V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest

[rocker59]

The slipper clutch is only useful on clutch less downshifts, 

Well, it also helps reduce rear wheel hop under hard deceleration.

Slipper clutches have been in superbikes for decades.

[Huzo]

Slipper clutches have been in superbikes for decades.

Yes.
But they don’t last 100,000+ kilometres. I hope the V100 is not heralding the entrance of Moto Guzzi into the “throw away bike” mentality.

[LowRyter]

My Duc has a slipper.  It's OK.  I like to blip the throttle when I downshift, actually one of the pleasures of riding.  I've felt it up on occasion.  Not often.

[rocker59]

Yes.
But they don’t last 100,000+ kilometres. I hope the V100 is not heralding the entrance of Moto Guzzi into the “throw away bike” mentality.

Well, it appears that the clutch on the new engine has easy access, so clutch changes should be much less of a chore, not that the new wet clutch will be needing it very often.

[bad Chad]

And how often does one use the slipper clutch in day to day riding?  Can't be that big a deal to replace either.

[Huzo]

And how often does one use the slipper clutch in day to day riding?  Can't be that big a deal to replace either.

Taking the tank off a Norge is not a big deal either, but I’ve read here, tales of guys that have balked at replacing inner plugs because it’s “ too hard to get the tank off and airbox out..” 
Nothing is a big deal until you come to pay for it..

[bad Chad]

You have a point young Huzo.   Happily there are a plethora of sub $12,000 bikes (AU/USA same point) that will keep those folks happy.

[Moparnut72]

If this already been posted I apologize. Good review from Motorcycle News.
kk
https://youtu.be/jiVv5YRtzyc

[Alfetta]

Michael does say that the active tank flaps didn't seem to to a thing...

[guido guzzi]

But does it have a sight glass? 

[Murray]

Yes.
But they don’t last 100,000+ kilometres. I hope the V100 is not heralding the entrance of Moto Guzzi into the “throw away bike” mentality.

Most modern bikes with the scheduled maintenance will easily pass that figure, they normally end up as track bikes long before that.

[skippy]

Chatted with the local dealer and went through the whole pre-order build on the website.  Looking at ordering a base model in red with engine guards, centerstand, heated grips, dash USB Aand panniers. All of the extras are dealer installed. The panniers are not color matched to the base models as they only come in black/grey so I guess I will find a local paint shop to fix this little over sight.

In order to make room in my stable I have listed my 06 V11 Breva in the swap meet.

Skippy

[bobrebos1]

WOW, Liquid cooked Moto Guzzi.  I really am too old!  Lol

[Huzo]

WOW, Liquid cooked Moto Guzzi.  I really am too old!  Lol

If the title was posed as a question, then the answer is yes and yes.
But worse oversights have been committed mate…

[Dave Swanson]

Yes Bob, you are definitely late to this game    It's been discussed on WG since 2021. 

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=112212.30

[blu guzz]

better late then never.  we probably have at least 6 more months to talk about it until the actual bikes show up, so, jump in, the water's fine.

[Moparnut72]

I have a '22 Bonneville. It is water cooled and fuel injected but to look at it you would never know. The radiator is quite well hidden and it has fake carburetors.
kk

[ridingron]

I've ridden a couple hundred thousand miles on water cooled bikes. Only 1 minor problem, the overflow hose spilt. Of course they were all one of those homogenized appliance soulless Honda bikes.

[rocker59]

Yes Bob, you are definitely late to this game    It's been discussed on WG since 2021. 

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=112212.30

I've gone ahead and merged this new merged thread into the original merged threadfest.

LOL!  Lots of talk about this bike over the past couple years...

I hope the bike pans out.  And, would really like to see a more retro-standard version in the lineup.

[Murray]

And how often does one use the slipper clutch in day to day riding?  Can't be that big a deal to replace either.

If you  ride as you normally do, never, its like a quick shifter you are not obliged to use it. Whats more likely is it allows the ABS system to clamp the rear brake as hard as possible with out stalling the motor irrespective of what gear its in and irrespective if the rider in their panic has pulled the clutch or not. Although with the concept been in bikes for the last 15 years the clutch may well be the stock RSV4 aprilia part that has the capability and rather than redesigning the part they have simply used it in the V100 as is.

Initially I was a little cold on the V100, with the ride reviews talking about massive mid range torque, I will be interested in a  test ride when a demo comes available. Massive mid range and about 120ish hp is around the 11degree tettasrtada motor made way back when and that is a brilliant road bike motor. Just need to see what the range of the v100 works out to be, the tank is kinda small although they have made some fairly stout fuel burn claims.

[ridingron]

...  Just need to see what the range of the v100 works out to be, the tank is kinda small although they have made some fairly stout fuel burn claims.   

Yes, I'll believe those claims when I see them. Remember to determine if they're Imperial gallons or US gallon miles. Imperial gal. is about 1.2 US gal.

[Murray]

I'm looking at the metric numbers. :P

[kingoffleece]

I have a hard time thinking most of the tech on bikes has any real significance in how most of us ride 99% of the time (on the road).
Huzo seems spot on, as usual.

[jrt]

If the technology is well implemented, you shouldn't even know you are using it.  I have an older Guzzi and a very modern BMW-  both are great; the Guzzi is very old-school in its clunky and charming demeanor and the BMW has lots of tech it in that works seamlessly for a very tight and smooth ride with suspension and traction control that adapts to the road.  