:35:13 AM
UK bike magazine MCN like it; https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/v100-mandello/2023/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on October 25, 2022, 02:29:27 PM
Love that review. The bike sounds like a home run.  I had convinced myself that my V85 is all I need.  Now, I am not sure I want to test ride this bike.  I had convinced myself that my Cali Custom (Blu Guzz) was all I needed and then the demo truck with the V85's came to town.  I never should have ridden the V85 either. Am I a bike whore?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on October 25, 2022, 06:00:32 PM
This may help, or not.

I tell my bride many bikes, one wife, and not the other way around.  Be sure to get your :evil: head out of the contact  zone...... :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on October 29, 2022, 09:25:44 AM
So many review videos coming out.  I'm glad Moto Guzzi invited respected moto-journalists instead of youtube influencers to the demo rides.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqcbgFbVmXc

Looks like everyone is giving the quick shifter negatives.  What is the deal with quick shifters anyways?  Is it because no one learns to drive a stick anymore so they also don't want to deal with a clutch on a motorcycle? 

The more videos I watch the more it grows on me.  But then I have to consider if I am going to spend over $17k on a motorcycle, what are my choices and what do I want to do with said motorcycle.

Some of the bikes I would consider, and would have to research how they stack up:

Triumph Scrambler XE
Ducati Multistrada V2
Kawasaki Versys 1000 LT
BMW R1250R
Triumph Tiger 900 GT

Of course the BMW is the only one with shaft drive.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on October 29, 2022, 10:10:19 AM
2023 Ducati V twin 955cc, 155hp. $17700.00

apples and oranges.  the V2 is a total performance bike that doesn't come on the cam until 8k rpms and peaks at 10.5k.  It's in the V2 and also Street Fighter.

The more applicable engine is the Duc 937 cc engine,  good for 113hp and peaks at 9k, solid torque at 3k, gets on the cam at 6k.  This one is in the Multi, SS, Monster and X bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 29, 2022, 11:58:16 AM
apples and oranges.  the V2 is a total performance bike that doesn't come on the cam until 8k rpms and peaks at 10.5k.  It's in the V2 and also Street Fighter.

The more applicable engine is the Duc 937 cc engine,  good for 113hp and peaks at 9k, solid torque at 3k, gets on the cam at 6k.  This one is in the Multi, SS, Monster and X bike.

Ducati has extended the valve adjustment period to 15,000 miles for that engine but is it safe to say that unless you adjust them yourself the cost is in the $800 to $1,100 dollar range at the dealer?  If we take $1,000 as the average, by the time you get to 60,000 miles you will have invested an additional $4,000 into the cost of a depreciating bike. Yes, I understand you can skip an adjustment period but.......
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on October 29, 2022, 01:02:12 PM
Ducati has extended the valve adjustment period to 15,000 miles for that engine but is it safe to say that unless you adjust them yourself the cost is in the $800 to $1,100 dollar range at the dealer?  If we take $1,000 as the average, by the time you get to 60,000 miles you will have invested an additional $4,000 into the cost of a depreciating bike. Yes, I understand you can skip an adjustment period but.......

the 937 has an 18k Desmo interval.  I have a mechanic that did the entire 18k service for about $600 labor (valve adj, belt replacement, fork oil, and several other checks).  The labor was about the same for 4 cyl sportsbike.  The parts were another issue, I should've gotten the belts & spark plugs online rather than purchasing from the local dealer, and I would've save $120 on parts- lesson learned.     
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on October 29, 2022, 01:36:05 PM
the 937 has an 18k Desmo interval.  I have a mechanic that did the entire 18k service for about $600 labor (valve adj, belt replacement, fork oil, and several other checks).  The labor was about the same for 4 cyl sportsbike.  The parts were another issue, I should've gotten the belts & spark plugs online rather than purchasing from the local dealer, and I would've save $120 on parts- lesson learned.   
In Socal the Desmo service is over $2000 at the Ducati dealer without the fork oil service.
Is there a decent motel near your mechanic's shop? I would save a bundle even after subtracting for gas and 3 motel nights.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on October 29, 2022, 03:08:54 PM
So many review videos coming out.  I'm glad Moto Guzzi invited respected moto-journalists instead of youtube influencers to the demo rides.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqcbgFbVmXc

Looks like everyone is giving the quick shifter negatives.  What is the deal with quick shifters anyway?  Is it because no one learns to drive a stick anymore so they also don't want to deal with a clutch on a motorcycle? 

The more videos I watch the more it grows on me.  But then I have to consider if I am going to spend over $17k on a motorcycle, what are my choices and what do I want to do with said motorcycle.

Some of the bikes I would consider, and would have to research how they stack up:

Triumph Scrambler XE
Ducati Multistrada V2
Kawasaki Verses 1000 LT
BMW R1250R
Triumph Tiger 900 GT

Of course the BMW is the only one with shaft drive.

As I understand it, a quick shifter is just that, it allows for considerably faster shifting.  Instead of depending on a daft rider to pull in the clutch, figure out how to shift, and time it correctly, the computer blips the motor as soon as input from the foot shift is received.   I have never used one, and I have doubts as to its real world advantages.  For racing, certainly, you won't find a real racer running without one (except for vintage stuff).   

I do however think in might be fun to just seamlessly snick the shifter in to gear without all the, frivolous  farting around with the left hand.  That said, it's far from the top of my list of must haves.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 29, 2022, 04:14:38 PM
As I understand it, a quick shifter is just that, it allows for considerably faster shifting.  Instead of depending on a daft rider to pull in the clutch, figure out how to shift, and time it correctly, the computer blips the motor as soon as input from the foot shift is received.   I have never used one, and I have doubts as to its real world advantages.  For racing, certainly, you won't find a real racer running without one (except for vintage stuff).   

I do however think in might be fun to just seamlessly snick the shifter in to gear without all the, frivolous  farting around with the left hand.  That said, it's far from the top of my list of must haves.
I still maintain that asking the flywheel and rotating engine mass, to alter it’s rpm by 500 in 0.2 seconds is going to have cumulative effects over millions of changes.
It cannot be at the appropriate rpm for the next gear at the moment the dogs engage.
The GEARS are, because they’re constant mesh.

But can someone tell me if the new gear requires say 3,500 rpm at the flywheel and 0.2 seconds before it was at 4,000 rpm, what has slowed the rotating mass to the new rpm in that interval of time.

Please…..
NO anecdotal evidence..
NO half baked analogies..
NO references to how you can shift clutchlessly and your mate used to have a Norton…(or something).
In the time it takes to adopt the new rpm at the flywheel for the next gear, the engine has been forced to dump a LOT of rotational momentum.
Now before you tell me about the cushioning in the drive train, I’ll ask you this..
If you select say, 3rd gear on your V100 on the centrestand or workshop stand.
Rotate the rear wheel hard in one direction until it’s up against compression, then rotate it in the opposite direction up against the compression, you will get what…..20 degrees of rotation ?
Now at 80 kph your rear wheel will be spinning at say…400 rpm ?…(I have not done the math but you can).
With numbers like that, your 20 degrees of slack time rotation where the engine has to drop 500 rpm is what…0.001 seconds..?
Point is.
From hard up against the shock absorbers in the gearbox in one direction to the same condition a few milliseconds later, your expensive and much anticipated (rightfully) V100, has no chance of avoiding a metal to metal collision of some mechanical unsympathetic nature inside the drivetrain.
Newton knew that energy is not lost, it is converted and his law of conservation of angular momentum says that the flywheel has less energy after the change than before due to the lower rpm.
The shock is delivered down the drivetrain hundreds of thousands of times
Give us all a report on your quick shift gearbox at 200,000+ kilometres. All the time you “didn’t waste worrying about having to use the clutch….” :rolleyes:
Will be handy when you’re rebuilding the innards... :clock:

Just sayin….


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on October 29, 2022, 04:47:32 PM
In Socal the Desmo service is over $2000 at the Ducati dealer without the fork oil service.
Is there a decent motel near your mechanic's shop? I would save a bundle even after subtracting for gas and 3 motel nights.

Each Ducati model and engine have their own costs and level of effort.  The newer bikes are quite a bit easier and cheaper to maintain, depending on the model.

Before I purchased my bike, I discussed costs with a local independent tech.  He filled me into the book rate and the like.  For my bike it was essentially the same amount of hours as 4 cyl shim bike.   My SS 937 has been stone reliable for 25k miles (knock wood) except for broken clutch cable, likely a result of falling off the rear stand and damaging the clutch lever.



(https://g3.img-dpreview.com/70F3A0724B7A4AD08C5FF66D9DFC7573.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on October 29, 2022, 05:26:05 PM
A quick shifter will not work without a slipper clutch for all the reasons Pete describes. That said the quick upshifter on my Tuono works flawlessly as long as you keep a steady throttle and let the computer do its job. A split second ignition cut is all that is required to unload the gearbox under acceleration and allow the transition to the next gear. Engine rpm is dictated by the driveline load requirement not the other way around.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 29, 2022, 06:46:37 PM
Engine rpm is dictated by the driveline load requirement not the other way around.
Actually, engine rpm is a function of rear wheel rpm x the applied ratio.
Cutting the ignition will certainly unload the driveline allowing for that “slack” time as the new ratio is selected, but it does NOT help the rpm to adopt the new figure in the minuscule time available.
A slipper clutch (if fitted) is the thing that will save the internals from exiting early, but it’s still a lot of energy to dissipate (up change) or impart (downchange) to the rotating mass.
The load is the same, it’s just in the opposite rotational direction.
Still though.
I will not be proven correct or incorrect for a long time until V100’s have 200,000 k and 15 years on them. By then I’ll be 80 years old and too decrepit to cheer, or too much of a curmudgeon to apologise…
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 29, 2022, 06:58:14 PM
I had convinced myself that my V85 is all I need.
It is, but no one “needs” a bike.
As for the other thing
For a bike, you pay for it to arrive…
For the other, you pay them to leave…

That’s the sad bit.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on October 29, 2022, 07:56:42 PM
i find the most difficult thing about a quick shifter is to remind myself NOT to change the gas or use the clutch.  It is very deeply programmed muscle memory at this point.  Downshifting is ok...upshifting is where I start mixing it up.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on October 30, 2022, 06:27:45 AM
Quick shifters have been around for at least a decade, probably much longer, it is not cutting-edge tech.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on October 30, 2022, 09:29:14 AM
I still maintain that asking the flywheel and rotating engine mass, to alter it’s rpm by 500 in 0.2 seconds is going to have cumulative effects over millions of changes.
It cannot be at the appropriate rpm for the next gear at the moment the dogs engage.
The GEARS are, because they’re constant mesh.

But can someone tell me if the new gear requires say 3,500 rpm at the flywheel and 0.2 seconds before it was at 4,000 rpm, what has slowed the rotating mass to the new rpm in that interval of time.

Please…..
NO anecdotal evidence..
NO half baked analogies..
NO references to how you can shift clutchlessly and your mate used to have a Norton…(or something).
In the time it takes to adopt the new rpm at the flywheel for the next gear, the engine has been forced to dump a LOT of rotational momentum.
Now before you tell me about the cushioning in the drive train, I’ll ask you this..
If you select say, 3rd gear on your V100 on the centrestand or workshop stand.
Rotate the rear wheel hard in one direction until it’s up against compression, then rotate it in the opposite direction up against the compression, you will get what…..20 degrees of rotation ?
Now at 80 kph your rear wheel will be spinning at say…400 rpm ?…(I have not done the math but you can).
With numbers like that, your 20 degrees of slack time rotation where the engine has to drop 500 rpm is what…0.001 seconds..?
Point is.
From hard up against the shock absorbers in the gearbox in one direction to the same condition a few milliseconds later, your expensive and much anticipated (rightfully) V100, has no chance of avoiding a metal to metal collision of some mechanical unsympathetic nature inside the drivetrain.
Newton knew that energy is not lost, it is converted and his law of conservation of angular momentum says that the flywheel has less energy after the change than before due to the lower rpm.
The shock is delivered down the drivetrain hundreds of thousands of times
Give us all a report on your quick shift gearbox at 200,000+ kilometres. All the time you “didn’t waste worrying about having to use the clutch….” :rolleyes:
Will be handy when you’re rebuilding the innards... :clock:

Just sayin….

I appreciate your detailed and analytical way of looking at things and I'd love to read an answer to this too!

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: flower_king001 on October 30, 2022, 10:20:38 AM

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Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 30, 2022, 03:02:50 PM
I appreciate your detailed and analytical way of looking at things and I'd love to read an answer to this too!
For me the mention that it has a slipper clutch, removes some of the reservations I hold (held).
I still don’t like it though, there is the issue of slamming (or removing) 500 rpm into the system in the minuscule time available and the accelerations that are involved.
What for I suggest ?
What are the examples of conventional wisdom that support the adopting of this feature ? As a thought experiment, imagine a rotating mass equal to that of the mechanicals of the V100 spinning at 4,000 rpm and you have a brake with a 1 m lever attached.
You are asked to apply that brake and drop the whole thing from 4,000 to 3,500 in 0.2 seconds, that is the force that you are slamming down the drive train.
The splines, gears, universal joints and pinion feel it all…every single time…
If I get a V100, I will disconnect or just not use it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on October 30, 2022, 04:10:53 PM
The slipper clutch is only useful on clutch less downshifts,  It will prevent the shock loading you describe until the engine and rear tire forces line up. Up shifting under acceleration only requires a brief ignition cut to shift, no different than blipping the throttle to shift without clutching.  As long as the computer timing is spot on no damage to the driveling will result from using the quick shifter or auto blipper. The Tuono has a cassette gearbox so even if you lunch the shift dogs its an easy rebuild. I was in hopes the v100 has the same but I doubt it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on October 31, 2022, 09:36:32 AM
The slipper clutch is only useful on clutch less downshifts, 

Well, it also helps reduce rear wheel hop under hard deceleration.

Slipper clutches have been in superbikes for decades.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 31, 2022, 09:52:17 AM

Slipper clutches have been in superbikes for decades.
Yes.
But they don’t last 100,000+ kilometres. I hope the V100 is not heralding the entrance of Moto Guzzi into the “throw away bike” mentality.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on October 31, 2022, 10:05:50 AM
My Duc has a slipper.  It's OK.  I like to blip the throttle when I downshift, actually one of the pleasures of riding.  I've felt it up on occasion.  Not often.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on October 31, 2022, 10:07:48 AM
Yes.
But they don’t last 100,000+ kilometres. I hope the V100 is not heralding the entrance of Moto Guzzi into the “throw away bike” mentality.

Well, it appears that the clutch on the new engine has easy access, so clutch changes should be much less of a chore, not that the new wet clutch will be needing it very often.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on October 31, 2022, 03:18:04 PM
And how often does one use the slipper clutch in day to day riding?  Can't be that big a deal to replace either.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 31, 2022, 03:33:13 PM
And how often does one use the slipper clutch in day to day riding?  Can't be that big a deal to replace either.
Taking the tank off a Norge is not a big deal either, but I’ve read here, tales of guys that have balked at replacing inner plugs because it’s “ too hard to get the tank off and airbox out..”  :rolleyes:
Nothing is a big deal until you come to pay for it..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on October 31, 2022, 04:27:33 PM
You have a point young Huzo.   Happily there are a plethora of sub $12,000 bikes (AU/USA same point) that will keep those folks happy.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 03, 2022, 04:03:49 PM
If this already been posted I apologize. Good review from Motorcycle News.
kk
https://youtu.be/jiVv5YRtzyc
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Alfetta on November 03, 2022, 04:38:19 PM
Michael does say that the active tank flaps didn't seem to to a thing...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guido guzzi on November 04, 2022, 09:16:40 AM
But does it have a sight glass?  :laugh:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on November 04, 2022, 09:54:29 AM
Yes.
But they don’t last 100,000+ kilometres. I hope the V100 is not heralding the entrance of Moto Guzzi into the “throw away bike” mentality.

Most modern bikes with the scheduled maintenance will easily pass that figure, they normally end up as track bikes long before that.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on November 05, 2022, 08:54:26 AM
Chatted with the local dealer and went through the whole pre-order build on the website.  Looking at ordering a base model in red with engine guards, centerstand, heated grips, dash USB Aand panniers. All of the extras are dealer installed. The panniers are not color matched to the base models as they only come in black/grey so I guess I will find a local paint shop to fix this little over sight.

In order to make room in my stable I have listed my 06 V11 Breva in the swap meet.

Skippy
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bobrebos1 on November 05, 2022, 09:41:15 PM
WOW, Liquid cooked Moto Guzzi.  I really am too old!  Lol
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 05, 2022, 10:16:46 PM
WOW, Liquid cooked Moto Guzzi.  I really am too old!  Lol
If the title was posed as a question, then the answer is yes and yes.
But worse oversights have been committed mate… :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on November 06, 2022, 05:42:18 AM
Yes Bob, you are definitely late to this game  :grin:  It's been discussed on WG since 2021.  :whip2:

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=112212.30


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 06, 2022, 05:49:21 AM
better late then never.  we probably have at least 6 more months to talk about it until the actual bikes show up, so, jump in, the water's fine.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 06, 2022, 07:19:52 AM
I have a '22 Bonneville. It is water cooled and fuel injected but to look at it you would never know. The radiator is quite well hidden and it has fake carburetors.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on November 06, 2022, 11:15:12 AM
I've ridden a couple hundred thousand miles on water cooled bikes. Only 1 minor problem, the overflow hose spilt. Of course they were all one of those homogenized appliance soulless Honda bikes.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 08, 2022, 12:26:01 PM
Yes Bob, you are definitely late to this game  :grin:  It's been discussed on WG since 2021.  :whip2:

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=112212.30

I've gone ahead and merged this new merged thread into the original merged threadfest.

LOL!  Lots of talk about this bike over the past couple years...

I hope the bike pans out.  And, would really like to see a more retro-standard version in the lineup.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on November 08, 2022, 06:02:50 PM
And how often does one use the slipper clutch in day to day riding?  Can't be that big a deal to replace either.

If you  ride as you normally do, never, its like a quick shifter you are not obliged to use it. Whats more likely is it allows the ABS system to clamp the rear brake as hard as possible with out stalling the motor irrespective of what gear its in and irrespective if the rider in their panic has pulled the clutch or not. Although with the concept been in bikes for the last 15 years the clutch may well be the stock RSV4 aprilia part that has the capability and rather than redesigning the part they have simply used it in the V100 as is.

Initially I was a little cold on the V100, with the ride reviews talking about massive mid range torque, I will be interested in a  test ride when a demo comes available. Massive mid range and about 120ish hp is around the 11degree tettasrtada motor made way back when and that is a brilliant road bike motor. Just need to see what the range of the v100 works out to be, the tank is kinda small although they have made some fairly stout fuel burn claims.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on November 08, 2022, 07:29:14 PM
Quote
...  Just need to see what the range of the v100 works out to be, the tank is kinda small although they have made some fairly stout fuel burn claims.   

Yes, I'll believe those claims when I see them. Remember to determine if they're Imperial gallons or US gallon miles. Imperial gal. is about 1.2 US gal.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on November 09, 2022, 04:11:05 AM
I'm looking at the metric numbers. :P
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 09, 2022, 08:40:16 AM
I have a hard time thinking most of the tech on bikes has any real significance in how most of us ride 99% of the time (on the road).
Huzo seems spot on, as usual.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on November 09, 2022, 08:47:41 AM
If the technology is well implemented, you shouldn't even know you are using it.  I have an older Guzzi and a very modern BMW-  both are great; the Guzzi is very old-school in its clunky and charming demeanor and the BMW has lots of tech it in that works seamlessly for a very tight and smooth ride with suspension and traction control that adapts to the road.  I suspect the V100 experience will be closer to the BMW than the Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on November 09, 2022, 12:05:30 PM
I have a hard time thinking most of the tech on bikes has any real significance in how most of us ride 99% of the time (on the road).
Huzo seems spot on, as usual.
From my previous experience with the older version of Ohlins semi-active suspension, most will find it significant at least 99% of the time. It was missed after I replaced that bike.
On the other hand, cornering abs won't  have any real significance at least 99% of the time. Although at that rare time, if it saves your life, that's significant.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on November 09, 2022, 12:12:45 PM
If the technology is well implemented, you shouldn't even know you are using it...
But every time I come to a stop and there is no front end dive I am reminded. Unless I had never ridden any other bike. In that case the tech implemented well would be invisible.
(BMW telelever excepted)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 09, 2022, 01:28:47 PM
I have a hard time thinking most of the tech on bikes has any real significance in how most of us ride 99% of the time (on the road).
Huzo seems spot on, as usual.
I’m happy to take on board technological advances like fabulous headlights, 20,000 km triple compound tyres, great quality brake pads, pointless ignition, (begrudgingly) EFI, exotic metallurgy allowing better performance and increased engine life etc…
What I detest, are additions that take away my command judgement (for better OR worse).
ABS
Traction control
Electronic suspension intervention
Ride modes… :rolleyes:

I’ll accept innovations that enhance the quality of my existence on the bike, but I want to sink or swim on my own decisions and accept the consequences of poor ones or enjoy the outcome of a lifetime of hard won experience when it all goes well.
Descending a steep grade in the mountains on a wet road with bark strewn from log trucks, tipping into an off camber bend while still on the downhill before accelerating away back up the hill.
As you squeeze the front brake it’s 46 years of experience in the knuckles of your right hand, that are controlling your destiny and possible demise, I resent having a chip telling me what is best for me.
I find a certain deep seated gratification when I look at my Norge and can see the years on it, especially now it is on the business side of 200,000 k. You know that it’s your decisions and experience over 30,000 hours (est.) of riding where severe or injury or death awaits a poor choice and you have arrived here with a bike that looks 2 years old.
There’s a pride that exists.
It’s when a circuit board tells me what is best for my continued welfare that I bristle, even if it’s correct I want to make command decisions for myself.
Pilots know this as well.
Stick, rudder, throttle , flaps, carb heat…
They are most of the push/pull things that work for you or kill you stone motherless dead. There in lies the attraction and the separation between those that can and those that can’t. Again there’s a pride that you feel in knowing it’s YOU that commands the machine, not some pimple ridden genius in Silicon Valley…(but I do like glass instrument panels…. :wink:)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phil/TX on November 09, 2022, 05:02:00 PM
JRT hit it on the head, I think we can expect a guzzi that is more like a BMW, which is not a bad thing. Most of the reviewers are use to high revving fours that don’t have a lot of torque until the exceed 6000 rpm. Most Guzzi’s have a lot of torque around 3 to 4000 rpm. That surprises these reviewers.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 09, 2022, 05:44:40 PM
……I think we can expect a guzzi that is more like a BMW, which is not a bad thing.

I haven’t ridden a “modern” BMW in many years, but what I don’t want is an engine that is so smooth that it fades in the background.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 09, 2022, 05:51:00 PM
Very few are going to settle for that screen.
Especially in the USA.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 10, 2022, 08:13:40 AM
Huzo, that was pretty funny.  :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 10, 2022, 08:44:32 AM
I should have been more specific.  ABS, improved lighting, and the like most certainly have a place.  I practice panic breaking all the time from 40 to 80mpn on the long straight back roads.  ABS still saved my bacon in a REAL stressful situation.  A big truck in both lanes in the WV mys will do that!  In a few others, all the training was in full effect and the ABS never kicked in.  But that ONE time was huge............... .........

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 10, 2022, 09:59:44 PM
The slipper clutch is only useful on clutch less downshifts,  It will prevent the shock loading you describe until the engine and rear tire forces line up. Up shifting under acceleration only requires a brief ignition cut to shift, no different than blipping the throttle to shift without clutching.  As long as the computer timing is spot on no damage to the driveling will result from using the quick shifter or auto blipper. The Tuono has a cassette gearbox so even if you lunch the shift dogs its an easy rebuild. I was in hopes the v100 has the same but I doubt it.
My suggestion in response to that Lucian is this.
“Blipping” the throttle in the time honoured manner, is what we do to get the rotating mass up to the rpm (or as close as we can) to that which is required for the next gear on a downchange. This is not and never was to match the spinning gearbox internals in preparation for the dogs to engage, it is bringing that 500 rpm increase into the system, so that when you pop the clutch back out after the change, the flywheel and internals are at or about the required revs.
The auto blipper will do nothing to achieve this end unless the clutch is disengaged simultaneously, clearly blipping the throttle with the clutch engaged will not cause the revs to rise.
Try riding down the road at 50 mph in 4 th gear and without pulling the clutch, blip the throttle.
How much will the revs rise ?
Zero.
Clearly, the action of blipping the throttle will not disengage the clutch, if that were true, the a sudden opening of the throttle would do the same. If the action of tapping the gear lever is what commands the slipper to disengage, then I’ll take a step back.
If I’m to understand that the clutch is thrown momentarily at the instant of the blip in conjunction with the tap on the lever, then I’ll withdraw my comments.
As for the ignition cut on the upshift, sure that will throw the torque loadings into reverse while the sparks are missing, but nothing has changed regarding the deceleration loads inherited in reducing 500 rpm in 0.2 seconds.
It will not be a 200,000 km trouble free gearbox.

 I’ll wait for the day that I’m sitting at a table with a mechanical engineer and find out where my reasoning is flawed.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 10, 2022, 10:08:51 PM
Huzo, that was pretty funny.  :grin:
Yep BC I can see it now.
A whacking great barn door on the bike, with a smaller lip fixed to the top edge with a small piece of plastic glued on top of that….etc.
But maybe not… :wink: :clock:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on November 11, 2022, 12:52:41 AM
[quote author=lucian link=topic=112212.msg1838270#msg1838270 date=1667164253
Up shifting under acceleration only requires a brief ignition cut to shift, no different than blipping the throttle to shift without clutching. 
[/quote]
I actually can’t understand HOW anyone can do that let alone why.
Clutchless up is easy and normal on most bikes, even my old loopy with a 4 speed (and a very light flywheel)



Try riding down the road at 50 mph in 4 th gear and without pulling the clutch, blip the throttle.
How much will the revs rise ?

Lots, just tried that, wife fell off the back, maybe I shouldn’t have done it cresting a speed hump
Throttle increases revs on my bikes, clutched or not, doesn’t yours ?

In all seriousness, go to racetrack, historic meeting to understand blipping
Modern to hear and believe quickshifter
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 11, 2022, 02:41:37 AM
I have NEVER said it can’t be done.
All I maintain, is that the cumulative effect will mean you’re handing over a tired gearbox @ 60,000 km to some poor unsuspecting, wide eyed buyer.
No thanks…
Guzzi are doing what must be done, pandering to the pseudo racer in their customer. The price will be paid down the road by the third or fourth owner…. :clock:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 11, 2022, 06:56:25 AM
Call me a luddite, curmudgeon, old school, or classic rider, but I have little interest in rider aids even as mundane as cruise control.

In many ways I prefer carbs and points and gravity fed fuel systems, but have mostly accepted the benefits of ECU controlled ignition and fuel systems. I also have accepted ABS and TC mostly because they are transparent in all but the most extreme situations, and I rarely get there.

Other than that, active suspensions, throttle by wire, rider modes, quick shifters, corner management, video game screens, phone and text management systems are things I have no interest in and would rob ME of the experience I seek when riding. I will intentionally avoid those if at all possible.

The only MC I've had with cruise control was the MGX21 and I tried to use it several times but just didn't like it. My 'lifetime' mileage is just under 500K miles, and not up to many of the serious riders here, but having done dozens of IBA rides, hundreds of multiple thousand mile trips and uncounted 300 mile days, even avoiding super slab and state highways that involve hundreds of miles without shifting (meaning steady pace), I'd rather just use my hands than a system.

I'm NOT anti tech, or look down on it, I'd just rather not have it when it involves my direct inputs into riding or driving.

I will likely be buying a V100 based Guzzi in 2025. Up until the EICMA reveal of the Stelvio, I assumed it would be a Mandello. Either way, it will be a model without the active suspension and quick shifter options, and I hope Guzzi gives us that option.


 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 11, 2022, 07:19:26 AM
I guess I should have used clearer terms to describe "blipping" . A clutch less downshift is only possible if you increase the throttle up to allow the gears to mesh and allow the engine to freely accelerate to meet the new drive train speed. The problem with a traditional Guzzi is the inertia from it's very heavy rotating mass. The engine takes too long to accelerate so the transition will be anything but smooth without slipping the clutch. Won' t be the case with the new motor. 50% less inertia and a slipper clutch . I'm sure the engineers are aware of the forces at play and there are lots of high mileage track bikes who's gearboxes have been pounded mercilessly with up and down quick shifters and haven't blown up.  Long ago I owned an RD 350 2 stroke and broke a clutch cable 40 miles from home. You could easily downshift at speed with that bike and no clutch because of it's light weight and fast revving motor. Not looking for an argument , just trying to clarify my poorly worded post that you pointed out. I think Huzzo makes a valid point that the traditional Guzzi motor would not be well suited for clutchless shifting especially down, because of the heavy internals. The new  motor is  completely different and if used properly should have a long service life. I really like the specs and for a ST it looks like it will be a very easy bike to service. It looks like the motive unit will be super easy to remove if necessary also.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 11, 2022, 08:49:07 AM
I tend to agree with Bulldog, Huzo, and that general kind of thinking.  I have no issue with ABS, as I've stated, and so what does it matter what I think?  Right?
But as we discuss, well, why not?  I came to Guzzi a LOT later than most but have become completely won over.  One of the biggest reasons is that all of the Guzzi bikes I've had required the rider to work with the bike.  If one "listens" to the machine it will tell them what it wants and how it wants it.
Other motorcycles offer so many rider aids that the operator becomes just that, an operator.  I can sum it up like this.  Working at Americade at the Guzzi demo area I heard the same thing over and over again from folks who got off test rides-99% from other brands.  VERY few seemed to understand that a Guzzi needs to rev a bit more than many other bikes-they seemed to have zero understanding of the power band concept-and that same 99% had NO concept of finding N at a stop.  When instructed to feather the clutch out a hair and it'll pop right in they looked at me like I had three eyes.  I walked away after two days thinking a huge portion of the riding public expect a motorcycle to operate just like a car.  And lots of bike do.  Guzzi still seems connected to how bikes felt in the past, and that's not a bad thing.  No, I'm not a dinosaur.  But, like Bulldog9, I like to have a machine that rewards me with being in sync with it.
YMMV, as it should.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jorg66 on November 11, 2022, 09:59:17 AM
The V100 needed to happen with all its Modes,Gadgets and so onto secure the survival of the Brand. Do I  like it ,Yes to an extend ,but more for very simple reason , ...still V2,still different . Will I buy one soon ,probably not .
Do I need ,Ride by wire [have that on the 1400] not really ,do I need 3 or even 4 riding Modes ,No ,[tried it on our 1400 in the rain ,...so be it] .
Cruise on the other Hand ,....well we live in the part of the country with "1000 km straights] lol ,Cruise comes in handy at times.
Our2018, V7 is still as old school [the way i like it] as it comes .But each to there own.
Sometimes i ask myself how did I /we manage 'back than' riding my slighty modified Kawa Z550 sometimes up to 185 km/h chasing a Red Porsche,Lol .It was as pure motorcycling as it gets .No Traction control ,ABS ,Quickshifter   :laugh
After that I decided ,to switch to a Singlebanger Guzzi and that was good fun as well ,...slower pace and enjoyment.

Anyhow, we may not like whats coming or has happend already but the 'next Generation' does and wants it .Here is [perhaps] hoping they will go thru the same 'Cycle' ,...New,Fast, All the Gadgets and than might 'fall in love' with something older to appreciate simpler way of riding .
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 11, 2022, 11:32:17 AM
Some of the "modern" features aren't for everyone but for some of us they are needed. Cruise control is a must for me on other than an around town bike. I have had two surgeries on my right hand and can't twist a throttle for long periods of time. The cruise on my 1400 was pretty crude as was the ride by wire. Both are quite good on my Triumph but the cruise on my Harley was excellent. The ride modes have been a mixed bag. The Harley didn't have them. The 1400 had three but I never even tried rain. The Turismo mode on the 1400 helped with the surging in town. On my Triumph the road mode is a bit aggressive for in town, rain is perfect. For me I would like to have most of this stuff, depends how well it is engineered as to whether I will use it or not. Quick shifters, naw.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 11, 2022, 11:53:06 AM
In my opinion, Kingoffleece, Bulldog and Lucian have the same outlook as me.
I like their previous posts.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 11, 2022, 12:02:43 PM
I simply dont think I would use the quickshift. Whats quicker than pulling in the clutch and shifting? I mean it's muscle memory at this point, is it not a more or less involuntary action??

I have never attempted to shift my bike or my manual trans car without the clutch... simply put, why would you even want to? Seems utterly pointless to me. It would have never occurred to me that you would/should/could do that. They can add that feature or not, I dont see the point, so I would likely never notice it's possible.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ed / AF1 Racing on November 11, 2022, 12:22:06 PM
we posted up the EU parts book if anyone wants to peek under the hood of the V100

https://www.af1racing.com/ProdImages/st3/GUV100.pdf
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 11, 2022, 01:43:45 PM
I simply dont think I would use the quickshift. Whats quicker than pulling in the clutch and shifting? I mean it's muscle memory at this point, is it not a more or less involuntary action??

I have never attempted to shift my bike or my manual trans car without the clutch... simply put, why would you even want to? Seems utterly pointless to me. It would have never occurred to me that you would/should/could do that. They can add that feature or not, I dont see the point, so I would likely never notice it's possible.

It never occurred to some civilizations to put wheels on their travois.  Why bother, when dragging two logs along the ground works just fine?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 11, 2022, 02:03:46 PM
we posted up the EU parts book if anyone wants to peek under the hood of the V100

https://www.af1racing.com/ProdImages/st3/GUV100.pdf

Thanks for sharing Ed - interesting stuff! If we download the parts manual does that mean we have to buy a V100?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 11, 2022, 03:21:41 PM
Thanks for posting the parts manual Ed, Lots of cool new  stuff here,  It looks like the valve adjustments are indeed shims over the valve stems. Interesting that it looks like you will only need to pull the rocker shafts and remove the finger followers to access the shims. Much easier than having to pull cams  and buckets out.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 11, 2022, 05:07:50 PM
An awesome new review,  What a gentle demeanor on this young fella.  Love his attitude.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-G1HsjAKEs
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 11, 2022, 05:36:49 PM
I simply dont think I would use the quickshift. Whats quicker than pulling in the clutch and shifting? I mean it's muscle memory at this point, is it not a more or less involuntary action??

I have never attempted to shift my bike or my manual trans car without the clutch... simply put, why would you even want to? Seems utterly pointless to me. It would have never occurred to me that you would/should/could do that. They can add that feature or not, I dont see the point, so I would likely never notice it's possible.

I've long shifted with out the clutch up and down from 3 & up. It is nice to snick through the gears clutch less and is effortless when you know the vehicle and when/how to do it. I still do on the Stornello, but my other Guzzis arent interested in it. Coming off an FJR and into a Griso and Norge, I was perplexed why I could not do it smoothly. It didn't feel right so I stopped. The Stornello is different, I can easily go 3-6 without issue through control of throttle and shifter.

The reason as has been explained to me is the ***ROTATING*** mass, mainly the flywheel that makes this difficult.
***=Hugo induced edit :cool:

This is what all the boy racers and techies want, so it makes sense to me that Guzzi would do this given the V100 has a different flywheel and lighter RM. I wouldn't stay away from a bike if it had it, but given the option, I'd go without it and do what I've been doing since I was 14......

Cars are a whole other story.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 11, 2022, 08:46:14 PM
Well, the flywheel mass is not reciprocating. It possesses a certain amount of angular momentum that has to be altered dramatically.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 12, 2022, 03:03:27 AM
Well, the flywheel mass is not reciprocating. It possesses a certain amount of angular momentum that has to be altered dramatically.

The pistons and crank are reciprocating, the mass of the flywheel is spinning, the inertia of that weighted/heavy mass is to what I  refer sir.  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 12, 2022, 09:25:38 AM
When I upshift I barely move the clutch lever, silent and smooth shifts. I do the same on my Triumph. I guess I am effectively shifting clutch less. Downshifting more normal with blips as needed. The two bikes are a bit different, the Guzzi, V7lll, shorter throws with little detent feel. The Triumph when looking for neutral I can feel the detents. The Guzzi not at all, it is more like putting the lever in the proper place. I think that is why we hear so many noobie complaints about how hard it is to find neutral on our beloved Guzzis. I don't prefer one over the other, they are just different. I think the Triumph has stronger detents due to the wet clutch.
kk

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 12, 2022, 09:54:17 AM
When I upshift I barely move the clutch lever, silent and smooth shifts.
kk
Exactly the same here, hardly discernible but enough to just “crack” the clutch and provide the cushioning effect that’s needed.
More importantly, it’s the time taken to put the shift through that is the saving grace. I’ll wager that yours (and my) method is not slamming the change through in the same time interval as the quick shifter does.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on November 12, 2022, 12:35:50 PM
First photo's I've seen with the head guards.


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Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 12, 2022, 05:43:50 PM
Exactly the same here, hardly discernible but enough to just “crack” the clutch and provide the cushioning effect that’s needed.
More importantly, it’s the time taken to put the shift through that is the saving grace. I’ll wager that yours (and my) method is not slamming the change through in the same time interval as the quick shifter does.
I don't even really move the shift lever very far it seems to go into the next gear all by itself. I guess a couple of years on a /2 and many on a /5 followed by a /6 helped me learn to finesse a gearbox. The Guzzi gearboxes are smooth as silk compared to those derelicts.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 12, 2022, 06:54:38 PM
Been scouring the engine diagrams and another interesting improvement is the crank main bearings are replaceable both front and rear unlike the 1200 8v  BB 's where the front main is  integral to the engine case,  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phil/TX on November 12, 2022, 09:12:22 PM
Just to clarify gentlemen, YOU DONT HAVE TO USE THE QUICK SHIFTER. It has a clutch and shift lever just like other bikes.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on November 13, 2022, 01:25:22 AM
Been scouring the Parts Book that Ed posted at https://www.af1racing.com/ProdImages/st3/GUV100.pdf
Trying to figure how this thing works. Scratching my head a bit here.

For a start : which way does the engine rotate if you're standing in front of the V100, looking towards the rear end?
Clockwise or anti-clockwise?

The two shafts in the gearbox, which implement the six ratios, seem straightforward enough.

But I'm somewhat puzzled by the Primary Drive. 
Referring to Table 03.160, is the Primary pinion driven directly by the crankshaft gear or is it driven by the counter balancer gear?

It looks like the Primary driveshaft is splined into the Clutch Hub (inner part)
which drives the Clutch Drum (outer part)
which drives the Clutch Drum gear pinion (solidly attached to the drum)
which drives the Engine Gear (Item 31 in Table 03.180)
which drives the Input Shaft of the gearbox
which drives the Output Shaft of the gearbox via one of the six ratios
which drives the Final Drive and wheel.

It must be very busy in there at 9000 rpm.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 13, 2022, 09:09:27 AM
 the rotation would be  counter clockwise when looking at the motor from the front, The opposite of the traditional Guzzi configuration due to the clutch and driveline being driven by the counter rotating shaft , although a bit more complex internally the external layout is brilliant. Like the wet clutch access and the rear mounted alternator . A lot of stuff fit into the vee for sure , going to be really tight in there.  I imagine a tb balance may be a bit of a chore.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 13, 2022, 11:38:16 AM
Fixed it , traditionally clockwise viewed from the front, the new motor will be the opposite, Good catch Huzzo . I always think of engine orientation as sitting on the bike , my mistake 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 13, 2022, 01:13:50 PM
If the crank does rotate opposite to what we’ve come to expect, it’ll be interesting to see if the tilt in neutral is the opposite way when you tweak the throttle.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 13, 2022, 01:18:55 PM
here's your answer, note the tilt left on throttle pulses

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpRH5PDOLIA
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 13, 2022, 05:31:27 PM
here's your answer, note the tilt left on throttle pulses

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpRH5PDOLIA
I’ve tried and tried and tried to get the point across here on many occasions to some luminaries that should know better.
It does not matter how many times you reverse the rotation through jackshafts, bevels, and the like. Reversing the rotation of the clutch to…”reduce the torque effect…” will not work. If you reverse it once, you have to reverse it again somewhere down the drivetrain, (or you’ll end up with your back wheel going backwards..!
In it’s most fundamental sense, the engine crankcase internals are acting to spin the crank, so the equal and opposite force (Newton), is trying to rotate the crankcase and everything it is bolted to (that’d be the rest of the bike), in the opposite direction.
As the piston pushes the crank throw downwards, it is pushing the cylinder head upwards with the same force, so if there is sufficient resistance to acceleration of the crankshaft to reduce (or on an extreme case prevent), tha crank rotation, then the engine will rotate around the crank.
In Stone Age terms, instead of the piston pushing the crank away from the head, it’ll push the head away from the crank.
Back a few years, I suggested that here on WG and was largely criticised by home taught mechanical engineers for suggesting such a ludicrous notion.

In conclusion..?
Reversing rotating masses through gearing, does NOT alter the direction of the torque reaction….
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 13, 2022, 05:52:44 PM
the crank rotation is reversed so the final drive rotation is correct due to the trans. primary shaft being driven by a gear on the clutch cage . .
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 13, 2022, 06:07:03 PM
the crank rotation is reversed so the final drive rotation is correct due to the introduction of a counter shaft . nothing new here Pete.  Take a look at the exploded views
Yeah Lucian, although I had not looked, that would seem quite self explanatory.
My rant was simply to refresh an old sticking point and bring it closer to the front of some luminaries minds. Because someone somewhere is going to say (again), that the clutch is rotated in reverse to the crank (or some other misguided piece of conventional wisdom), to “reduce torque effect…..”.. :rolleyes:
It WILL happen…. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :clock:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 13, 2022, 06:18:53 PM
It's really gyroscopic forces at play , a counter rotating mass of equivalent volume will cancel out the axillary reaction of the primary rotating force. in this case the crankshaft and transmission primary . It can never be 100 percent because of the forces lost to trying to reverse the initial  inertia .
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 13, 2022, 07:40:54 PM
It seems to Honda did many years ago with the Goldwing for this very reason. At least that was what was reported. They made a big deal about it at the time.
kk
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on November 13, 2022, 08:40:28 PM
here's your answer, note the tilt left on throttle pulses

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpRH5PDOLIA

Gentlemen : thank you for your input.  Anti-clockwise it is, then.

The video demonstrates, by virtue of the throttle-blipping torque reaction, that the V100 crankshaft rotates anti-clockwise when viewed from the front of the motorcycle.
Confirmed by the directional arrow shown on the crankshaft-mounted Phonic Wheel (Item 21 in Table 03.120 of the Parts Book).
Confirmed by the placement of the chain tensioner, assuming it bears on the unloaded chain run.

Back to the drawing board, so to speak, to muse on the plethora of things that whirr, rattle and hum in that motor.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 13, 2022, 08:51:34 PM
reverse it once, you have to reverse it again somewhere down the drivetrain, (or you’ll end up with your back wheel going backwards..!

Not if the the initial crank rotation is reversed
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 13, 2022, 08:57:08 PM
reverse it once, you have to reverse it again somewhere down the drivetrain, (or you’ll end up with your back wheel going backwards..!

Not if the the initial crank rotation is reversed , and the trans input is driven by the  countershaft, the direction  will be correct for a conventional two shaft gearbox and rear  shaft drive pinion.
In the case of the V100 yes, because the crank is spun in reverse from the get go.
My point is, that the mere act of reversing spinning masses down the drive train, does not negate the tilting phenomenon.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 13, 2022, 08:59:41 PM
In the case of the V100 yes, because the crank is spun in reverse from the get go.
My point is, that the mere act of reversing spinning masses down the drive train, does not negate the tilting phenomenon.
Call me confused as that is exactly the purpose of a counter shaft??
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 13, 2022, 09:24:57 PM
I understand your point Pete , the torque induced  tilt is not negated , only diminished  by the counter shaft and  shifted to the opposite side by this example. I like how you follow thru and keep us on our toes.  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 13, 2022, 09:53:38 PM
Call me confused as that is exactly the purpose of a counter shaft??
Is the clutch axis offset to the crank laterally ?
If so, then the driving gears would reverse the direction.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 13, 2022, 10:04:43 PM
I understand your point Pete , the torque induced  tilt is not negated , only diminished  by the counter shaft and  shifted to the opposite side by this example. I like how you follow thru and keep us on our toes.  :thumb:
The tilt is generated by the conrods pushing against the inertia of the crank and associated masses reacting against the heads.
The mass of the crankcase and anything that is not rotating with the drive line, is experiencing an equal and opposite torque.
A further example.
If you were floating in water face down and operating a boring device like a hand brace similar to crankshaft, the resistance of the drill would cause you to rotate in the opposite direction.
The brace and bit is the crank, you are the crankcase.

Think of it that way if it helps…
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on November 14, 2022, 05:17:16 AM
The tilt is generated by the conrods pushing against the inertia of the crank and associated masses reacting against the heads.
The mass of the crankcase and anything that is not rotating with the drive line, is experiencing an equal and opposite torque.
A further example.
If you were floating in water face down and operating a boring device like a hand brace similar to crankshaft, the resistance of the drill would cause you to rotate in the opposite direction.
The brace and bit is the crank, you are the crankcase.

Think of it that way if it helps…
:thumb:
Just maybe , they fixed a problem WE never had, was a good way to tell idgits they missed a gear
Now explain the return to non floating rear drive box
Norge v V85 ?
Was all the rage only 20 or 30 years ago, now not needed, back as it was
Hey, I said it then, this is similar, clever indeed but ,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on November 14, 2022, 05:52:28 AM
But I'm somewhat puzzled by the Primary Drive. 
Referring to Table 03.160, is the Primary pinion driven directly by the crankshaft gear or is it driven by the counter balancer gear?

I've come to the conclusion that the Primary Drive / Cush Drive (Item 1 Table 03.230) is not driven by any gear but instead engages splines in the rear of the crankshaft.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Given that we've established that the crankshaft rotates anti-clockwise (viewed from the front), my understanding, now, is that there are only three shaft axes in the engine unit that are involved in motive power transmission.

They are :
* primary shaft - driven directly off the back of the crank (not via any gear as I first assumed).  It drives the Clutch Hub.
* gearbox input shaft - driven by the Clutch Drum / Engine Gear pair.  Together they form the Primary Gear Ratio for the motorcycle.
* gearbox output shaft - driven by one of the six selectable ratios.

I think you folk knew this all along.  It just took me a while to get there coz I went down a few rabbit holes along the way.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 14, 2022, 07:20:32 PM
Gentlemen : thank you for your input.  Anti-clockwise it is, then.

The video demonstrates, by virtue of the throttle-blipping torque reaction, that the V100 crankshaft rotates anti-clockwise when viewed from the front of the motorcycle.
Confirmed by the directional arrow shown on the crankshaft-mounted Phonic Wheel (Item 21 in Table 03.120 of the Parts Book).
Confirmed by the placement of the chain tensioner, assuming it bears on the unloaded chain run.

Back to the drawing board, so to speak, to muse on the plethora of things that whirr, rattle and hum in that motor.

The engine dips the wrong way?   I'm out.

A Guzzi should be a Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 14, 2022, 07:35:31 PM
The engine dips the wrong way?   I'm out.

A Guzzi should be a Guzzi.
Designed for the Southern Hemisphere
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 14, 2022, 08:15:51 PM
Throttle increases revs on my bikes, clutched or not, doesn’t yours ?
Yes..(you know it does), but not in 0.2 seconds.
And remember, without a disengaged clutch, even if a blip of the throttle DID increase the revs on the ENGINE side of  the gearbox, it would also do the same to the OUTPUT shaft side…( that’s why your wife reputedly fell off…) linear acceleration being what it is.
You need to increase the revs at the engine while keeping the output shaft at the SAME rpm.
This allows for the new ratio.

NOW.
Going to the races and watching what they do, will not alter anything.
I once heard Valentino Rossi say that.
“Ahhh yes (tugs earring)..For sure I put my weight on the one foot peg to move the centre of gravity…” !  :rolleyes:
The C of G will ALWAYS  be equally distributed each side of the point of support on a one track vehicle.
If that makes no sense, then there’s a book that needs to be read.
Point is…
Race riders are (usually) fast, that does not mean that the know WHY they are fast with respect to Physics…
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on November 15, 2022, 04:34:00 AM
Yes..(you know it does), but not in 0.2 seconds.
And remember, without a disengaged clutch, even if a blip of the throttle DID increase the revs on the ENGINE side of  the gearbox, it would also do the same to the OUTPUT shaft side…( that’s why your wife reputedly fell off…) linear acceleration being what it is.
You need to increase the revs at the engine while keeping the output shaft at the SAME rpm.
This allows for the new ratio.

NOW.
Going to the races and watching what they do, will not alter anything.
I once heard Valentino Rossi say that.
“Ahhh yes (tugs earring)..For sure I put my weight on the one foot peg to move the centre of gravity…” !  :rolleyes:
The C of G will ALWAYS  be equally distributed each side of the point of support on a one track vehicle.
If that makes no sense, then there’s a book that needs to be read.
Point is…
Race riders are (usually) fast, that does not mean that the know WHY they are fast with respect to Physics…
When you beat him, let us know
Weighting pegs works for me too, no need to explain, sort of obvious
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 15, 2022, 06:00:45 AM
When you beat him, let us know
Weighting pegs works for me too, no need to explain, sort of obvious
You have no idea what I actually mean.
None….
When you are in a turn, the force trying to throw you towards the outside like you would feel in a car, exactly equals the horizontal component of the weight through the centreline of the bike in the opposite direction.
If you want to put more weight on the inside peg (for example), you can of course, but you will then stand the bike up a little more as a result.
The centre of mass is still through the centreline of the bike viewed from the front (or back).
If you ride along straight, standing on the pegs with the bike dead vertical, then lift your right foot off the peg, you’ll either place more weight on your right hand (therefore keeping the C of M centralised), or lean the bike to the right for the same result.
Either way the centre of mass has not shifted.

While you’re cuddled nice and safely in VR’s shadow, think about this…

If the combined centre of mass of the bike AND rider, is not directly in line with the wheels, there will be a resultant vector either dropping you on the low side and you’ll crash, or high side and you’ll be thrown to the outside.
Whether Valentino is faster or slower than me is irrelevant, it’s just a lame statement used by you ‘cause you cannot hold your own in the discussion.
Neil de Grasse Tyson knows more about the Physics that keeps Rossi upright on the track than he Rossi does, but I know who’s faster.
I believe that when ANY rider says he “puts weight on the inside peg..” he really means he’s hanging off, to take advantage of the obvious (to most), benefits that it brings.
(https://i.ibb.co/9w0NfyZ/7-ADA643-A-D616-4788-A3-B7-A989-A5-DA1-C38.png) (https://ibb.co/9w0NfyZ)

stop all the clocks poem (https://poetandpoem.com/analysis-of-funeral-blues-by-w-h-auden)

You’ll notice your hero’s arse is considerably inside the turn yet the C of M is on the centreline where it must be, that’s because the bike is slightly more upright to cater for it.
Knowing you are fast is easy, just look at the time sheets.
But don’t BS yourself into thinking you know why….
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 15, 2022, 06:02:29 AM

Weighting pegs works for me too, no need to explain, sort of obvious
Yep, seen that tactic before…
“I do what Rossi does, wanna’ argue with him…” ?
But for the benefit of the great unwashed, could you try once for me…?  :popcorn:
Or were you bluffing ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 15, 2022, 07:52:57 AM
Good explanation by HUZO on what one may refer to as a paradox............ ........
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 15, 2022, 12:49:36 PM
The engine dips the wrong way?   I'm out.

A Guzzi should be a Guzzi.

Since the clutch spins the other way, I think the torque reaction we're accustomed to will be negligible in the new V100 line.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 15, 2022, 12:50:34 PM
Good explanation by HUZO on what one may refer to as a paradox............ ........
Mate, it’s just that the centre of mass is a combination of ALL that is present.
Bike and rider.
We’ve all seen the performer at a circus, standing with both feet on one peg, the bike leaning away from him at an extreme angle and him at a similar angle the opposite way.
If viewed from the front, you’d notice that the centre of mass is between the bike and rider.
The wheels do not know or care how the mass is piled on the top, as long as the system is balanced.

Think of this.
If you stand straight up with both arms out each side horizontally you can balance quite ok. Now if someone places a 10 kg weight in one hand, you have to lean off to the opposite side to counterbalance the weight that you’re supporting, like carrying one bucket of water, your centre of mass has to be directly over your feet. Your head is off to one side and the bucket is off to the other side, but the centre of mass stays put.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 15, 2022, 12:57:03 PM
   I imagine a tb balance may be a bit of a chore.

Don't you think it's an automotive style 52mm dual throttle body in a single housing that will require little or no balance adjustment ??

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 15, 2022, 01:02:55 PM
Since the clutch spins the other way, I think the torque reaction we're accustomed to will be negligible in the new V100 line.
If it is, it’ll be because the internal masses are less. (Reduced inertia).
Still with a name like Rocker, you might be the only one worth listening to on that topic.. :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 15, 2022, 01:34:46 PM
Love the tech talk and discussions.  Wish I had more to offer-I'm at a basic level-but still able to learn!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on November 15, 2022, 03:12:03 PM
Since the clutch spins the other way, I think the torque reaction we're accustomed to will be negligible in the new V100 line.

Agree that IF the clutch spins counter to the crankshaft THEN it will reduce the torque reaction resulting from blipping the throttle.

The question is : does the clutch spin counter to the crankshaft?

The clutch needs to spin anti-clockwise to turn the rear wheel forwards.
To see this :
Refer to Parts Book Table 03.230 which shows Item 1, Primary / Cush Drive, driving the clutch directly.
Refer to Parts Book Table 03.180 which shows the downstream power train to the gearbox output shaft.

IF the crankshaft spins anti-clockwise, viewed from the front, THEN the clutch is spinning in the SAME direction as the crankshaft.
An anti-clockwise crankshaft also implies that the crankshaft drives the Primary / Cush shaft directly, not through any gearing.

The jury is still out to a certain extent because, so far, we only have evidence that the engine spins anti-clockwise (a video of throttle blipping, a direction arrow on the phonic wheel, placement of timing chain tensioners).  We don't have proof.

Also, we're trying to perform a virtual assembly of an engine from an exploded parts diagram.

Yeah. I know. I need to get a life.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: averb on November 15, 2022, 03:44:28 PM
Don't you think it's an automotive style 52mm dual throttle body in a single housing that will require little or no balance adjustment ??

The parts list shows 2 Throttle bodies

(https://i.ibb.co/gg7JkQy/v100-tbs.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gg7JkQy)

image upload (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 15, 2022, 04:27:12 PM
Love the tech talk and discussions.  Wish I had more to offer-I'm at a basic level-but still able to learn!

You must be a glutton for punishment..... 99% of some of these posts are useless nonsense AFIAC.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 15, 2022, 04:57:01 PM
 :evil:

I'm just here for the bourbon.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 15, 2022, 05:14:10 PM
You must be a glutton for punishment..... 99% of some of these posts are useless nonsense AFIAC.
Lucky for us there’s that one in a hundred that’s on the money, or it’d be 100%.
Now, who would that one person be…?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 15, 2022, 05:21:19 PM
You must be a glutton for punishment..... 99% of some of these posts are useless nonsense AFIAC.
I do have one question…
What does AFIAC mean ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 15, 2022, 05:43:08 PM
An anti-clockwise crankshaft also implies that the crankshaft drives the Primary / Cush shaft directly, not through any gearing.

The primary cush drive looks to be driven by the gear on the back of the crankshaft. Which in turn drives the clutch hub, When engaged the clutch basket drives the engine gear ( part 31 on pg. 55)  which in turn drives the trans, input shaft,

 So, as viewed  from the front, crank rotation counterclockwise, primary cush drive clockwise, clutch basket clockwise, engine gear counterclockwise,  trans input clockwise, trans output counter clockwise, rear drive pinion counterclockwise, rear dive crown wheel counterclockwise as viewed from left side, bike goes forward   :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on November 15, 2022, 09:26:28 PM
Quote
   I do have one question…
What does AFIAC mean ? 

As Far (as)  I Am Concerned, 99% of some of these posts are useless nonsense.

+1  and I'm interested in the bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 15, 2022, 10:29:29 PM
As Far (as)  I Am Concerned, 99% of some of these posts are useless nonsense.

+1  and I'm interested in the bike.
Oh…
That one got past me, I was so sure there’d be no glaring error that I didn’t even look for one. Now it doesn’t seem like useless nonsense. It makes complete sense.

Now…
The bike ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on November 16, 2022, 03:42:31 AM
Well, I stopped in to read of any news about an imminent release date for the V100, and have learned two things.

1, based on a rather entertaining inane but lengthy thread discussion about which way the crank rotates, there is no release news.

2, winter is upon us. But not me, I rode into work today.

Gentlemen, please resume the discussion.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 16, 2022, 04:29:57 AM
Well, I stopped in to read of any news about an imminent release date for the V100, and have learned two things.

1, based on a rather entertaining inane but lengthy thread discussion about which way the crank rotates,
Don’t you think that is just a teeny weeny bit relevant ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 16, 2022, 06:09:07 AM
Our dealer here told me two weeks ago they would see six of each model , base and s , end of November to mid December. Not holding my breath at this point. He did say all had pre order deposits on them.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on November 16, 2022, 06:10:17 AM
The primary cush drive looks to be driven by the gear on the back of the crankshaft. Which in turn drives the clutch hub, When engaged the clutch basket drives the engine gear ( part 31 on pg. 55)  which in turn drives the trans, input shaft,

 So, as viewed  from the front, crank rotation counterclockwise, primary cush drive clockwise, clutch basket clockwise, engine gear counterclockwise,  trans input clockwise, trans output counter clockwise, rear drive pinion counterclockwise, rear dive crown wheel counterclockwise as viewed from left side, bike goes forward   :boozing:
I'm with you all the way down to this bit of the drive train :
engine gear counterclockwise,  trans input clockwise,
The Parts Book shows the Engine Gear (Part 31) to be coaxial with the trans input shaft (Part 15).
In that case, the Engine Gear would turn the trans input counterclockwise, not clockwise.
The rear wheel would rotate backwards.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 16, 2022, 07:41:12 AM
The Parts Book shows the Engine Gear (Part 31) to be coaxial with the trans input shaft (Part 15).

Looks like you are correct  , that being the case ,the primary cush drive must be driven directly off the end of the crankshaft,
so clutch basket counterclockwise, trans primary clockwise, trans output counterclockwise. off to the races
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on November 16, 2022, 12:06:24 PM
Since the clutch spins the other way, I think the torque reaction we're accustomed to will be negligible in the new V100 line.

 :sad:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Socalrob on November 16, 2022, 01:58:38 PM
Don’t you think that is just a teeny weeny bit relevant ?

Yes, a bit relevant, but unlikely to make a difference in purchase or no purchase.  On my Multistrada V4 the transverse crank counter rotates to the wheels, so may make the bike a bit more neutral gyroscopically for easier turn in, especially when the engine is at 10,000 rpm.  On the Guzzi with a longitudinal crank theoretically it would do the same for the weight of the clutch and the driveshaft, both of which are far lighter than wheels.  It’s a nice engineering exercise, but does seem pretty esoteric.  I have no idea which way my V7iii rotates, nor my BMW either.  I doubt crank rotation direction on any of these bikes would make as big of a difference as say light weight carbon fiber wheels.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on November 16, 2022, 05:02:07 PM
I wonder if this topic was discussed outside of the factory 50 years ago?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 16, 2022, 07:54:43 PM
It is interesting that it looks like the cylinders are cast along with the engines top case. No more removeable cylinders, it does appear that they are sleeved which is a good thing. It looks like it would be possible to drop the sump and pull the heads and remove the rods , pistons and sleeves hopefully. Maybe big bore sleeves and pistons will be coming down the road .  How else could you up the displacement without a whole  new top  engine case? A lot of high techery for a moto guzzi for sure. Still a lot to like , at least it does look rebuildable  and robust with roller main bearings  ect.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on November 16, 2022, 08:20:57 PM
Quote
  Don’t you think that is just a teeny weeny bit relevant ?       

In my motorcycle world, maybe almost a teeny weeny bit.

I want to buy the bike, twist the throttle and go. When it doesn't go, the mechanic might need to know all that direction of spinning shafts. He probably won't know it but as long as he fixes it, I don't care. When the warranty is up, I'll keep it or sale it.

I've been riding the same model bike for over 20 years and I couldn't tell you which way any of the shafts spin. I just know when I twist the throttle, the bike goes forward.   :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AJ Huff on November 16, 2022, 08:28:02 PM
In my motorcycle world, maybe almost a teeny weeny bit.

I want to buy the bike, twist the throttle and go. When it doesn't go, the mechanic might need to know all that direction of spinning shafts. He probably won't know it but as long as he fixes it, I don't care. When the warranty is up, I'll keep it or sale it.

I've been riding the same model bike for over 20 years and I couldn't tell you which way any of the shafts spin. I just know when I twist the throttle, the bike goes forward.   :thumb:

Amen!

-AJ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Stratodisaster on November 19, 2022, 04:57:44 PM
I like the bike a lot and may look in to buying one but it’s advertised as a sporty and touring bike.  That windscreen, if that’s what you want to call it,no luggage , none listed in accessories currently kinda disqualifies the touring aspect in my thinking.  With it being a Guzzi your also going to be limited in after market accessories also. When I “tour” I carry a lot of stuff. Tire repair kit , air compressor a few tools plus rain gear  regular clothes and toiletries depending on time of year cool/cold weather gear that’ll most likely need to come off during the warm part of the day. What is a guy supposed to do ? Cram all that in a backpack.wonderful bike but not a tourer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on November 19, 2022, 05:04:41 PM
I like the bike a lot and may look in to buying one but it’s advertised as a sporty and touring bike.  That windscreen, if that’s what you want to call it,no luggage , none listed in accessories currently kinda disqualifies the touring aspect in my thinking.  With it being a Guzzi your also going to be limited in after market accessories also. When I “tour” I carry a lot of stuff. Tire repair kit , air compressor a few tools plus rain gear  regular clothes and toiletries depending on time of year cool/cold weather gear that’ll most likely need to come off during the warm part of the day. What is a guy supposed to do ? Cram all that in a backpack.wonderful bike but not a tourer.

https://wide.piaggiogroup.com/en/articles/accessories/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-a-vast-range-of-accessories-to-suit-every-need/index.html
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 19, 2022, 05:35:54 PM
Seems like some of us here lead a lot of horses to water.   I would have guessed that with the utter mass of information available to all with the "google" that the need to do so would be much smaller.  shrug
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Stratodisaster on November 19, 2022, 07:08:42 PM
Seems like some of us here lead a lot of horses to water.   I would have guessed that with the utter mass of information available to all with the "google" that the need to do so would be much smaller.  shrug
.      That’s weird I just looked at guzzi website and nothing came up for accessories. Forgive me me for speaking negatively about anything thing Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on November 20, 2022, 08:47:43 AM
Moto Guzzi definitely made it a little awkward to find the smathering of accessories available for the V100.
When you go through the pre-order process the website will walk you through all of the available accessories that will then be delivered to your local dealer for installation when the bike arrives.  Kind of clunky since you then make a transaction for the deposit on the bike and then get contacted by the dealer for a deposit on all of the accessories. I did all of this while sitting at a computer with the local dealer and it still ended up being two separate transactions. Little wonder the dealer indicated that I was the first one in line for all of the accessories as no one else bothered to go the extra step.

Skippy
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on November 20, 2022, 10:47:25 AM
How’s did a guy with only 28 subscribers get a ride on the V100?

https://youtu.be/1S83OTkCjZs

The cockpit view is weird, but hopefully that is just the camera.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 20, 2022, 10:54:49 AM
I like the bike a lot and may look in to buying one but it’s advertised as a sporty and touring bike.  That windscreen, if that’s what you want to call it,no luggage , none listed in accessories currently kinda disqualifies the touring aspect in my thinking.  With it being a Guzzi your also going to be limited in after market accessories also. When I “tour” I carry a lot of stuff. Tire repair kit , air compressor a few tools plus rain gear  regular clothes and toiletries depending on time of year cool/cold weather gear that’ll most likely need to come off during the warm part of the day. What is a guy supposed to do ? Cram all that in a backpack.wonderful bike but not a tourer.

Guzzi is offering perhaps the best list of 'accessories' I've seen in a while to include 30l side cases that they claim will hold a helmet, as well as a topcase/rack and a larger screen. Will be as 'tour' capable as the Norge or Stelvio or V85, or any current sports tourer straight off the showroom floor with OEM parts.

It will be interesting to see what Hepco Becker or other aftermarket places offer up as far as bags and screens, tank bags, etc. Unfortunately the Guzzi cases only come in a silver color right now.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 20, 2022, 11:02:16 AM
How’s did a guy with only 28 subscribers get a ride on the V100?

https://youtu.be/1S83OTkCjZs

The cockpit view is weird, but hopefully that is just the camera.

Certainly not because of his riding skills.........
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 20, 2022, 12:15:29 PM
Certainly not because of his riding skills.........
What did he do wrong ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 20, 2022, 05:47:18 PM
What did he do wrong ?

Did you watch the video? lol..... Perhaps I'm being too critical, but he is all over the road, has terrible lines, followed too close, erratic herky jerky on and off throttle, almost caused an accident, and man handled the bars.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 20, 2022, 05:57:20 PM
Probably should have skipped the vineyard tours before the test ride. :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Speedfrog on November 20, 2022, 09:14:40 PM
How’s did a guy with only 28 subscribers get a ride on the V100?

He is a Piaggio dealership owner in Belgium... not an influencer on YT.
https://www.garagechrissmeyers.be

Boring video imho..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 20, 2022, 09:56:14 PM
Did you watch the video? lol..... Perhaps I'm being too critical, but he is all over the road, has terrible lines, followed too close, erratic herky jerky on and off throttle, almost caused an accident, and man handled the bars.
I put that down to wet road, nervousness being on a V100 and mindful of being watched.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on November 21, 2022, 08:44:18 PM
Moto Guzzi definitely made it a little awkward to find the smathering of accessories available for the V100.
When you go through the pre-order process the website will walk you through all of the available accessories that will then be delivered to your local dealer for installation when the bike arrives.  Kind of clunky since you then make a transaction for the deposit on the bike and then get contacted by the dealer for a deposit on all of the accessories. I did all of this while sitting at a computer with the local dealer and it still ended up being two separate transactions. Little wonder the dealer indicated that I was the first one in line for all of the accessories as no one else bothered to go the extra step.

Skippy

Now that you've ordered a V100 I'm wondering whether you've been able to download or procure the Owner Manual for your new steed?
We are not able to download them in Oz as yet (requires VIN and ZIP / POST code on the official Moto Guzzi download site).
We should be getting V100s around October 2022 2023 in Oz.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on November 23, 2022, 07:28:02 AM
Moto Guzzi definitely made it a little awkward to find the smathering of accessories available for the V100.
When you go through the pre-order process the website will walk you through all of the available accessories that will then be delivered to your local dealer for installation when the bike arrives.  Kind of clunky since you then make a transaction for the deposit on the bike and then get contacted by the dealer for a deposit on all of the accessories. I did all of this while sitting at a computer with the local dealer and it still ended up being two separate transactions. Little wonder the dealer indicated that I was the first one in line for all of the accessories as no one else bothered to go the extra step.

Skippy

Charlie posted this link - worked for me...

https://wide.piaggiogroup.com/en/articles/accessories/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-a-vast-range-of-accessories-to-suit-every-need/index.html (https://wide.piaggiogroup.com/en/articles/accessories/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-a-vast-range-of-accessories-to-suit-every-need/index.html)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 23, 2022, 11:41:33 PM
Now that you've ordered a V100 I'm wondering whether you've been able to download or procure the Owner Manual for your new steed?
We are not able to download them in Oz as yet (requires VIN and ZIP / POST code on the official Moto Guzzi download site).
We should be getting V100s around October 2022 in Oz.
October ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on November 24, 2022, 04:35:07 AM
October ?
https://www.bikesales.com.au/editorial/details/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-destined-for-australian-shores-137413/

Spring 2023 / late 2023 according to the above link
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on November 24, 2022, 05:30:41 AM
Looks like a main stand is available too.
(https://i.ibb.co/Z6Hgcr1/Mandello.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z6Hgcr1)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 24, 2022, 07:55:40 AM
Looks like a main stand is available too.
(https://i.ibb.co/Z6Hgcr1/Mandello.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z6Hgcr1)

That screen is going to be a sticking point for anyone half serious.
Not only will it be insufficient for touring, the whole visual balance looks odd.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on November 24, 2022, 08:13:23 AM
That screen is going to be a sticking point for anyone half serious.
Not only will it be insufficient for touring, the whole visual balance looks odd.

It's electrically adjustable by around 4-6" and there's a touring screen available. It may work well, the new Tiger 900 screen is small but works really well.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pescatore on November 24, 2022, 08:49:55 AM
Yeah, looks like the screen is all the way down. But being used to the Norge's protection, the V100 may need some aftermarket shields.

I am surprised by the rear box, sticking out so far back.   They could have copied the Norge setup. More appealing to me.
Maybe the pictures don't do justice. Hoping to see one live soon.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 24, 2022, 02:26:02 PM
The wheels should be the same understated silver as the tank…(same as the early Norges).
Screen should be tastefully scaled up and clear…(too dark).
The “aerodynamic winglets” are a lame blight on the bike’s lines and I’ll bet my flat tappets that they’re just “ gimmicky…”
Would be nice if the top case could be re positioned way further forward at the owners discretion when required.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Sye on November 24, 2022, 03:00:50 PM
I used to own a VFR750 with a Ventura rack and bag. Brilliant bit of kit and you could reverse the rack so it was over the pillion seat.

Like this...
(https://i.ibb.co/2Sbbmtg/M018-01-80828-1563702305-05353-1582710610-1280-1280-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2Sbbmtg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on November 24, 2022, 04:17:09 PM
Quote
...   Would be nice if the top case could be re positioned way further forward at the owners discretion when required.   

I can't see the rear mounting point for the top box bracket, but making a forward (over the seat) bracket looks doable.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 24, 2022, 08:21:38 PM
I can't see the rear mounting point for the top box bracket, but making a forward (over the seat) bracket looks doable.
It is.
I moved my V85 one 150 mm forward by modifying the bracket.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 25, 2022, 06:44:59 AM
That screen is going to be a sticking point for anyone half serious.
Not only will it be insufficient for touring, the whole visual balance looks odd.

Any bike with a big touring screen looks like crap. If having a big windshield is a priority to you, you just have to live with it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Trialsman on November 25, 2022, 08:35:44 AM
Like Huzo, I cut, rewelded, hence moved my case about 6" forward.  I later did the same for Tommy in Ohio.  It can be done if you want it so.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 25, 2022, 10:10:44 AM
Any bike with a big touring screen looks like crap. If having a big windshield is a priority to you, you just have to live with it.
Didn’t say I wanted a big one, but we’ll wait and see what the buyers say after the gloss wears off.

There will be complaints and I will draw your attention back to this point when it happens.

You Yanks are the ones that like them more than us and since when has something looking like crap, stopped American buyers clamouring to procure it ? We’ve all seen the horrible things bolted to the front of some people’s Norges and no, it’s not a “priority” for me, I have the small(er) standard screen on mine and I do get it out and ride it sometimes….
But not much.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: janguzzi on November 25, 2022, 11:43:32 AM
Source:
https://www.facebook.com/gabroracing/photos/pcb.5988462924594931/5988451231262767/

(https://i.servimg.com/u/f52/19/48/77/49/v10010.jpg) (https://servimg.com/view/19487749/94)

"Green is drag, mainly from tyre to roller contact. Red is measured rear wheel power, Black is calculated power at the clutch, Blue is a calculated torque at the clutch."

"So this should be the very first indipendent dyno test for the Moto Guzzi newcomer V100 Mandello :smiley:
She was just out of the break-in period and pulled 112hp on my very conservative dyno, pretty much matching the 115hp declared power.
Power delivery is clean with no dips at all, with strong low end, stronger midrange, and nice topend till the 9500rpm rev limiter.
Good work Moto Guzzi!"
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on November 25, 2022, 12:01:33 PM
That's an impressive run in terms of linear delivery. Not too bad out of the box. Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 25, 2022, 02:15:07 PM
Torque @ 4,200 COMPARED to 7,000 is fantastic.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 2dogs on November 25, 2022, 04:18:00 PM
Usually on a gas engine HP and torque cross just after 5200 RPM
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 25, 2022, 06:59:54 PM
This is what happens when you stop getting laid….
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2022, 04:11:51 AM
This is what happens when you stop getting laid….
So what happens Chad and why aren’t you doing ok ?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2022, 01:46:09 PM
I used to own a VFR750 with a Ventura rack and bag. Brilliant bit of kit and you could reverse the rack so it was over the pillion seat.

Like this...
(https://i.ibb.co/2Sbbmtg/M018-01-80828-1563702305-05353-1582710610-1280-1280-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2Sbbmtg)

Yes.
That’s how I always had mine on the Triumph and early years on the Norge, now have hard luggage but on both Norge and V85, top case a LONG way further forward than standard on current bikes after modification.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 26, 2022, 04:21:28 PM
I’m guessing here Huzo,  but I suspect some get way far out in the weeds speculating about the various chariteristcs of motorcycles that haven’t even been reLeased yet.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 26, 2022, 05:33:37 PM
I’m guessing here Huzo,  but I suspect some get way far out in the weeds speculating about the various chariteristcs of motorcycles that haven’t even been reLeased yet.
That sounds like a fair take on things Chad, but I don’t get the connection with not getting a shot away.
As for speculating about the new bike, isn’t that an integral part of the build up to something exciting ?
A new holiday, trip, relationship, car, home…etc
Anyone here who takes a running stab at what the new V100 will or won’t be like, I’m sure will be more than prepared to say…
“Oh yeah, that’s what I thought….” If their premonitions were correct
Or
“Jeez that’s a surprise, I expected something different…” If they’re wrong.

Also, if I wanted to, I could go back to the V85 threadfest that flooded these pages around 2017 or ‘18 where some of the greatest luminaries of the WildGuzzi community said things like…
 “it’s a concept bike, which means it’ll never make it into production…”
Now how did that pan out ?
The same was mooted here about the V100 and not very long ago…..There are a lot of cashed up old farts around who want to spend the remaining part of their biking life, reading articles about and preparing for the purchase of, the bike that will see them through the next few years…

You sometimes remind me of a jealous wife Chad…
You just can’t stand to see a guy enjoy himself with a little self indulgent fantasy…(so we’ve come the full circle about getting laid….).
Just to bring my point into sharper focus, I’ve bumped an old thread that was chocked full of meaty speculation regarding an upcoming new model from Moto Guzzi.
You were among the hordes of glitterati that gave us an insight into your ability to predict the motorcycling future, it doesn’t matter that you were completely clueless, I just thought it amusing that you were so early out of the gates to cast a speculative eye over the good news, when now you pour derision on those who do the same.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 27, 2022, 07:11:50 AM
Perhaps your on to something Huzo,  maybe I am behaving like a jealous wife??  Go ahead, have your little full. Lol

I am and always have been a fan of the v85, but are you saying I made predictions about the bike that were “wildly off” in the 87 page thread you just bumped?

I have no recollection of this, since it is 87 pages, could you sight where I allegedly did this?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on November 27, 2022, 12:43:08 PM
Perhaps your on to something Huzo,  maybe I am behaving like a jealous wife??  Go ahead, have your little full. Lol

I am and always have been a fan of the v85, but are you saying I made predictions about the bike that were “wildly off” in the 87 page thread you just bumped?

I have no recollection of this, since it is 87 pages, could you sight where I allegedly did this?
Reply #13 on the V85 threadfest.
Not the crime of the century for sure, but just an early prediction by you that the V85 would be a flop.
So you were not “always a fan”.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on November 27, 2022, 03:04:38 PM
Oh my,  the irony here is killing me!    Here I am complaining that you guys are "too much in the weeds",  yet I get sucked into playing "he said, she said" with a guy on the internet using quotes from 5 years ago!!

Anyway, here is the evidence that you pointed to, to support your contention that I claimed the v85 would be a flop.

my quote from 2017,   "I hope Guzzi is not still chasing BMW!   They have done it for decades and it has almost never been successful."


So here I go, into the weeds.     I never said the v85 would be a flop.   I said, just what it says!   I stand by it today.   For decades BMW and Guzzi built similar bikes for essentially the same market share.    Guzzi's, being mostly  cooler, and far more desirable to someone like me and you.   However, the larger market didn't feel the same as you and I.  BMW did, and continues to this day to dwarf Guzzi in sales.       

Recently Guzzi, under Piaggio, has seemed to realize that taking on much bigger BMW head to head was not working out great.     So they started a new approach, and the v85 is a prime example.   The v85 is something of a Retro adv bike, and Guzzi purposely designed it that way.   No other mfg had gone after a market for such, and it worked out very well for Guzzi.   For several years Guzzi made the only such bike in the segment,( now Ducati is trying to cash in with the Desert x),  and it sold well because it was not trying to be a BMW GS wannabe.   Guzzi started to embrace its strength, fun, old school air cooled bikes!   Far, different from anything BMW was going after.   Where are the light air cooled BMW to compete with the v7 or v9, they are decades gone, leaving the field wide open for Guzzi to capitalize on.    It worked so well,  it gave Guzzi the room and capital to design an entirely new bike to now go after some of those prized BMW sales that the Stelvio and Breva could just never quite pull off.

So you are going to have to dig deeper to find where it is that I disparaged the v85, I think your going to need a good deal of luck!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on November 27, 2022, 03:55:06 PM
You guys think it could be discussed whether or not the V100 would have the attributes of a two up tourer as it’s been advertised?

Dan
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: elrealistico on November 27, 2022, 04:05:07 PM
You guys think it could be discussed whether or not the V100 would have the attributes of a two up tourer as it’s been advertised?

Dan

Sure, why not? What's another Internet slapfight  :popcorn: As for me I will wait a year or 3, maybe the initial issues will be sorted by then, whether mechanical/electrical or with extras and accessories
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 27, 2022, 04:41:36 PM
Sure, why not? What's another Internet slapfight  :popcorn: As for me I will wait a year or 3, maybe the initial issues will be sorted by then, whether mechanical/electrical or with extras and accessories


People need to stop p!$$!ng in the corn flakes...


If I buy a v100 series it will be in 2025, hopefully the new Stelvio (and others) will be available at that time
Either way the initial kinks will be worked out. Hoping the Stelvio checks all the blocks.

The Mandello checks all the 1200 Sport boxes, and could be a replacement,
But we will see if the Stelvio will check the boxes to replace my current TT bike,
The Mello Yello Stornello... :cool:

For now, I am loving what I have.


(https://i.ibb.co/3Bswm2X/IMG-20210601-065558062.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3Bswm2X)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: moto on December 05, 2022, 03:48:19 PM
Nov. 30th Cycle News review, with price:

https://www.cyclenews.com/2022/11/article/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-s-review/ (https://www.cyclenews.com/2022/11/article/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-s-review/)

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on December 05, 2022, 03:57:07 PM
Nov. 30th Cycle News review, with price:

https://www.cyclenews.com/2022/11/article/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-s-review/ (https://www.cyclenews.com/2022/11/article/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-s-review/)

Thanks, another good review. As to the price, the base model maybe all that one needs but for the extra money I'd rather have the Ohlins S model.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 05, 2022, 04:05:22 PM
Thanks, another good review. As to the price, the base model maybe all that one needs but for the extra money I'd rather have the Ohlins S model.
The regret will surface quickly if you stop one step short and buy the “cheap” one.
You can’t get the good one in red I understand ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on December 05, 2022, 08:13:28 PM
Talked to Don today here in OKC.  All the bikes will be preordered for a customer.  So you may not see one at a dealer for a while.  Some of the tech features:  Finger follower valve gear needing shim adjustment.  A cool feature is a neutral lock; if you're stopped on the bike in first and kick the gearshift it locks to neutral and won't jump to 2nd,  I guess you have to kick it in first to find a gear.

Wind tunnel vids show that the moveable body really works to deflect airflow.

 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on December 09, 2022, 08:30:11 AM
I got the impression from the early photo’s that the bags were small, but I guess not based on these pictures.

(https://i.ibb.co/tCj0D0W/27-D0-E6-AA-421-D-49-D5-8665-DDA202879-FE8.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/BNmdm4G/676103-A8-F923-4-E0-A-8-BA0-63319258-FB30.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 09, 2022, 08:56:52 AM
Where the hell did you get those shots…
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Frenchfrog on December 09, 2022, 09:00:47 AM
A few have been delivered to shops here and in Germany
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 09, 2022, 09:17:15 AM
A few have been delivered to shops here and in Germany
Chris…
If I’d known that in Millau, I might have plotted a different solution to my problem….
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on December 09, 2022, 09:43:15 AM
Where the hell did you get those shots…

There is a V100 FB page and people are posting photo's of their new bikes.  I believe this guy is in Germany but there have been a fair amount of bike owner's in England who have posted pictures of their bikes.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on December 09, 2022, 10:05:39 AM
Thos bags are a bit too wide for my taste unless I was going transcontinental.  I wonder how long it will take to debut a California version?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on December 09, 2022, 10:18:51 AM
Seems like it shouldn’t be long before the usual suspects start offering their own after market bags etc.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jorg66 on December 10, 2022, 12:27:05 AM
yup .couple guys on aGerman forum bought and received their bikes ,one in Green ,the other one in Red.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SIR REAL ED on December 10, 2022, 08:40:09 AM
Usually on a gas engine HP and torque cross just after 5200 RPM

You are correct.  That is an excellent observation.  If torque is measured in ft-lbs, the equation to calculate horsepower is:

HP = ((Torque) x (RPM))/5252

rearranging:

5252 = ((Torque) x (RPM))/HP

I always find it reassuring when math or science supports a personal observation.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guido guzzi on December 10, 2022, 08:49:43 AM
I got the impression from the early photo’s that the bags were small, but I guess not based on these pictures.

(https://i.ibb.co/tCj0D0W/27-D0-E6-AA-421-D-49-D5-8665-DDA202879-FE8.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/BNmdm4G/676103-A8-F923-4-E0-A-8-BA0-63319258-FB30.jpg)

The bags are big enough to be useful but they do not look too big to me because they are tucked in so tightly!  :drool:
Liking this bike more with every picture I see. :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SIR REAL ED on December 10, 2022, 08:52:31 AM

People need to stop p!$$!ng in the corn flakes...


If I buy a v100 series it will be in 2025, hopefully the new Stelvio (and others) will be available at that time
Either way the initial kinks will be worked out. Hoping the Stelvio checks all the blocks.

The Mandello checks all the 1200 Sport boxes, and could be a replacement,
But we will see if the Stelvio will check the boxes to replace my current TT bike,
The Mello Yello Stornello... :cool:

For now, I am loving what I have.


(https://i.ibb.co/3Bswm2X/IMG-20210601-065558062.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3Bswm2X)


It will be interesting to see how quickly Moto Guzzi creates other bikes from the V100 platform. 

I suspect because it is such a monumental milestone machine (MMM for you internet poster type people) for the company, they might be a bit slower than usual to produce the variants.  I would think their marketing people would want to produce a smaller number than they can quickly sell for a while to increase desirability and a bit of mystique in the minds of future buyers.

Lets face it, if those supermodels were hitting on us normal guys, they would lose our respect.

It would be interesting to know what the chop shops and skunk works companies are doing with V100 sample bikes MG might have supplied.

It would be cool to see a naked retro version with round analogue clocks.  Or maybe a specialty shop producing some air cooled heads and cylinders for the aftermarket "off road use only" crowd.  "We don't need no stinkin emissions laws, we're off road riders!"

I suspect that an air cooled conversion kit would sell quite well to the financially affluent Moto Guzzistas!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tkelly on December 10, 2022, 09:44:07 AM
Don’t they have crash bars?I imagine the,pipes would be torn off in a minor get off.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AH Fan on December 10, 2022, 12:07:20 PM
Well like many of us MG enthusiasts I will be looking forward to seeing and possibly riding this new wonder if and when it manages to arive in this country.( we will probably be the last to see them up here Im sure)
I have not read all of the posts on this forum in regards to this particular machine but the one thing I fear may be happening is basicly the same as what has gradually happened to other boutique and or exotic machines through out the recent years ( Ducati for sure )
They have engineered the soul and uniqueness out of all of them and that is so disappointing in my humble opinion.
I have experienced this first hand over the years with Ducati as well as MG........... For better or for worse they all are starting to feel the same and I hope I am not offending anyone as I have no intention to.
My last depressing experience was when I was offered as much seat as needed on a KTM as well as a Ducati from one of our dealers and sadly you'd be hard pressed if blind folded to be able to tell the difference between them.
,I was ecstatic to ride out of there with my 2017 Stelvio never to need to look back at that stuff.
As sales figures show I'm obviously the minority in these observations but I'm comfortable with that.   :thumb:

Ciao
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on December 10, 2022, 01:58:39 PM
Don’t they have crash bars?I imagine the,pipes would be torn off in a minor get off.

Crash bars for the heads, looks like they will also protect the pipes.

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/316816662_508533377993773_3400546219450742696_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=TvBy-3xCix0AX9zK-lE&tn=Wt1yERMP8Vo0hO3R&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAnT_Tjt3hHApI2NwT_owMmgEdjfWEDJAMck5GKg9UmOQ&oe=6399578A)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Frenchfrog on December 10, 2022, 02:10:54 PM
There's another style around too BC...more like the cylinder head knuckle dusters.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on December 10, 2022, 03:10:38 PM
 With bags its starting to remind me of my old R1100RS.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on December 11, 2022, 09:17:31 AM
They look like the Givi mfg bags off of the Kawasakis.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SIR REAL ED on December 11, 2022, 09:49:50 AM
With bags its starting to remind me of my old R1100RS.

Wow! 

You are right.  A quick glance has me thinking "Nice looking Beemer!"
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on December 11, 2022, 10:04:41 AM
Agreed. The amount of coverage looks very similar to an oil head RS.  I had the airhead RS which nothing else really looked like and the Oilhead RS which does strongly resemble the V100.  It should be a nice compromise between naked and a fully faired bike like Norge or RT. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: davevv on December 11, 2022, 10:35:21 AM
With bags its starting to remind me of my old R1100RS.

Yes, it does look a lot like my RS.  Probably the reason I like the looks of the new Guzzi so much.

(https://i.ibb.co/vDXSk5K/20221004-122753.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vDXSk5K)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on December 12, 2022, 09:07:17 AM
Good rider review from a non-Moto journalist.

https://youtu.be/x0T6k79_26I
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on December 12, 2022, 10:14:59 AM
Saying it looks like any BMW introduced in the last 40 years is hardly a compliment, but the V100 looks a lot less like a BMW than the direct BMW-replicas introduced after a Aprilia took over, meaning Breva 1100, Stelvio etc. I say that’s a good thing even while thinking that the V100 looks too generic, too Japanese to really suck me in.

The V85TT was more distinctive, very good looking but riding and using mine has so far not caused me to fall in love.  It’s competent but a bit characterless to ride.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on December 12, 2022, 10:40:50 AM
Tus:  I always like your perspective, but will challenge you just a little on your last post, but these are only opinions anyway.

To each his own on style (or lack of).  I am a fan of BMW styling until the 2005 model year.  A prefer Botticeli to Picaso.  I liked the looks of my Muth designed 1984 R100RS probably the most of any bike I have had with the 97 R1100RS and my 2004 R1150RT and the most voluptuous of all, the mighty K1200RS also nice looking.
I get what you are talking about on the V85.  To me, the best looking Adv. bike ever created and the only reason I have one (McD paint).  I could not bring myself to own any Adv. that came before because of the looks.  As for the performance.  I agree some, that the bike is "Honda-like" in the good ways that it has been perfect through 24,000 miles but also, it is much more modern feeling than nearly anything I have owned to date and you could call that stodgy or possibly boring, but it is just so competent and different enough from everything else out there that I am still excited to ride it.  It is incredibly fun on the many twisty roads where I live.  Removing the Cat made it more lively and a little throatier.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on December 12, 2022, 11:07:41 AM
The loop frame bikes, California series including the short lifespan of the 1400 were all derivative of Harley Davidson but for some reason the Carc bikes have been given a certain amount of contempt because they pursued a style that was similar to BMW but that doesn't seem to be the case with the SP's which also mimicked BMW.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on December 12, 2022, 11:32:00 AM
The loop frame bikes, California series including the short lifespan of the 1400 were all derivative of Harley Davidson

Nope.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on December 12, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
I had an Audace with a license plate frame that said: Not a Harley.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on December 12, 2022, 01:28:59 PM
Nope.

"The Berliner Motor Corporation's obsession with entering the large and profitable US police motorcycle market against Harley-Davidson is characterized as folly for the unrealistic specification that Berliner demanded of the Ducati Apollo, yet authors like Falloon laud the Apollo for vision of this very specification. The Apollo engine, in V-twin form, would in fact become the heart of Ducatis for the following four decades. Similarly, the Berliners pushed Moto Guzzi to create a big v-twin for the American police market, and had greater success with the production of the Moto Guzzi V7. Like Ducati, this engine type would carry Moto Guzzi from those days up to the present day, and Moto Guzzi in the end found many police department customers for their version of the Berliner dream bike."

"Moto Guzzi, like Ducati, was under pressure from the Berliner brothers to produce a Harley-Davidson-style big-bore V-engined bike.
It was reported that Moto Guzzi sold 5,000 Eldorados per year from 1972–1974, making it a fierce competitor to the Harley FLH."

And this:

"A cruiser motorcycle is a motorcycle in the style of American machines from the 1930s to the early 1960s, including those made by Harley-Davidson, Indian, Excelsior and Henderson. The riding position usually places the feet forward and the hands up, with the spine erect or leaning back slightly. Typical cruiser engines emphasize easy rideability and shifting, with plenty of low-end torque but not necessarily large amounts of horsepower, and are traditionally V-twins, but inline engines have become more common. Cruisers with greater performance than usual, including more horsepower, stronger brakes and better suspension, are often called power cruisers.

Japanese companies began producing models evocative of the early cruisers in the mid-1980s, and by 1997 the market had grown to nearly 60 percent of the US market, such that a number of motorcycle manufacturers including BMW, Honda, Moto Guzzi, Yamaha, Suzuki, Triumph and Victory have currently or have had important models evocative of the American cruiser."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruiser_(motorcycle)

And one of the photo examples:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/2000JackalV11.jpg/220px-2000JackalV11.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on December 12, 2022, 02:59:14 PM
Strangely, in the early 70's Harley was making junk and losing dealers and customers. At the same time Guzzi had some good products and a fair number of dealers. If they had just kicked up the quality a bit and stood behind their dealers better Harley might have disappeared and Guzzi might be much larger. Unfortunately Guzzi still hasn't learned that lesson and still struggles to find and keep dealers and customers.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on December 13, 2022, 12:00:49 PM
I am a fan of BMW styling until the 2005 model year.  A prefer Botticeli to Picaso.  I liked the looks of my Muth designed 1984 R100RS probably the most of any bike I have had with the 97 R1100RS and my 2004 R1150RT and the most voluptuous of all, the mighty K1200RS also nice looking.

The R100RS was introduced in 1977, when BMW styling was tasteful and (probably not coincidentally) BMW advertised their bikes and being intentionally light and simple.  They were classy bikes.  Germanic yes, and that doesn't often equate to style, but classy and not unattractive.

The last BMW I think was well styled was the original K100RS, circa 1984.  It was not beautiful but in original form with unpainted engine and automotive paint colors it was distinctive and classy too.  The original R100GS of 1988 was also a bike that you could look at without pain, it was clearly built to do a job and it wasn't really styled, it was just built with quality parts and details.   After that, BMWs became monuments to bulbous, tasteless excess.  Slowly at first, then more and more.  At what particular year you draw the line and say 'enough' is up to the individual but today they are nothing but ugly.  It was painful to see Aprilia and then Piaggio make direct copies for a while, losing any sense of Guzzi's dignity, direction and style in doing so.  Piaggio has turned that around in the last few years and discovered Guzzi's own value, although to my eyes the V100 fairing looks like something off a Kawasaki Versys.  The rest of it is not bad, but not great and not as good as the V85TT.

BMW has also become a horrendous, greedy monster in terms of its business practices during that same period, hiring swarms of MBA types to victimize dealers and so on.  Piaggio seems to have copied that too, and one hopes that they will similarly reject it as time goes on.  The whole thing is tasteless.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on December 13, 2022, 03:30:54 PM
"The Berliner Motor Corporation's obsession with entering the large and profitable US police motorcycle market against Harley-Davidson is characterized as folly for the unrealistic specification that Berliner demanded of the Ducati Apollo, yet authors like Falloon laud the Apollo for vision of this very specification. The Apollo engine, in V-twin form, would in fact become the heart of Ducatis for the following four decades. Similarly, the Berliners pushed Moto Guzzi to create a big v-twin for the American police market, and had greater success with the production of the Moto Guzzi V7. Like Ducati, this engine type would carry Moto Guzzi from those days up to the present day, and Moto Guzzi in the end found many police department customers for their version of the Berliner dream bike."

"Moto Guzzi, like Ducati, was under pressure from the Berliner brothers to produce a Harley-Davidson-style big-bore V-engined bike.
It was reported that Moto Guzzi sold 5,000 Eldorados per year from 1972–1974, making it a fierce competitor to the Harley FLH."

And this:

"A cruiser motorcycle is a motorcycle in the style of American machines from the 1930s to the early 1960s, including those made by Harley-Davidson, Indian, Excelsior and Henderson. The riding position usually places the feet forward and the hands up, with the spine erect or leaning back slightly. Typical cruiser engines emphasize easy rideability and shifting, with plenty of low-end torque but not necessarily large amounts of horsepower, and are traditionally V-twins, but inline engines have become more common. Cruisers with greater performance than usual, including more horsepower, stronger brakes and better suspension, are often called power cruisers.

Japanese companies began producing models evocative of the early cruisers in the mid-1980s, and by 1997 the market had grown to nearly 60 percent of the US market, such that a number of motorcycle manufacturers including BMW, Honda, Moto Guzzi, Yamaha, Suzuki, Triumph and Victory have currently or have had important models evocative of the American cruiser."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruiser_(motorcycle)

And one of the photo examples:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/2000JackalV11.jpg/220px-2000JackalV11.jpg)

1966 V700 prototype:

(https://i.ibb.co/89J218n/V700-prototype-US.jpg) (https://ibb.co/89J218n)


1966 Harley:

(https://i.ibb.co/xMr22st/66-Harley.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xMr22st)


I'm not seeing the resemblance. Still nope.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Frenchfrog on December 13, 2022, 04:24:00 PM
Obviously different but trying to hit the same market segment in the 60's and early seventies.Most of the other possibilities were British  which were smaller and much lighter as a rule (apart from the then defunct Vincent's and Ariel square fours) and certainly not cruiser style ;or BMW which were I'd call Gentleman  roadsters  .It was pressure from the US that made Guzzi increase the capacity to 850 cc too according to several authors.What I'm not sure is if Guzzi had the US market in their sights from the drawing board stage though.Somehow I don't think so as the previous ranges didn't sell much stateside did they?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on December 13, 2022, 07:31:15 PM
Obviously different but trying to hit the same market segment in the 60's and early seventies.Most of the other possibilities were British  which were smaller and much lighter as a rule (apart from the then defunct Vincent's and Ariel square fours) and certainly not cruiser style ;or BMW which were I'd call Gentleman  roadsters  .It was pressure from the US that made Guzzi increase the capacity to 850 cc too according to several authors.What I'm not sure is if Guzzi had the US market in their sights from the drawing board stage though.Somehow I don't think so as the previous ranges didn't sell much stateside did they?

Guzzi's reason for building the V700 was to win an Italian government contract for a new police/military motorcycle. The US market was the furthest thing from their mind at that point - they just wanted to win the contract - it meant Guzzi's very survival.

The Berliners were still faffing about with the Ducati Apollo about the same time. "About the same time as the Apollo production deal fell through, Joe Berliner first set eyes on an interesting new project from his other Italian affiliate. On a visit to the Moto Guzzi factory, Berliner was shown a prototype of the new V700 and realized the possibilities". (Greg Field - Moto Guzzi Big Twins).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Frenchfrog on December 14, 2022, 04:04:29 AM
That was my deduction as to it's early  design...but no doubt due to the Berliner's, the factory realized that there was a huge market which they could get a small slice of after just a few changes to their product.Gregg's book as you point out tells the story really well.
Going forward a few years ,it's obvious that Guzzi had seen a clear market for their California models in the US and even more in Europe where the pricing would be much more favorable for them.Hence all the developments in the California range.The Japanese manufacturer's also realized that they could enter that market ,hence all the big metric cruisers ( which much more closely mirrored the Harley design ) that started to appear a bit later.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on December 15, 2022, 06:49:46 AM
I am eager to see the V100 in person.  Current early reviews of the machine now that it's out in the public are very positive. I have two prime concerns. 

The reports I've received from people who have seen and sat on the V100 are that it is a junior-sized machine.  Dimensionally, they say the bike felt smaller than the V85TT but bigger than the V7 series.  That's not good news to me.  I am interested in a machine in the ballpark of my BMW 1250GS or the H-D PA and countless other current adventure-style bikes. 

The other thing is the issue Moto Guzzi quality control and that's something that will take time to bear out. Electrical connectors, component assembly etc etc, are all things that have traditionally caused problems for Guzzi products. The old saying, "yeah, you have to sort them out to get them correct" has no place in the modern motorcycle market. 

An owner should not have to be a mechanic to own a Guzzi and deal with it.  Just look at the topics of how to fix them that pervade this very forum. For example, lingering in my mind is that I really should tear off the entire rear swing arm assembly of my new GRiSO and grease the bearings which probably were not greased at the factory.  I remember a host of these sort of things I had to do to my Stelvio while I had it.  Many of such problems should have been taken care of at the factory before the bikes were ever sold. Competition will continue to eat Guzzi's lunch if this persists.

.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on December 15, 2022, 08:14:07 AM
I've been on those bikes you mention.  All feel much larger that my V85TT, which is one of the reasons I got it.  Personal preference and all that.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on December 15, 2022, 12:16:54 PM
I am eager to see the V100 in person.  Current early reviews of the machine now that it's out in the public are very positive. I have two prime concerns. 

The reports I've received from people who have seen and sat on the V100 are that it is a junior-sized machine.  Dimensionally, they say the bike felt smaller than the V85TT but bigger than the V7 series.  That's not good news to me.  I am interested in a machine in the ballpark of my BMW 1250GS or the H-D PA and countless other current adventure-style bikes. 

The other thing is the issue Moto Guzzi quality control and that's something that will take time to bear out. Electrical connectors, component assembly etc etc, are all things that have traditionally caused problems for Guzzi products. The old saying, "yeah, you have to sort them out to get them correct" has no place in the modern motorcycle market. 

An owner should not have to be a mechanic to own a Guzzi and deal with it.  Just look at the topics of how to fix them that pervade this very forum. For example, lingering in my mind is that I really should tear off the entire rear swing arm assembly of my new GRiSO and grease the bearings which probably were not greased at the factory.  I remember a host of these sort of things I had to do to my Stelvio while I had it.  Many of such problems should have been taken care of at the factory before the bikes were ever sold. Competition will continue to eat Guzzi's lunch if this persists.
As to your first concern,
Wait one extra year for the V100 Stelvio that MG announced at EIMCA last month. It will be the adventure styled bike, larger than the Mandello.
As to your second concern,
Wait one extra year for the V100 quality control to be reported on right here at this website.

Several here, myself included are waiting for the above.  :clock:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on December 15, 2022, 02:03:36 PM
Mistral at work:

https://youtube.com/shorts/hDzMlDjRQ1M?feature=share
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on December 15, 2022, 04:01:11 PM
 

The other thing is the issue Moto Guzzi quality control and that's something that will take time to bear out. Electrical connectors, component assembly etc etc, are all things that have traditionally caused problems for Guzzi products. The old saying, "yeah, you have to sort them out to get them correct" has no place in the modern motorcycle market. 


.

I think you'll find this is a lot closer to an Aprilia in quality, complete redesign no legacy hangovers from previous production techniques.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on December 15, 2022, 04:19:46 PM
So, from people who actually own one, how is Aprilia quality?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 15, 2022, 04:28:55 PM
The old saying, "yeah, you have to sort them out to get them correct" has no place in the modern motorcycle market. 
An owner should not have to be a mechanic to own a Guzzi and deal with it. 
Well mate, that’s always going to be true if you look at it with commonsense, but we know that commonsense has no place in motorcycles.
Most of the people that I count as friends in the biking world, were key because I was dealing with some form of adversity at the time…
I know there’ll be a temptation to take that reasoning and expand it so as to make it sound ridiculous, but I hope that doesn’t happen.
Some names on that list are..
Pete Roper
Gonzo
Frenchfrog
Paul Brooking
and a cast of dozens…..
I like my bikes to need some attention, owning a GS is how you become aloof and isolated.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Frenchfrog on December 16, 2022, 03:16:50 AM
Thanks Huzo ! Glad to have been of some minor help .
 Your Norge is a fine testimony that Guzzi build and quality is fine....200,000 plus on any bikes odo without any major intervention is irrefutable proof  .
Are they all that reliable? Obviously some exceptions but look at any other brand and the answer will be similar...shit happens or not, sometimes caused by Luigi or Hans, sometimes by a forgetful service tech,sometimes by the little pimple head in the accounting department.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on December 16, 2022, 05:33:00 AM
Thanks Huzo ! Glad to have been of some minor help .
 Your Norge is a fine testimony that Guzzi build and quality is fine....200,000 plus on any bikes odo without any major intervention is irrefutable proof  .
Are they all that reliable? Obviously some exceptions but look at any other brand and the answer will be similar...shit happens or not, sometimes caused by Luigi or Hans, sometimes by a forgetful service tech,sometimes by the little pimple head in the accounting department.
Some of mine, were  precipitated by me in a peripheral sort of way.

#1
Main power wire dislodging from the back of ignition switch, when I was less than gentle removing the front fairing mount.
#2
ECU disconnect indication leading to me using a metallic object to remove a relay, causing a blown fuse protecting the  supply to the ECU.
#3
Breakdown of insulation on part of the wiring loom, inappropriately re located by me to create some under seat space.

The things that were not caused by me were..
#1
Failure of electric windscreen motor..(replaced under warranty)
#2
Aforementioned fairing mount broken due to absence of gusseting of tubular mount.
#3
Bevel box pinion nut coming loose
#4
Broken centrestand.

That’s about it really, not bad for 15 years.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ohiorider on December 16, 2022, 11:10:28 AM
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Just went to the mailbox .....  and Surprise!  I haven't subscribed to Road Runner for forever ...... but there it was.  Perhaps it's simply a promotion.  Regardless, nice front cover photo.  Looking forward to reading about the latest Guzzi soon as I pour a cuppa java.

First rides can't be too far away!

Bob


(https://i.ibb.co/8sg9cYq/New-V100-Guzzi-Road-Runner-cover.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8sg9cYq)


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: acguzzi on December 16, 2022, 12:50:48 PM
I have an aprilia rsv mille from 2000, only issue I've had was a fuel pump, the reputation is that they are reliable machines and very robust engines.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on December 16, 2022, 03:06:05 PM
My 'reliability' concerns are more related to a first year model than that it comes from Guzzi.

My most reliable motorcycle has been my 1979 XS1100, but that had it's issues, mainly electrical with advance wires shorting, ignition switch melting, and fuse block issues. Mechanically it was about perfect.

Least reliable was my FJR 1300. It had the most problems of any bike I've owned, but most were minor.

So far, the CARC bikes are my favorite, hoping the V100 platform speaks to me.

My 07 Griso 16K miles, and 16 Stornello 8K miles have been perfect mechanically. Just routine maintenance.

The 1200 Sport was owned from new by Ohio Rider and now me has been mostly rock solid as well, with the dash being the most significant issue. I put a new dash in 2 years ago and good to go so far. I also bought the Convert 2 years ago, and did a refresh, no issues so far, but is kind of moot.

My 2014 Norge had several issues, to include cam timing being off one tooth, bad fuel gauge sender, weeping grub screws, and my 2017 MGX 21 had several issues related to dealer setup.  I had the Norge 3 years and 10K miles, the MGX 9 months and 3K miles.

Seems that many of the electronic systems are off the shelf from Aprilia, so likely well proven, the engine and drive train will likely have teething pains as every new model will.

As said before, I'm waiting till 2025 regardless, and will decide between Stelvio or Mandello or whatever other models that may come our way. It is going to be hard to justify replacing something in the paddock, but I am very interested and look forward to seeing bikes at US dealers. I'm 3 hours from two dealers and am hoping for demo rides this summer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on December 16, 2022, 05:26:18 PM
Mistral at work:

https://youtube.com/shorts/hDzMlDjRQ1M?feature=share

Well, I guess I will set aside a little bit more money now......

Skippy
 :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on December 17, 2022, 02:39:48 PM
My most reliable bike has been '17 Ducati SS 939
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on December 20, 2022, 01:20:41 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/hDzMlDjRQ1M?feature=share

Dyno run.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on December 20, 2022, 08:32:50 PM
Oh yes!!  Just arrived in the mail!


(https://i.ibb.co/YcYfyRP/64-A2-B576-99-FB-4764-8-C7-E-BAFD88-A5-B1-A1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YcYfyRP)

64 sided die (https://freeonlinedice.com/)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on December 22, 2022, 01:18:51 PM
got to sling my leg over a red one today at the dealers in France.

impressions

- great riding position, seat height and reach to bars is perfect.
-bike is a great size and weight
- fit and finish is really good.
-the gold wheels are gorgeous

I didnt like the flat angle of the handlebars (about the same as a griso) and would probably swap the bars out.

I'm tempted but I think I'm going to wait a year and see what else they do with the platform. (I'm dreaming of one with 2 nice round analogue gauges instead of that darned TFT monstrosity.
.
nice work moto guzzi!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on December 22, 2022, 02:50:22 PM
So is it somewhat laid over seating like a 1200 sport, Griso or more upright like a v7
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on December 22, 2022, 04:52:18 PM
So is it somewhat laid over seating like a 1200 sport, Griso or more upright like a v7
Less forward lean than 1200 sport and Griso.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on December 22, 2022, 06:16:34 PM
yes, less than griso...

the distance from the seat to the handlebars on the griso is quite long compared to other bikes actually
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on December 23, 2022, 08:06:42 AM
Crap,! I had written it off as too sporty. Now not so sure.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phil/TX on January 02, 2023, 11:00:33 AM
Another month, still no V100 in the states, I’m beginning my initial thought’s may be right…………..March or April. It’s hard to hold on to the money for so long :coffee:. Anyone have a delivery date?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on January 03, 2023, 08:48:25 AM
Another month, still no V100 in the states, I’m beginning my initial thought’s may be right…………..March or April. It’s hard to hold on to the money for so long :coffee:. Anyone have a delivery date?

Not officially. When I ordered mine the Guzzi website said late January but the local dealer told me not to expect it until March. Doesn't much matter since I would by hard pressed to find a decent day for a ride until April around these parts of the world.

I will say that I haven't gotten any updates from the factory. When I ordered the bike I was led to believe to expect periodic updates when the bike gets closer to arrival.

Skippy 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 03, 2023, 10:54:40 AM
I’m looking forward to having a ride on one, but I cannot understand why I’m not getting keen on buying one.

It’s not like me… :undecided:

I do think that front fairing thing looks a bit undercooked, there’s gunna’ be a plethora of owners fitting extensions of all descriptions to the Perspex….It won’t be pretty.
Somebody in the ‘States is gunna’ take one more than 20 miles from home and realise the inadequacy of that little “thing” on the front……Then THE PROCESS… :evil: will start
The introduction of the Stelvio might forestall any such shenanigans if it is suitably equipped, but I further predict that there’ll be a flood of lightly used highly farkled V100’s hitting the for sale pages as owners lament the purchase of the V100 Mandello, when they could have gotten the Stelvio.
But there are millions of dollars sitting in the pockets of retired cashed up old farts, who would go and buy a new Guzzi and the only thing stopping them is the seat is too far from the road…!

Get that seat height down Luigi, 50 mm minimum….!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on January 04, 2023, 10:07:16 AM
on the topic of seat height..

went back to the dealers today with my girlfriend to get a pillion perspective...

her vote, absolutely useless. Which is what I expected, just look at the height of the pillion foot pegs. Her vote was that it felt about as bad as the griso, which is the worst pillion bike of all time.

GF is an ex ballet dancer of slender proportions, so I'm betting if it's too cramped for her it'll be too cramped for everyone. She can handle 5 hour days on the cali or the old loop frame fwiw.

Don't expect to put miles on this thing with a passenger!!!

I'm waiting to see what other models they bring out with this motor

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pescatore on January 04, 2023, 12:19:29 PM
I hope Corbin and others come through with a solution.
The original Norge seat is just as bad, but the Corbin replacement is infinitely better to me.
I guess the exhaust location complicates changing the peg height.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on January 04, 2023, 01:16:08 PM
I have the factory lowered seat on my 07 Norge which I bought when taking delivery of the bike and it's been fine for all these years.  And I thought the factory was offering a lower and higher seat for the V100.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on January 04, 2023, 03:46:17 PM
I hope Corbin and others come through with a solution.
The original Norge seat is just as bad, but the Corbin replacement is infinitely better to me.
I guess the exhaust location complicates changing the peg height.

Corbin has yet to do anything for the V85TT so I wouldn't hold my breath.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jorg66 on January 04, 2023, 05:28:34 PM
"pillion perspective" ,been waiting to hear from someone here ,....  .I say, 'thought so' . No good for Two up riding ,therefore no good to us .
Nevertheless, once the first once arrive up here ,I'd like to take it for a Ride.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on January 04, 2023, 11:44:52 PM
There are plenty of talanted seat makers around who can make what you want and it'll be superior to any factory offering anyway.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on January 05, 2023, 05:13:14 AM
true, but the seat is the least of your worries when the subframe has the passenger too high up and the exhaust dictates that the pegs give no leg room.

Obviously, it could be sorted with a lot of modding, but my point was that as it comes, this thing stinks as a passenger mount
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on January 05, 2023, 10:25:20 AM
true, but the seat is the least of your worries when the subframe has the passenger too high up and the exhaust dictates that the pegs give no leg room.

Obviously, it could be sorted with a lot of modding, but my point was that as it comes, this thing stinks as a passenger mount

Simply a result of the current styling trend that dictates rear of the seat only going back to around the axle, lots of space above the rear wheel, and mufflers angled up.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on January 05, 2023, 10:51:12 AM
absolutely spot on.

I find it infuriating

sorry for thread drift!!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on January 05, 2023, 04:54:06 PM
Strange, Corbin offers seats for v9s, which have sold much more poorly than the v85.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on January 05, 2023, 10:10:07 PM
Oh my.  Have we devolved into Winter discussions of the perceived comfort regarding the stock seat?   :popcorn: :grin: :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on January 06, 2023, 06:41:33 AM
Strange, Corbin offers seats for v9s, which have sold much more poorly than the v85.

I sent Corbin a note about seats for the new Guzzi models and their reply stated that they're not doing new models at this time. I find that interesting as their website lists dozens of new models including Livewire, Zero, e-bikes and even Peloton. Maybe if enough people wrote them they'd be motivated to make one for the V85.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on January 06, 2023, 02:01:32 PM
Not much news, but I  ran across this-  Motorcyclist named the V100 as one of the best looking new bikes:
https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/story/news/best-looking-motorcycles/ (https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/story/news/best-looking-motorcycles/)

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on January 07, 2023, 12:21:45 PM
Concept bike-designer is Italian if I understand correct.


(https://i.ibb.co/wcsf9B5/Moto-Guzzi-Concept1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wcsf9B5)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 07, 2023, 01:48:44 PM
Concept bike-designer is Italian if I understand correct.


(https://i.ibb.co/wcsf9B5/Moto-Guzzi-Concept1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wcsf9B5)

Seat stupidly high.
Headlight and instruments are garbage.
Front ‘guard mount is very scrapyard challenge.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on January 08, 2023, 08:01:00 AM
Concept bike-designer is Italian if I understand correct.


(https://i.ibb.co/wcsf9B5/Moto-Guzzi-Concept1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wcsf9B5)


I like it.  A lot.  If nothing else it gives you one idea of what will likely be many different versions of bikes with the new engine.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on January 08, 2023, 08:41:01 AM
I'm fond of the paint
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: krglorioso on January 08, 2023, 09:11:39 PM
I find the concept bike more appealing than the production V-100, but for the headlamp.  Please, please, a round headlamp mounted in a bullet-like shell....

Ralph
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: OldMojo on January 08, 2023, 11:12:35 PM
Seat stupidly high.
Headlight and instruments are garbage.
Front ‘guard mount is very scrapyard challenge.

I dunno - is the seat too high or the bars too low?

Headlight is parts bin Breva - no thanks
Standard clocks rather than big TFT screen will appeal to many.

Fender mounts look to be re-purposed struts from the old Cali fenders. I like the throwback charm  :cheesy:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on January 10, 2023, 07:23:56 AM
I thought this was a good write up (FB post) from a person who has never owned a Moto Guzzi and is coming from a BMW R1250 RT:

“My views on the V100.

Currently I ride a BMW R1250 RT LE.
Haven't ridden for nearly 10 years and that was the RT 1150 which I loved. (I'm 64 )
Just couldn't feel at one with the 1250.
So after only 4 months started thinking about alternative options.
I prefer shaft drive which of course severly limits ones choice.
Back in May I looked at the V7 and V85 but decided they weren't quite right.

Today I finally got to ride the V100 Mandello, not the S version.
So finally my thoughts.
The 45 kg saving in weight feels like much more weight saved, the center of gravity feels much lower.
It had a more balanced feel from the first instant.
I sit more on top of the V100 than the RT and need much less effort to throw the V100 around.
Power to weight ratio for bike only is on par but the V100 felt much more responsive possibly just lower final drive ratio.
Engine sounds fairly turbine like with gentle throttle application but a more lion like roar if you ask for more.
Power delivery is smoother than the RT to with good grunt from low revolutions possibly even lower than the RT.
The engine feels more alive somehow, I might have broken the speed limit while checking this .
Sound isn't high on my list of priorities but the V100 does stir the blood.
Clutch is very light and I wouldn't feel the need for a quick shifter even with arthritis in my left hand.
Brakes are sharp and much like the RT with the exception that you get a bit of front dive on the V100.
Comfort I found very good with excellent support from the seat.
Some vibration felt in the foot pegs but not in the handlebars.
Wind protection obviously not up to RT standard but still good, more wind felt on chest which could be an issue in cold weather.
Didn't notice any buffeting though which is good, I might have broken the speed limit while checking this as well. Considering how small the little screen is visually they've done a great job aerodynamically.

Summing up I felt more at home, safer and yet more enjoyment within the 1st mile than I currently feel on the RT after 1,700 miles.

So I've ordered the V100S.

Should also have added thanks to Arnold's motorcycles in Burton on Trent for the opportunity to test ride the bike today.

Also forgot suspension.
A bit on the hard side compared to what I'm used to but that could just be how this particular bike was set up.
What it did do was hold a line perfectly regardless of any bumps on the road.
This is my first Italian bike ride, I've always wondered if they handled better or not.
Certainly it gave a good deal of confidence on our less than good roads.

Also also forgot the gearbox.
I found it much smoother than the RT and certainly finding neutral is much easier.
I thought the actual gear lever arm looked a bit too short but had no problems on the ride.
A curious noise into 1st or 2nd, more of a hollow clunk really but I believe that's pretty standard on these.
On the RT I usually get up into 6th as soon as possible, I found the V100 didn't make me want to do that.
Clearly more of a sports bike than tourer at least to me.“
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on January 10, 2023, 08:54:28 PM
I find the concept bike more appealing than the production V-100, but for the headlamp.  Please, please, a round headlamp mounted in a bullet-like shell....

Ralph

Ralph, I'm afraid round headlights are now historical.  LEDs work in so many shapes that there is simply no need to make the headlamps round anymore.  But I feel for you- I like round also.
J
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on January 23, 2023, 04:59:55 PM
Evidently they are getting closer to North America:

“Dear Moto Guzzi Customer,

We are pleased to announce your Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello is nearing arrival in US and want to thank you for your order. Congratulations in joining Moto Guzzi in celebrating another 100 years of history with the arrival of this new motorcycle.

Your order is confirmed has been confirmed with your selected dealership and that any additional items have been addressed to ensure a timely delivery of your new V100 Mandello.

We will provide additional updates over the coming weeks, to confirm specific delivery timelines to your dealership. Orders will be fulfilled in a first come, first served basis over the next few months.

Please anticipate an additional follow-up within the next couple weeks, and do not hesitate to reach out concerning your order should you have any questions.”
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on January 28, 2023, 11:49:33 AM
Under the valve cover:

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/326170698_1244560746271698_9026777266033592774_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=C44d1WO5C-QAX8h6EFK&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfCN5w8LUIHr4svEj0E8U3GPI2wzBrD6Csz_eDtX_5UljA&oe=63DB219B)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on January 28, 2023, 02:03:50 PM
Under the valve cover:

(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/326170698_1244560746271698_9026777266033592774_n.jpg?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=C44d1WO5C-QAX8h6EFK&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfCN5w8LUIHr4svEj0E8U3GPI2wzBrD6Csz_eDtX_5UljA&oe=63DB219B)
That’s not flaking  on the cam is it..? :evil:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on January 28, 2023, 10:44:56 PM
Is that a decompression mechanism on the end of the exhaust camshaft for easier cranking?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on January 29, 2023, 05:51:50 AM
Is that a Roaman Candal launch tube in the center?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on January 29, 2023, 06:25:14 AM
So many questions.  So little time. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on January 29, 2023, 11:17:14 AM
Is that a Roaman Candal launch tube in the center?

Noooo....that is where you keep the suspender wax.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rschrum on February 01, 2023, 09:32:10 PM
Seems the cams have to come out to change the valve shims. Radiator off, front chest cover off and pin the crank. According to Roper.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 01, 2023, 09:41:07 PM
Seems the cams have to come out to change the valve shims. Radiator off, front chest cover off and pin the crank. According to Roper.

what is the mileage interval?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on February 02, 2023, 05:50:17 AM
what is the mileage interval?

First valve adjustment is at 15,000 miles.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 02, 2023, 11:34:55 AM
First valve adjustment is at 15,000 miles.

That's easily a couple of years of riding before going to the shop.  Unless you do the work yourself and order the shims as needed.  My guess is the a majority of riders will have the shops do it.  A shame since the valve covers are out in the open that all the other stuff needs to come off.  Perhaps a clearance check can be done simply otherwise (and only to change the shims would require all that)?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on February 02, 2023, 12:25:48 PM
That's easily a couple of years of riding before going to the shop.  Unless you do the work yourself and order the shims as needed.  My guess is the a majority of riders will have the shops do it.  A shame since the valve covers are out in the open that all the other stuff needs to come off.  Perhaps a clearance check can be done simply otherwise (and only to change the shims would require all that)?

Probably worth asking on a Aprilia site as they are using the same valve setup on one or more bikes.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on February 05, 2023, 07:54:20 AM
Very sorry if this has been posted/asked before but what is the otd pricing looking like on these at the moment?  The recent Guzzi specials on leftover models is pretty much too tempting to pass up but maybe I should wait.  Still deciding.  Watched this yesterday but it’s only “bad” things in title, vastly more positive things and tons of praise.  Not that you should listen to LCR, but he is amusing.  https://youtu.be/1UAqDipHKm4
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on February 06, 2023, 07:55:57 PM
That's easily a couple of years of riding before going to the shop.  Unless you do the work yourself and order the shims as needed.  My guess is the a majority of riders will have the shops do it.  A shame since the valve covers are out in the open that all the other stuff needs to come off.  Perhaps a clearance check can be done simply otherwise (and only to change the shims would require all that)?

Yeah, and if they use quality shims/buckets/cams/etc., a person might check it at 15,000 and find it needs no adjustment, which is not unusual on other modern motorcycles.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 06, 2023, 10:36:33 PM
Yeah, and if they use quality shims/buckets/cams/etc., a person might check it at 15,000 and find it needs no adjustment, which is not unusual on other modern motorcycles.

dunno about that , particularly the first service.  I have suspicion that some shops take the cash and never crack a valve cover.  When you read forums, half the riders say the valves were all still in spec and then the others say they need 4 shims..........jus doesn't add up to me.  My Duc was the first bike I've owned that requires shims (16).  It needed 4 on first adjust, took it to an independent shop.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on February 07, 2023, 08:24:46 AM
..... I have suspicion that some shops take the cash and never crack a valve cover.....

Given that they are paid (and we charged) the same whether the check is actually done or not, I suspect this is often the case.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on February 07, 2023, 08:30:09 AM
Shame you folks have such horrible dealership experiences.  Gotta say I've never been exposed to that sort of treatment.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on February 07, 2023, 08:56:13 AM
dunno about that , particularly the first service.  I have suspicion that some shops take the cash and never crack a valve cover.  When you read roums, half the riders say the valves were all still in spec and then the others say they need 4 shims..........jus doesn't add up to me.  My Duc was the first bike I've owned that requires shims (16).  It needed 4 on first adjust, took it to an independent shop.

Last couple of Aprilia checks I have done on my bike it hasn't needed anything valve train wise at least. The much shorter actuation length means a lot less material and mechanical points for movement.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 07, 2023, 09:33:39 AM
My point about all this is just the traffic I've read on several forums.  So far as valve adjustments, it seems that half the folks report zero and the other half need a number of them (more than one or two).  Perhaps I have a suspicious mind?  But how would anyone know?

I'm just posing a question.  Like everyone else, I've had ups and downs with service guys over 50 years of riding.  When I find a good service tech, I like to keep him.  I know that dealers go through lots of techs and the consumer usually only talks to the service writer.

So far as a new bikes and dealers:

1) when accepting a bike at a dealer, have them set the suspension sag for you while sitting on the bike on a shopstand.  Do a test tide and bring it back to them if necessary.

2)  purchasing a new bike under warranty, it's usually a good idea to have them perform the maintenance during the warranty period.  It makes the dealer happy and protects for warranty claims.

3) after the warranty period, go your trusted independent tech. Usually the valve adjustment interval is out of the warranty period unless you ride a lot.  Even out of the warranty period, it's good to keep the receipts of work done.  For self service, I like to take photo with my phone of the mileage and oil cans and filter.  You never know, if you have a problem that you might have 1% chance of "good will".
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on February 07, 2023, 03:23:24 PM

.... purchasing a new bike under warranty, it's usually a good idea to have them perform the maintenance during the warranty period.  It makes the dealer happy and protects for warranty claims.
....after the warranty period, go your trusted independent tech. Usually the valve adjustment interval is out of the warranty period unless you ride a lot.


Maintenance ? As in oil changes, brake function check, lever and side stand check and lube, etc.? Anymore this is essentially what services consist of for the first couple years. Personally when I get a new bike I pick up a couple oil filters at the time and hope to never have to visit the service department during warranty, anytime actually.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 07, 2023, 05:07:40 PM
Maintenance ? As in oil changes, brake function check, lever and side stand check and lube, etc.? Anymore this is essentially what services consist of for the first couple years. Personally when I get a new bike I pick up a couple oil filters at the time and hope to never have to visit the service department during warranty, anytime actually.

Yes.  And I change the oil on my Duc twice as often as required. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on February 07, 2023, 07:45:37 PM
While under warranty, you do or don't change your oil?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 07, 2023, 08:13:21 PM
yes Cliff.  I change it, take a photo.  (I bought used, still in warranty)  I've only purchased one new motorcycle in 50 years.  There's another story why I prefer a good used bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on February 08, 2023, 06:54:14 PM
Here's a follow up Cycle World video on the Mandello https://youtu.be/xeCI1hLFvX0 (https://youtu.be/xeCI1hLFvX0)

Didn't see it posted but apologies if someone already did so...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 08, 2023, 07:22:23 PM
Here's a follow up Cycle World video on the Mandello https://youtu.be/xeCI1hLFvX0 (https://youtu.be/xeCI1hLFvX0)

Didn't see it posted but apologies if someone already did so...
Looks and sounds fantastic, would like a ride on one…
The only thing that will really not work for you guys in the ‘States, is the fairing screen is too low. There’ll be guys bolting all sorts of barn doors to the front once the gloss of new ownership wears off.
But whoever gets their butt into gear and churns out a higher screen, will make a LOT of money in the Land of the Free.
Interested to try one.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on February 09, 2023, 06:09:26 AM
Went to see one at SP in Exeter - they had the "posh" one in green and grey and the white one. Loved the white one and the quality of the finish looked amazing, such a classy looking machine. Apart from the price, the only drawbacks to me coming from a B750 would be the seat height and the weight. Seat is 815mm and there is an 800mm option. At present there are no demos to sit on - but they have sold 6 already. When they have a demo I will try it for height.

PS- I dreamed Jill bought the bike for me! Is it an omen, or a portent?  :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 09, 2023, 06:50:30 AM
Was just watching this video. https://youtu.be/1UAqDipHKm4
At 1:20 he gives it a bit of a blip on the stand in neutral and I was surprised after so many people told me the “contra rotating clutch would cancel out torque reaction”, it (predictably) does nothing of the damn sort.
It tilts in the opposite direction as you’d expect, but tilt it most definitely does.
Just sayin’.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pescatore on February 09, 2023, 07:14:33 AM
I noticed the same, Huzo.
I thought maybe the effect is diminished with the rider on.
I think you'd have to ride it and compare to your V85TT.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on February 09, 2023, 08:20:15 AM
Seriously.  Not being a wise guy.  Who cares about the "tilt"?  I know WE don't, but every stupid "reviewer and internet expert" has to mention it like it's a big deal.
That Lamb Chop guy was 100% annoying and the stream of consciousness comments while riding-give it a rest, buddy.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: MattP on February 09, 2023, 02:06:18 PM
pretty sure you could pull the valve coves in less than 20 min  I  also don,t think any body on this sight would have a problem operating a feeler gage either then you,d know but I would do this reguardles before and after.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 09, 2023, 02:29:18 PM
Seriously.  Not being a wise guy.  Who cares about the "tilt"?  I know WE don't, but every stupid "reviewer and internet expert" has to mention it like it's a big deal.
That Lamb Chop guy was 100% annoying and the stream of consciousness comments while riding-give it a rest, buddy.
I’d feel cheated if it didn’t rock with throttle King.
Only reason I took notice was to see if I was full of crap when I maintained against stern opposition, that rotating the clutch the other way would not cancel the tilt.
Was nice to witness… :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on February 09, 2023, 02:31:31 PM
Yes, the crankshaft will have a lot more rotating mass than the clutch assembly. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 09, 2023, 02:44:59 PM
I noticed the same, Huzo.
I thought maybe the effect is diminished with the rider on.
I think you'd have to ride it and compare to your V85TT.
I think it would feel like my V85 with one and a half engines.
That rear mount for the side cases was a bit of a thing, have to do something about that…
I’d like a red one with the Ohlins options, wire wheels with polished rims, analogue gauges, slightly taller clear screen, a “cleaner” rear end, lower seat and no RBW.
If you can find one, have it washed and brought to my tent…
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on February 09, 2023, 11:17:55 PM
Gotcha, bud.  I figured that.  Was more a comment on so many a**clown "reviews" that think they're so darned cleaver.  Here's a news flash.  They're machines.  They move. Next............... ................
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 10, 2023, 06:51:22 AM
Yes, the crankshaft will have a lot more rotating mass than the clutch assembly.
Often times gyroscopic effect is confused with torque reaction.
Gyro effect is a function of mass and rpm and that is a different discussion. Torque reaction is a function of the mass of the flywheel and clutch assembly combined and their reluctance (if you will) to want to spin up under the cranking motion of the con rods.
It is EXACTLY the same as when your drill bit jams and the drill tries to spin around the bit.
It is true that the more mass the flywheel/crank/clutch has, the more torque reaction will be felt. If the flywheel weighed say 200 kg, the bike would throw itself on it’s side if you gave it a gut full.
The relatively different masses of the flywheel and clutch are not part of the discussion, it is the TOTAL mass that defines the TOTAL inertia and that is what causes the crankcase to try to rotate around the crankshaft and this is what you feel as “torque reaction…”.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on February 10, 2023, 04:55:48 PM

But whoever gets their butt into gear and churns out a higher screen, will make a LOT of money in the Land of the Free.
Interested to try one.

I'm sure on of the youtube reviewers has said that is as simple as ticking an option box in similar way three seat heights are available.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Peter949 on February 12, 2023, 10:07:17 AM
It was nice to read on the Facebook V100 group that this new model has a 4.9 liter oil capacity. However this oil is now shared with both the engine and transmission.


(https://i.ibb.co/VmsXRpd/V100-Mand-Aviaziane-Navale-Gallery-1920x1080-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VmsXRpd)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on February 12, 2023, 10:44:09 AM
I was chatting with Jim Hamlin from Hamlin Cycles yesterday.  One topic was service for the new bike.  They just completed factory service training.  Recommended by factory is cam removal every 15K for check/adjustment.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on February 13, 2023, 08:02:16 PM
I was chatting with Jim Hamlin from Hamlin Cycles yesterday.  One topic was service for the new bike.  They just completed factory service training.  Recommended by factory is cam removal every 15K for check/adjustment.

That answers that. I imagine that the check is cams in, but as many suspected shim adjustment is cams out. Question remains when they will/may need shim adjustments.  Not saying this is a total game changer, but does impact my decision making for potential future wallet draining activity......
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: HarveyMushman on February 15, 2023, 06:40:19 PM
I don't understand the angst about cams-out shim adjustments.  Yes, it's more involved than the old screw adjuster process. But only by a small margin, and the work area is just as conveniently presented as ever. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on February 15, 2023, 07:04:04 PM
Many of the threads seem to be looking for a specific response, however if you just click on Reply it allows you to type anything in response, anything is better than nothing I reckon
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on February 15, 2023, 08:09:06 PM
I don't understand the angst about cams-out shim adjustments.  Yes, it's more involved than the old screw adjuster process. But only by a small margin, and the work area is just as conveniently presented as ever.

So I hear you saying when I retire and am back in VA I can drop my V100 at your place for shims? :evil: 

Can't speak for anyone else, and I am a pretty decent wrench but I just hate OHC valvetrain work. I've done it on my XS11, FJR1300 and BMW M3 without catastropic (or any) failures. I'm sure there are timing marks for the cams and crank and ability to lock the tensioners back, but doing all this for two banks is too much of a PITA for me these days. Truly spoiled by the screw and nut adjusters on my Guzzi's and Porsche.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: HarveyMushman on February 16, 2023, 07:17:25 AM
So I hear you saying when I retire and am back in VA I can drop my V100 at your place for shims? :evil: 

Sure, man, but shop policy is to perform extensive post-service evaluation rides.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on February 16, 2023, 08:47:48 AM
I looked at the shop manual and it doesn’t look that complicated, but you will need the special tool to lock the sprockets. With the adjustment period every 15,000 miles I can see having to review the manual for the first few adjustments.

(https://i.ibb.co/jbSKzzZ/C904-D207-80-C4-4-DF0-82-D9-329-AA088-F722.jpg)



Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Madtownguzzi on February 16, 2023, 06:57:58 PM
Nice review out of Germany on the 2023 Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJE3-Rib59Q&t=193s
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 17, 2023, 02:07:44 AM
I would be disconnecting those deflector things.
If I watch that video one more time, I just know I’m going to make an off colour comment.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on February 17, 2023, 08:33:06 AM
I looked at the shop manual and it doesn’t look that complicated, but you will need the special tool to lock the sprockets.

That has a 3d printer project stamped all over it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on February 17, 2023, 09:26:32 AM
I looked at the shop manual and it doesn’t look that complicated, but you will need the special tool to lock the sprockets.

"That has a 3d printer project stamped all over it."

Yes it does, especially if the cost for the special tool is an issue.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 18, 2023, 05:07:56 PM
I looked at the shop manual and it doesn’t look that complicated, but you will need the special tool to lock the sprockets.

"That has a 3d printer project stamped all over it."

Yes it does, especially if the cost for the special tool is an issue.

I'm guessing there are no slots to thread in some baling wire?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on February 18, 2023, 05:52:33 PM
16 penny nail.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on February 18, 2023, 07:03:20 PM
I have a Honda with the bucket and shim set up. It is like a Guzzi but a V-4 instead of twin. At 104K miles, I pulled the valve covers to check the valves. Turn the motor over to get the valve in position. Check the clearance. Move to next valve.  All 8 were still in spec. as  from the factory. Is that because it's a Honda? Yes, if one needs adjusting, the cam must come out. It's really not that big of a deal.

It is a little bit more than the old screw adjuster process. But not much.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on February 19, 2023, 08:03:25 AM
I just check the valves on my 2010 650 VStrom (all within spec at 18K) I wish they where that easy to get to. On the GS850 and XT350 I had, if you had to replace a shim just used a special tool ,on the GS I think I used a screw driver to compress the bucket and remove the shim pretty easy no cam to remove. But if you have to remove cam its not hard just take your time and make sure the marks line up when putting back together.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: spmoto on February 19, 2023, 11:35:30 AM
Has anyone here actually ridden off the dealer's lot with one of these yet???
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: mechanicsavant on February 19, 2023, 12:27:15 PM
It has been my experience w/shim over or under bucket that once everything is settled in , valve clearances hardly vary at all . This is based on a number of Asian & European OHC engines . That’s not to say there won’t be a few “anomalies “ out there , but there is a boatload of experience out there . I am kinda wondering why they didn’t use a finger follower type arrangement either with hydraulic, or mechanical adjusters . Cost , maybe? Simplicity?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 19, 2023, 12:31:42 PM
Has anyone here actually ridden off the dealer's lot with one of these yet???
Could be wrong, but I reckon if anybody had one, it might have come up in conversation.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on February 19, 2023, 02:13:37 PM
Has anyone here actually ridden off the dealer's lot with one of these yet???

There is a FB page with lots of V100 owner reports:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/806090596735870/?hoisted_section_hea der_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=1124287031582890
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: dguzzi on February 19, 2023, 02:31:22 PM
Could be wrong, but I reckon if anybody had one, it might have come up in conversation.
  They have a poor track record  (See Hydro problems)  Also the Griso issues leading to rollers.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 19, 2023, 03:34:02 PM
  They have a poor track record  (See Hydro problems)  Also the Griso issues leading to rollers.
I don’t understand what you mean.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on February 19, 2023, 05:55:34 PM
It means they could be junk, and what electrics won't work, dash etc.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 19, 2023, 09:57:49 PM
I don’t understand what you mean.

yes you do   :evil:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 19, 2023, 11:40:12 PM
yes you do   :evil:
I take your point LR, but it was a bit obscure.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on February 20, 2023, 05:51:19 AM
https://www.saferiders.it/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-review/?fbclid=IwAR2EGqKNX67i8flPKWP49pdP0JEVJnI19VukKQck0yQu1jBKrRzlMQoBg6s
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on February 20, 2023, 06:28:54 AM
From what I’ve read there is a problem with a coolant line on some bikes. A few owners have shown pictures of minor leakage from the same hose clamp. And a couple have reported rattling windshield armatures which were easily tightened.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 20, 2023, 09:02:50 AM
Lots of people have ridden off the lot, just not yet in North America.

Or perhaps some have, but they don’t like the incessant complaining so prevalent here?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on February 20, 2023, 09:15:14 AM
Well, that was certainly a well written and thought out piece on the new bike.
One of the very best reviews I've ever read about any motorcycle.  Thoughtful intelligent discussion with an historical backdrop.  Very entertaining to say the least.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on February 20, 2023, 10:35:08 AM
Well, that was certainly a well written and thought out piece on the new bike.
One of the very best reviews I've ever read about any motorcycle.  Thoughtful intelligent discussion with an historical backdrop.  Very entertaining to say the least.

I will second that. This is a really well written and concise review of not only the V100 but of Moto Guzzi as a whole.

Skippy

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 20, 2023, 11:30:20 AM
Or perhaps some have, but they don’t like the incessant complaining so prevalent here?
Don’t be too hard on yourself Chad, you’re not that bad.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on February 20, 2023, 11:50:41 AM
I will second that. This is a really well written and concise review of not only the V100 but of Moto Guzzi as a whole.

Skippy

Thirded.  I found his description of the cruise control rather amusing.  A little weird that the CC doesn't shut off with light clutch actuation.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on February 20, 2023, 12:16:04 PM
Plenty riding around on them in the UK. Through the UK Guzzi group I'm getting quite regular updates from a few. All rather happy with their purchase so far.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Matteo on February 20, 2023, 04:16:52 PM
Can't tell if this was already posted,
https://www.saferiders.it/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-review/?fbclid=IwAR1jVu7KIR36rGwcHEBSaPUoScrWAfDQ4jPuuPmp8cweknULRM-4OZJQZqk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintagehoarder on February 21, 2023, 06:26:46 AM
Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on February 21, 2023, 06:43:36 AM
I don’t recall anyone responding to this earlier so I’ll ask once more, for those of you who have put orders in already, were you given any idea what the otd pricing will be on the standard?  The S? 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 21, 2023, 10:15:45 AM
I don’t recall anyone responding to this earlier so I’ll ask once more, for those of you who have put orders in already, were you given any idea what the otd pricing will be on the standard?  The S?

US MSRPs are on the Guzzi website, $15490 for the base model, $17490 for the S. Obviously sales tax and other charges are state and dealer specific, in my area I’ve found 10% total is a good rule of thumb, but that means little to somebody in a different area.

That aside the more I look at the bike, reading the very comprehensive report from Italy posted earlier, the more I see it as an Aprilia design with a Guzzi badge. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on February 21, 2023, 12:01:11 PM
  I see it as an Aprilia design with a Guzzi badge.

Piaggio, but yeah...  We all knew that, didn't we?  Guzzi's design has been in Pontedera for years, now.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 21, 2023, 12:09:31 PM
The drivelines are designed in Pontedera, the bikes themselves are designed by Aprilia in Noale.

The V85TT seemed to indicate a change in Piaggio philosophy in which Guzzi designs would better reflect what Guzzi is all about, and be less like the Japanese/scooter influenced designs that Aprilia sells. The V100 engine and driveline seem to me to match that direction, but the rest of the bike does not.  Squint and you see an older Tuono, complete with funny color choices IMHO.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 21, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Guzzi had "funny color choices" even before Aprilia.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on February 21, 2023, 12:29:37 PM
  "I see it as an Aprilia design with a Guzzi badge.

Piaggio, but yeah...  We all knew that, didn't we?  Guzzi's design has been in Pontedera for years, now."

Personally, I don't have a problem with the influence as long as it makes the bikes less problematic. And let's face it, the Piaggio scooters etc.,etc. are keeping the company in the black, so you can't blame them for wanting to consolidate similar manufacturing components between Aprilia and MG.
 
"Guzzi had "funny color choices" even before Aprilia."

Those hotdog and mustard bikes come to mind.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 21, 2023, 01:00:48 PM
Personally, I don't have a problem with the influence as long as it makes the bikes less problematic. And let's face it, the Piaggio scooters etc.,etc. are keeping the company in the black, so you can't blame them for wanting to consolidate similar manufacturing components between Aprilia and MG.

I don't know you mean by "consolidate similar manufacturing components" but regardless the V85TT despite being a Aprilia design has only a limited amount of Aprilia-esque design features, although the footpeg hangers and sidestand do come to mind, has been notably successful in sales volume and is reliable.  There are some things I don't like about mine but it doesn't scream Aprilia and that's a good thing.  I think the reason its sold so well is exactly because it comes across as a Guzzi.

Why they stepped back I have no idea.  The first thing I'd do if I were to buy a V100 is strip the tacky gold paint off the valve covers, an easy way to remove something that's in your face.  Unfortunately there's not much one could do with the fairing, so I'd probably get a white painted one as it makes the form of the fairing go away a bit.  Black might be even better, like this one:


(https://i.ibb.co/kKtGW77/9316-F2-FD-A253-4-E2-F-AB23-DE4-A7-AF2-E81-B.webp) (https://ibb.co/kKtGW77)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: DougG on February 21, 2023, 01:34:54 PM
Thanks Matteo,                                                                                2-21-23

ME LIKES!  I have 750 lb. bikes (Cali 1400's)...it might be time to get a 550 lb. bike   :wink:
Thanks for the post.

Be well, stay well,
DougG
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on February 21, 2023, 04:10:01 PM
I don't know you mean by "consolidate similar manufacturing components" but regardless the V85TT despite being a Aprilia design has only a limited amount of Aprilia-esque design features, although the footpeg hangers and sidestand do come to mind, has been notably successful in sales volume and is reliable.  There are some things I don't like about mine but it doesn't scream Aprilia and that's a good thing.  I think the reason its sold so well is exactly because it comes across as a Guzzi.

Why they stepped back I have no idea.  The first thing I'd do if I were to buy a V100 is strip the tacky gold paint off the valve covers, an easy way to remove something that's in your face.  Unfortunately there's not much one could do with the fairing, so I'd probably get a white painted one as it makes the form of the fairing go away a bit.  Black might be even better, like this one:


(https://i.ibb.co/kKtGW77/9316-F2-FD-A253-4-E2-F-AB23-DE4-A7-AF2-E81-B.webp) (https://ibb.co/kKtGW77)


Maybe I could have worded that differently but what I mean is that the more engine/transmission etc. parts are shared, the more economical it is to make the bikes. Similar to Ford/Mercury, General Motors, Nissan/Acura, Audi/Volkswagen,etc.,etc..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on February 21, 2023, 04:50:53 PM
I am really looking forward to seeing this bike in the flesh and can't wait to ride it. I am not buying into the argument that it isn't "Guzzi like" or "Guzzi enough" to be a Moto Guzzi. This is exactly what Moto Guzzi should have produced now if not ten years ago. Is this any less of a Guzzi as the fabled VA10 motor the factory was contemplating twenty some odd years ago? Do any of you know what that was? It was a strictly in house, Mandello design. The V100 hits the mark even better than that. The innovation packed into this bike is remarkable. The access to the clutch alone should be a point of celebration. Overhead cams! Awesome! All of the bemoaning that this bike isn't Guzzi enough is nonsense. This bike represents a well thought design that will carry the brand on for quite some time to come. When Piaggio set out to work on this they did so with a great reverence for what Moto Guzzi represents to the national pride of Italy and with respect of how it is to be received by the faithful Guzzista the world over. I say it is a well-executed design and I can't wait to get mine.

Skippy
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 21, 2023, 04:52:39 PM
If they don’t get seat heights a bit lower, they will lose a LOT of potential sales. Or at least make it relatively easy to get factory components to lower it slightly.
800 mm should be the target figure, Joe Average will not want to drop that sort of money on something that he (or she) is concerned about dumping on it’s side in less than ideal conditions.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on February 21, 2023, 05:13:16 PM
motorcycle.com reports that three seats are available-low is 31 inch, standard at 32.1, and high at 32.9 inch.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 21, 2023, 05:34:04 PM
motorcycle.com reports that three seats are available-low is 31 inch, standard at 32.1, and high at 32.9 inch.

Very similar to perhaps it's closest comp, the bmw 1250rs, only the Guzzi seat is a couple mm less!   The low seat option puts you at 787MM, will that work for you Huzo? :afro:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on February 21, 2023, 05:38:22 PM
I am really looking forward to seeing this bike in the flesh and can't wait to ride it. I am not buying into the argument that it isn't "Guzzi like" or "Guzzi enough" to be a Moto Guzzi. This is exactly what Moto Guzzi should have produced now if not ten years ago. Is this any less of a Guzzi as the fabled VA10 motor the factory was contemplating twenty some odd years ago? Do any of you know what that was? It was a strictly in house, Mandello design. The V100 hits the mark even better than that. The innovation packed into this bike is remarkable. The access to the clutch alone should be a point of celebration. Overhead cams! Awesome! All of the bemoaning that this bike isn't Guzzi enough is nonsense. This bike represents a well thought design that will carry the brand on for quite some time to come. When Piaggio set out to work on this they did so with a great reverence for what Moto Guzzi represents to the national pride of Italy and with respect of how it is to be received by the faithful Guzzista the world over. I say it is a well-executed design and I can't wait to get mine.

Skippy

I agree 100 %. well said Skippy
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 21, 2023, 05:51:07 PM
I am really looking forward to seeing this bike in the flesh and can't wait to ride it. I am not buying into the argument that it isn't "Guzzi like" or "Guzzi enough" to be a Moto Guzzi. This is exactly what Moto Guzzi should have produced now if not ten years ago. Is this any less of a Guzzi as the fabled VA10 motor the factory was contemplating twenty some odd years ago? Do any of you know what that was? It was a strictly in house, Mandello design. The V100 hits the mark even better than that. The innovation packed into this bike is remarkable. The access to the clutch alone should be a point of celebration. Overhead cams! Awesome! All of the bemoaning that this bike isn't Guzzi enough is nonsense. This bike represents a well thought design that will carry the brand on for quite some time to come. When Piaggio set out to work on this they did so with a great reverence for what Moto Guzzi represents to the national pride of Italy and with respect of how it is to be received by the faithful Guzzista the world over. I say it is a well-executed design and I can't wait to get mine.

I certainly wouldn’t (and didn’t) dispute any of that in relation to the design of the drivetrain, they did a good job on the engine and the long swing arm concept seems to work well with current short gearboxes.  Simpler than previous BMW or Guzzi efforts and on this bike (unlike the 60.2 inch wheel base V85TT) they didn't have compromise with a bevel drive Ducati-like overall length for the swing arm to be long enough to counter shaft jacking.

The V100 engine was BTW designed some time ago, but shelved until now.  Federico Martini started work on the engine sometime about 15 years ago, maybe a little less, and died in 2014.  And yes of course we remember the VA10 (I’ve been riding Guzzi sport bikes since 1987) and I also remember that it vibrated like the hammers of hell and was reportedly scrapped for that reason.  Just like the Piaggio 8V big block was a redo of the Centauro (née Daytona) engine for the Griso, the V100 engine is a much more extensive Piaggio redo of Guzzi’s VA10 effort, because the VA10 didn’t work.

My issue with the V100 is that it’s a bit ugly, both in overall shape and in its details, and doesn’t look at all Italian. It has that in common with most Aprilia chassis and bodywork designs and it has nothing to do with the drivetrain. It's none the less disappointing to me because they somehow forced themselves to do much better on the V85TT.

I guess it could have been worse, at least it doesn’t look like a KTM (KTM almost bought Guzzi instead of Aprilia in 2000)

PS the plural of Guzzista is Guzzisti
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on February 22, 2023, 05:45:05 AM
The drivelines are designed in Pontedera, the bikes themselves are designed by Aprilia in Noale.

The V85TT seemed to indicate a change in Piaggio philosophy in which Guzzi designs would better reflect what Guzzi is all about, and be less like the Japanese/scooter influenced designs that Aprilia sells. The V100 engine and driveline seem to me to match that direction, but the rest of the bike does not.  Squint and you see an older Tuono, complete with funny color choices IMHO.

Appearance is entirely subjective.  But yes, I agree with you on that subjective point.  I think the V100 is a pretty bike but is it gorgeous like a Griso?  Classic like other models?  I suppose many/some will view this as progress perhaps and I have read heaping helping bunch of praises in the press about its “modern” design as opposed to Guzzi’s typical retro fair.  Hope Guzzi sells a ton of them so they can go and then stick that engine in something else  :grin: :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on February 22, 2023, 07:40:58 AM
My thoughts are that Guzzi is getting more serious about conquest sales.  In automotive circles, Guzzi's have always been the Saab's of the motorcycle realm.  There are 2 types of quirky: quirky fun and quirky just plain weird.  The Saab 900 had and still has their ardent followers that are as passionate about their cars as we are about our bikes, but to the mainstream, both car and bike are considered quirky.  Saab can provide us with a cautionary tale.  In the 80s-90s Saab brought out their 9000 series of cars.  These were much more mainstream (kept a few of the less weird quirks) than the iconic 900 series had been.  At the time, they aimed those cars right at the Germans.  For a while, it worked somewhat well as their miniscule market share ticked up a little.  Eventually, problems of scale forced them out of the market. 
Guzzi will still offer the air-cooled versions for the purists, but as with the Saab 9000, this new bike may be aimed at a different audience, also the Germans and this time the Japanese too. 
I am excited about seeing the new bike though I don't think it will be for me at this point.  May Guzzi have a better fate than Saab. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on February 22, 2023, 08:54:55 AM
Out of all of them I preferred my 96 a great deal over the subsequent models.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 2WheelsUp on February 22, 2023, 10:51:31 AM
All nitpicking aside, I think MG did what it had to in order to stay alive and relevant. There are always things that could be done better but overall, it's an amazing leap forward that provides a path for years to come. It's going to be difficult to sell/support the V100 given the current state of their dealership network, at least in the US. At this point my interests lie more in vintage motorcycles, and I don't think I'll ever buy another new bike. That might change once I see and ride the V100, probably because I've ridden MGs forever and am loyal to the brand for all the reasons all of us are. However, attracting new MG riders away from competing manufacturers will be a huge challenge but at least there's some hope. The V100 is a very good development, I'm excited to ride one.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on February 22, 2023, 12:34:54 PM
If you have not seen one in the flesh, you may be surprised. Looks 10 x better in real life. To me the transverse engine says "GUZZI" loud and proud right out the front.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ed / AF1 Racing on February 22, 2023, 03:04:57 PM
Got invoiced for a bunch of V100s yesterday, they are in the US warehouse now.  We just now have to wait on the shippers....been taking 2-4 weeks

All our pre-orders except one very late buyer, and all the Aviation Navales (coming summer) will get theirs on this first batch from us.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on February 22, 2023, 03:39:12 PM
Guzzi had beautiful color choices even before Aprilia.

Fixed that for you.    :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 22, 2023, 03:47:51 PM
Very similar to perhaps it's closest comp, the bmw 1250rs, only the Guzzi seat is a couple mm less!   The low seat option puts you at 787MM, will that work for you Huzo? :afro:
That sounds good, yes.
But I’m not getting one.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 22, 2023, 06:03:30 PM
Huzo,  it's a pretty safe bet that you will have one within 2 years.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on February 22, 2023, 09:15:29 PM
Got invoiced for a bunch of V100s yesterday, they are in the US warehouse now.  We just now have to wait on the shippers....been taking 2-4 weeks

All our pre-orders except one very late buyer, and all the Aviation Navales (coming summer) will get theirs on this first batch from us.
Thank you for the update!  That sounds great-  I hope we hear back soon from the lucky buyers.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on February 22, 2023, 09:17:18 PM
The first thing I'd do if I were to buy a V100 is strip the tacky gold paint off the valve covers,

Hold up....is that paint on the valve covers or are they magnesium alloy?  Honest question- I thought they were alloy.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 22, 2023, 09:55:43 PM
If you’re thinking the V100 valve covers are gold because they are magnesium that’s been treated with e.g. Dow 7 (which would make them gold like a Halibrand mag wheel) that’s unlikely.  Whatever they’re made of I’m pretty confident they will be coated with paint in the gold color the stylist preferred, for corrosion resistance.  I think silver or crinkle black would have been better myself, but to each his own.  The wheels do look pretty good in gold.


(https://i.ibb.co/0VM3k7T/F26-DF219-4-AFD-4123-B050-D41-B05-EEC307.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0VM3k7T)


I’d imagine the valve covers are gold for the same reason the frame on this 21 year old Aprilia Tuono is gold, Cycle World liked the way the tall bars worked but described the styling on that one as “carbon-fiber car crash”.  Twenty one years on and I think you can still see a theme.


(https://i.ibb.co/Z83p5GV/DA073620-CA00-4-E36-99-F3-371-BFE32311-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z83p5GV)


Another Michelangelo moment from Aprilia was the seat cover on the Aprilia-‘updated’ 2002-2005 V11 Sport being painted a color dramatically contrasting with the adjoining bodywork, where pre-Aprilia Guzzi had carefully designed the two part assembly to make it look like one piece.  Scooter kids…  :rolleyes:  They’ve made a little progress since then, the V85TT has me hoping, but they apparently still have some distance to go  :laugh:







Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on February 22, 2023, 10:16:30 PM
That would be disappointing.  In my (so far imaginary) ownership, I would have something like that re-painted/powdercoated. 
I have not seen this point definitively addressed yet, so I withhold any judgement. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 23, 2023, 05:37:39 AM
Huzo,  it's a pretty safe bet that you will have one within 2 years.
Therefore Chad, you’ll have no reluctance in wagering USD 10,000 at 10,000:1
If I get one, I owe you $10,000
If I don’t, you owe me $1.00
Wanna’ play…? :popcorn:
After all..It’s a “pretty safe bet…”  :wink:
Let’s see now, I’ll set my alarm for 10:36 pm on Feb 23 2025….(tick…tick…tick…).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on February 23, 2023, 07:49:37 AM
To my Eye Palate, I think the Mandello would look much better with a black motor and trans/swingarm. The Gold Valve Covers make sense with the Gold Rims on the Base Red, but not with other color combos. Over time, the silver gets stained and is harder to keep looking pristine (if that matters to you).

My 07 Griso has a very interesting bronzish color on the swingarm and CARC that I wished translated to the engine and valve covers. But I like uniformity.

As for those who think this is NOT "Guzzi" enough, I'm wondering what else on the market is 'more' Guzzi? I think this is a perfect modern evolution of the Marque, if 5 years late. There is obviously a ton of 'parts bin' happening with Aprilia/Piaggio but it is what it is, and I think they did a great job overall. Will be interesting to see what they do with the Stelvio and possible other derivatives.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phil/TX on February 23, 2023, 08:57:22 AM
Sure hope I’m not the late order ,as I ordered in October. :violent1:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 23, 2023, 09:17:13 AM
As for those who think this is NOT "Guzzi" enough, I'm wondering what else on the market is 'more' Guzzi? I think this is a perfect modern evolution of the Marque, if 5 years late.

The V85TT, as mentioned several times.

The V100 looks like a very good mechanical design spoiled to a degree by Japanese/Aprilia styling, particularly the fairing and headlight which are really quite ugly and inappropriate to my eye.  The bike is good but not ‘perfect’,  I think it could be better.

Guzzi’s industrial design ‘thing’ is, or should be, good taste.  The issue there is not parts bin engineering affecting the V100 because I’m not aware of any shared parts. The issue is sharing designers with Aprilia, which at its core is a scooter manufacturer selling to adolescent tastes. 

That is not to say that the V100 is less atttactive than its competitors from BMW, KTM, Ducati etc.  In 2023 those are generally visually horrific and I think the V100 is well above average.  But I think the standards for a Guzzi should be much higher.  I don’t buy those bikes and I do buy Guzzis for a reason.

It would be interesting to know if the V85TT and this one were designed/styled by the same people, or not.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 23, 2023, 11:45:15 AM
Just a gentlemen's bet dear Huzo no money need be placed.   I'll be paid enough when you inevitably announce your new procurement. :azn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 23, 2023, 02:04:02 PM
Just a gentlemen's bet dear Huzo no money need be placed.   I'll be paid enough when you inevitably announce your new procurement. :azn:
No Chad, not for me and at what point will you concede that you were mistaken ?

I would however like to get my Norge to 300,000 k just for fun. There’s some intangible quality that I seem to need these days regarding a bike, that was not always thus. If I look at the Norge, it looks to me like it’s “my bike”, the same with the V85. I know there are a couple of things with both that lend that particular appeal to me.
It is the “uniqueness” that I perceive in both bikes that I seem to be drawn to these days and I think the V100 for mine, does not possess it.
I have become comfortable in the world that my Norge provides for me and I just seem to have mis placed what used to be my wandering eye. To my way of thinking, the V100 has begun to “compete” with the bikes within it’s design brief and must now go head to head on the spec sheets.
It’s a strange notion I’ll admit, but my bike reminds me a lot of what I hope I am, not fantastic at any one thing but has forged a place in the masses where it seems to have found a comfortable niche’ and have no desire to change or be anyone else.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on February 23, 2023, 04:21:20 PM
The V85TT, as mentioned several times.

The V100 looks like a very good mechanical design spoiled to a degree by Japanese/Aprilia styling, particularly the fairing and headlight which are really quite ugly and inappropriate to my eye.  The bike is good but not ‘perfect’,  I think it could be better.

Guzzi’s industrial design ‘thing’ is, or should be, good taste.  The issue there is not parts bin engineering affecting the V100 because I’m not aware of any shared parts. The issue is sharing designers with Aprilia, which at its core is a scooter manufacturer selling to adolescent tastes. 

That is not to say that the V100 is less atttactive than its competitors from BMW, KTM, Ducati etc.  In 2023 those are generally visually horrific and I think the V100 is well above average.  But I think the standards for a Guzzi should be much higher.  I don’t buy those bikes and I do buy Guzzis for a reason.

It would be interesting to know if the V85TT and this one were designed/styled by the same people, or not.

V85? Well of course.... And V7 and V9 for that matter. But those are different (air-cooled) chassis and likely out going. This is a fresh page. To me it's as different to the other models as the CARC bikes were to the Tonti based bikes that preceded.
.
Its all in the eye, but the V100 does not have an insectoid face (Japanese) like most other offerings.

No parts bin on the drivetrain, but suspension, brakes, controls, dash/screen, switchgear, etc etc.... There's loads of it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on February 23, 2023, 04:25:28 PM
Reported today by a USA owner:


“We are happy to announce your Moto Guzzi V100  Mandello is just a couple of weeks from arriving at your selected  dealer, and you should be receiving confirmation from your dealer  representative shortly.
Once your dealer has confirmed your unit arrival, they will be in contact with you set a specific date on the vehicle pick up.
Thank you for your interest, and congratulations on your new Moto Guzzi.
If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to contact us.
Moto Guzzi USA”
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on February 23, 2023, 04:29:11 PM
Quote
I would however like to get my Norge to 300,000 k just for fun. There’s some intangible quality that I seem to need these days regarding a bike, that was not always thus. If I look at the Norge, it looks to me like it’s “my bike”, the same with the V85. I know there are a couple of things with both that lend that particular appeal to me.
It is the “uniqueness” that I perceive in both bikes that I seem to be drawn to these days and I think the V100 for mine, does not possess it.
I have become comfortable in the world that my Norge provides for me and I just seem to have mis placed what used to be my wandering eye. To my way of thinking, the V100 has begun to “compete” with the bikes within it’s design brief and must now go head to head on the spec sheets.
It’s a strange notion I’ll admit, but my bike reminds me a lot of what I hope I am, not fantastic at any one thing but has forged a place in the masses where it seems to have found a comfortable niche’ and have no desire to change or be anyone else.
I see this as a bike that could be anyone’s 

This quote pretty much defines my feelings for my "soulless" Honda. Mine is about the same red color even! Strangely, since it's even been said they are too plain Jane vanilla, I would like a white one! I've owned an ST1100 for over 20 years. After a few other bikes, (Guzzi, BMW F650, Suzuki, Yamaha, and a Valkyrie) I still go back to my ST. Now I find myself looking at the V100 wondering, will this be the one to move me?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 23, 2023, 05:33:30 PM
To me it's as different to the other models as the CARC bikes were to the Tonti based bikes that preceded.

Yes, and that's the potential problem.  The first CARC bikes (meaning 2005 Breva) were very ugly and had little Guzzi in them compared to what they replaced - meaning the V11 Sport based spine framed bikes mostly, not the cruisers.  Eventually the whole Aprilia designed BMW-replica range was discontinued and never directly replaced.  It did not take Guzzi anywhere.

The first step in getting Guzzi back on track after that misstep was the 2007 Griso (a Centauro re-do), then the little ersatz-V7 small blocks looked backwards and sold nostalgia + low cost to make some money and eventually the V85TT solidified this much better direction in a forward looking product, gathering lots of positive press and buyer enthusiasm as a result.  Better press than any other Guzzi since maybe 1998 when the EV made Cycle World's Ten Best. 

To me the V100 looks a bit like a repeat performance of 2005 although that's definitely an overstatement and the fix would (will?) take a lot less effort than the 2007-2019 saga because the 2023 engineering appears to have a lot of potential and the styling miscues are relatively minor.  I still would have hoped for better in terms of the overall Guzzi product, building better on the inertia of the V85TT versus looking like an innovative Guzzi driveline in a fairly generic Aprilia package.

Its all in the eye, but the V100 does not have an insectoid face (Japanese) like most other offerings.

All in the eye indeed, because I think the V100 fairing and headlight looks very much like that, perhaps not quite as bad but as mentioned I think the industrial design standard for a Guzzi needs to be higher.  It needs to be the best on the market, especially since virtually every other manufacturer is making really ugly bikes in 2023.  There's an opportunity out there, and the reception to the V85TT proved it.

No parts bin on the drivetrain, but suspension, brakes, controls, dash/screen, switchgear, etc etc.... There's loads of it.

Maybe so, it would be interesting to list the specific parts that are shared - I hadn't noticed that parts commonality with other Piaggio products.  But regardless the parts you mention would have no impact on the the overall design of the bike in the sense that I'm trying to convey.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 23, 2023, 06:27:51 PM
Ride on the autobahn.

https://youtube.com/shorts/OAEDj8X5RQo?feature=share

He does do a full review.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ScepticalScotty on February 24, 2023, 11:56:07 AM
I very much liked his review. He is a very "considered" reviewer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on February 24, 2023, 12:13:16 PM

No parts bin on the drivetrain, but suspension, brakes, controls, dash/screen, switchgear, etc etc.... There's loads of it.

Italian motorcycles have always used vendors for all those parts  Suspension, brakes, controls, switchgear.

Grimeca and Brembo brakes interchangeable with Ducati and others.  Marzocchi and Ohlins suspension used Ducati and others.  Campagnolo, Brembo, and Marchessini cast wheels used Ducati and others.  It goes on and on, since the 1970s, and is nothing new.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on February 24, 2023, 01:52:44 PM
I liked on the autobahn how well it moved up to and past 160 clicks. my v85 would have been much more deliberate attempting that pass.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 24, 2023, 02:56:01 PM
I guess that's what an additional 35 horsepower will do for you!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on February 24, 2023, 05:06:29 PM
yes, you can feel that in the seat of the pants. a few bikes back, i had a fast 4 cylinder bike with good aerodynamics and it could blow by a line like that as quick as you thought about it.  but, that was its best trick.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 24, 2023, 06:21:58 PM
Me as well.  I had a inline 4 liter bike, the acceleration was intoxicating!  And it was a first gen liter bike, i have no idea what a modern one feels like, but I know I don't want to own one!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bigtime on February 25, 2023, 09:49:04 AM
Me as well.  I had a inline 4 liter bike, the acceleration was intoxicating!  And it was a first gen liter bike, i have no idea what a modern one feels like, but I know I don't want to own one!
. Totally agree. Last fall a good friend asked me to Ride his 4 cylinder Kaw. to the dealership ( he having a lot of health issues. He didn't feel he had the strength to ride). The power and acceleration was amazing, but uninspiring. I was glad to be back on my Norge.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on February 25, 2023, 06:02:56 PM
yes, you can feel that in the seat of the pants. a few bikes back, i had a fast 4 cylinder bike with good aerodynamics and it could blow by a line like that as quick as you thought about it.  but, that was its best trick.

I rode IL4 bikes almost exclusively from 1983 till 2015. XS1100's, then a Concours, an FZ1, and an FJR 1300. probably 200K miles all tolled, tons of Iron Buts, cross country, etc. The power and sound was a standard I was addicted to until I wasn't. I had my FJR from 2007-2015, and barely rode it the last couple years. Unless riding at go to Jail or Cemetery Speeds, I found the bike so competent it was boring and without character. The FJR excelled at passing, overtaking and closing gaps. But it sucked my love of riding out of me. I discovered my first Guzzi in a 2007 Griso and was hooked and intoxicated. Added a Norge 3 months later. On my first 2 up ride with my wife her only comment was 'It is VERY slow" lol......

Not that my CARC big blocks are slow, they just make power differently, and FAR less severe than those liter plus IL4s.  To each his own...........
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on February 25, 2023, 07:18:14 PM
I rode IL4 bikes almost exclusively from 1983 till 2015. XS1100's, then a Concours, an FZ1, and an FJR 1300. probably 200K miles all tolled, tons of Iron Buts, cross country, etc. The power and sound was a standard I was addicted to until I wasn't. I had my FJR from 2007-2015, and barely rode it the last couple years. Unless riding at go to Jail or Cemetery Speeds, I found the bike so competent it was boring and without character. The FJR excelled at passing, overtaking and closing gaps. But it sucked my love of riding out of me. I discovered my first Guzzi in a 2007 Griso and was hooked and intoxicated. Added a Norge 3 months later. On my first 2 up ride with my wife her only comment was 'It is VERY slow" lol......

Not that my CARC big blocks are slow, they just make power differently, and FAR less severe than those liter plus IL4s.  To each his own...........
You might want to get your wife to jump on the front on her own and ask her to ride it as fast as it can go around a twisty mountain road with certain death drop offs like in the Tarn Valley in France..(Valley of the Gorges…).
More like the valley of the Norges…. :kiss: :thumb:
Anyway, I’m sure it won’t seem slow then….. :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on February 25, 2023, 08:27:14 PM
You might want to get your wife to jump on the front on her own and ask her to ride it as fast as it can go around a twisty mountain road with certain death drop offs like in the Tarn Valley in France..(Valley of the Gorges…).
More like the valley of the Norges…. :kiss: :thumb:
Anyway, I’m sure it won’t seem slow then….. :wink:

Working on that with my recent purchase of the Breva 750. Hoping she will take to riding herself. If not I have a fun little bike in the shed.

As for her sense of passing power, when riding as a pillion, the FJR was an absolute beast for passing power and she got used to that. None of my Moto Guzzi's are able to compare. Just a reality.

I have a 150 horsepower Porsche 912 and a 480 horsepower Mustang. There's no comparison  in power and speed of these cars but on any given day I would prefer to drive the Porsche over the Mustang without hesitation equivocation or question.

Besides.. what does a pillion know anyway? :-)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on February 25, 2023, 10:20:30 PM
Looks like top speed is 200.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PndNgP5zqVU
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on February 26, 2023, 01:55:46 AM
kms not miles right?

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on February 26, 2023, 07:09:30 AM
Me as well.  I had a inline 4 liter bike, the acceleration was intoxicating!  And it was a first gen liter bike, i have no idea what a modern one feels like, but I know I don't want to own one!

Yeah, I’ve owned several at least.  That’s the thing, I had to work it up to enjoy it and while I do like the sounds of triples and 4s I just don’t personally find them as rewarding for everyday riding.  They are also not good for my health as I often found myself taking them out just to find places where I could go fast and get to that enjoyable part of the motor (for me).  But I’ll say this, the Triumph triples are just plain fantastic motors I have a great amount of appreciation for but I still find them a bit soulless at the end of the day.   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Murray on February 28, 2023, 04:49:51 PM
Looks like top speed is 200.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PndNgP5zqVU

I doubt that, when my old !@#$heap 1100 sport can stagger up to 230, although much after 180 you need some time and space to wind it out and the last little bit takes forever.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on February 28, 2023, 05:12:37 PM
I'm sure it's over 200 kph/ 124mph, he just backed off.  I got 200kph on my B1100, and it's heavier, and down at least 30hp to the Mandelo.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on February 28, 2023, 05:22:57 PM
yeah, looked like there was more to go
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on February 28, 2023, 06:04:30 PM
I'm sure it's over 200 kph/ 124mph, he just backed off.  I got 200kph on my B1100, and it's heavier, and down at least 30hp to the Mandelo.

I agree, and that was NOT a road to spend much time at those speeds.

I had my Norge to 125 regularly and it had more in the tank, same for the 1200 Sport, but unless it is a clear day on an open road, usually superslab, I don't ride at those speeds. Too much sense these days.

I imagine the V100 would top at the 140 range
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on February 28, 2023, 06:21:18 PM
A Greek magazine dyno test says the V100 makes 100 RWHP, which is about the same as a stock '99 ST4 Ducati.  The bike is otherwise fairly similar in size and weight.  That bike does 150 mph or 240 kph, so that's what I'd expect from the V100. 

I also read its geared for 149 mph at redline in top gear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIR2qpw1Gtc


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LongRanger on March 01, 2023, 11:38:36 AM
Kinda irrelevant if you live and ride in the U.S.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ed / AF1 Racing on March 01, 2023, 01:23:53 PM
Rumor is the first V100 hit a US dealer today....it looks like we get all ours on Friday.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 01, 2023, 02:09:13 PM
Rumor is the first V100 hit a US dealer today....it looks like we get all ours on Friday.

Ed, are you guys going to do anything during MotoGP weekend?  Any chance to test ride V100?  Perhaps Piaggio might get involved?

BTW that new Tuono looks pretty nice since they finally dressed it up.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ed / AF1 Racing on March 01, 2023, 03:23:36 PM
Ed, are you guys going to do anything during MotoGP weekend?  Any chance to test ride V100?  Perhaps Piaggio might get involved?

BTW that new Tuono looks pretty nice since they finally dressed it up.

Yes, our big party is Friday night at Meanwhile Brewery, come out for that.   The shop is open normal Friday and Saturday.  I am unsure about any public MG demos and test rides. I know the Aprilia demo truck will be there since Monday is the aprilia track day.  They did v7/v85 MG demos last year, but will they have demo V100s in time? There will be some on display for sure.  I know one V100 press bike got sent our way.  We'll see, they are Team Last Minute on all that stuff.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ed / AF1 Racing on March 03, 2023, 12:40:51 PM
just had 10 of them arrive, #0003 was the lowest VIN


(https://i.ibb.co/vhYM1xB/330437214-1261903868077769-6380721597447283159-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vhYM1xB)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 03, 2023, 12:53:21 PM
Cool, best of luck with the sales.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 2WheelsUp on March 03, 2023, 12:55:36 PM
just had 10 of them arrive, #0003 was the lowest VIN


(https://i.ibb.co/vhYM1xB/330437214-1261903868077769-6380721597447283159-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vhYM1xB)

Very nice! I'm going to be in town for the race, will you have a V100 on display at your shop that week-end, or perhaps at the bar on Friday night?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on March 03, 2023, 02:50:18 PM
just had 10 of them arrive, #0003 was the lowest VIN


(https://i.ibb.co/vhYM1xB/330437214-1261903868077769-6380721597447283159-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vhYM1xB)


A friend of mine (Ben) will be picking his up from AF1...if it's a weekend pickup, I'll tag along to go see the new toys!  Can't wait to see one in person.  Some nice pics on AF1's Facebook page too.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 03, 2023, 04:58:31 PM
A friend of mine (Ben) will be picking his up from AF1...if it's a weekend pickup, I'll tag along to go see the new toys!  Can't wait to see one in person.  Some nice pics on AF1's Facebook page too.

it's my understanding the first deliveries are pre sold.  The dealer has to have a buyer or commit keeping the bike.

it would be nice if Guzzi would have a demo bike or two on GP weekend.  In fact, they had a booth at the GP one time with some late 1400 bikes a few years ago.  Since it's Guzzi, at best they're unpredictable but normally absent.   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sdcr on March 04, 2023, 06:49:38 AM
Looks like the east coast is getting into the action...

(https://i.ibb.co/Y8w8mcX/E8-B50-CCA-CA78-485-F-86-C6-4-BD6-E131839-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y8w8mcX)

upload photos (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on March 04, 2023, 11:00:06 AM
I think the odds of getting a ride on a demo are somewhere between slim and none, at least where I am.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 04, 2023, 12:35:07 PM
I just came back from a visit to Cadre in Cincinnati.  They are expecting their first bikes on Tuesday and he has 10 pre-sold.  I sure hope for the brand that this V100 is a hit on the order of magnitude of the V85.  I think there has been a net gain in dealerships since the V85 came on the scene so maybe a few more in the next few years as MG becomes better known in the collective riding consciousness.  It would be grand if every state had at least one dealer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 04, 2023, 01:45:56 PM
It would be useful if somebody who has one could check if the service reminder reset is a current-dealer only item, or whether Piaggio has since the V85TT realized that Guzzi owners resent being coerced.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: AJ Huff on March 07, 2023, 07:10:23 PM
I don't think this has been posted yet.

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/ (https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/)

-AJ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SLDMRossi on March 07, 2023, 07:38:44 PM
Thursday, March 30, 2023
6:00 PM -- 9:00 PM

V100 Mandello Unveiling Party...
Hamlin Cycles
44 Grassy Plain Street
Bethel, CT 06801

Like the Christmas Holiday gathering, bring your own food and beverage. And if there's nobody up front in the Showroom, it's because we're out back in the Shop.

Steven Rossi
Connecticut-Rhode Island MGNOC State Rep.
(248) 470-5788
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: twowheeladdict on March 07, 2023, 07:48:37 PM
 :thumb:

Have fun!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on March 07, 2023, 08:42:16 PM
Thanks for posting AJ!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 08, 2023, 06:14:44 AM
Cadre has a bunch of them now.  Unfortunately, we are going into one of our cold wave weeks here in the Tristate as Spring turns to Summer.  Normal process, bad timing if you want to test ride a bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 08, 2023, 08:27:18 AM
I don't think this has been posted yet.

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/ (https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/)

-AJ

That's a really nice article.

My faith in Guzzi may be restored!

Can't wait to start seeing ride reports getting posted here on WG.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Pescatore on March 08, 2023, 08:40:37 AM
I don't think this has been posted yet.

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/ (https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/)

-AJ

Finally an article that focuses on the engine design and not on shocks and adaptive wings.
Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: chuck peterson on March 08, 2023, 08:47:11 AM
 :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 08, 2023, 09:57:21 AM
I don't think this has been posted yet.

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/ (https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/)

-AJ

The new Guzzi engine seems to perform similar to my 937 Ducati engine.  One thing I picked up, is that the finger followers allow for more cam lift but need less cam timing overlap due to the lightweight valvetrain.  Overlap is bad for emissions and extended rpm range but great for top end.  By getting more valve lift you get the advantage of both. 

This explains why my Ducati is called an 11 degree engine due to mild overlap but still gets good power and redlines at 10k.  Of course the Duc has desmo valvetrain. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sdcr on March 08, 2023, 10:03:26 AM
I don't think this has been posted yet.

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/ (https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/)

-AJ

Good article, thanks.

I do hope that these important engine refinements, hold up well in real world use.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on March 08, 2023, 11:06:12 AM
I even like the touch of orange, ala Lemans.  It’s gonna be a HUGE seller.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 08, 2023, 11:42:46 AM
That’s a nice, old fashioned shop, looks like you could spend a lot of time there.
(https://i.ibb.co/HzVcTK1/81-B1-C836-349-F-48-A3-89-E2-5635-CEDAE2-B1.png) (https://ibb.co/HzVcTK1)

Also you can just get your Chinese from next door…!
Bonus… :popcorn: :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 08, 2023, 12:59:03 PM
Seeing's how there are no more MG dealers around here, I'm going to stop at Cadre next month when we head up to Cleveland to see Bruce Springsteen.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 08, 2023, 05:16:26 PM
Seeing's how there are no more MG dealers around here, I'm going to stop at Cadre next month when we head up to Cleveland to see Bruce Springsteen.

I remember when Bruce's Guzzi let him down.   It's posted here somewhere in the archives. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: s1120 on March 09, 2023, 04:49:16 AM
That’s a nice, old fashioned shop, looks like you could spend a lot of time there.
(https://i.ibb.co/HzVcTK1/81-B1-C836-349-F-48-A3-89-E2-5635-CEDAE2-B1.png) (https://ibb.co/HzVcTK1)

Also you can just get your Chinese from next door…!
Bonus… :popcorn: :thumb:

It is a nice shop. Also its much bigger then it looks from the road. Last time I was there is was chocked full of Guzzi's also, First time I walked in there it was the most of them ive seen in the same place before.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintagehoarder on March 09, 2023, 06:26:40 AM
Stopped byt Cadre Cycle in Cincinnati yesterday to pick up my Eldo, and the first batch of V100's came in. Pretty impressive!

Dash Video
https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/Forum-Post/n-zvp7tH/i-dFzdf3d/A (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/Forum-Post/n-zvp7tH/i-dFzdf3d/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-N2BtzDC/0/ac3ab446/M/i-N2BtzDC-M.jpg) (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/Forum-Post/n-zvp7tH/i-N2BtzDC/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8gFtVnM/0/0db8571f/M/i-8gFtVnM-M.jpg) (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/Forum-Post/n-zvp7tH/i-8gFtVnM/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3GrMrRp/0/94aba00d/M/i-3GrMrRp-M.jpg) (https://curtedwards.smugmug.com/Forum-Post/n-zvp7tH/i-3GrMrRp/A)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on March 09, 2023, 08:49:18 AM
Reminds me of the time three of us were getting gas in Salmon Idaho on the way to the Broken Arrow Rendezvous. A guy pulled in on an older California, AFAICR, and about fell over when he saw three Guzzis in the same place. He was on a Four Corners tour. He was coming from Virginia and had yet to see another Guzzi anywhere.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 09, 2023, 09:08:01 AM
question for the techies amoung us:

what is replaced when resetting the valves on this new engine?  With no shims, does that mean the rocker arm is the wear item?



Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 09, 2023, 09:19:10 AM
question for the techies amoung us:

what is replaced when resetting the valves on this new engine?  With no shims, does that mean the rocker arm is the wear item?

I think there was discussion here regarding shim replacement.  cams come out.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 09, 2023, 09:48:14 AM
I think there was discussion here regarding shim replacement.  cams come out.

I'm not seeing them in the art rendering


(https://i.ibb.co/YbCG1TC/20230309-094050.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YbCG1TC)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 09, 2023, 10:00:04 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52662317018_c925e59907_b.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 09, 2023, 10:52:00 AM
thanks Blackcat. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sdcr on March 09, 2023, 11:58:50 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52662317018_c925e59907_b.jpg)

In the second photo, the tan cam chain tensioners appear to be plastic. IIRC, BMW did this on some boxer engines, and they eventually break down.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 09, 2023, 12:47:20 PM
Better view:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52662268605_0dc504a156_b.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on March 09, 2023, 01:41:32 PM
and 15 grand buys you a motor with plastic parts

hmmm

I just wasn't made for these times
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 09, 2023, 01:51:06 PM
Huzo is spot on.  I have spent loads of time at Hamlin's Shop.  He's one of the very best, if not top dog.  And the shop is for real world everyday riders.  But then again, you never see posers at a Guzzi shop anyway.
It's the only thing I'll miss with my move west from the northeast.  My two times a year visits to Hamlin's, not to mention the weekend rides we enjoyed over the years. Hamlin customers feel the same about him as I read here how folks feel about Carde.  Real shame so many have never experienced great dealers like those two.  Guzzi brass should kiss them where the sun don't shine!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 09, 2023, 02:12:38 PM
In the second photo, the tan cam chain tensioners appear to be plastic. IIRC, BMW did this on some boxer engines, and they eventually break down.

Replace the tensioners at each valve adjustment.   :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ed / AF1 Racing on March 09, 2023, 02:44:11 PM
Those are the plastic chain guides, the tensioner is the metal round cylinder behind the one guide.

chain guides are plastic in just about every car and motorcycle engine I can think of.  They've been used in millions of engines just fine.   The 217hp RSV4 has plastic guides too
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 09, 2023, 02:47:30 PM
Those are the plastic chain guides, the tensioner is the metal round cylinder behind the one guide.

chain guides are plastic in just about every car and motorcycle engine I can think of.  They've been used in millions of engines just fine.   The 217hp RSV4 has plastic guides too

Thanks Ed!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on March 09, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
and 15 grand buys you a motor with plastic parts

hmmm

I just wasn't made for these times

+1
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: PJPR01 on March 09, 2023, 05:00:41 PM
That whole process seems to make valve adjustments much more of a complex event than current engines.  At first glance, doesn't seem to be something one can do easily enough at home.  Special tools required, magnets?  hhmmm...
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintagehoarder on March 09, 2023, 06:33:05 PM
Enjoy!! :gotpics:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 09, 2023, 07:02:55 PM
Hard to beat screw and locknut.  One of the bigger pluses of Guzzi ownership.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 09, 2023, 07:37:42 PM
That whole process seems to make valve adjustments much more of a complex event than current engines.  At first glance, doesn't seem to be something one can do easily enough at home.  Special tools required, magnets?  hhmmm...

for sure you'll need to get the right sized shims, which you won't know until you do the adjustment.

I know there's a Ducati service that supplies a kit of tools, consumables and a video that can be rented for a few weeks.  The consumables are charged and taken out of the deposit.  Frankly, it's more than I would attempt.  It's another story to do a hands on session with someone and then try. 

I think the service interval is 15k miles.  For many brands of bikes, it's a common belief that after the first adjustment, that follow-ons aren't always necessary unless the bike is run especially hard.  jus sayin......   My Duc is the first bike, I've owned with shim adjusters, so I really have no experience. 

Here's another situation I've read about on other forums.  About half of the posters say at first service that 3 or 4 valves need to be adjusted, half the responders say none.  I have to wonder about the later group, whether any check was actually done or perhaps both groups? 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 09, 2023, 07:59:25 PM
That whole process seems to make valve adjustments much more of a complex event than current engines.  At first glance, doesn't seem to be something one can do easily enough at home.  Special tools required, magnets?  hhmmm...

Yes, but 15,000 mile interval helps.  My Ducati friends keep a bunch of shims on hand.

But, it's amazing how few adjustments are needed on modern bikes
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Roebling3 on March 10, 2023, 09:21:24 AM
My son has known Jim since years b4 Jim opened his shop. He's coming back to CT later this month; to visit dear ol' dad. Hoping the timing will work. Can't call my son a Guzzi guy, but he's a terrific mechanic and knows a few of Jim's 'owners' and a bunch of New England MG fanatics. 
     R3~
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: TOMB on March 10, 2023, 01:46:51 PM
At this time I plan to attend a weather prevailing that is hope to see you there

TOMB
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cam3512 on March 10, 2023, 02:26:32 PM
I plan to come up from Jersey.

Cam
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on March 10, 2023, 02:36:38 PM
Show of hands. Anyone else experiencing a bit of ambiguity from Moto Guzzi on their pre-order? Back in early November when I put my order in I received two emails in quick succession from Moto Guzzi USA/Canada confirming my pre-order. I made the order at the dealership and ordered some accessories at that time as well as I wanted everything on the bike when I picked it up. The dealer told me at that time to expect the bike in March and that I would receive an email from Moto Guzzi a few weeks before it arrives letting me know when to expect it. The dealer also said they will notify me when they get confirmation that it is in route to them and they would then call me.
Well, I have yet to get notice from Moto Guzzi that my bike is on the way But I have been notified by the dealer that they are expecting it in the next week or so.
I am super excited as I thought my order may had been placed to late to make the first batch of arrivals for North America. I incredulously asked the dealer if they were certain my bike was in route as I haven't received the delivery confirmation from Moto Guzzi yet. They thought that was odd but assured me that my bike was state side and on the way.
Just wanted to see if anyone else here has had a similar experience.

Skippy

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ridingron on March 11, 2023, 12:41:14 AM
Quote
That whole process seems to make valve adjustments much more of a complex event than current engines.  At first glance, doesn't seem to be something one can do easily enough at home.  Special tools required, magnets?  hhmmm...   

If I'm not mistaken, you only have to pull the cams and all that stuff when the valves are out of tolerance. They are checked with feeler gage to find the gap. If you do have to adjust them then yeah, it's more complicated than the "screw and lock nut". At 102K miles, all 8 of my valves, shim and bucket, were still in spec from the factory. It is a Honda.   :wink:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on March 11, 2023, 04:28:07 PM
Show of hands. Anyone else experiencing a bit of ambiguity from Moto Guzzi on their pre-order? Back in early November when I put my order in I received two emails in quick succession from Moto Guzzi USA/Canada confirming my pre-order. I made the order at the dealership and ordered some accessories at that time as well as I wanted everything on the bike when I picked it up. The dealer told me at that time to expect the bike in March and that I would receive an email from Moto Guzzi a few weeks before it arrives letting me know when to expect it. The dealer also said they will notify me when they get confirmation that it is in route to them and they would then call me.
Well, I have yet to get notice from Moto Guzzi that my bike is on the way But I have been notified by the dealer that they are expecting it in the next week or so.
I am super excited as I thought my order may had been placed to late to make the first batch of arrivals for North America. I incredulously asked the dealer if they were certain my bike was in route as I haven't received the delivery confirmation from Moto Guzzi yet. They thought that was odd but assured me that my bike was state side and on the way.
Just wanted to see if anyone else here has had a similar experience.

Skippy

Mystery solved! Maybe.

Spoke with the folks in the parts department and we suspect I haven't  been notified by Moto Guzzi USA/Canada because a couple of items I ordered haven't shipped yet. I guess the hang up is there is a difference between the European bags and DOT bags for the U.S. market. Apparently the DOT approved bags will have reflectors? So those of us who ordered luggage straight away in the U.S. market may have to wait. I also ordered engine guards and the fellow at the parts counter doesn't exactly know where they are at. He said the Guzzi web site has three different symbols for status. Red, green, and a truck icon. Well the engine guards have the truck icon next to it. The rest of the accessories I ordered have already arrived and my bike is expected to be there in the next week.
Kind of bummed about not having the luggage on it when I pick it up though.

Skippy

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 11, 2023, 05:15:17 PM
Congrats on the new bike, which dealer did you order it from?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on March 11, 2023, 06:12:06 PM
Well this guy gets it.
https://youtu.be/njhOQc4-iOo
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on March 11, 2023, 08:03:07 PM
Congrats on the new bike, which dealer did you order it from?

Ace's Fort Collins Colorado.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on March 12, 2023, 06:07:10 AM
Well this guy gets it.
https://youtu.be/njhOQc4-iOo

Well yes.  And no.  Spite is one of the many YouTube bloggers I follow.  Like most of the ones I subscribe to, he’s good entertainment - and formerly a part of Yammie Noob - and yes, he recently was pretty matter of fact about how much better the V85 is than an Urban GS ridden back to back.  But.  In this same video he also agrees with a commenter about the lack of oomph from the V85TT and openly wonders “Why would Guzzi put such a boring engine in that [V85] bike”. So he at least adores the V100 and that’s a pretty good indication of how this bike might attract new riders to the brand, but I don’t know if I’d say he “gets it” so much when it comes to Guzzis in general.  But who cares really.  Hoping they can sell a bundle of them.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 12, 2023, 10:27:47 AM
How do these rambling "stream of consciousness" so-called reviewers get these gigs?  The professionals must have moved on to other things.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SLDMRossi on March 13, 2023, 09:35:13 AM
https://www.rideapart.com/news/656712/spec-showdown-motoguzziv100mandello-vs-hondant1100/

Steven Rossi

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 13, 2023, 09:57:30 AM
https://www.rideapart.com/news/656712/spec-showdown-motoguzziv100mandello-vs-hondant1100/

Steven Rossi

I can't imagine riders cross-shopping these two machines...

To summarize:

"Both achieve their ends with efficiency, but that doesn’t lend to direct comparison."

"The Goose upholds the ‘sport’ side of sport-touring, while the Honda focuses on the ‘touring’ part of the phrase. Those characteristics will appeal to different customers, making both a winner in the market."

"For our purposes—which usually sides with performance—there’s no other choice than the Moto Guzzi. The Honda certainly brings its fair share of pragmatism and reliability to the sport-touring party. However, with the V100 Mandello, Moto Guzzi ushers its brand and the category into the future."

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 13, 2023, 10:06:14 AM
Who turns off the service reminder light after you finish adjusting your own bikes valves etc? Or just checking them if no adjustment is needed.

I am sure there are dealers reading this who could answer now.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 13, 2023, 11:20:40 AM
Who turns off the service reminder light after you finish adjusting your own bikes valves etc? Or just checking them if no adjustment is needed.

I am sure there are dealers reading this who could answer now.

BMW motorcycles have MotoScan to clear the codes, hopefully there is something else out there that will work for the V100.

https://www.bmwownersnews.com/2021/11/motoscan-and-obdlink-mx/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on March 13, 2023, 11:30:30 AM
A guy over on GT forum posted his dash pic, said 144mph.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: brother dave on March 13, 2023, 11:35:32 AM
More V100 porn...
https://youtu.be/vhEmq2IpT_4
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 13, 2023, 02:02:58 PM
More V100 porn...
https://youtu.be/vhEmq2IpT_4
I like that guy’s style.
He packs a lot into his presentation and talks like a biker. I really hope all the new tech type stuff hangs together over the journey and have no reason to think it won’t.
I can see how archaic my Norge is starting to seem, but I do not see that as a negative.
If I did though….. :bike-037:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: brother dave on March 13, 2023, 03:20:26 PM
I like that guy’s style.
He packs a lot into his presentation and talks like a biker. I really hope all the new tech type stuff hangs together over the journey and have no reason to think it won’t.
I can see how archaic my Norge is starting to seem, but I do not see that as a negative.
If I did though….. :bike-037:

I am a little concerned about the amount of user un-serviceable tech as well.  I have some hope as they seem to be re-using somewhat more mature Aprilia electronics this may help.  As for the valves, sure its 10 times more complex than the current Guzzis but still easily accomplished as long as you can follow instructions and take a little care.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: MGrego on March 13, 2023, 03:43:35 PM

I can see how archaic my Norge is starting to seem, but I do not see that as a negative.


I was thinking the same thing about my Norge....
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 14, 2023, 12:59:23 AM
"Pay close attention not to drop the calibrated pads into the engine."
  Ok, then.
 :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phil/TX on March 14, 2023, 09:56:16 PM
AF1 was great, got the bike after an early morning drive to Austin (500 mile round trip) now have 300 miles on it, and still learning the steep curve. Taking it on a 700 mile trip in the morning. Will give a report when I get back.
(https://i.ibb.co/ns97CGm/A4-FBE617-AA74-4597-86-A0-4-FFCB0-DED431.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ns97CGm)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 15, 2023, 12:21:39 AM
Who turns off the service reminder light after you finish adjusting your own bikes valves etc? Or just checking them if no adjustment is needed.

I am sure there are dealers reading this who could answer now.
Well I do routinely on my Norge, but the V85 one is ever present.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on March 15, 2023, 12:04:25 PM
AF1 was great, got the bike after an early morning drive to Austin (500 mile round trip) now have 300 miles on it, and still learning the steep curve. Taking it on a 700 mile trip in the morning. Will give a report when I get back.
(https://i.ibb.co/ns97CGm/A4-FBE617-AA74-4597-86-A0-4-FFCB0-DED431.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ns97CGm)

Looks great!   :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sdcr on March 16, 2023, 08:28:40 AM
I stopped by Motoplex in West Chester on Wednesday. They had a V100 intro day, and had a about a dozen in stock, both base and S models. About 10 were presold, but they said more are coming. Got to sit on one, and hear it. Makes a nice rumble. The big old Vtwin, looks “ small” and very short, compared to air cooled models.

First impression, is a high level of fit and finish. Nothing appears to be parts bin, or cobbled. The “ invisible”  Hard bag racks are very cool. They are integrated into the bike, so all you need to purchase is the bags themselves, quoted at $850. Another feature is the under the seat phone charger, with a spot that fits the phone.

I really like the red with gold wheels.

(https://i.ibb.co/Lg2dRc1/15361726-1355-4-EF4-97-A2-195798-B2-E624.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Lg2dRc1)

(https://i.ibb.co/SsNKVKR/85-CF0-FC9-3094-4-F8-A-B7-A2-5-EE0-B5589-D62.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SsNKVKR)

(https://i.ibb.co/9qz02fB/E8-B33659-44-B7-4-CB3-B11-F-31-D4-B338242-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9qz02fB)

so we ll go no more a roving poem (https://poetandpoem.com/analysis-of-so-well-go-no-more-a-roving-by-lord-byron)

(https://i.ibb.co/9hMyDYR/17362992-5640-4-F41-BD1-F-A372-D7-A68-CB7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9hMyDYR)

(https://i.ibb.co/4VWrpn1/66-C670-D2-B909-4-E9-A-A022-D68401-FA0-BF7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4VWrpn1)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 16, 2023, 09:28:28 AM
I do like the red, hopefully they will come out with an S model version.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on March 16, 2023, 10:20:46 AM
On the shims vs screw/wrench adjustments ...

I've always seen an exact clearance number for bikes with the screw/wrench style adjusters ... and, you can get them easily to that exact number.

On bikes with shims, I've always seen a range of clearance listed ... so the clearance can change over time, but as long as the clearance is in that range you are ok.  If the clearance was 1 exact number, you would probably need to re-shim several times.

Example bike "B" I have with shims, intake 0.13mm - 0.23mm and exhaust 0.30mm-0.40mm
Example bike "MG" with screw adjusters, intake 0.10mm and exhaust 0.15mm

If bike B (with shims) had 1 exact number, say 0.15mm for intake, and I checked it at say 0.19mm, then I would need to re-shim to get to 0.15mm ... but not the case, there is a fairly wide range in there, and in this example 0.19mm is still in the proper tolerance.

If bike MG (with screw adjusters) had an intake clearance of 0.14mm, I could easily adjust that to 0.10mm. 

I'm not 100% sure why this is.  But it makes it such that a screw type "needs" (gets?) more frequent adjustments than a shim type ... but in reality, the screw type is held to an exact clearance number vs a range.

And what I've done with many shim bikes ... I check the clearances (not super hard to do), and if they are off and need shimming, then I can set up a trip to a shop if I don't feel like pulling cams out and risking messing up engine/valve timing.  And like most guys figure out, the shim bikes don't often drift out of that fairly wide tolerance range.  My BMW R1200RT at 35,000 miles has never needed a shim, for example.

So ... buy the V, ride it, check clearance every 15,000 miles, and probably sell it before you need to re-shim.   :grin:

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on March 16, 2023, 10:33:19 AM
I think I've read all 45 pages, not 100% sure ... so, not sure if this topic has been covered ...

When I read about this new engine, my thoughts have been "Oh, so Aprilia designed the motor for Moto Guzzi".  And wondered how the folks in Mandello Del Lario felt about that.  Like 100 years of making bikes and Piaggio (the scooter company) tells you Aprilia will make your new future motor for ya. 

Anyone know how that came about?  Maybe it really is one happy family.  Maybe it was a great coordinated effort between Moto Guzzi and Aprilia, with Piaggio funding and supporting it.

I guess as the buying/riding public we shouldn't care what goes on in the kitchen.   :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 16, 2023, 11:24:04 AM
The local shop is supposed to be getting a White one today.  Unfortunately his customer ordered the Green and Silver one. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 16, 2023, 11:59:57 AM
I think I've read all 45 pages, not 100% sure ... so, not sure if this topic has been covered ...

When I read about this new engine, my thoughts have been "Oh, so Aprilia designed the motor for Moto Guzzi".  And wondered how the folks in Mandello Del Lario felt about that.  Like 100 years of making bikes and Piaggio (the scooter company) tells you Aprilia will make your new future motor for ya. 

Anyone know how that came about?  Maybe it really is one happy family.  Maybe it was a great coordinated effort between Moto Guzzi and Aprilia, with Piaggio funding and supporting it.

I guess as the buying/riding public we shouldn't care what goes on in the kitchen.   :grin:
Maybe the “family” thing, is something we should all remember fondly but learn to let go of.
The world is inexorably moving away from the “tradition for tradition’s sake” mentality and more towards the hard nosed reality of corporate bean counting, but this is not unlike the British bike renaissance around the beginning of the Hinkley era with the demise of the Meriden experience.
It has been a much needed shot in the arm for them and I think history will show that it is the panacea that we had to have.
The waxed cotton/Belstaff wearing old timers will lament the passing of the old brigade as they bid their gleaming new faultless V100 goodnight and trundle off to their air conditioned unit to sleep off the lovely meal and cheeky wine they enjoyed for dinner.
I used to wipe the remnants of a hamburger off my pie hole with my sleeve, now I dab the corners of my gob with a white serviette, I’m becoming a cultured bastard…. :rolleyes:
The days of laying down under a ground sheet smelling of petrol and greasy hands, after patching up some old relic and missing the hamburger joint because you were “working on the bike”, are disappearing in the fancy shaped mirrors, along with a million memories of mates, loyalty and adversity.
You won’t remember the trouble free ride ten years later, but you’ll never forget the time you nearly set the Norge on fire in rural France.
As that great philosopher Bob Dylan put it…?

“The times they are a changing’…”  :sad: :lipsrsealed: :weiner:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on March 16, 2023, 12:00:21 PM
I think I've read all 45 pages, not 100% sure ... so, not sure if this topic has been covered ...

When I read about this new engine, my thoughts have been "Oh, so Aprilia designed the motor for Moto Guzzi".  And wondered how the folks in Mandello Del Lario felt about that.  Like 100 years of making bikes and Piaggio (the scooter company) tells you Aprilia will make your new future motor for ya. 

Anyone know how that came about?  Maybe it really is one happy family.  Maybe it was a great coordinated effort between Moto Guzzi and Aprilia, with Piaggio funding and supporting it.

I guess as the buying/riding public we shouldn't care what goes on in the kitchen.   :grin:
No worse than Bennelli makining bikes badged Guzzi years back. Nothing changed.
I would worry when you take it in for service they get all info & void the warranty. Like in the guy posted on GT forum that went 144 @ 9,000rpm on a new bike. This happens w/BMW service. Memory in the ECU or dash? Time will tell, they also read forums so don't brag.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on March 16, 2023, 12:32:12 PM
I am a diehard Mopar fan. Would I be upset if I learned that Peugeot and Fiat had a lot to do with the design of the new Dodge Hornet? Nope, especially if it results in a better car. I don't know but I suspect a lot of it comes from Europe as they have a lot of experience building small cars. If this helps keep Moto Guzzi healthy, great.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 16, 2023, 03:59:27 PM
I have to say if it's like Ducati being owned by Audi, I'd guess that Guzzi may finally be better off with the Piaggio.  The electronics on these new bikes have to be dead reliable.  If we know anything about legacy Guzzis, anything electric was a big guess at best.

Given my Ducati, I'm pretty impressed with the pricing and quality this kind of product integration has resulted.  If anything, the European bikes are every bit as equal to the Japanese bikes.  <knock wood>
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on March 16, 2023, 06:45:34 PM
The best v100 review I have found ' lots of info and operation data here. looks promising
https://www.saferiders.it/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-review/
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Duc-Duc-Goose on March 16, 2023, 10:26:30 PM
I was thinking the same thing about my Norge....
Me as well… in fact I just traded my ‘15 Norge (that’s been a wonderful traveling companion!) in on a V100 S, today :smiley:. Getting the hard bags too. Any other “must have accessories?” I’ve read that the TFT screen is easily scratched. And, also thinking some protection for the “rotated” exhaust pipes and heads. Pretty stoked!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 16, 2023, 10:50:07 PM
 :drool:
I think I've read all 45 pages, not 100% sure ... so, not sure if this topic has been covered ...

When I read about this new engine, my thoughts have been "Oh, so Aprilia designed the motor for Moto Guzzi".  And wondered how the folks in Mandello Del Lario felt about that.  Like 100 years of making bikes and Piaggio (the scooter company) tells you Aprilia will make your new future motor for ya. 

Anyone know how that came about?  Maybe it really is one happy family.  Maybe it was a great coordinated effort between Moto Guzzi and Aprilia, with Piaggio funding and supporting it.

I guess as the buying/riding public we shouldn't care what goes on in the kitchen.   :grin:

At least they aren’t Chinese owned.

There is really no Guzzi and no Aprilia, that was gone over 20 years ago.  Piaggio was before that time looking around for a way to move up in size from scooters, having taken note of the resurgence of larger Italian motorcycle sales in the 90s. After their attempted purchase of Cagiva failed, they gave up on the idea of making Piaggio engined nuovo-Gileras at the Cagiva plant and instead bought Aprilia. This was a good match because as well as them buying a successful competitor in a contracting scooter market, Aprilia was also a motorcycle manufacturer with little powertrain engineering experience - their production motorcycle engines were mostly designed and built by Rotax or Suzuki instead. Meanwhile Piaggio as a relatively huge engineering company had lots of relevant experience in engines but little in full size motorcycle chassis engineering.  Guzzi came along for the ride in this purchase, more by chance than intent, having been an Aprilia subsidiary for a few years. Guzzi had some remaining powertrain engineering capability that Aprilia had never shut down but Umberto Todero the long time chief engineer died in 2005 and that provided a turning point.  Guzzis engineering and management was then shut down by Piaggio and their staff in Mandello became a couple of hundred assembly line workers.

Nowadays Aprilia and Guzzi are divisions and brands of Piaggio that share engineering staff and take direction from the same senior and mid-level management. Powertrain engineering is mostly done at the Piaggio main plant in Pontedera and Aprilia does the chassis engineering.  The V100 engine was designed by Federico Martini (RIP) several years ago - he is known for having led Bimota engineering for a period after their peak, before taking over Piaggio powertrain engineering and designing for example the Dorsoduro V-twin.  The bikes are still assembled at the legacy plants that were associated with the two companies before they were acquired, this is essential for marketing purposes where a perception of brand ‘authenticity’ supports higher retail prices.

My own feeling is that Piaggio’s management of Guzzi was not that great initially (being charitable) but slowly, slowly they have figured out roughly what to do with a product that has a lot of potential.  This is much better than VW’s direction with Ducati which has lost the plot in terms of Ducati’s brand value.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: usedtobefast on March 17, 2023, 10:12:24 AM
Tusayan - thanks for the excellent history and info! 

I assume the V7 III engines were made in Madello?  Like you could see pistons and valves and crankshafts being put together. 

Is that the situation with the V100 engine?  Or do crates of motors show up on the loading dock? 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 17, 2023, 10:24:27 AM
:drool:
At least they aren’t Chinese owned.

There is really no Guzzi and no Aprilia, that was gone over 20 years ago.  Piaggio was before that time looking around for a way to move up in size from scooters, having taken note of the resurgence of larger Italian motorcycle sales in the 90s. After their attempted purchase of Cagiva failed, they gave up on the idea of making Piaggio engined nuovo-Gileras at the Cagiva plant and instead bought Aprilia. This was a good match because as well as them buying a successful competitor in a contracting scooter market, Aprilia was also a motorcycle manufacturer with little powertrain engineering experience - their production motorcycle engines were mostly designed and built by Rotax or Suzuki instead. Meanwhile Piaggio as a relatively huge engineering company had lots of relevant experience in engines but little in full size motorcycle chassis engineering.  Guzzi came along for the ride in this purchase, more by chance than intent, having been an Aprilia subsidiary for a few years. Guzzi had some remaining powertrain engineering capability that Aprilia had never shut down but Umberto Todero the long time chief engineer died in 2005 and that provided a turning point.  Guzzis engineering and management was then shut down by Piaggio and their staff in Mandello became a couple of hundred assembly line workers.

Nowadays Aprilia and Guzzi are divisions and brands of Piaggio that share engineering staff and take direction from the same senior and mid-level management. Powertrain engineering is mostly done at the Piaggio main plant in Pontedera and Aprilia does the chassis engineering.  The V100 engine was designed by Federico Martini (RIP) several years ago - he is known for having led Bimota engineering for a period after their peak, before taking over Piaggio powertrain engineering and designing for example the Dorsoduro V-twin.  The bikes are still assembled at the legacy plants that were associated with the two companies before they were acquired, this is essential for marketing purposes where a perception of brand ‘authenticity’ supports higher retail prices.

My own feeling is that Piaggio’s management of Guzzi was not that great initially (being charitable) but slowly, slowly they have figured out roughly what to do with a product that has a lot of potential.  This is much better than VW’s direction with Ducati which has lost the plot in terms of Ducati’s brand value.

I suppose your last sentence was directed to me.

I'll admit that I've never owned a legacy Ducati.  I will say that my '17 model has been the best and most reliable motorcycle I've ever owned.  Ducati has come out with numerous models, a new V4 engine and have dominated GP racing.  My impression is the Audi was provided them with capital and suppliers that have improved the brand, particularly performance, cost and reliability.  This is the consensus of the folks I'm in touch with my Ducati forums as well.

So far as Guzzi.  I agree with what you've said, that over time quality has improved with Piaggio.  I recall last week talking to the owner of the local shop and he made a point the V85TT and the recent small blocks have been very reliable and the former only had a couple of minor recalls.

Me, I'm partial to Italian bikes because of the "feel".  They seem to fit me.  I like the power band, even Guzzis which aren't that powerful, and the confidence I have in the turns and brakes. 

anyway, my 2 cents. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 17, 2023, 10:33:46 AM
Tusayan - thanks for the excellent history and info! 

I assume the V7 III engines were made in Madello?  Like you could see pistons and valves and crankshafts being put together. 

Is that the situation with the V100 engine?  Or do crates of motors show up on the loading dock?

The small block engines are made in Mandello, at least I believe so.  There may have been some variation a long time ago when the small block bikes were built at Innocenti in Milano but I’m not really an expert on the small blocks.  As I understand it the newer Guzzi gearboxes are made in Pontedera (Piaggio).

The question about where the new V100 engine is manufactured is a good one and I don’t know the answer - I don’t know what has happened recently to Guzzi engine manufacture.  It would be interesting to see some photos of the engines being produced, and I guess that will happen eventually.  Traditionally Guzzi made all their own engines and also for example the four and six cylinder Benelli engines way back in the 70s.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 17, 2023, 11:49:56 AM
Speaking of engines, I wonder if they will up the HP for the new Stelvio to compete with the competition? The Pan America, GS are in the 150HP range and Guzzi will need to get close to that number to compete. To those who don't think HP sells.......HP sells.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 17, 2023, 04:22:16 PM
To those who don't think HP sells.......HP sells.
It is a significant factor, but not the main driver. Certainly not like it was in the race rep era.
I find it enthralling to think how much we (males) are attracted to bikes in the same way as we are to women. We can all see outward beauty when and where it exists and we can allow ourselves a flight of fancy to imagine how desireable it would be to experience that aspect if the opportunity arose… :wink:
But at some point the reality of other factors begins to skew our decision making process.
Does she smoke ?
Does she shower ?
How did I attract her attention so easily ? (That’s a good one…).
Can she cook ? (That’s an old fashioned and largely outdated one).

MV Agusta latest and greatest= stunning looks and attention grabber, but shocking and largely unsustainable costs.
Suzuki Hyabusa or Kawasaki ZX14R= Outright performance and no licence in two weeks or severe injury.
BMW Six cylinder behemoth=Massive monetary outlay and crushing weight at parking lot speeds.

Point is…
Yes HP sells to some people some of the time and then they move to something else milder or vice versa. Everything sells to some of the people some of the time and not to others.
If I could bolt on another 30 kW to my Norge for 20 bucks, I wouldn’t bother, or for the same cost, increase my V85 to the performance of a Ducati Multistrada…? Same answer.
I…Just…Don’t…Care…
Have a look at how Royal Enfield Himalayas, Interceptors and V85’s are selling, the reality of law enforcement here in Australia is such, that having an extreme performance bike is just a useless toss fest.
If you turn up to a ride day these days on a Ducati Panigale or Kawasaki H2 dressed in race leathers and pristine knee scrapers, you just look like a tool.
Yes..Horsepower sells very well, if you’re buying a racehorse… :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 17, 2023, 05:27:30 PM
The HD Pan America currently has 150hp(and hydraulic lifters) and the soon to be released BMW GS1300 is supposed to be in the 150hp range. By the time MG comes out with the new Stelvio(who knows when that will be) the hp has to at least be close to those numbers or the press will note in large flashing lights how it is underpowered compared to the competition. ‘We love the bike, just wish it had more power’ and yes the V7’s are fine in the current hp dress but I’ve met more than a few young guys who loved the bike but couldn’t keep up with their friends and moved on to more powerful bikes.

In terms of cost, the Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 has 175hp, weighs 460lbs and cost $16,199 in the USA which is $1,000+ less than the V100 Mandello and it’s supposed to be a sports tourer. Obviously Piaggio has the capability of meeting that hp challenge, they should use it for the Stelvio because that is where their competition is headed.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cal3Me on March 17, 2023, 08:19:07 PM
I was just notified that my dealer Top Gear Power Sports is getting in a couple of new V100's and they want to unveil them to us guzzi guys. They had mentioned a private unveiling but changed their mind. So mark your calendars for April 1st......... see flier
(https://i.ibb.co/WxVyrQ2/Guzzi-Open-House.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WxVyrQ2)


Hope to see some of you there ...........
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 18, 2023, 03:58:30 AM
I was just notified that my dealer Top Gear Power Sports is getting in a couple of new V100's and they want to unveil them to us guzzi guys. They had mentioned a private unveiling but changed their mind. So mark your calendars for April 1st......... see flier
(https://i.ibb.co/WxVyrQ2/Guzzi-Open-House.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WxVyrQ2)


Hope to see some of you there ...........
I’d say that’s a foregone conclusion.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Cal3Me on March 18, 2023, 10:49:14 AM
Mark your calendars , April 1st,,,,,,,, Top Gear Power Sports is unveiling the new Guzzi V100 , come on down and get a free lunch too
(https://i.ibb.co/Mpph5Cd/Guzzi-Open-House.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Mpph5Cd)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on March 18, 2023, 11:33:59 AM
Same day as the IL Breakfast in DeKalb.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phil/TX on March 18, 2023, 01:02:59 PM
Here we go, I’m not a pro, just a common ordinary guy. I will list my + and - review, on my 2 day 800 mile trip from my home in east Texas to Kerrville, Texas and back.
Weather going west cool and dry low winds.
Weather return cold rain very high winds.
In no specific order. + the wings work very well in the rain keeping your knees to about six inches above your waist dry.
This was a steady rain, not heavy rain, going 75 mph leaving Kerrville.
+ very good turning and braking in rain mode, and also in the dry in touring, road, and sport.
+ suspension adjustment (each mode has adjustments) I was in touring most of the ride adjustments are from -5 to+ 5, for front and rear( each are separate) I chose to go up from -5 to 0, front and rear. This made for a good ride, with out being too soft.
+ or - low fuel light comes on at about 145 miles, with about 1.5 gallons left, so you can go 40 to 50 miles after it comes on and still have close to a gallon left.
+ average mpg was 44.58, with 50.9 the best, and 41.7 the lowest ( high head winds 30 to 40 mph)
+ riding comfort, I did a 400 mile day going out in good weather and was fine (note I’m 78 years old) coming home another 400 miles in high winds, I was tired!
+and - quick shifter, at good as any other bike I have ridden, from third thru sixth, first second and third kinda jerky, that said there is a lot of pressure on the transmission in lower gears, my KTM, and BMW were the same.
- first gear Klunks when you put it in gear from neutral , similar to an older guzzi. But it up and down shifts fine, with no klunk going down thru the gears coming to a stop.
+++ torque, idle, and cruising, you know it’s a guzzi.
+ cruise control easy to use.
- or + dash functions take a little getting use to, but there is a lot of functions and adjustments to learn.
- you must have it on the side stand when filling the tank, and fill it slow standing on the left side, DO NOT, DO NOT put the pump on automatic, it will splash out.
OVER ALL, IM GLAD I PURCHASED THE BIKE, GREAT FIT AND FINISH, AND GOOD ALL A ROUND BIKE. MY R 1200 RS will be for sale as soon as I get her serviced. New bike name (My wing man).
(https://i.ibb.co/9w2SMSw/FFCAF44-B-0521-46-A6-B6-BC-63-F27-C19-CA36.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9w2SMSw)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jcctx on March 18, 2023, 01:55:09 PM
Congrats on new bike Phil~and, glad to hear from you! Sounds like you are quite happy with it; wish my eye sight would let me still ride but is not to be. Glad you are still good to go, tho!!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 18, 2023, 01:58:48 PM
went to Don's shop today, saw the new bike.  Bike looks just like the photos.  Seems like a nice piece, sounds great, comfy seating, dashboard menu is neat.  Didn't care for the header heatshield, sorta tacked on, would take them off and show the stainless pipes like my Sport.

here's Darren the model

(https://i.ibb.co/zm20pgB/PXL-20230318-155227851-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zm20pgB)

(https://i.ibb.co/PCfCZMH/PXL-20230318-154844356-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PCfCZMH)

upload image direct link (https://imgbb.com/)


gonna test ride when it warms up next week.  Since he's got both my Guzzis, hopefully he fix'em & it won't be long.  (my EV on the rack)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: john fish on March 18, 2023, 03:34:08 PM
How tall is Darren?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on March 18, 2023, 03:53:44 PM
The HD Pan America currently has 150hp(and hydraulic lifters) and the soon to be released BMW GS1300 is supposed to be in the 150hp range. By the time MG comes out with the new Stelvio(who knows when that will be) the hp has to at least be close to those numbers or the press will note in large flashing lights how it is underpowered compared to the competition. ‘We love the bike, just wish it had more power’ and yes the V7’s are fine in the current hp dress but I’ve met more than a few young guys who loved the bike but couldn’t keep up with their friends and moved on to more powerful bikes.

In terms of cost, the Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 has 175hp, weighs 460lbs and cost $16,199 in the USA which is $1,000+ less than the V100 Mandello and it’s supposed to be a sports tourer. Obviously Piaggio has the capability of meeting that hp challenge, they should use it for the Stelvio because that is where their competition is headed.

With all due respect, I don’t think bike reviews have ever sold many Guzzis.  In fact, if selling numbers were based on some kind of Rotten Tomatoes score  :laugh: Guzzi might sell even fewer bikes than they do now  :grin:.  So piss on the pundits.  To ask such a small company like MG to suddenly bump their first water cooled bike with over 110 rear wheel horsepower to suddenly make it 150 is greatly unrealistic.  Piaggio Guzzi moves in baby steps and generally is just starting to nip at the heels of the competition in terms of power when the competition usually comes out with something new that is 20-30 horsepower more.  I’m just saying Guzzi hasn’t ever much ran the HP race and even when they seemingly try, they get knocked out of the running in another year or so.  I think it’s important they stay competitive but what is competitive when you’re talking about horsepower over, say 120, where you can barely find it nor use it on regular streets?  Somehow the GS is still selling like hotcakes in comparison to much of the competition and it’s basically smoked on paper in comparison to HP of the Multistrada and Super Adventure.  It is at least an example of you don’t have to match other manufacturers HP to be competitive in the same class. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bmc5733946 on March 18, 2023, 04:35:17 PM
The surge in Guzzi sales from 1998 - 2000 was directly a result of whatever magazine did the shootout that involved the new EV model. That article put Guzzi on the map in the US during that era. Just my opinion and it's worth exactly what you paid to hear it. YMMV

Brian
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 18, 2023, 05:10:18 PM
How tall is Darren?

maybe 5'11"...but he's sorta like a gorilla with arms and legs like someone 6'4".   I think he has 34 in inseam.....

now writing this, it sounds pretty strange for me to know these facts, but this is based on talking about motorcycle clothes and me trying to get on his Tenere 700 which I couldn't -so please no rumors here.  :grin:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on March 19, 2023, 12:21:28 AM
The best v100 review I have found ' lots of info and operation data here. looks promising
https://www.saferiders.it/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-review/

+1
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 19, 2023, 01:36:32 AM
I agree with bp.  The day Guzzi tries to start competing in the, to me, senseless horsepower wars, will finally be the day they start down.
I fail to understand why 150+ is needed and then a bunch of nanni electronics so it's rideable.  Drag races are for the track-and fun, but on the street I've never seen where the bike makes a difference for the truly fast riders.  They arrive first no matter what they and the "competition" are riding.  There's so much more to being fast in the twisties than brute horsepower.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 19, 2023, 06:50:57 AM
Another analogy that does not favor those very high hp numbers is insurance.  Most of us are of an age to remember when the expense and sometimes inability to get insurance for muscle cars nearly doomed that segment.  Also look at who it is that can afford these bikes now.  When I was 22 in my first post-college job making $200 a week, I could afford a pretty fast Japanese 4 cylinder and still meet my obligations.  How many young people making $20 an hour can afford to squeeze in a $400 per month payment for a motorcycle, which if it is not your sole means of transportation is essentially a luxury? Those kids are supporting the newly resurrected 300cc class.  So, the market for these high horsepower bikes is basically the same market it has been for years, older guys with disposable income.  So, say you are 64 years old, a seasoned rider but one whose reflexes are not comparable to a 30 year old and who over the course of a long riding career have learned a little caution, why would you want that horsepower especially if you only have the skills to use it in a straight line.  A popular power tourer has been the FJR by Yamaha.  Most of my friends sold theirs off when they realized the only time they could use that power was straight line.  So, thanks for staying with me through this early morning ramble.
My actual opinion is that less ultimate hp that is accessible and controllable is much more useful than high hp that is finicky to access and not much use on anything but a straight road.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 19, 2023, 08:54:46 AM
Well, time will tell regarding the new Stelvio.

BUT, the 1250 GS has 136hp and that seemed to be all fine until the Pan America was released with 150hp and that bike has shown to be a good seller for HD. And the soon to be released 1300 BMW GS will have 150+ hp. Obviously they looked at the competition and decided they needed to meet that challenge for a bike that sells 60,000 units per year. Whether we like it or not, releasing a bike in that category with the same weight and 40hp less than the competition is not going to sell that well. And no, they are not going to overtake HD or BMW in that class or any class for that matter but if they can take 5-10%+ from that Adventure bike market it would be a wild success for MG.  I don’t see a marketing success with, “Yeah, you don’t need that extra Horse Power”

All I’m saying is that the Stelvio has to come close to those numbers. They already have a mid-sized bike in the V85 which seems to be a good seller for the company and I don’t see them adding another bike in that class.

In terms of insurance, I can’t imagine the GS will get a big bump in cost going from a 1250cc engine to a 1300cc engine.  If Guzzi goes from an 1100cc engine to a 1250cc engine there will be an increase but will it be a substantially large increase? And will that matter to a generally older rider?  If that rider is going from a 74 Eldorado to a new Stelvio, yes that insurance increase will be substantially more but that is not who is going to be buying a new Stelvio.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bikelee on March 19, 2023, 09:06:47 AM
I'm very interested at purchasing a new Mandello. I have owned many Guzzis in the past. I was wondering if anybody who has recently purchased a Mandello has had any problems with oil leaks ?  I really want to like this bike but oil leaks still haunt my memories of my 78 LM1, my 2004 V11 Sport. Do you think I should wait a year for any kinks to be worked out?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on March 19, 2023, 09:26:47 AM
Well, time will tell regarding the new Stelvio.

BUT, the 1250 GS has 136hp and that seemed to be all fine until the Pan America was released with 150hp and that bike has shown to be a good seller for HD. And the soon to be released 1300 BMW GS will have 150+ hp. Obviously they looked at the competition and decided they needed to meet that challenge for a bike that sells 60,000 units per year. Whether we like it or not, releasing a bike in that category with the same weight and 40hp less than the competition is not going to sell that well. And no, they are not going to overtake HD or BMW in that class or any class for that matter but if they can take 5-10%+ from that Adventure bike market it would be a wild success for MG.  I don’t see a marketing success with, “Yeah, you don’t need that extra Horse Power”

All I’m saying is that the Stelvio has to come close to those numbers. They already have a mid-sized bike in the V85 which seems to be a good seller for the company and I don’t see them adding another bike in that class.

In terms of insurance, I can’t imagine the GS will get a big bump in cost going from a 1250cc engine to a 1300cc engine.  If Guzzi goes from an 1100cc engine to a 1250cc engine there will be an increase but will it be a substantially large increase? And will that matter to a generally older rider?  If that rider is going from a 74 Eldorado to a new Stelvio, yes that insurance increase will be substantially more but that is not who is going to be buying a new Stelvio.

Just my opinion but the new Stelvio with the 1042cc engine won’t be asked to compete in the same class with the Pan Am, the GS, nor the big bore KTMs.  It will likely be more of a road bike with 19/17 wheels (?) and in the class with the Tiger 850, the F900XR, maybe the Versus 1000, etc.  Even if they do give it the 21/19 setup it will still likely be in that same class against the Tiger 900 Pro, 890 Adventure, Africa Twin 1100, etc.  It’s already making better horsepower than those bikes.  It’s my thinking that because of this, the new Stelvio will actually compete better within its class than the V100 Mandello which for lack of a definitive class of bike is now getting lumped into what I think are sort of oddball, square peg/round hole comparisons with things like the R1250S and other so called big bore hyper tourers that’s it’s not really.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on March 19, 2023, 10:47:14 AM
I think MG should stick to it's current trend of a good amount of torque coming in at low rpm and staying throughout the rpm range and not getting into the horsepower race. It is a lot more pleasurable riding a balanced bike than a screaming demon at least for me.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 19, 2023, 11:08:35 AM
I will further add that MG will steal a few sales when the new bike is ridden. Those other bikes are good bikes, but nothing else feels like an MG to ride.
 The modern design and features will get people into the dealerships, then there will be a few that decide they don't really need all that extra horsepower once they ride the MG.  One measure of how well MG is doing so far is the number of new dealers taking on the brand.  Definitely growing.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 19, 2023, 11:18:09 AM
I will further add that MG will steal a few sales when the new bike is ridden. Those other bikes are good bikes, but nothing else feels like an MG to ride.
 The modern design and features will get people into the dealerships, then there will be a few that decide they don't really need all that extra horsepower once they ride the MG.  One measure of how well MG is doing so far is the number of new dealers taking on the brand.  Definitely growing.

have you ridden a Mandello?  The bike tips to the left when goosed, the opposite way from a "real' Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 19, 2023, 02:16:23 PM
have you ridden a Mandello?  The bike tips to the left when goosed, the opposite way from a "real' Guzzi.
So what happened to all the predictions that there’d be no torque reaction because some of the components were spun the opposite way to the crank ?
Traditional Guzzi’s spin the clutch at engine speed, is the clutch on the V100 geared to spin slower than crank rpm ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 19, 2023, 05:49:37 PM
Low:  I hope to ride one soon.  Cadre has their demo in, just waiting for the weather to improve.  Twist clockwise or twist counterclockwise, would it really feel much different after a few hundred miles?  It is good that the improving fortunes of the brand are gradual, otherwise, the factory could not keep up and quality would probably suffer if they tried.  Going from 12,000 per year to 14,000 per year would be manageable, but going to 20,000 per year would probably really test them unless another facility was used.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: auzziguzzi on March 19, 2023, 07:31:46 PM
So what happened to all the predictions that there’d be no torque reaction because some of the components were spun the opposite way to the crank ?
Traditional Guzzi’s spin the clutch at engine speed, is the clutch on the V100 geared to spin slower than crank rpm ?
The drawing below shows the clutch to be inline with the crankshaft, at least in the vertical plane when viewed from above.
(https://i.ibb.co/LZC70tR/Screen-Shot-2023-03-09-at-7-14-33-am.png) (https://ibb.co/LZC70tR)

Other photos and drawings show the clutch to also be in the same horizontal plane as the crank. Therefore clutch and crank are coaxial.
The parts book is a little unclear but it appears to show the clutch to be driven directly by the crankshaft - no gearing involved.

The evidence is pointing towards a direct drive from the crank to the clutch.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 19, 2023, 08:56:25 PM
Low:  I hope to ride one soon.  Cadre has their demo in, just waiting for the weather to improve.  Twist clockwise or twist counterclockwise, would it really feel much different after a few hundred miles?  It is good that the improving fortunes of the brand are gradual, otherwise, the factory could not keep up and quality would probably suffer if they tried.  Going from 12,000 per year to 14,000 per year would be manageable, but going to 20,000 per year would probably really test them unless another facility was used.
The point was/is, that the torque reaction would be diminished because the direction of rotation of the clutch was opposite to the crank.
Clockwise or anti was not the talking point.
It is the mass of the parts being accelerated that induces the reaction. If the flywheel/clutch assy. is lighter, then that will reduce the effect, but the greater Nm figure from the Mandello, will increase it .
I wonder what the net result is.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on March 19, 2023, 08:59:51 PM
I'm very interested at purchasing a new Mandello. I have owned many Guzzis in the past. I was wondering if anybody who has recently purchased a Mandello has had any problems with oil leaks ?  I really want to like this bike but oil leaks still haunt my memories of my 78 LM1, my 2004 V11 Sport. Do you think I should wait a year for any kinks to be worked out?

My V85TT has been completely leak free and I expect it to remain so (provided the various oils are not overfilled). I would think the V100 will have similar build quality and also be leak free. These are newly designed engines and shouldn't be compared to bikes that were made 20-40 years ago.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 19, 2023, 09:04:52 PM
huzo: I was responding to low ryter.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 19, 2023, 09:18:35 PM
huzo: I was responding to low ryter.
Ok understood.  :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on March 19, 2023, 11:48:32 PM
Another analogy that does not favor those very high hp numbers is insurance.  Most of us are of an age to remember when the expense and sometimes inability to get insurance for muscle cars nearly doomed that segment.  Also look at who it is that can afford these bikes now.  When I was 22 in my first post-college job making $200 a week, I could afford a pretty fast Japanese 4 cylinder and still meet my obligations.  How many young people making $20 an hour can afford to squeeze in a $400 per month payment for a motorcycle, which if it is not your sole means of transportation is essentially a luxury? Those kids are supporting the newly resurrected 300cc class.  So, the market for these high horsepower bikes is basically the same market it has been for years, older guys with disposable income.  So, say you are 64 years old, a seasoned rider but one whose reflexes are not comparable to a 30 year old and who over the course of a long riding career have learned a little caution, why would you want that horsepower especially if you only have the skills to use it in a straight line.  A popular power tourer has been the FJR by Yamaha.  Most of my friends sold theirs off when they realized the only time they could use that power was straight line.  So, thanks for staying with me through this early morning ramble.
My actual opinion is that less ultimate hp that is accessible and controllable is much more useful than high hp that is finicky to access and not much use on anything but a straight road.

Literally me 8 years ago. After 9-10 years on my FJR I was bored. Unless I was riding at go to jail or morgue speeds, there was no passion or enjoyment. I barely broke 1000 miles my last 2 years on it. Didn’t want to give up riding so decided to go back to a standard. Did about 20 test rides and NOTHING felt right.

Then I went up to MI in Seattle, took my first ride on a Griso and was instantly hooked. Put 2k miles in that first month and by July had added a Norge.

After 30+ years on IL4 Jap bikes it took me a bit to adjust to the change in power delivery but once learned, I don’t miss it at all. Guzzi’s put the power where it matters most and makes every second rewarding. My favorite is still the Griso, but the V7ii makes me smile the most.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 20, 2023, 05:58:24 AM
I test rode a Griso once at Cadre.  It had been chipped with an aftermarket exhaust.  To say it was not a good citizen was an understatement.  Every time I took off, the sucker tried to rip my arms off.  It was loud, stinky (no cat) and uncomfortable for me and would not really take touring luggage and there was no real logical reason for it to exist except for one.  I could not stop smiling at every stop light.  That monster bike would scare old ladies and kids.  It probably would ultimately be outrun by a high horsepower inline 4 or modern multistratda but not in 1st gear.  So from 0-60 it was the modern equivilent of a Hemi Cuda.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: John in PA on March 20, 2023, 11:20:49 AM
Excellent in-depth explanation of design features of the new V100 engine and drive train. Worthwhile read.

https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/ (https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bigbikerrick on March 20, 2023, 11:51:06 AM
Thanks ,John. Very interesting read! As usual, Kevin Cameron hit a home run!
Rick.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on March 20, 2023, 12:16:18 PM
I test rode a Griso once at Cadre.  It had been chipped with an aftermarket exhaust.  To say it was not a good citizen was an understatement.  Every time I took off, the sucker tried to rip my arms off.  It was loud, stinky (no cat) and uncomfortable for me and would not really take touring luggage and there was no real logical reason for it to exist except for one.  I could not stop smiling at every stop light.  That monster bike would scare old ladies and kids.  It probably would ultimately be outrun by a high horsepower inline 4 or modern multistratda but not in 1st gear.  So from 0-60 it was the modern equivilent of a Hemi Cuda.

I've owned 2 different G8V models, although not that different much at all in terms of specs (2009 and 2014).  Even with mods like peg lowers, bar risers, etc. it's still not as applicable to any task as most Guzzis tend to be.  I found the ergos especially odd, maybe if you're an Italian fellow with a short inseam and long arms it would make better sense.  It's heavy too, takes a lot of effort to get it over and it doesn't suffer fools lightly - my surgically repaired shoulder will tell you this  :grin: Once lined up and leaned over in a curve it's steady as a rock but play the dumbass like me and you'll find yourself paying for it; it's not a flickable super naked and most of the modern naked bikes I've owned would eat it for breakfast in terms of outright power.  I think your 'Cuda analogy might be a good one.  It's probably not even in my top 3 or 4 MGs I've owned.  So why did I own two of them?  Because damnit, they are stunningly gorgeous and might just be THE most characterful and charismatic of any of the Guzzis I've had.   :thumb:   It worked best for me when I jut left all that other crap off it like lowers, windshield, risers, etc. and just let it be the machine it is.

   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 20, 2023, 03:33:53 PM
Kevin touched on the mitigation of torque reaction due the alternator drive shaft and downstream masses from said shaft, spinning in the opposite direction to the crank.
He stated it and he is to be disbelieved at one’s own peril…generally. I can take what he says as fact if I remember who he is and just agree, but I cannot UNDERSTAND why this is.
Yes, when all the masses are spinning and the input of energy is shut off (closed throttle), the decelerating masses will impart a rocking motion in the direction of the spinning mass…(our traditional Guzzi’s tilt counterclockwise from rider perspective) on overrun, that is predictable and clear.
Work is being done by the decelerating masses, a giant flywheel if you will.
So with the new Mandello ON OVERRUN, the combined masses spinning clockwise will tilt the bike clockwise and the (much lighter) alternator drive shaft and downstream components from it will tilt counterclockwise, so there will be some cancellation present.
However the alternator and driveshaft are a mere fraction of the weight of the main crankshaft and clutch componentry, so I suggest that the miracle of “reducing torque reaction by as much as 50%” is not due to this circumstance.
KC states that the Mandello has a lighter crankshaft, which is to be expected and I suggest it is this fact that has led to the reduction of torque effect, as the crank (with consequent less inertia), can be spun up to higher rpm with less of the familiar “tilt” acting in the opposite direction, that we all know so well.

Let me step back to utter basics if I may..

If you take the example of an electric drill and are using it to spin a shaft in a housing, let’s say full of components in oil, which has some resistance to to wanting to turn, you will feel a torque or “twisting” force in your wrist equal and opposite to the resistance of the shaft. If that shaft seizes, like when a drill bit jams, ALL of the torque from the electric motor will react in your hand and spin the tool in the reverse direction.
The armature will not spin inside the drill, the drill will spin around the armature. We all see what happens when a helicopter loses the big steadying hand (tail rotor) on the end of the lever (tail boom).
It will not matter how many reversing gears are contained within the housing, it is the resistance of the masses to rotation that is felt back through the electric drill, that’s where your sprained wrist come from… :sad:

Now..Walk over to your shiny new Mandello…

When you start it and it sits there at idle, the components are not experiencing any ACCELERATIONS so there is no induced TORQUE REACTION…Great..!
But when you add energy into the system (fuel), you are accelerating the masses up to a higher energy state and the resistance to that acceleration will make the crankcase want to rotate around the crankshaft, (remember the drill  analogy ?) in a direction and magnitude equal and opposite…(Newton).
I still contend that whatever direction or reversal of such, takes place downstream of the big ends of the con rods, it will not assist in mitigation of torque reaction under power.
I think that in a very small way, our hero has succumbed to the old, “everyone says it, so I’ll just skip lightly over it” thing.

Now, if I can just find my asbestos suit…. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 20, 2023, 03:50:48 PM

I still contend that whatever direction or reversal of such, takes place downstream of the big ends of the con rods, it will not assist in mitigation of torque reaction.
 

It will be interesting to hear from owners of these new machines.

Counter-rotating assemblies should counter torque reaction.  How much?  Well that is the question.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 20, 2023, 03:54:33 PM
It will be interesting to hear from owners of these new machines.

Counter-rotating assemblies should counter torque reaction.  How much?  Well that is the question.
It seems clear that there is less torque reaction, but not for the reasons that popular opinions suggest.
Less massive crankshaft = less torque reaction.
Owners will report less reaction, but will they be correct in knowing why…? Maybe… :clock:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on March 20, 2023, 04:45:33 PM
I'm with you on this one Huzo
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 20, 2023, 06:00:34 PM
I'm with you on this one Huzo
Thanks mate…
That helps.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 20, 2023, 08:11:39 PM
It will be interesting to hear from owners of these new machines.

Counter-rotating assemblies should counter torque reaction.  How much?  Well that is the question.

so far as goosing the throttle while sitting still, the bike dips to the left, not the right such as all the other Guzzis.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on March 20, 2023, 10:33:16 PM
I think Honda Motors would disagree with you. They stated the counter rotating clutch and gearbox cancelled out the torque reaction when they brought out a certain model Goldwing, I don't remember which one. They made a big deal about it. That bike is so damn heavy maybe the torque reaction didn't affect it that much anyway. Personally I don't know why people make such a big deal about this, on our current bikes it is a mere fraction of what my /2 and /5 BMWs exhibited. Lighter rotating assemblies have reduced this effect substantially. Shaft jacking is also basically non-existent compared to the short framed R75/5 I once owned.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 20, 2023, 11:06:28 PM
so far as goosing the throttle while sitting still, the bike dips to the left, not the right such as all the other Guzzis.
Could you enlighten us as to why that might be the case ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 20, 2023, 11:12:19 PM
I think Honda Motors would disagree with you. They stated the counter rotating clutch and gearbox cancelled out the torque reaction when they brought out a certain model Goldwing, I don't remember which one. They made a big deal about it. That bike is so damn heavy maybe the torque reaction didn't affect it that much anyway. Personally I don't know why people make such a big deal about this, on our current bikes it is a mere fraction of what my /2 and /5 BMWs exhibited. Lighter rotating assemblies have reduced this effect substantially. Shaft jacking is also basically non-existent compared to the short framed R75/5 I once owned.
kk
Clearly Honda will end up being correct and I won’t, as long as the claim they are making is clearly stated and not put through the filter of popular opinion and conventional wisdom then regurgitated as fact.
On overrun when energy is being taken out of the rotating masses, it will be imparted into the frame and yes, the clutch and gearbox internals will impart a torque in the opposite sense to the crank, so there will be some cancellation.
But that is not all of the story…
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 20, 2023, 11:18:25 PM
have you ridden a Mandello?  The bike tips to the left when goosed, the opposite way from a "real' Guzzi.
Nobody has said it won’t LR…
It’s because the engine spins the opposite bloody way…!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SLDMRossi on March 21, 2023, 08:49:23 AM
Ten days to go! See you there...

SR
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 21, 2023, 01:09:34 PM
Show of hands. Anyone else experiencing a bit of ambiguity from Moto Guzzi on their pre-order? Back in early November when I put my order in I received two emails in quick succession from Moto Guzzi USA/Canada confirming my pre-order. I made the order at the dealership and ordered some accessories at that time as well as I wanted everything on the bike when I picked it up. The dealer told me at that time to expect the bike in March and that I would receive an email from Moto Guzzi a few weeks before it arrives letting me know when to expect it. The dealer also said they will notify me when they get confirmation that it is in route to them and they would then call me.
Well, I have yet to get notice from Moto Guzzi that my bike is on the way But I have been notified by the dealer that they are expecting it in the next week or so.
I am super excited as I thought my order may had been placed to late to make the first batch of arrivals for North America. I incredulously asked the dealer if they were certain my bike was in route as I haven't received the delivery confirmation from Moto Guzzi yet. They thought that was odd but assured me that my bike was state side and on the way.
Just wanted to see if anyone else here has had a similar experience.

Skippy

I think the Green models are still in short supply.  The White one is perhaps the easiest to get?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 21, 2023, 01:54:26 PM
I’ll be interested to see what the reasons are, when the first used ones are offered up for sale.
I know one of the first gripes will be the screen.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on March 21, 2023, 03:31:58 PM
I rode the demo today, a white one.  If Guzzi were dogs, our air cooled bikes would be black labs.  Easy to approach, friendly and comfortable.  The V100 is a Greyhound.  It requires your full attention or you could find yourself in the weeds.  A great bike for sure, but I have grown to enjoy friendly and comfortable.  If I was 44 and not 64, I would be all over it.  Very modern feel to all inputs.  Obeys your commands instantly.  Many will love it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Duc-Duc-Goose on March 21, 2023, 11:05:05 PM
I rode the demo today, a white one.  If Guzzi were dogs, our air cooled bikes would be black labs.  Easy to approach, friendly and comfortable.  The V100 is a Greyhound.  It requires your full attention or you could find yourself in the weeds.  A great bike for sure, but I have grown to enjoy friendly and comfortable.  If I was 44 and not 64, I would be all over it.  Very modern feel to all inputs.  Obeys your commands instantly.  Many will love it.

I was also at Cadre today, picking up my Norge after new tires and pre-season service. I rode the white V100 as well. I took it on some of the twisties in Indian Hill, hoping I didn’t run into a Ranger. Handles well … feels … refined. The TFT menu system was very easy to navigate - intuitive (IMO). Even with the sun behind me, I could read it (I worried about this). I was able to get to the controls, and move the screen (rode mostly at full height), change modes (I preferred sport and touring from what I could tell). And, I witnessed the wings deploying, hehe. If I put my hand down next to a wing, I could get a sense of the diverted air flow - noticeable. For my 30” inseam, the seat height is acceptable, but, the lower seat would be better for me. Brakes - amazing. As for seating position - seat to handlebars to footpegs - is perfect, for me. Exhaust note is wonderful. What really impressed me was the slow speed stability… just creeping, ie, waiting for a light to go green, I could almost stop without putting feet down or jostling the bars left and right. Feels far more sophisticated than my Norge. So, the Norge and my Ducati ST3S are being traded for order #542 … a V100S Verde. I feel Guzzi has a winner here, as long as surprises don’t emerge. But, a two year warranty helps allay that fear. Cheers!

PS - those drips on the ground are not from the bike!😁
(https://i.ibb.co/cwk7d7p/B6-C3829-F-8300-40-E8-B82-C-928-D3-DB12-BAB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cwk7d7p)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on March 22, 2023, 02:06:47 PM
Kevin touched on the mitigation of torque reaction due the alternator drive shaft and downstream masses from said shaft, spinning in the opposite direction to the crank.
He stated it and he is to be disbelieved at one’s own peril…generally. I can take what he says as fact if I remember who he is and just agree, but I cannot UNDERSTAND why this is.
Yes, when all the masses are spinning and the input of energy is shut off (closed throttle), the decelerating masses will impart a rocking motion in the direction of the spinning mass…(our traditional Guzzi’s tilt counterclockwise from rider perspective) on overrun, that is predictable and clear.
Work is being done by the decelerating masses, a giant flywheel if you will.
So with the new Mandello ON OVERRUN, the combined masses spinning clockwise will tilt the bike clockwise and the (much lighter) alternator drive shaft and downstream components from it will tilt counterclockwise, so there will be some cancellation present.
However the alternator and driveshaft are a mere fraction of the weight of the main crankshaft and clutch componentry, so I suggest that the miracle of “reducing torque reaction by as much as 50%” is not due to this circumstance.
KC states that the Mandello has a lighter crankshaft, which is to be expected and I suggest it is this fact that has led to the reduction of torque effect, as the crank (with consequent less inertia), can be spun up to higher rpm with less of the familiar “tilt” acting in the opposite direction, that we all know so well.

Let me step back to utter basics if I may..

If you take the example of an electric drill and are using it to spin a shaft in a housing, let’s say full of components in oil, which has some resistance to to wanting to turn, you will feel a torque or “twisting” force in your wrist equal and opposite to the resistance of the shaft. If that shaft seizes, like when a drill bit jams, ALL of the torque from the electric motor will react in your hand and spin the tool in the reverse direction.
The armature will not spin inside the drill, the drill will spin around the armature. We all see what happens when a helicopter loses the big steadying hand (tail rotor) on the end of the lever (tail boom).
It will not matter how many reversing gears are contained within the housing, it is the resistance of the masses to rotation that is felt back through the electric drill, that’s where your sprained wrist come from… :sad:

Now..Walk over to your shiny new Mandello…

When you start it and it sits there at idle, the components are not experiencing any ACCELERATIONS so there is no induced TORQUE REACTION…Great..!
But when you add energy into the system (fuel), you are accelerating the masses up to a higher energy state and the resistance to that acceleration will make the crankcase want to rotate around the crankshaft, (remember the drill  analogy ?) in a direction and magnitude equal and opposite…(Newton).
I still contend that whatever direction or reversal of such, takes place downstream of the big ends of the con rods, it will not assist in mitigation of torque reaction under power.
I think that in a very small way, our hero has succumbed to the old, “everyone says it, so I’ll just skip lightly over it” thing.

Now, if I can just find my asbestos suit…. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Well, with that blather you obviously have plenty of timê on your hands to find that asbestos suit  :shocked: :cool: :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on March 22, 2023, 02:25:34 PM
I’ll be interested to see what the reasons are, when the first used ones are offered up for sale.
I know one of the first gripes will be the screen.

Huzo,

This one's for you:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1795630270709120

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: th_01 on March 22, 2023, 09:45:17 PM
I rode a demo V100 at AJ's Cycle in MA.   This is not your Grandpa's Moto Guzzi. 
Before you pontificate on the effects of torque, wind, noise , comfort, shifting ride one. 

The V100 a completely refined machine.  Plenty of legroom, comfortable seat, easy to ride, quick and flickable handling,
A nice rumble without being offensive, Readable dash screen , adjustable suspension , The windscreen works very well (6ft rider)
The V100 handles traffic and slow roads very well.  Accelerates quickly no stuttering at all.  The ride is very balance in weight  and handling. 
The seating position is fairly upright.   
It is twisted steel and sex appeal.

Kudos to the engineers that created this machine

I bought one.

(https://i.ibb.co/hXKk6GS/20230321-132614.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hXKk6GS)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Duc-Duc-Goose on March 22, 2023, 11:56:29 PM
Well, there seems to be a consensus so far - the V100 is a step forward for Guzzi and by far the majority of reviews I’ve seen are very positive. The “cons” are few … low gears in auto shift being one that comes up. I“ll be anxious to see for myself when mine comes in. The guy in this pic said he hit second gear and look what happened! (j/k) This was from a Super Bike Channel review. They liked it. It seems there is a common thread of excitement in the riders’ voices… giggling, laughing, “Oh my God,” “Bueno,” and such… that’s the kind of bike I hope it is. My demo ride yesterday at Cadre (Cincinnati) leans in that direction. Back to making my accessory list. :cheesy:

(https://i.ibb.co/sVK2j0K/D6-EFE28-E-B324-4853-8-AB4-C11-D88-E1-EDC9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sVK2j0K)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on March 23, 2023, 02:17:56 AM
I've owned 2 different G8V models, although not that different much at all in terms of specs (2009 and 2014).  Even with mods like peg lowers, bar risers, etc. it's still not as applicable to any task as most Guzzis tend to be.  I found the ergos especially odd, maybe if you're an Italian fellow with a short inseam and long arms it would make better sense.  It's heavy too, takes a lot of effort to get it over and it doesn't suffer fools lightly - my surgically repaired shoulder will tell you this  :grin: Once lined up and leaned over in a curve it's steady as a rock but play the dumbass like me and you'll find yourself paying for it; it's not a flickable super naked and most of the modern naked bikes I've owned would eat it for breakfast in terms of outright power.  I think your 'Cuda analogy might be a good one.  It's probably not even in my top 3 or 4 MGs I've owned.  So why did I own two of them?  Because damnit, they are stunningly gorgeous and might just be THE most characterful and charismatic of any of the Guzzis I've had.   :thumb:   It worked best for me when I jut left all that other crap off it like lowers, windshield, risers, etc. and just let it be the machine it is.

   

I've owned 3 CARC series bikes, a 4v 1100 Griso, 8v Norge,. And 4V 1200 Sport. For whatever reason I prefer the older 4V motors over the higher output of the 8V, especially the 1100 in the GRISO..... The 'character' is just perfect if a bit down in power by comparison. YMMV.

This, I sold the 8v motored Norge and kept the 4v motored 1100 Griso and 1200 Sport.

Over time I've found tire pressure and suspension settings that make the bikes more 'flickable' while still stable. The GRiSO and Breva chassis are surprisingly Night and Day in feel, feedback and response. The Griso is raw and sharp edged, the 1200 Sport/Breva is velvety. Even the clutch and brakes are sharper and 'harder' and more direct. I'm looking forward to comparing the V100. From what I've been reading my interpretation and expectation is the V100 will be between the two. But heck, it's new and I have 15K on the Griso and 80K on the 1200 Sport. Obviously the V100 is up on power, but higher in the rev range.

Though very close in curb weight, the Griso feels like a feather weight compared to the 1200 Sport. Mainly I think due to the taller tank profile. I imagine the V100 will feel even lighter given it's smaller wheelbase, etc. The Griso is a long bike....
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: th_01 on March 23, 2023, 07:36:50 AM
The V100 is a built from the ground up new motorcycle.  Trying to compare the V100 , although tempting,
 to previous Moto Guzzi's  is the wrong way to look at it.  The influence of Aprilia engineering is apparent
throughout.  They kept the soul of Moto Guzzi and brought it into the future. This is the first bike in years f
rom any manufacturer that really peaked my interest.

The overall balance of the attributes we enjoyed with previous models combined with performance ,
 finish, feel, comfort and handling make this a winner. 





Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 23, 2023, 08:01:39 AM
I rode a demo V100 at AJ's Cycle in MA.   This is not your Grandpa's Moto Guzzi. 
Before you pontificate on the effects of torque, wind, noise , comfort, shifting ride one. 

The V100 a completely refined machine.  Plenty of legroom, comfortable seat, easy to ride, quick and flickable handling,
A nice rumble without being offensive, Readable dash screen , adjustable suspension , The windscreen works very well (6ft rider)
The V100 handles traffic and slow roads very well.  Accelerates quickly no stuttering at all.  The ride is very balance in weight  and handling. 
The seating position is fairly upright.   
It is twisted steel and sex appeal.

Kudos to the engineers that created this machine

I bought one.

(https://i.ibb.co/hXKk6GS/20230321-132614.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hXKk6GS)


Congrats Tom, good luck with the bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on March 24, 2023, 02:20:51 AM
was reading on the ghetto about some isolated reports of alternators being unconnected, paint flaking and a rocker arm coming loose in the engine

fingers crossed it's just one or two bikes, but if I had one I'd be laying a multimeter across the battery and firing it up just to make sure it's charging.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 24, 2023, 07:40:00 AM
was reading on the ghetto about some isolated reports of alternators being unconnected, paint flaking and a rocker arm coming loose in the engine

fingers crossed it's just one or two bikes, but if I had one I'd be laying a multimeter across the battery and firing it up just to make sure it's charging.

I’ve seen the paint flaking photos but not the alternator problem, easy fix compared to the engine paint. Someone was complaining about the headlights at night but others have said that they were fine and the complainer’s lights must not be adjusted correctly and or the settings needed to be amended.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on March 25, 2023, 06:53:14 PM
I saw my first MG V100 in the wild today about 11:30 while riding my Aprilia Tuareg NE bound about 2 miles from the top of the pass between Winkelman and Globe AZ.  Green and gold S model.  Boy do those gold valve covers catch your eye when it's coming toward you.  Was it anyone on the forum?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Jorg66 on March 26, 2023, 10:09:29 AM
First impression of the V 100 Mandello yesterday in Winnipeg/ MB at a Car and Motorcylce show.
Fit and Finish ,A1 ,could only sit on it ,well I'm 6'1" with 'Winterweight of 210 lbs , feels a little tight for me on the Knees.
It was a 'red one' apparently first Mandello in Canada,.... but 'the best wife ever' isn't to fond of it ,...two up might be little tight ,at least for us.
But will go for a test ride later on this year.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on March 26, 2023, 12:14:26 PM
I dropped by my local dealer yesterday to see if they had received any.  There was a white one on the floor and a S model being picked up by its new owner and I watched the salesman demo all the bells and whistles.  The fit and finish looked impeccable.  Sat on the white one and the riding position seemed acceptable but a ride would be needed to confirm that.  A few observations from my perspective - the pillion sits pretty tall and requires a high leg lift to get over, seemingly almost as tall as my V85.  I have never understood that for a non-ADV bike as it seems that it would be less stable than with a flatter seat as there is plenty of tire clearance and the passenger pegs require a high step up too. Crash bars and the exhaust/head guard (both were on the S model) are absolutely needed - if it were to go down, I wouldn't want to think about the cost of a full head/exhaust replacement.  The front forks looked a little spindly and the muffler looked out of place - why couldn't Guzzi have come up with something that flowed better with the lines of the bike?  All in all a fine looking motorsickle and I do eventually want to do a test ride, but I hope that they have a California replacement on the drawing board as that is more my style for long range touring.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Phil/TX on March 28, 2023, 04:29:04 PM
Any one put a tank bag on their v100 ??? Best option?



Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on March 28, 2023, 07:27:04 PM
http://www.iscracerstape.com/

Trust me AND the 5 Star review this stuff got at the former great publication MotorCycle Consumer News.  Use this stuff ALL OVER-it's fantastic and leaves ZERO marks or residue even after years.  Under a tank bag with stop any marks before they happen.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: vintagehoarder on March 29, 2023, 04:14:03 PM
I noticed that cadre motorcycles now has the V100 owners manual on their website.

https://cadrecycle.com/moto-guzzi-owners-manuals-2/  (https://cadrecycle.com/moto-guzzi-owners-manuals-2/)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on March 29, 2023, 04:50:20 PM
oh dear... reports of leaking radiators and /or hoses, new purchasers and owners check this!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tkelly on March 29, 2023, 05:16:26 PM
Top Gear Motorsports in Roselle IL is unveiling the Mandello Saturday with free lunch at noon.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 29, 2023, 11:04:29 PM
I noticed that cadre motorcycles now has the V100 owners manual on their website.

https://cadrecycle.com/moto-guzzi-owners-manuals-2/  (https://cadrecycle.com/moto-guzzi-owners-manuals-2/)

Thanks for that.  The manual says it’s OK to check the oil yourself but if the oil level is low that you need to take it to an authorized dealer to have it topped up.  I’m not kidding…  :rolleyes: BTW the engine does not have an oil level sight glass, just an old style dipstick.

And naturally the dashboard service icon can be only be reset by an Piaggio authorized dealer “after they have performed the service”.  The way it’s written appears to imply Piaggio coercion of the dealer into refusing to reset it for an owner doing oil changes on his bike.  I bet the dealer mechanic has to certify that he did the work in the Piaggio software to reset the light, and that Piaggio maintains the record of him doing so. That might fly in Europe but I don’t think so in the US. 

I really wish this practice would make it into US courts, and it’s pushing me away from European manufacturers.  As far as I can tell the Japanese manufacturers are not going down this road - they have a light but it can be reset by the owner after he completes work on his bike. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 30, 2023, 06:37:06 AM
Have a nice day guys…. :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on March 30, 2023, 09:41:14 AM
Thanks for that.  The manual says it’s OK to check the oil yourself but if the oil level is low that you need to take it to an authorized dealer to have it topped up.  I’m not kidding…  :rolleyes: BTW the engine does not have an oil level sight glass, just an old style dipstick.

And naturally the dashboard service icon can be only be reset by an Piaggio authorized dealer “after they have performed the service”.  The way it’s written appears to imply Piaggio coercion of the dealer into refusing to reset it for an owner doing oil changes on his bike.  I bet the dealer mechanic has to certify that he did the work in the Piaggio software to reset the light, and that Piaggio maintains the record of him doing so. That might fly in Europe but I don’t think so in the US. 

I really wish this practice would make it into US courts, and it’s pushing me away from European manufacturers.  As far as I can tell the Japanese manufacturers are not going down this road - they have a light but it can be reset by the owner after he completes work on his bike.

I think some of these bikes are overfilled from the factory, don't know why.  It was shown on one of the videos that the oil would come out the crankcase when attempting to check the oil on the side stand.  The local shop guy mentioned that the first bike he set up was about a quart overfilled.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on March 30, 2023, 11:07:53 AM
Stop nitpicking based on anecdotal, second or third hand stories of whoa.  Most if not all of you guys going negative, are never going to own one of these anyway. 

PS. Tusayan, the Mandelo clearly has a sight glass, try looking at the bike before criticizing it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on March 30, 2023, 11:25:41 AM
Badchad, not sure if that was aimed at me?

I'm firmly in the market for one of these and very much looking forward to guzzi sorting out the issues. 2 people  reported the same issue regarding the coolant and posted some pretty worrying looking pics. I thought I'd share that info with new owners so that a possible hypothetical disaster could be avoided.

Ride safe everyone
 :thumb:

 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on March 30, 2023, 11:52:33 AM
Owner's manual page 17, detail 27: Engine oil level inspection port

I've read two reports of leaking radiator fluid and they said it had something to do with the engine part for the radiator hose. And I've seen a couple of photo's of the flaking engine paint on the timing cover.  None of this is surprising for a new production bike. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 30, 2023, 02:15:04 PM
Thanks for the info on the oil window, that's a good thing but I wonder for what reason they also included a dipstick and recommend using it instead to check the oil level, on page 146?

(https://i.ibb.co/kJV8gDw/F60-D13-FA-7-B48-4-CE2-8-CE6-2-E4-DA5569042.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kJV8gDw)

I rode one and I think my ST4 is better for me overall, in combination with a Guzzi that I can quickly service myself, like my V85TT.    The only current solution to the service light insanity on either of the newer Guzzis is to ignore the light.  Hardly ideal but it's better than submitting any bike I own to the typical dealer service gorillas. 

I'm still laughing about the Piaggio direction to take the bike to the dealer to have them top up the engine oil.  These people live on another planet.  :grin:
 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on March 30, 2023, 04:21:25 PM
Thanks for the info on the oil window, that's a good thing but I wonder what they also included a dipstick and recommend using it instead to check the oil level on page 146?

(https://i.ibb.co/kJV8gDw/F60-D13-FA-7-B48-4-CE2-8-CE6-2-E4-DA5569042.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kJV8gDw)

I rode one and I think my ST4 is better for me overall, in combination with a Guzzi that I can quickly service myself, like my V85TT.    The only current solution to the service light insanity on either of the newer Guzzis is to ignore the light.  Hardly ideal but it's better than submitting any bike I own to the typical dealer service gorillas. 

I'm still laughing about the Piaggio direction to take the bike to the dealer to have them top up the engine oil.  These people live on another planet.  :grin:
 

Sadly, the traditional Guzzi Owner is a dying breed.......... WAY too many younger and new riders (AKA Lemmings) will read that and think the MUST bring it to the dealer, and will........

I haven't seen the V100 to visually check myself, but I have seen several posts mention that it does and and others that say it does NOT have a sight glass as the V85 does.

If it doesn't that's a real shame. I can accept that my 1976 doesn't have one, but have been frustrated that my other more 'modern' Guzzi's do not. My 1997 C-10 Concours and 2005 FJR both had them.  No excuse if Guzzi does not. But hey why would we need one?  The "Authorized" dealer is the only one capable of checking and adding oil  :cool:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on March 30, 2023, 04:56:11 PM
I think some of these bikes are overfilled from the factory, don't know why.  It was shown on one of the videos that the oil would come out the crankcase when attempting to check the oil on the side stand.  The local shop guy mentioned that the first bike he set up was about a quart overfilled.

The owner's manual reads:
Engine oil level check (04_01, 04_02)

• Shut off the engine and wait a few seconds;
Keep the vehicle upright with both wheels on the ground;
• Make sure that the vehicle is on a level surface;
• Unscrew the oil filler cap with dipstick;

So why would anyone check the oil level on the sidestand?  :shocked:

PS. Tusayan, the Mandelo clearly has a sight glass, try looking at the bike before criticizing it.

So Chad, where is the sight glass on the V100 (owned by "Florida Lime" on ADV Rider) in this photo? There's a spot for one, but it's not there.

(https://i.ibb.co/Xp0rLsP/V100-Mandello-S.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xp0rLsP)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 30, 2023, 05:11:47 PM
So Chad, where is the sight glass on the V100 (owned by "Florida Lime" on ADV Rider) in this photo? There's a spot for one, but it's not there.

That explains that.   :thumb:  Same thing on the factory website photos.  A review of photos on the net indicates they deleted the sight glass on production bikes, I'd suppose because it proved to be unreliable, and used a dipstick instead as per the owners manual instructions. 

Since the bike has a dipstick but no center stand, the practical way to check the oil while holding the bike vertical will be with a race stand.  Checking oil level on the road will likely require a helper.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: NWrider on March 30, 2023, 06:29:40 PM
If the V100's dipstick is on the same side as the kickstand then my method of checking the oil level on my Aprilia Tuareg won't work.   My recent experience with the Aprilia Tuareg is that, in spite of having a dipstick that, being black, is very hard to see oil on, my procedure is to place it with the kickstand down then unscrew the dipstick, wipe it clean, then place the dipstick in the hole without screwing it in.  Then stand along side and bring the bike upright, lean the bike back on the kickstand and pull the dipstick.  This is repeatable on the Tuareg.   However, the dipstick is on the opposite side from the kickstand.   I much prefer the sight glass on my V85TT.   

Reminds me of my 2007 Norge that required removal of part of the lower fairing just to check the oil --- so not the first time Guzzi has dropped the ball.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on March 30, 2023, 06:58:14 PM
Okay, I will have to eat crow, when it comes to the sight glass, at least on some production v100.  Clearly there is a number, perhaps all North American v100 do not have a sight glass, to my dismay.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 30, 2023, 07:59:16 PM
The oil level sight glass is not present on any production V100s, only pre-production bikes appear to have had it.  This issue would not be related to one particular national market, more likely that the location and size of the sight glass didn’t function well when tested by the factory. Here’s a link to a photo of a bike in stock at Teo Lamers, in Holland. Note that the sight glass is not present.

https://tlm.nl/moto-guzzi-triumph/32660459-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-bianco-polare-32660459?sku=32660459&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2qyo5fqE_gIVyG1vBB0VUwOCEAQYAiABEgLv8PD_BwE

@NWrider, that is an ingenious way to check the oil solo when the dipstick on a sidestand-only bike is on the right side of the bike!  When it’s on the left we have to do what we do on e.g. my Daytona RS, which is buy a race stand.

I note that the V100 has 4.9 liter oil capacity or slightly over 5 quarts.  That’s a lot and likely means you could ride it on a pretty long trip without checking the oil, if it burns oil.  Very different than the small blocks with their less than 2 liter capacity. More expensive to change the oil though.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Yan on March 30, 2023, 09:52:32 PM
@NWrider, that is an ingenious way to check the oil solo when the dipstick on a sidestand-only bike is on the right side of the bike!  When it’s on the left we have to do what we do on e.g. my Daytona RS, which is buy a race stand.

Or you could do what I do with my Griso: do the oil-level checking while keeping the bike upright by sitting on it (with both feet on the ground).  It is advisable to unfasten the dipstick beforehand, but other than that it is a very easy method.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on March 30, 2023, 10:28:46 PM
Why not just put a mark on the dipstick so one can check it on the side stand?   "level" isn't magic...What am I missing here?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 30, 2023, 10:41:22 PM
Why not just put a mark on the dipstick so one can check it on the side stand?   "level" isn't magic...What am I missing here?

Black plastic dipsticks are a bit harder to mark than the older steel type.  Also the oil level may be very high on the dipstick when the bike is on the side stand.  I think you’d have to try it.

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on March 31, 2023, 05:39:30 AM
Black plastic dipsticks are a bit harder to mark than the older steel type.  Also the oil level may be very high on the dipstick when the bike is on the side stand. 
Well yes but if you made a nick with a hacksaw, that might work.
You could check the level on the sidestand and mark it appropriately.

I can see it now…(wavy dream sequence and distant harp music…)
“V100 Mandello for sale, owned 6 months, 1,200 miles, balance of new bike warranty…
I liked the bike but didn’t bond with the dipstick…. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rtbickel on March 31, 2023, 09:41:29 AM
I seem to remember that when I was watching the salesman show the new owner how to check the oil the other day that the dipstick was white, but I could be mistaken.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on March 31, 2023, 10:18:58 AM
I painted mine white. Helps a great deal. Also I have a sight glass on my Triumph, which I hate. On the road I have to find something to put under the side stand to get the bike close to level to check the oil. I have no problem sitting on the bike to hold it upright to use a dipstick. Furthermore why do we need a tool to remove the cap. Of all the bikes I have owned I kept the cap hand tight and never had a problem. Am I missing something?
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 31, 2023, 10:36:43 AM
A centerstand is the solution for many things, including checking the oil in an accurate and repeatable way.  Also for cleaning the wheels and loading bags. Only three bikes of my nine don’t have a centerstand (996, belt SS and SV650) and although each is stored on a race stand at home and those three aren’t touring bikes I’d still prefer it to be nine out of nine. I’d also prefer all nine to have an oil level sight glass.

PS forgot the Daytona RS, so it’s four out of nine in my garage.  Still under half and better that way.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on March 31, 2023, 10:39:58 AM
Looks like I cross-threaded my post somewhat. The wrench comment belongs elsewhere. I am old so I get lost easily.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on March 31, 2023, 11:15:13 AM
I drilled two tiny holes my plastic dipstick on the mighty griso, works well
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tusayan on March 31, 2023, 01:45:47 PM
Here’s the factory center stand option for the V100

https://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/accessories/vehicle-accessories/safety-parking/centre-stand-v100-2s001998/

Nice to see it listed.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on March 31, 2023, 03:48:32 PM
I promise that I am not usually 'that guy' to see things at this level of attention, but I was looking (ok, drooling over) pictures of the V100 on the motoguzzi dot com official site.  Drive down to the V100 S, and expand it (side view).  Click between Verde and Grigio and you can see the oil sight glass on the Verde is gone on the Grigio. 

Coincidence?  Or conspiracy? lol.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on April 02, 2023, 11:10:38 AM
Mark your calendars , April 1st,,,,,,,, Top Gear Power Sports is unveiling the new Guzzi V100 , come on down and get a free lunch too
(https://i.ibb.co/Mpph5Cd/Guzzi-Open-House.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Mpph5Cd)

A few pics sent to me from Burd


(https://i.ibb.co/SBBCffR/V100.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SBBCffR)


(https://i.ibb.co/tQ019ct/V100-a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tQ019ct)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on April 02, 2023, 11:28:13 AM
I do like the red even if it's not the "S" model.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on April 02, 2023, 01:41:00 PM
Big turn out, must have been over 25 folks or more, very well done, lot's of folks from 100s of miles away!!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: guzzisteve on April 02, 2023, 03:20:05 PM
How bout their wrench, been to school yet, got software to reset the lil wings when they don't work?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sdcr on April 02, 2023, 03:35:31 PM
I do like the red even if it's not the "S" model.

+1
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on April 02, 2023, 05:23:15 PM
+1

That's a valid question Steve.  I didn't get a clear answer, but I'm going to pursue it.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on April 03, 2023, 07:28:59 AM
I do like the red even if it's not the "S" model.

Yes, a red one with Ohlins suspension and gold rims.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on April 03, 2023, 06:24:29 PM
I had placed a deposit on the v100 s model back in December to secure one of the first arrivals at our local dealer.  Well, they have arrived and I have decide to say goodby to my 2016 Tuono factory. The Tuono is undoubtably the best handling chassis of any bike I've ridden. The problem with it is it is ridiculously overpowered for the street riding that I do.  Two thirds of the power band was unusable without breaking the law so, as intoxicating as it may be ,it needs to go.  I am in hopes that the Mandello will be a  lot similar to my beloved 08 Griso 8v  with a bit more comfortable ride position and a few creature comforts. I have no illusions about it being a two up tourer, but hope it will fill a solo niche somewhere in between the Griso and Tuono. Time will tell. I had considered a 1200 RS beemer but really prefer to stick with Motoguzzi for all the reasons that go without saying.  I should take delivery in a week or two and will be sure to convey my first impressions after some ride time.  I have not test ridden one, or even seen one in the flesh, but have had many conversations with the dealer who has always been first rate . Many reviews seem to place it in the  ST/ roadster space which is  what I am hoping for. The griso stays for now but maybe the next one to hit the classifieds.  :cry:


Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: HarveyMushman on April 03, 2023, 07:00:40 PM
I had placed a deposit on the v100 s model back in December to secure one of the first arrivals at our local dealer.  Well, they have arrived and I have decide to say goodby to my 2016 Tuono factory. The Tuono is undoubtably the best handling chassis of any bike I've ridden. The problem with it is it is ridiculously overpowered for the street riding that I do.  Two thirds of the power band was unusable without breaking the law so, as intoxicating as it may be ,it needs to go.  I am in hopes that the Mandello will be a  lot similar to my beloved 08 Griso 8v  with a bit more comfortable ride position and a few creature comforts. I have no illusions about it being a two up tourer, but hope it will fill a solo niche somewhere in between the Griso and Tuono. Time will tell. I had considered a 1200 RS beemer but really prefer to stick with Motoguzzi for all the reasons that go without saying.  I should take delivery in a week or two and will be sure to convey my first impressions after some ride time.  I have not test ridden one, or even seen one in the flesh, but have had many conversations with the dealer who has always been first rate . Many reviews seem to place it in the  ST/ roadster space which is  what I am hoping for. The griso stays for now but maybe the next one to hit the classifieds.  :cry:

Moto Guzzi
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on April 03, 2023, 07:06:16 PM
Moto Guzzi

      OOPS !    I beg forgiveness
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on April 03, 2023, 09:12:50 PM
Lucian:

I am pretty sure that you will like it.  My son had a multi strada that was so overpowered it was twitchy.  It was not enjoyable to ride.  It had a de-power switch which took it down to about 100.  It was still difficult to enjoy and I never did and he didn't really either.  The V100 combines a great chassis, fine riding position, vey high level of refinement with very usable power and plenty of it as far as I am concerned.  For me, at my stage, it was not twitchy as the multi had been, but seemed like it would still demand enough rider attention that I could not enjoy the ride but it sounds right up your alley as you still enjoy a challenging bike.  Don't get me wrong, I used to love those kinds of bikes and had a few and they were great then.
Do let us hear about your adventures.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on April 04, 2023, 05:42:34 AM
Lucian:

I am pretty sure that you will like it.  My son had a multi strada that was so overpowered it was twitchy.  It was not enjoyable to ride.  It had a de-power switch which took it down to about 100.  It was still difficult to enjoy and I never did and he didn't really either.  The V100 combines a great chassis, fine riding position, vey high level of refinement with very usable power and plenty of it as far as I am concerned.  For me, at my stage, it was not twitchy as the multi had been, but seemed like it would still demand enough rider attention that I could not enjoy the ride but it sounds right up your alley as you still enjoy a challenging bike.  Don't get me wrong, I used to love those kinds of bikes and had a few and they were great then.
Do let us hear about your adventures.
          Thank you Blu guzz for sharing your honest thoughts.  I'm looking forward to being a test dummy for the new model. I am in hopes it will  fill a couple duties that have always seemed to take more than one bike to fill.  Do I need 112 HP? Probably not ,but I definitely do not need 175 hp! I completely understand your points on the Multi.  Stay well ,
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on April 15, 2023, 06:53:38 AM
If you look at You tube videos, you will notice and incredible outpouring of good will toward this bike.  The V85 initially received a lot of love, still does and it is a good seller by Guzzi standards.  But, I have to wonder if this is finally the bike that will cause the brand to break out of its tiny niche market share. That prospect has its pros and cons for me.  Our current little Guzzi family is tight knit partly, because the bikes are not mainstream. Until now, it has kind of been like our little secret.  Some interesting things to watch:  Will they have to build another factory if this bike takes off?  Or, does Aprilia have room for additional capacity?  Will quality control become an issue again as they race to get more bikes out the door? Will our dealers be able to successfully manage a bike that is in high demand? Could this be a "halo" bike that brings people in the door who decide it is not for them, but buy a different bike instead?  It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on April 15, 2023, 10:05:08 AM
If you look at You tube videos, you will notice and incredible outpouring of good will toward this bike.  The V85 initially received a lot of love, still does and it is a good seller by Guzzi standards.  But, I have to wonder if this is finally the bike that will cause the brand to break out of its tiny niche market share. That prospect has its pros and cons for me.  Our current little Guzzi family is tight knit partly, because the bikes are not mainstream. Until now, it has kind of been like our little secret.  Some interesting things to watch:  Will they have to build another factory if this bike takes off?  Or, does Aprilia have room for additional capacity?  Will quality control become an issue again as they race to get more bikes out the door? Will our dealers be able to successfully manage a bike that is in high demand? Could this be a "halo" bike that brings people in the door who decide it is not for them, but buy a different bike instead?  It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

In the mid-1970s, the factory in Mandello del Lario cranked out 50,000 bikes per year.  Much of the square footage is idle at the factory, and I'm sure additional lines could be added as necessary.

Mainstream acceptance would absolutely change the "Guzzi Family".  Good or bad, we would have to wait and see.  BMW, Ducati, and Triumph have gone through this.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on April 15, 2023, 11:01:14 AM
Rocker:  I had forgotten about their past production numbers.  I can't imagine them ever selling in those numbers again.  Maybe then, the limits would be the same limits others are feeling right now, workforce numbers, parts availability?  It's a good problem for them to have if it comes to be.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on April 15, 2023, 11:50:54 AM
If it helps with survival then that is a good thing. A few years ago I though Chrysler should remain being kind of a niche company kind of like it was during the Lutz years. But in recent years it has become more of an economy through scale company. Meaning purchasing power, sharing technology, platforms etc. By combining with Fiat and Peugeot they have become one of the larger auto manufacturers in the world. Moto Guzzi being part of the Piaggio is a good thing now if they can straighten out the whole dealer network thing, parts, service, sales, warranty issues etc would do a lot for the group.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Joliet Jim on April 15, 2023, 12:32:19 PM
Moto Guzzi being part of the Piaggio is a good thing now if they can straighten out the whole dealer network thing, parts, service, sales, warranty issues etc would do a lot for the group.
kk
Well Aprilia bought Guzzi in 01 I think and shortly thereafter Piaggio bought Aprilia. So they've had about 20 years to straighten it out. But hey we can always hope.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on April 15, 2023, 07:28:33 PM
If it helps with survival then that is a good thing. A few years ago I though Chrysler should remain being kind of a niche company kind of like it was during the Lutz years. But in recent years it has become more of an economy through scale company. Meaning purchasing power, sharing technology, platforms etc. By combining with Fiat and Peugeot they have become one of the larger auto manufacturers in the world. Moto Guzzi being part of the Piaggio is a good thing now if they can straighten out the whole dealer network thing, parts, service, sales, warranty issues etc would do a lot for the group.
kk

Were it not for Jeep (and Ram Trucks along with the Challenger/Charger to some degree) Chrysler would have been (and is largely) DEAD..... The Brand benefitted from the Daimler partnership (Witness the Grand Cherokee, Challenger/Charger built on old Mercedes platforms), and the whole FIAT thing seems to be benefiting the Brand. The new small Dodge SUV is actually an Alpha Romeo. There was some talk of the next Challenger being a 2 door Gulia which would have been awesome if they kept the V8, but the treehuggers won out and they are saying the next generation will be electric..... I don't mind the ADDITION of electric as an option, and even encouraged, but Electric ONLY  come on................. ..
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on April 15, 2023, 09:26:52 PM
It is looking like the next Charger will have a straight six. Performance models will have a single or twin turbos. There will also be the option of an electric motor as well as the gas engine. I haven't heard anything about pure electric vehicles but I may be wrong about that. Chrysler is like Moto Guzzi been going out of business since forever but continues to stay alive.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on April 15, 2023, 09:33:30 PM
It is looking like the next Charger will have a straight six. Performance models will have a single or twin turbos. There will also be the option of an electric motor as well as the gas engine. I haven't heard anything about pure electric vehicles but I may be wrong about that. Chrysler is like Moto Guzzi been going out of business since forever but continues to stay alive.
kk

That's good to hear. I don't follow Mopar closely, but prior to the Hurricane motor, they were talking all electric. Glad to hear they are at least keeping some Gas. That is a STOUT motor. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2023-jeep-wagoneer-l-hurricane-i-6-first-test-review/

I'm fighting off trading my Tundra for a Wagoneer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on April 15, 2023, 10:17:39 PM
It is looking like the next Charger will have a straight six. Performance models will have a single or twin turbos. There will also be the option of an electric motor as well as the gas engine. I haven't heard anything about pure electric vehicles but I may be wrong about that. Chrysler is like Moto Guzzi been going out of business since forever but continues to stay alive.
kk

I read Ford was coming out with 1 litre turbo triple with 150hp.  Seems everyone has a couple 4 cyl turbos that make 200-350hp now and go into full size SUVs and sports sedans.  Interesting stuff. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on April 16, 2023, 08:34:31 AM
Steve, I'm sure talking about an Opal  was just temporary insanity! But, trading a Tundra for ***(I can't bear to say it). You've spent too much time in the sun overseas!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on April 16, 2023, 04:56:16 PM
Done deal, Tuono traded for v100 .  Haven't ridden it yet but will posts all the
+and - impressions soon.  Working on a small mod to the shift lever as it was a bit short for my boots. Aside from that, it seems very well put together and is larger in the flesh than I was expecting. Plenty of room for two and the ergos seem quite comfortable to me . I loved the tuono for what it was but saner thoughts prevailed after just 5,000 miles of ownership. More soon.
 



(https://i.ibb.co/LpjpQSk/60-D35-C90-372-D-4-BA8-847-D-290-C4933-A1-DC-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LpjpQSk)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on April 16, 2023, 07:32:57 PM
Congratulations Lucian and other owners.
Wish y’all nothing but the best.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on April 16, 2023, 07:59:27 PM
Thanks Pete, hoping it checks the boxes between ST and  roadster. Don't believe all the reviews, it is not a small motorcycle despite its 58" wheelbase. Appreciate the good wishes :boozing:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on April 16, 2023, 11:41:01 PM
I’m a bit too far into my Norge to consider a V100 yet.
From what I see, I’d damn well better not ride one of the buggers…!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on April 17, 2023, 05:11:22 PM
Shifter extender done, if it stops raining I'll take her for a spin

(https://i.ibb.co/HPQ3prD/2-DF21182-E97-E-4-DB7-B775-3-D9-EC2118-FFB-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HPQ3prD)


(https://i.ibb.co/frmMB62/0-DD11-EA7-5-E55-4-A2-E-8-C24-8-D87545-E9-CE7-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/frmMB62)


(https://i.ibb.co/vHpbcn1/C64-F2-C57-6-C29-422-C-B43-A-1-BAC1-A339-C98-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vHpbcn1)


(https://i.ibb.co/qyLqB1h/D914073-B-CFE0-477-F-BB12-550-DA43884-D6-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qyLqB1h)


(https://i.ibb.co/1X30kk7/1-F6-C3636-B6-F7-41-BE-812-D-9-F4379-F91029-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1X30kk7)


(https://i.ibb.co/wCBBXGb/32-F49-F2-C-EF59-440-E-BC7-C-430-CDA43351-E-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wCBBXGb)


(https://i.ibb.co/LtH0DFz/CD814-DFA-824-A-4394-A173-E2-BD1178-BCA3-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LtH0DFz)


(https://i.ibb.co/7VMrDK1/E5-ADCA68-8759-4-F10-A84-C-C14953-AC3-E69-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7VMrDK1)


(https://i.ibb.co/MVRPm7F/AE4303-B4-8379-4-CB2-B0-FB-5-B0064813-C69-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MVRPm7F)


(https://i.ibb.co/fp6JVps/C5-D13-B81-5-ED0-4-B43-9635-957433096-FAC-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fp6JVps)


(https://i.ibb.co/z50mxBx/4211-D4-BE-4855-491-B-A04-D-EC1-C2-AE52314-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z50mxBx)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on April 17, 2023, 05:26:19 PM
Steve, I'm sure talking about an Opal  was just temporary insanity! But, trading a Tundra for ***(I can't bear to say it). You've spent too much time in the sun overseas!

LOL, there is much truth to that but it is probably brain worms from eating on the local economies and roasted lambs brain on occasion.

I actually love Jeeps, had every generation Cherokee from the beginning in 1985, but in 2017 I wanted a truck and the Jeep was late to market with their truck so I bought the Tundra and LOVE it. The new Wagoneer is a great vehicle, and would suit all my needs and more, but NO WAY I am dropping that kind of coin when I have a truck I love that is long paid off and will last me as long as I need......

But come on Steve, the Opel GT is a cool little car!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Ncdan on April 17, 2023, 07:28:29 PM
Shifter extender done, if it stops raining I'll take her for a spin

(https://i.ibb.co/HPQ3prD/2-DF21182-E97-E-4-DB7-B775-3-D9-EC2118-FFB-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HPQ3prD)


(https://i.ibb.co/frmMB62/0-DD11-EA7-5-E55-4-A2-E-8-C24-8-D87545-E9-CE7-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/frmMB62)


(https://i.ibb.co/vHpbcn1/C64-F2-C57-6-C29-422-C-B43-A-1-BAC1-A339-C98-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vHpbcn1)


(https://i.ibb.co/qyLqB1h/D914073-B-CFE0-477-F-BB12-550-DA43884-D6-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qyLqB1h)


(https://i.ibb.co/1X30kk7/1-F6-C3636-B6-F7-41-BE-812-D-9-F4379-F91029-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1X30kk7)


(https://i.ibb.co/wCBBXGb/32-F49-F2-C-EF59-440-E-BC7-C-430-CDA43351-E-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wCBBXGb)


(https://i.ibb.co/LtH0DFz/CD814-DFA-824-A-4394-A173-E2-BD1178-BCA3-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LtH0DFz)


(https://i.ibb.co/7VMrDK1/E5-ADCA68-8759-4-F10-A84-C-C14953-AC3-E69-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7VMrDK1)


(https://i.ibb.co/MVRPm7F/AE4303-B4-8379-4-CB2-B0-FB-5-B0064813-C69-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MVRPm7F)


(https://i.ibb.co/fp6JVps/C5-D13-B81-5-ED0-4-B43-9635-957433096-FAC-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fp6JVps)


(https://i.ibb.co/z50mxBx/4211-D4-BE-4855-491-B-A04-D-EC1-C2-AE52314-1-105-c.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z50mxBx)

That’s some precision machine work👍
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on April 19, 2023, 08:23:09 AM
Cool, yes, but you'd have to sell the bikes to find enough time and money to keep it running.
FYI, my 17 Tundra is at 93000 and running better than ever. I thought about a new one but just can't give up on the V8.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on April 19, 2023, 04:31:32 PM
Finally got to ride one.  White Base Model.  The bike rips and I only had it in T mode.  I got it well over 90 criss crossing traffic in a couple of miles of city Interstate.  Certainly faster than any Guzzi I've ridden.   Didn't quite feel like a Guzzi, I didn't notice any torque dip with the throttle.  The bike was little more upright -I could use a little more rear tuck with the pegs.  It was stable in traffic, great pick up from the engine and sharp brakes.   So far as handling, I didn't have a chance to run it in many curves, the riding position could be better IMO with a little more leverage for the pegs.  No doubt that's a rider's preference deal.  In tour mode those little wings deployed and the bike was stable in very strong sidewind.  The owner told me that he could feel the difference when the active aero was on.  I'd say the closest bike would be the Yamaha 900 sport tourer in feel and performance.   The only thing I didn't like was chintzy header covers.  They just gotten the Green one in presold.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on April 19, 2023, 05:02:12 PM
Quick review from Richard in Phoenix.    :thumb:  He's had his green/grey 100S for little over a month.  He has 1700+ miles on his bike.  Handles a little better than his V85.  The wings deploying is a little distracting.   :grin:  The bike pulls hard with great torque and no lag.  The suspension is great in that it adjusts when needed.  He's added bags on it and the mounts are cool.   :thumb: :thumb:  He's looking at it for 2 up touring vs his V85 for solo touring.  I did tell him that he can use my Cal1400T.   :azn:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on April 19, 2023, 05:56:47 PM
It handles a "little better" than a v85?   I haven't ridden either yet, but I would hope it handles a good deal better than the 85.   It's all subjective, so I'm sure he knows what he's talking about anyway.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on April 19, 2023, 08:58:19 PM
Quick review from Richard in Phoenix.    :thumb:  He's had his green/grey 100S for little over a month.  He has 1700+ miles on his bike.  Handles a little better than his V85.  The wings deploying is a little distracting.   :grin:  The bike pulls hard with great torque and no lag.  The suspension is great in that it adjusts when needed.  He's added bags on it and the mounts are cool.   :thumb: :thumb:  He's looking at it for 2 up touring vs his V85 for solo touring.  I did tell him that he can use my Cal1400T.   :azn:

the V85TT has tall soft suspension that settles in a corner, it's an Adventure bike, not a Sport Tourer.... not an apt comparison IMO.

I didn't find the Mandello wings a distraction since they were out of my field of vision, I had to look down to actually see them. Of course, they can be turned off.  It's fast , has brakes and handles.  It'll hit 90+ in traffic when you aren't trying.  Doesn't feel like my legacy Guzzis and is definitely a modern bike.   
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on April 19, 2023, 09:08:35 PM
It handles a "little better" than a v85?   I haven't ridden either yet, but I would hope it handles a good deal better than the 85.   It's all subjective, so I'm sure he knows what he's talking about anyway.
What was it about the V85 that leads you to suggest that the V100 needs to be better ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on April 19, 2023, 09:12:27 PM
Solo touring vs 2 up touring.  Same bike can be different when set up solo vs 2 up.   :tongue: 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on April 19, 2023, 09:32:29 PM
Soft suspension or whatever- the V85 handles pretty darn well. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on April 19, 2023, 09:46:19 PM
Soft suspension or whatever- the V85 handles pretty darn well.
Yep.
When I’m a better rider than it is a bike, then I’ll get something else.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: 2WheelsUp on April 20, 2023, 08:31:12 AM
the V85TT has tall soft suspension that settles in a corner, it's an Adventure bike, not a Sport Tourer.... not an apt comparison IMO.

I didn't find the Mandello wings a distraction since they were out of my field of vision, I had to look down to actually see them. Of course, they can be turned off.  It's fast , has brakes and handles.  It'll hit 90+ in traffic when you aren't trying.  Doesn't feel like my legacy Guzzis and is definitely a modern bike.
So how does the Mandello compare to your Ducati SS? As a long time Guzzi rider, I'm having a hard time imagining a Guzzi performing (as in acceleration/braking/handing) on par with a modern Ducati.

On a related note, I saw a red Madello at COTA last week that AF1 brought to the brewery. Beautiful... it had a Leo Vince slip-on that looked a bit out of place given it was very small.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on April 20, 2023, 09:22:46 AM
I didn't say or imply that the v85 doesn't handle well.  From all I have heard, the 85 does quite well for an adventure bike.  However, I would expect a dedicated Sport Tour to handle better by it's very nature, that it's a SPORT TOUR.      Putting a very good rider on each bike back to back through juicy twisty roads, I would expect the V100 to walk away from the V85.

Put a ver good rider on each bike back to back, on shitty roads, gravel, off road, I would expect the V85 to watch the v100 disappear in the mirrors.

I'm looking forward to riding both, the v85 looks  very comfy for long rides!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on April 20, 2023, 12:02:59 PM
the V85TT has tall soft suspension that settles in a corner, it's an Adventure bike, not a Sport Tourer.... not an apt comparison IMO.

I didn't find the Mandello wings a distraction since they were out of my field of vision, I had to look down to actually see them. Of course, they can be turned off.  It's fast , has brakes and handles.  It'll hit 90+ in traffic when you aren't trying.  Doesn't feel like my legacy Guzzis and is definitely a modern bike.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on April 20, 2023, 02:15:17 PM
So how does the Mandello compare to your Ducati SS? As a long time Guzzi rider, I'm having a hard time imagining a Guzzi performing (as in acceleration/braking/handing) on par with a modern Ducati.

On a related note, I saw a red Madello at COTA last week that AF1 brought to the brewery. Beautiful... it had a Leo Vince slip-on that looked a bit out of place given it was very small.

For me the SS is just about perfect.  The Mandello is 50lb heavier and feels it.  The Duc is more flickable.  I like more leverage with the pegs to get a good handling feel and prefer that on the SS, despite this, I didn't think the Guzzi had more leg room.  The engines are comparable, the difference is the transmission, where the Guzzi has some advantage with a wider ratio for all around riding and the Duc better for performance.  The difference to me is that I felt "on" the Guzzi, whereas as I feel "in" the bike with Duc, and my Guzzis. 

Again. the V100 rides a lot like that the Yamaha.  I could use smidge more legroom to make it tourer.  My Duc is more barebones whereas the Guzzi has more features and cruise control.  The Duc is Touring Sport bike whereas the Guzzi a Sport Tourer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: mojohand on April 20, 2023, 03:59:02 PM
Got to see one in the fresh at Moto Richmond. (https://motorichmond.com) Very nice in person, honestly.
(https://i.ibb.co/7vN4zW5/MOT01953.png) (https://ibb.co/7vN4zW5) (https://i.ibb.co/TKSFhrQ/MOT01956.png) (https://ibb.co/TKSFhrQ) (https://i.ibb.co/dfZVKNK/MOT01954.png) (https://ibb.co/dfZVKNK) (https://i.ibb.co/v3FzFvR/MOT01955.png) (https://ibb.co/v3FzFvR) (https://i.ibb.co/jwQCNXH/MOT01952.png) (https://ibb.co/jwQCNXH) (https://i.ibb.co/ky32DC9/MOT01951.png) (https://ibb.co/ky32DC9) (https://i.ibb.co/tqMLDy1/MOT01950.png) (https://ibb.co/tqMLDy1) (https://i.ibb.co/s3dk4LV/MOT01957.png) (https://ibb.co/s3dk4LV)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on April 20, 2023, 05:27:53 PM
Got to see one in the fresh at Moto Richmond. Very nice in person, honestly.
(https://i.ibb.co/7vN4zW5/MOT01953.png) (https://ibb.co/7vN4zW5) (https://i.ibb.co/TKSFhrQ/MOT01956.png) (https://ibb.co/TKSFhrQ) (https://i.ibb.co/dfZVKNK/MOT01954.png) (https://ibb.co/dfZVKNK) (https://i.ibb.co/v3FzFvR/MOT01955.png) (https://ibb.co/v3FzFvR) (https://i.ibb.co/jwQCNXH/MOT01952.png) (https://ibb.co/jwQCNXH) (https://i.ibb.co/ky32DC9/MOT01951.png) (https://ibb.co/ky32DC9) (https://i.ibb.co/tqMLDy1/MOT01950.png) (https://ibb.co/tqMLDy1) (https://i.ibb.co/s3dk4LV/MOT01957.png) (https://ibb.co/s3dk4LV)


Great pics. Moto Richmond is a great shop.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: sdcr on April 21, 2023, 06:45:58 AM
Got to see one in the fresh at Moto Richmond. (https://motorichmond.com) Very nice in person, honestly.
(https://i.ibb.co/7vN4zW5/MOT01953.png) (https://ibb.co/7vN4zW5) (https://i.ibb.co/TKSFhrQ/MOT01956.png) (https://ibb.co/TKSFhrQ) (https://i.ibb.co/dfZVKNK/MOT01954.png) (https://ibb.co/dfZVKNK) (https://i.ibb.co/v3FzFvR/MOT01955.png) (https://ibb.co/v3FzFvR) (https://i.ibb.co/jwQCNXH/MOT01952.png) (https://ibb.co/jwQCNXH) (https://i.ibb.co/ky32DC9/MOT01951.png) (https://ibb.co/ky32DC9) (https://i.ibb.co/tqMLDy1/MOT01950.png) (https://ibb.co/tqMLDy1) (https://i.ibb.co/s3dk4LV/MOT01957.png) (https://ibb.co/s3dk4LV)


The red ones definitely are lookers.

(https://i.ibb.co/4YVptQr/69-D1-FB9-A-956-D-4-B67-9550-5-B2330-CFBEA3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4YVptQr)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Vagrant on April 22, 2023, 11:35:11 AM
Just a warning to those new to TPMS. My 2012 Goldwing had them and I think they were the same ones they used in the cars. They stuck way out from the rim and were very easy to snap off when changing the tire. My dealer knew that and still broke one. He paid but it was $180 plus he had to get a new computer program to program it. So, be careful when replacing tires just in case.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on May 04, 2023, 04:16:52 PM
This is kind of fun,  if you haven't seen the commercial, great, watch this first, then the commercial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOoW4Lb482A&t=2s

then watch the final product...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2TpzDMTViQ
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on May 04, 2023, 04:34:50 PM
Yeah that’s good, I don’t mind him at all. He seems kind of authentic and “real”.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: azccj on May 05, 2023, 12:22:34 AM
Just a warning to those new to TPMS. My 2012 Goldwing had them and I think they were the same ones they used in the cars. They stuck way out from the rim and were very easy to snap off when changing the tire. My dealer knew that and still broke one. He paid but it was $180 plus he had to get a new computer program to program it. So, be careful when replacing tires just in case.
I have the MG OEM TPM sensors  mounted in the wheels of my 2022 V85tt Travel. I was shocked to see how much MG wants for one just in case I someday need a replacement. When I say shocked I mean just how inexpensive they are at $63.53 each. Go price the TPM sensors from Honda Triumph or BMW and you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: ssrealty on May 08, 2023, 04:22:38 PM
I also had a Ducati SS S. Both engines felt similar- power, quick shifter, responsiveness.  But the Ducati SS is a much more sporty bike. Handle bars are much lower and less comfortable for a long ride. The V100 riding position is much more comfortable when I test rode several weeks ago. I would say the V100 riding position is more similar to a Ducati Diavel as comparison.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on August 10, 2023, 07:27:17 AM
For any owners who now have a few miles on a new V100, what kind of range/mpg numbers are you seeing? 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: tazio on August 10, 2023, 08:20:22 AM
For any owners who now have a few miles on a new V100, what kind of range/mpg numbers are you seeing?
Interested to get these numbers too.
Published tank capacities show
 .211 US gallon difference between this Sport touring bike and the GRiSO...

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on August 10, 2023, 12:47:50 PM
Interested to get these numbers too.
Published tank capacities show
 .211 US gallon difference between this Sport touring bike and the GRiSO...

I have been getting 180 miles to a tank with about a gallon still left. The fuel light comes on pretty early at around 150 miles and my anxiety kicks in so I hustle to the nearest fuel station for peace of mind. It does, of course, depend on whether I am cruising down the interstate at a steady 85mph or brisky riding the two-lane roads at 70mph. The two-lane roads I am averaging around 60 mpg and the drone down the interstate returns around 50 mpg.

Skippy 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: tazio on August 10, 2023, 01:07:07 PM
Nice, and thank you.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on August 10, 2023, 01:37:46 PM
Got to see one in the fresh at Moto Richmond. (https://motorichmond.com) Very nice in person, honestly.
Wow, those are good looking bikes.

On ADVRider, a couple people report at or close to 50mpg for the V100 for normal riding (i.e. not spirited).
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 18, 2023, 07:09:38 AM
Hot off the press.


(https://i.ibb.co/GsqhBqv/thumbnail-IMG-1518-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GsqhBqv)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on August 18, 2023, 07:35:45 AM
So, what do you think?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Tom on August 18, 2023, 10:29:08 AM
Already a recall on this bike.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 18, 2023, 10:39:43 AM
Already a recall on this bike.

I believe this is what you are referring to.  Discussed earlier.

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=119198.0
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 18, 2023, 10:45:12 AM
When I picked up the bike yesterday Enzo mentioned that the "S" is selling well, but the base model is not.  The S package perceived value is very high.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 18, 2023, 11:54:51 AM
It was the same value equation when the V85 was introduced.  Another grand for the Adventure that had $2,000 worth of bags and racks on it.  Pretty simple math.  The V100S has extras that are worth more than the asking price as well.  A standard Ohlins setup without power adjustments would be over $2,000 by itself plus the install if you did not do it yourself as well as the shifter which I have no idea what that is worth.  It just seems like a better value to me.  If you are already committed to spending $15,500, what's another 2 grand?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on August 18, 2023, 12:16:45 PM
I think what this illustrates is we appreciate good suspension and are willing to pay more for it. It doesn't add *that* much cost at the manufacture level but when we have to pay retail for poor suspension only to junk it and pay retail again for good suspension, it gets very costly.  European manufacturers have recently been providing the option of better or upgraded suspension, I only wish the Japanese would do the same. Let's see I'll take a CRF300L "S model" with top shelf forks and shock.
BTW the Guzzi dealer here has V100's on the floor, all base models.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 18, 2023, 02:27:55 PM
It was the same value equation when the V85 was introduced.  Another grand for the Adventure that had $2,000 worth of bags and racks on it.  Pretty simple math.  The V100S has extras that are worth more than the asking price as well.  A standard Ohlins setup without power adjustments would be over $2,000 by itself plus the install if you did not do it yourself as well as the shifter which I have no idea what that is worth.  It just seems like a better value to me.  If you are already committed to spending $15,500, what's another 2 grand?

To retrofit a base V100 with the Ohlins will cost about $4500, which includes a "S" ECU, if I remember Enzo correctly. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 18, 2023, 02:41:26 PM
I just got back from my first proper ride.  This bike is loads of fun.  It is very refined, but it still retains some Guzzi character.   The handling of this bike is stellar.  I haven't had a bike this confidence building in the handling department since my CBR 954RR.  The quick shifter is a nice thing.  It requires a bit of brain realignment to produce smooth shifts.  Q/S is very cool when hammering the back roads. 

My only niggle is the well documented Harley type clunk when shifting in to first from neutral.   



(https://i.ibb.co/nQ08X1q/IMG-1528.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nQ08X1q)

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 18, 2023, 03:47:34 PM
It’s gonna’ need that better screen.
Yes ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 18, 2023, 06:07:15 PM
It’s gonna’ need that better screen.
Yes. ?

So far from my limited exposure, no.  I prefer screen down for back road corner scratching.  Winglets out and screen up on the B road home seemed very tolerable for long distance. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on August 18, 2023, 06:24:16 PM
When I test rode that white one that Enzo has, I was amazed at how smooth everything was even with the little stock screen.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on August 18, 2023, 06:42:23 PM
The first to second gear clunk is due to the wet clutch. Guzzi owners of past are spoiled by the dry clutch which doesn't clunk or very minimally. My Harley Slim was so bad it would leave small marks on the garage floor. My Triumph clunks, cold or hot, bit worse cold. Nothing to be concerned with.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 18, 2023, 06:45:23 PM
The first to second gear clunk is due to the wet clutch. Guzzi owners of past are spoiled by the dry clutch which doesn't clunk or very minimally. My Harley Slim was so bad it would leave small marks on the garage floor. My Triumph clunks, cold or hot, bit worse cold. Nothing to be concerned with.
kk

The clunk is from neutral to first.  1st to 2nd is just fine. 

And I am not concerned with the clunk.  Just a very minor annoyance.  Very reminiscent of my Harley Road King days.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on August 18, 2023, 08:24:24 PM
Congrats Dave , the more you ride the v100 the more you will like it. There is so many subtle things about it that improve the ride experience  and take miles to appreciate. The fueling improvement as stock over previous air cooled mills is astounding. Seacoast picked up mine yesterday for the first service and I should have it back end of next week. Looking forward to seeing what the upper rev range has to offer :evil: I spoke with the sales person I deal with and asked how they were selling and he said they can't keep them in stock. Looks like another winner for Piaggio.   :thumb: Buy the way, did you trade the Griso? 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on August 19, 2023, 07:37:58 AM
>SNIP< The fueling improvement as stock over previous air cooled mills is astounding. Seacoast picked up mine yesterday for the first service and I should have it back end of next week. Looking forward to seeing what the upper rev range has to offer :evil: >SNIP<

The V100 I rode ran beautifully even at 10K ft altitude. Upper rev range has a LOT to offer. The engine is just waking up around 5K RPM and really sings from 6-8K.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on August 19, 2023, 09:06:43 AM
It’s gonna’ need that better screen.
Yes. ?

Reading the mail from fellows with big miles on their V100s.  One of the favorite screens for better coverage is the Powerbronze Touring Screen.   Should be more Goldwingish with this one.   :grin:

https://www.powerbronze.co.uk/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-22-23-420-m102.html
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 19, 2023, 09:53:05 AM
It’s gonna’ need that better screen.
Yes. ?

Seemed OK to me, but you have get into the menu to adjust it, so I never raised.  Didn't buffet.  I rode it in Touring mode but the movable wings were out of my vision, then I kicked it up to Sport (wings stay flat).  The screen bolts on easily. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on August 19, 2023, 11:54:47 AM
If you roll the bike back a foot or two will it still clunk going into first?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 19, 2023, 12:04:29 PM
What about putting the bike in gear and starting with the clutch pulled in ?
Also, does anyone have any early reports if the Stelvio is going to have wire wheels ?
The Powerbronze screen looks good and I’m pretty sure it will improve the visual balance of the bike, but I’d like to see the angular shape around the top edge softened a bit.
Also to my mind, the tint looks cheap. Prefer the clear.
What’s on the go for a tail tidy ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 19, 2023, 12:14:46 PM
When I test rode that white one that Enzo has, I was amazed at how smooth everything was even with the little stock screen.
That’s why it’s smooth, you are in the steady stream of air.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lazlokovacs on August 20, 2023, 03:51:29 AM
while we're on the subject of screens/buffeting I will throw in my 2c...

I spent years fiddling with windscreens, all the way up to the massive H&H fairing from harpers which worked really well. But the best screen I've ever had on any bike is no screen at all and a big tankbag in front of you to take the blast off your chest. Keeps the head in delightfully clear air at all speeds up and beyond the ton.

Apologies for thread drift

Keep the V100 reports coming, I'm very interested in this engine

 :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: GmaninAZ on August 20, 2023, 04:27:50 PM
That would be disappointing.  In my (so far imaginary) ownership, I would have something like that re-painted/powdercoated. 
I have not seen this point definitively addressed yet, so I withhold any judgement.

Something like this?

(https://i.ibb.co/Hz2vc1y/IMG-3631.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hz2vc1y)

(https://i.ibb.co/Fz9p514/IMG-3632.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fz9p514)

(https://i.ibb.co/88C7bYD/IMG-3635.jpg) (https://ibb.co/88C7bYD)

(https://i.ibb.co/rwLDVrD/IMG-3642.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rwLDVrD)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: GmaninAZ on August 20, 2023, 10:38:10 PM
To my Eye Palate, I think the Mandello would look much better with a black motor and trans/swingarm. The Gold Valve Covers make sense with the Gold Rims on the Base Red, but not with other color combos. Over time, the silver gets stained and is harder to keep looking pristine (if that matters to you).

My 07 Griso has a very interesting bronzish color on the swingarm and CARC that I wished translated to the engine and valve covers. But I like uniformity.

As for those who think this is NOT "Guzzi" enough, I'm wondering what else on the market is 'more' Guzzi? I think this is a perfect modern evolution of the Marque, if 5 years late. There is obviously a ton of 'parts bin' happening with Aprilia/Piaggio but it is what it is, and I think they did a great job overall. Will be interesting to see what they do with the Stelvio and possible other derivatives.

I had an issue with the paint on my left side head cover, it could be scratched off with a thumb nail, and isopropyl alcohol disolved it also, so I powder coated them and had the screws finished with Black Nitride + process. I thought the gold was out of place with the black wheels and all the other black bits:
(https://i.ibb.co/Hz2vc1y/IMG-3631.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hz2vc1y)

(https://i.ibb.co/Fz9p514/IMG-3632.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fz9p514)

(https://i.ibb.co/88C7bYD/IMG-3635.jpg) (https://ibb.co/88C7bYD)

(https://i.ibb.co/CstCSgq/IMG-3639.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CstCSgq)

(https://i.ibb.co/rwLDVrD/IMG-3642.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rwLDVrD)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on August 21, 2023, 12:25:19 PM
so far as painting .... the local shop took the white demo bike and had the calipers painted the same red/orange as under the aero flaps.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: dguzzi on August 21, 2023, 04:52:04 PM
  I vote black,   possibly the green but that might be weird, satin black is it. (dang it)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: lucian on August 21, 2023, 05:26:17 PM
Just received a custom made double socket to fit both front and rear axle nuts on the v100,  What a beautifully cnc machined piece of of work from Todd at Guzzitech   .   A must have if venturing off on the V100 as most shops would be unlikely to have a metric socket large enough to change the rear in a pinch.  Well done Todd !

(https://i.ibb.co/B4c3yLD/IMG-2435.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B4c3yLD)

(https://i.ibb.co/3FJVLny/IMG-2437.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3FJVLny)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 21, 2023, 05:52:41 PM
  I vote black,   possibly the green but that might be weird, satin black is it. (dang it)
How would they go polished ?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: SIR REAL ED on August 21, 2023, 06:30:29 PM
  I vote black,   possibly the green but that might be weird, satin black is it. (dang it)

I vote a flat Olive green military color.  At least on the green V100.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on August 21, 2023, 07:46:49 PM
I can promise y’all this…
Photo shoppers.

(https://i.ibb.co/f93RvGt/IMG-4469.png) (https://ibb.co/f93RvGt)

Remove the overhang on the rear fender.
Do the cam covers polished alloy OR do the front and rear calipers the same gold as the rocker covers.
A clear and (tastefully) larger screen.
Forks the same colour as the cam covers.
Norge style metal mirrors.
Add an Ohlins rear shock…(just for the bling).

It will look a LOT better.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: dguzzi on August 24, 2023, 05:28:05 PM
I vote a flat Olive green military color.  At least on the green V100.

   Agree!  I need a sample, but you might have the answer!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: GmaninAZ on August 31, 2023, 05:39:42 PM
so far as painting .... the local shop took the white demo bike and had the calipers painted the same red/orange as under the aero flaps.

Do you have any pictures of this?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: djkid on September 01, 2023, 08:32:54 AM
In a previous post on this forum I wrote about my experiences after 2000 km with my V100 Mandello. My preference was for a white with gold wheels. I didn't want a quick shifter on it and I hoped to be satisfied with the standard suspension.

The counter is now at 9000 km. And many of the experiences and opinions after my previous report are still true. But the quality of the standard suspension began to bother me more and more. And as has happened to me more often if you start paying attention, the shortcomings seem to me to be increasingly difficult to digest and accept. In a first step I had the suspension adjusted by a professional company. Since it was immediately noticeable that the suspension at the front was much smoother than the suspension at the rear, I had a spring mounted with a lower spring rate as a next step. Although front and rear were much more in harmony, the whole thing was too soft and the rear damping too harsh.

After my V100 Mandello also had to stay at the dealer for a few days due to a water leak, I got the chance to get a V100S Mandello home as a loan bike. During these days I was once struck by how enormous the differences are between the V100 with Kayaba suspension and with Ohlins suspension. After this experience, I can confirm that the V100S Mandello is certainly worth the extra price, but unfortunately not available in the color pearl white. The color of my preferences.

In the meantime I received a message from Matris, having previously sent them an email about this, that their suspension kit for the V100 was available. Although not yet visible on their website (now it is) I got an overview of their possibilities.

Now the Matris suspension kit for my V100 is mounted. I opted for the most cost-effective option, namely to only replace the front fork springs and replace the rear KYB shock absorber with the simplest Matris shock absorber.

First of all I want to share the measurements of the sag with you. Please note that these values only apply to my rider weight of around 70 kg.

Front
Static sag / Riders sag V100 factory setting: 40mm / 49mm
Static sag / Riders sag V100S factory setting: 29mm / 36mm
Static sag / Riders sag V100 Matris springs 30mm / 38mm

Rear
Static sag / Riders sag V100 factory setting: 13mm / 30mm
Static sag / Riders sag V100S minimum preload: 21mm / 39mm
Static sag / Riders sag V100 Matris shock: 16mm / 38mm

The measured values now approach the values of the V100S fairly accurately. In addition, the riders sag front and rear is now exactly the same value, namely 38mm.

For those who want to apply the same adjustment, I will name all the settings here.

Front: springs 36/320/10, air chamber 130mm (instead of 150mm as mentioned by Matris in the instruction manual. Motorex SAE 10W oil, rebound damping 6 clicks, preload 6 turns.
Rear: Spring 57/150/135, preload 4 clicks, rebound damping 26 clicks.

Meanwhile I have made some kilometers with the new Matris suspension kit. I like the steering better, the front of the bike dives much less during braking. The previous harshness of the rear suspension has been replaced by an adequate damping. The damping at the rear wheel is really a huge improvement. I notice that especially on roads where the asphalt is not so smooth, but with holes and cracks. At the front end I didn't have much to complain about the damping in the original set up. But the suspension has improved enormously after mounting the front fork spring set.

The assembly is done by a professional company. But I was allowed to just stand and watch it while working. The original front fork is filled with what appears to be thinner oil than the Motorex 10 that is now in it. In the left front fork there are only two spacers stacked on top of each other and a roughly finished spring. All damping is in the right front fork. The damping is fine adjustable for my taste. The new springs are longer than the original springs so that there is considerably more preload in the front fork than before. I can imagine that even more improvement can be achieved with the Matris front fork cartridges. But in the coming year I will gain experience with the current set up. If I feel that there is more need for improvement, the front fork cartridges are always worth considering.


(https://i.ibb.co/b3T13Zj/Screenshot-2023-09-01-alle-14-56-06.png) (https://ibb.co/b3T13Zj)

(https://i.ibb.co/sVKr9Lb/Screenshot-2023-09-01-alle-14-52-24.png) (https://ibb.co/sVKr9Lb)

(https://i.ibb.co/q0gtdNj/Screenshot-2023-09-01-alle-14-54-06.png) (https://ibb.co/q0gtdNj)

(https://i.ibb.co/MP4N0Gg/Screenshot-2023-09-01-alle-14-53-38.png) (https://ibb.co/MP4N0Gg)

(https://i.ibb.co/Hn1RCmy/Screenshot-2023-09-01-alle-14-55-15.png) (https://ibb.co/Hn1RCmy)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on September 01, 2023, 11:03:57 AM
Just received a custom made double socket to fit both front and rear axle nuts on the v100,  What a beautifully cnc machined piece of of work from Todd at Guzzitech   .   A must have if venturing off on the V100 as most shops would be unlikely to have a metric socket large enough to change the rear in a pinch.  Well done Todd !

(https://i.ibb.co/B4c3yLD/IMG-2435.jpg) (https://ibb.co/B4c3yLD)

(https://i.ibb.co/3FJVLny/IMG-2437.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3FJVLny)


that's very cool!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: coast range rider on September 01, 2023, 02:25:15 PM
Nice post, @djkid. I like the white and gold also. Too bad the S isn't offered that way. You add more weight to the theory that the S model is worth the $ premium.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on September 01, 2023, 02:27:11 PM
djKid,

Nice write up about the suspension, I don't know how much money you have spent on this upgrade but I wonder if it would have been less expensive to buy the S model and have it painted white?  I understand that the cost from Guzzi for the gold rims is pretty reasonable. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: GmaninAZ on September 24, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
  I vote black,   possibly the green but that might be weird, satin black is it. (dang it)

Satin "Textured" Black, is where it's at!
(https://i.ibb.co/ZTdz6QQ/IMG-3632.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZTdz6QQ)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on September 26, 2023, 03:17:49 AM
djKid,

Nice write up about the suspension, I don't know how much money you have spent on this upgrade but I wonder if it would have been less expensive to buy the S model and have it painted white?  I understand that the cost from Guzzi for the gold rims is pretty reasonable.

Some dealers will change bodywork. I've seen several V85s and V7/9s and a Griso way back when with swapped out bodywork.

Hate to say it but the stock suspension seems like they really cheaped out. I can understand/forgive that for the entry level V7s but the NEW FLAGSHIP?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: GmaninAZ on October 01, 2023, 03:49:11 PM
Some dealers will change bodywork. I've seen several V85s and V7/9s and a Griso way back when with swapped out bodywork.

Hate to say it but the stock suspension seems like they really cheaped out. I can understand/forgive that for the entry level V7s but the NEW FLAGSHIP?

 :thumb:
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: bad Chad on October 01, 2023, 04:19:58 PM
I haven't read all the filler on this thread, and I know there is a recall on some v100 due to a defective shock, but that's not the fault of Guzzi is it?  They didn't order a few micro cracks just to make their lives more exciting.  As far as I can tell, the v100 has good to excellent suspension parts.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: jrt on October 01, 2023, 04:29:48 PM
I haven't read all the filler on this thread, and I know there is a recall on some v100 due to a defective shock, but that's not the fault of Guzzi is it?  They didn't order a few micro cracks just to make their lives more exciting.  As far as I can tell, the v100 has good to excellent suspension parts.
Not the fault of Guzzi.  Some shocks were (sent out?) installed without spacing washers, which allowed more compression than the bike should have.  So, it was the shock manufacturer.  I don't know how many units were affected, but I get the impression that it wasn't many.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on October 01, 2023, 06:01:03 PM
Had a great ride on the V100 today on my custom route of the maximum curves over 300 miles in SW Wisconsin.  This bike is phenomenal!!

(https://i.postimg.cc/1zTmzJwn/thumbnail-IMG-1815.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PLWs3b6T)

Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on October 02, 2023, 07:07:44 AM
Awesome, Dave.. :thumb: high praise indeed. I thought I looked really good on this "Naval Aviation" livery V100 at the Kentucky rally, but then had an attack of common sense and realized I had just finished moving all the big blocks from the farm for a reason.  :smiley:
(https://static.imgzeit.com/reduced/c8c8ed40e721702a/20230922_104101.jpg)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on October 02, 2023, 08:35:04 AM
I am planning on test riding one of these hopefully tomorrow. I am seriously considering buying it if I approve after riding it. My main concern is wind control, most reports say it is generally pretty good. I was going to trade my Bonneville and my V7 but after some serious thought I am planning to keep the Guzzi.  :thumb:  The Navale is quite striking in person.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on October 02, 2023, 08:39:25 AM
I am planning on test riding one of these hopefully tomorrow. I am seriously considering buying it if I approve after riding it. My main concern is wind control, most reports say it is generally pretty good. I was going to trade my Bonneville and my V7 but after some serious thought I am planning to keep the Guzzi.  :thumb:  The Navale is quite striking in person.
kk

The V100 wind control isn't in the same league as a Norge, but it does OK.  The Norge was stellar in that regard.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on October 02, 2023, 09:40:56 AM
I had an R75/5 with a full Avon fairing on it. Dead still behind that fairing, I don't think there is anything out there that will approach that level nor do I expect anything to do that. I have played with numerous shields on several bikes with varying results. The best was a Dart Marlin that I cut down a little. Took the pressure off my chest but a bit of buffeting at my head level. If the V100 has reasonable wind control I will most likely proceed.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on October 02, 2023, 11:51:56 AM
I saw that bike at the KY Rally.  It is very handsome.  When I rode the demo at Cadre, I remember being shocked at how good the wind control was considering how small the fairing is.  I found it to have very smooth air flow.  It must have something to do with the wings.  Now, come cold weather time, I expect that the smooth air will be very cold smooth air and not on par with a Norge or BMW RT. 
Good luck.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: kingoffleece on October 02, 2023, 11:58:58 AM
The wind would be a reason for me to buy a V100.  Sold the Norge as it was just to flippin HOT during summer.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on October 02, 2023, 02:04:32 PM
The wind would be a reason for me to buy a V100.  Sold the Norge as it was just to flippin HOT during summer.

I don't ride the Norge unless I'm heading north on a trip, it's just way too hot but that is an 07.  I understand the later bikes have better heat management with the oil cooler located lower in front of the engine with a fan behind the cooler. I've considered relocating that cooler but that fan is another story. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: MLR on October 02, 2023, 08:02:14 PM
Have you ridden your V100 much in the rain yet? That's one of the things I really like about my 2012 Norge, if you can keep moving in a light rain you don't get wet at all. I don't think it's all that bad in hot weather if you stick your knees out a little to catch some air, much better than my old Kawi Concours. Mine will probably roll over 100,000 miles next year and I sure like the looks of the Mandello. I assume it feels much lighter than a Norge riding and pushing it around?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: egschade on October 03, 2023, 06:43:57 AM
Have you ridden your V100 much in the rain yet? That's one of the things I really like about my 2012 Norge, if you can keep moving in a light rain you don't get wet at all. I don't think it's all that bad in hot weather if you stick your knees out a little to catch some air, much better than my old Kawi Concours. Mine will probably roll over 100,000 miles next year and I sure like the looks of the Mandello. I assume it feels much lighter than a Norge riding and pushing it around?

Spent half a day in pretty heavy rain on my Experience ride. With the windscreen in the UP position and wings extended it kept the rain off my lower torso and thighs. Engine kept some of the rain off my legs. Lower legs, arms and shoulders got soaked but my Tourmaster jacket kept me dry.

A touring screen would have been better IMHO. Could use hand guards too but it IS a SPORT touring bike and will never be as good at protecting the rider as a more dedicated touring bike like the Norge or Concours.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on October 30, 2023, 10:34:59 AM
This video popped up on my You Tube browsing this morning. It didn't get too many views but I thought it was excellent. He didn't get to ride the bike too much as it was one of those dealership ride events so he had to take a prescribed route in the city. He covers quite a bit of Moto Guzzi history and is very well spoken even if he used the word 'crap' quite a bit during his ride. One funny thing, I thought, was that he was impressed with the power in Road Mode. When I first got mine it was in Road Mode and I was a bit disappointed. That mode is just a step above rain, Tour is better, Sport is all out and would have opened his eyes a lot wider.

Worth a look even if you aren't interested in the V100.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on October 30, 2023, 10:59:30 AM
Geez, forgot to post it.
kk
https://youtu.be/H29CrHoy9Bs?si=tm5oKHKKVCq2s-AO
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Dave Swanson on October 30, 2023, 01:07:19 PM
A great review.  It stands out as one of the better out there.  My favorite is still the V100 YT from the Lemon Drizzle Gang. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on October 30, 2023, 02:30:23 PM
Geez, forgot to post it.
kk
https://youtu.be/H29CrHoy9Bs?si=tm5oKHKKVCq2s-AO

LOL.  At the end when comparing models, he forgot to mention Ohlins suspension on the V100 S.

But nice to see an enthusiastic 1st ride response to a Guzzi.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on October 30, 2023, 10:10:41 PM
A great review.  It stands out as one of the better out there.  My favorite is still the V100 YT from the Lemon Drizzle Gang.
I subscribe to the Lemon Drizzle Gang's videos. Very enjoyable.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Huzo on October 31, 2023, 02:51:44 AM
I was chatting to a guy who was on one the other day on my V85 tour.
I damn well better not ride one….
Or a KNOW what will happen…
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on October 31, 2023, 08:56:55 AM
You know you want to. I didn't bother with a test ride but got one based on all the positive and gushing reviews and videos. It is everything that was said, even more. The only thing I did was add handlebar risers due to my old worn out body. One thing that really stands out is the stability at less than walking speeds and the handling in general. I dare you, actually double dog dare you.   :evil:
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 01, 2023, 09:09:18 AM
Awesome, Dave.. :thumb: high praise indeed. I thought I looked really good on this "Naval Aviation" livery V100 at the Kentucky rally, but then had an attack of common sense and realized I had just finished moving all the big blocks from the farm for a reason.  :smiley:
(https://static.imgzeit.com/reduced/c8c8ed40e721702a/20230922_104101.jpg)

This is my favorite color scheme, though I'd want to delete the Marina logo and circles. I'm also on hold till they sell the V100 with a black engine, trans and swingarm.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 01, 2023, 09:28:22 AM
Works for me. Best looking one of the bunch, in my opinion anyway.
kk


(https://i.ibb.co/7kxc2Dx/IMG-20231006-104255609-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7kxc2Dx)
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rower30 on November 07, 2023, 03:28:45 PM
Hello all,

I approach this topic a little different than most. Why did this bike get me to buy it? I've sat on a 1992 BMW R100RT the entire time. It was not a reliable antique. I replaces the ignition, charging system, timing bean can, fork springs, racing brake pads, stainless braided Teflon brake lines and top triple clamp. I had to go to dual plug heads, davis piston rings and stainless valves for syntethic oil to stop it being a two stroke and spark knocking with any fuel octane type. With the mods it runs on 87 octane all day. So it wasn't a ride it and forget it bike but I got it done over time such that it's general character is retained. It is an unabashed period bike when they were simple and user friendly. Mine never saw a shop, ever.

What was that personality? It runs from 1500 to 5000 RPM, that's it. Lots of grunt, may as well shift at 4000 unless you like more noise and no real go. It was what it was, a long legged bike that wants to go all day at 65 MPH. But it has no MOJO at all. If it was car it would be a Toyota Corolla or VW Golf or something like that. Not a bad thing, but it is a tool. The R100RT is a nearly pure analog system. It has electronic ignition!

I was searching for a replacement five years after I bought it. A more modern version that was 500 LBS or so and a roadster type application and more SPORT intent but still a mile eater. The R100RT had a lot of junk up front that killed the feeling of being one with the bike. The excellent but expansive fairing is pretty isolating. I wanted a bike like the 1979 Honda CB750F smashed into the 1992 BMW R100RT.  Oh, it had to look nice too. No Yamaha MT-09 monstrosities. OK, they work but are UGH, ugly to me. Add a twin to the mix, I like twins drive characteristics.

Strangely, all the roadster type bikes became ADV, not my thing. The "like" touring bikes went to 550 pounds and WAY more even. Also a downer, I'm 140 pounds! So here a sat with the R100RT all these years smelling like gasoline after any time in the saddle. It is an OLD engine and emissions NOT controlled free for all bike.

Oddly, the V100S showed up. I thought it was a pure show bike. I ignored the noise, but it was like the Odyssey siren's singing to me. And darn, it indeed was a real bike! I immediately rode my R100RT to Cadre Cyle and rode the non S model home to show my wife and then back. On the way home on the R100RT I asked what the BMW did better. We'll it was a better 31 year old period bike, that's it. I'm probably easier to please than most of you having been on an older bike so, so long but;
- BRAKES! OMG it actually stops!
- Anti-lock and traction control to maybe save my butt.
- No engine clatter or mechanical commotion!
- For me, gobs of power off the R100RT and better mileage (52 Versus 43).
- Handles crazy good. No more wiggles in the middle of the bike.
- Fairing is perfect with a tour windshield (same feel down as the stock is up).
- Beautiful design shaft drive with no noticeable pinion climb.
- 52 MPG on mine.
- Cruise!
- I don't stink like petrol riding anymore.
- Bike looks several decade older in styling, a CLEAN engine look with all the ugly stuff hidden (it is there, though).
- Hard luggage that fits. The bags are a little small inside, though.
- Crazy good dash telemetry, but a bit too small for my eyes.
- Added centerstand.
- Added engine guards.
- Added ROX bar lifters.
- May add peg lowers this winter.

I ordered one as soon as I got home, the S model in GRY/SLV. The black wheels, I like those now that I've owned it. Look better in the flesh and hide all the black brake dust better. So nope, I'm keeping the black wheels. I will add GOLD letters to the passenger seat, though. Winter project.

I went to the "S" because this is indeed a do it all bike. I use the settings ALL the time, too. I'm not a fan of I'll set it to my liking but you better have just ONE like. I switch to SPORT in the forrests of Ohio and back to TOUR on the way home. I use ROAD in-town (different throttle map). Stuck in 52F and the rain on slick county back roads, I go to RAIN. I have no regrets on the suspension choice at all. It isn't a gold wing smooth but it is far, far better than it should be with 140 pound me sitting on it.

After 4500 miles, I love this bike. I can't stay off it. Niggles are there. It needs a few storage pockets here and there for gloves and small stuff. I put REX brand bar lifter up and back a touch. My back and wrist have too much motocross built-in. I added a taller fairing windshield but after that and never looked back. I may add peg lowers as it is slightly tight for my 66 year old legs after two plus hours. Strangely, I find the saddle really good...better than the R100RT's reference "broad flat" seat.

I am not a fan of HOW the cruise works, but I love having it. It is too hard to turn on (push to the left and wait, and wait and wait some more) or you accidentally change the traction control that is set with the cruise switch if the cruise is off. Also, it is a challenge for me to re-set to a new cruise speed. Say from 35 MPH to 60 MPH.  The settings seem to sometimes act "perfect" but than fight me the next time I do the same thing. I get it done, but it isn't 100% easy like it should be. I keep thinking I have it down but then I don't.

The engine takes special note (pun there). It is wonderful. It has a V8 snarl up above 4K and two distinct power bands, above and below about 4-5K. Strangely, I shift at 4K as that's where the BMW R100RT signed off it's peak torque. I have all the way to 8K on this bike! It is smooth once to 3.5K. Below that it has a pronounced twin pulse and reminds you of it. Once to 3.5K or up it just goes near glass smooth. I also love feeling the bike at a stop light idling. It is a feeling like no other, a wonderful mechanical awareness to the thing. They hit the mark on this engine for the bike's mission. That mission was a hard one, too as it was EVERYTHING you may want to do. Tour, sport or commute. That last one is the weakest as it is a heavier bike in town. Also, the catalytic is HOT at stops above 80 degrees. I don't notice the heat once moving. Heat is there stopped, though. Stange, no engine heat or radiator at all, just the catalytic collector box. And no, I won't decate it. I like to smell pretty off the bike and not pretty much like gasoline! Done that too long. Also, I have no issue with the exhaust design. it is beautiful to me and allows that rear wheel to be shown off. I like the trade-off to the torpedo long systems on most bikes. I could stare at this bike all day except I'm on it all the time.

The, to me too small, dash wasn't terrible to connect after I used the iPhone connection program and not the MIA app. Once I got the phone connected, the NAV was a challenge too and the instructions are wrong. You need to set the route in the app, then make sure the tiny Icon in the MIA apps dash is touched to connect the phone to the bike. You then push and HOLD the right bar button until it connects the NAV route you set to the bike's screen and you see the WHITE tear drop shaped icon in the dash. I also wish it showed the next road I'm looking for, and not the one I'm on. This is all firmware stuff, so someone decides what we like, or not. I'm an or not, I hate the GPS line-by-line not not showing the next road, direction to turn L or R, and miles to it.

This bike hit all the right things, though. A few Niggles but mine's (end of August delivery) been 100% as promised. No oil consumption at all. Services at 850 miles and now at 4500 and no oil added. I do notice the throttle fake carburator spring is too stiff. I set the TOURING to use the SPORT throttle map (setting #1). That way it feels more like my R100RT'S carbs. Still, the drive-by-wire has a weird dead spot off the stop you learn to stay above.

The transmission is better than the R100RT, so we have that. It does clunk into first. Neutral is a 100% hit it every time up from first at a stop. The BMW was a hit or miss down from second or up from first. The V100S is still iffy down from second but 100% up from first. Shifts are tight and quick, though. I've never hit a false neutral. I don't use the quick shifter up or down. Quick shift up or down work fine above second and every time on my bike, but I just like to shift this bike!

One last peeve, Checking the oil level is rediculous. Hold it upright, not on the center stand!, and pull the little itty bitty plug out you can barely reach. Drip the oil on your pants or the floor and look at the level. Replace the plug but DO NOT let the bike tilt to the center stand side or oil goes all over the floor! I have the center stand, so I checked the oil as per the manual to the "full" line on the stick. Then I re-check on the center stand and note where the "new" full spot is higher up on the dip stick. Now I can check the oil level quicker and no mess.

I love this Guzzi. Never though about A Guzzi, but this thing grabbed me immediately. No regrets. Moto Guzzi deserves my business and I'm so glad they made this bike. It is a perfect do it all roadster and so, so we'll thought out on cosmetics. Most of the pretty stuff is on the outside and the ugly stuff is mostly hidden.

Good job Moto Guzzi.




Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Rower30 on November 07, 2023, 03:48:08 PM
I had an R75/5 with a full Avon fairing on it. Dead still behind that fairing, I don't think there is anything out there that will approach that level nor do I expect anything to do that. I have played with numerous shields on several bikes with varying results. The best was a Dart Marlin that I cut down a little. Took the pressure off my chest but a bit of buffeting at my head level. If the V100 has reasonable wind control I will most likely proceed.
kk

I had a 1992 R100RT with the big fairing. It was 100% good at what it did with the wind and 100% terrible stealing the bikes emotion with all the junk up front. But ya, the colder it is the less you care about the bikes MOJO, but your cold BUTTS MOJO.

The V100S, though, is really good at wind control and letting the bike feel like you are on one and not behind yards of fiberglass. The V100S wings flat work (52F in the rain several hours) and the still air space is far better than I expected. The windshield can be tuned to your road speed to smooth the air around your helmet, Too high and it does buffet. Move it down a bit and presto, smooth flow. Still, I ride forever with the V100S in good comfort but, I will conceed that in TERRIBLE weather the R100RT'S barn door fairing is, well, a barn door. I missed the feeling of the world moving along far more than I though. The V100S is a great compromise. Oh, The V100S is 100% better any time it is above 70 F, the R100RT is HOT in the summer. REALLY hot. Balance when you ride the most, I suppose. I don't do misery tours too often myself.

Get the touring fairing. It is as tall in the DOWN position as the stock is UP. The stock is just too short in the down (useless position to me), so I opted to get the taller fairing. I use DOWN most of the time and UP in the rain. Now I have more options and removed the useless (for me) stock DOWN position. I use a BIONDI touring windshield as a reference.

Best,
Rower30
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blu guzz on November 07, 2023, 04:49:45 PM
Hi "Rower", I met you the other day at our friend's house on my Black Eldorado.  Nice write up.  Like all Euro bikes, it takes a pretty long break-in period something over 10,000 miles.  You should see everything work a little better over that time such as shifting and throttle response.  Maybe we can meet up for a ride sometime, or, some records.

Tom
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 08, 2023, 08:53:21 AM
Now that I have had mine for a month I can add a bit. Unfortunately I haven't been able to ride it as much as I wish. What I will add is wind control. There is no buffeting which is a huge plus, for me anyway. There a lot of air directed to the helmet area but it is smooth air but strong. I get a lot of noise in my helmet but it is more of a helmet problem not the bike. Someday I will find a quiet helmet, earplugs help but are not a viable solution at this point. I use modular helmets which is part of the problem. The noise comes from under the helmet in the neck area. I would think with a modular helmet, padding could be added that would close around the neck blocking wind noise coming from that area. I can put my hands under the lower lip of the helmet and block almost all the noise. I really doubt that helmet manufacturers actually test their helmets in the real world environment. I may also try a higher shield and see if it will direct more of the airflow up and over. Now the best position for the shield is about a quarter of the way up. Maybe another solution would be a full face with a skirt around the bottom.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Yan on November 08, 2023, 01:16:05 PM
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I really doubt that helmet manufacturers actually test their helmets in the real world environment.
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Maybe another solution would be a full face with a skirt around the bottom.

There may be a reason why helmet manufacturers don't make their products completely wind/air tight; see this Fort9 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ej8sehs8k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ej8sehs8k).  Then again, I assume that there must be a way to get a sufficient amount of oxygen in the helmet but with a minimal amount of noise.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 09, 2023, 08:46:27 AM
I agree, get the air in through vents. All the helmets I have had the noise comes from underneath. I can cover the gap with a hand and the noise goes away. I hate to screw around with an expensive helmet but I have an idea that I am doing to try next. I was in the hardware store yesterday getting some door sweeps and saw some round soft foam insulation. I think I'll try that but I need to figure out someway to attach it to the helmet temporarily for testing before I do it permanently if I find something that works. The quietest helmets I have found have been a Schuberth and a Nolan. A couple of touted helmets for low noise that I tried were a Shoei and a HJC. Helmets work differently for for various people but both of these absolutely terrible for me. The best helmet I ever had was a Nava many many years ago, an Italian made helmet. The company disappeared many years ago. Earplugs only do so much. I have significant hearing loss so I don't want to add to it.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on November 09, 2023, 11:31:19 AM
I agree, get the air in through vents. All the helmets I have had the noise comes from underneath. I can cover the gap with a hand and the noise goes away. I hate to screw around with an expensive helmet but I have an idea that I am doing to try next. I was in the hardware store yesterday getting some door sweeps and saw some round soft foam insulation. I think I'll try that but I need to figure out someway to attach it to the helmet temporarily for testing before I do it permanently if I find something that works. The quietest helmets I have found have been a Schuberth and a Nolan. A couple of touted helmets for low noise that I tried were a Shoei and a HJC. Helmets work differently for for various people but both of these absolutely terrible for me. The best helmet I ever had was a Nava many many years ago, an Italian made helmet. The company disappeared many years ago. Earplugs only do so much. I have significant hearing loss so I don't want to add to it.
kk

I ran one of these for years.  They work:

https://www.amazon.com/NOJ-Quiet-Rider-Helmet-Skirt/dp/B000GU0IW4/ref=asc_df_B000GU0IW4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=642148678297&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5426259507359338843&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1013219&hvtargid=pla-1707598328317&psc=1
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: leafman60 on November 10, 2023, 07:00:30 AM
I ran one of these for years.  They work:

https://www.amazon.com/NOJ-Quiet-Rider-Helmet-Skirt/dp/B000GU0IW4/ref=asc_df_B000GU0IW4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=642148678297&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5426259507359338843&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1013219&hvtargid=pla-1707598328317&psc=1

Hi, Rocker.  I bet that little thing would also keep frigid air off your chin during winter rides.

.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 10, 2023, 09:52:14 AM
Looks like the next thing to try. The picture shows it on a modular helmet, the first one I have seen that would work on one.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on January 22, 2024, 10:29:15 AM

Got my hands on a V100 Mandello for the first time on Saturday in Tulsa.

Wow!  What a nice machine!  The 15-degree temps meant we stayed in the comfort of Mother Road Motorsports' showroom, but since Michael D, and I, were the only "customers" in the house, we had free run.

The V100 Mandello is a beautiful machine in the flesh.  Top quality fit and finish.  And wow!  The seating position is perfect for me,  and for a sport-tourer.  Michael D, and I, were thoroughly impressed with the V100 Mandello, and the folks at Mother Road Motorsports seem top-notch.

On a side note, they had a blue '96 model Sport 1100 in the service department that we got to check out.  They're in the process of adding Ducati this spring.  So, if you're into Piaggio, Vespa, Aprilia, Moto Guzzi, and/or Ducati, these folks seem like the real-deal.  Glad to have an Italian bike dealer back in the region, and within 120 miles of home.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: MLR on January 24, 2024, 07:41:48 PM
Does anyone know if they've made any updates or changes to the 2024 model?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Clifton on January 24, 2024, 09:48:51 PM
I believe the 2024 Mandello receives the same improvements to the transmission as the Stelvio.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: blackcat on January 27, 2024, 07:23:39 AM
Got my hands on a V100 Mandello for the first time on Saturday in Tulsa.

Wow!  What a nice machine!  The 15-degree temps meant we stayed in the comfort of Mother Road Motorsports' showroom, but since Michael D, and I, were the only "customers" in the house, we had free run.

The V100 Mandello is a beautiful machine in the flesh.  Top quality fit and finish.  And wow!  The seating position is perfect for me,  and for a sport-tourer.  Michael D, and I, were thoroughly impressed with the V100 Mandello, and the folks at Mother Road Motorsports seem top-notch.

On a side note, they had a blue '96 model Sport 1100 in the service department that we got to check out.  They're in the process of adding Ducati this spring.  So, if you're into Piaggio, Vespa, Aprilia, Moto Guzzi, and/or Ducati, these folks seem like the real-deal.  Glad to have an Italian bike dealer back in the region, and within 120 miles of home.

Did you order one or waiting to ride one along with a ride on a Stelvio?
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: rocker59 on January 27, 2024, 08:40:56 PM
Did you order one or waiting to ride one along with a ride on a Stelvio?

I'd like to check out the Stelvio, but have a feeling swinging a leg over will be difficult for me.  Arthritis is limiting range of motion in my hips.  I can just swing my leg over the pillion of the Mandello, and I'm more of a sport-touring rider, anyway.  The seating position reminded me of the V11 Nero Corsa, but a little more comfortable.  I liked it.

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Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: MLR on February 03, 2024, 12:23:04 PM
I was looking through the service manual online and didn't see any mention of balancing throttle bodies, I assume this must mean it has a single throttle body? Has anyone out there ridden their bike enough to require a valve service? Just curious if any were out of spec. I also wondered if anyone has figured out how to connect GuzziDiag to the new engine. I apologize if any of these questions have already been asked.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: MG_rider on February 03, 2024, 01:31:41 PM
Bike has 2 throttle bodies.
I would think balancing would be reviewed/adjusted with the service tool plugged in.  Welcome to CAN bus world!
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: MLR on February 03, 2024, 02:16:29 PM
I'm seriously thinking about buying one but I live 200 miles away from the nearest dealer and would like to be able to do my own service. Maybe that just isn't possible in the modern world. I wonder if you can buy a service tool, or are they limited to dealers only? Sure is nice just being able to connect to my Norge with a lap top and Guzzidiag.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Enzo Toma on February 04, 2024, 12:14:20 AM
Zach Courts at RevZilla just posted a "Daily Rider" review of the 2023 Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSfPWLiO9wY
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: steven c on February 04, 2024, 08:54:31 AM
 From his giggles I say he liked it. Reminds me ,ride wise a lot like my Buell. Which is a good thing.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: LowRyter on February 07, 2024, 09:18:40 PM
I was at a local dealer yesterday.  Saw a new V100 engine on a pallet.  After some banter, I learned it was for a warranty bike.  The engine regarding the subject bike had a machining defect that caused the liquid cooling and the oil to mix.  Not a good thing but at least they're taking care of the customer. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Bpreynolds2 on February 09, 2024, 09:17:40 AM
I was at a local dealer yesterday.  Saw a new V100 engine on a pallet.  After some banter, I learned it was for a warranty bike.  The engine regarding the subject bike had a machining defect that caused the liquid cooling and the oil to mix.  Not a good thing but at least they're taking care of the customer.

Wow.  Hope that is not an endemic issue.  It’s just one bike, so…
Regardless, that could really torpedo some sales if it turns up elsewhere. 
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: Moparnut72 on February 10, 2024, 08:20:45 AM
My 1400 dropped a valve at 500 miles before I bought it. Piaggio supplied a new motor. It still didn't deter me from buying it. Stuff like this happens to all manufacturers. Even so called perfect Honda cars have a a lot of recalls for defective parts and components.
kk
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: MLR on February 10, 2024, 12:19:58 PM
Has anybody here had the center stand option installed on theirs? Just wondering if it works well and if there are any ground clearance issues.
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: skippy on February 10, 2024, 02:06:07 PM
I have a centerstand on mine. It works well and I haven't noticed any clearance issues.

Skippy
Title: Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
Post by: MLR on February 10, 2024, 04:23:56 PM
thanks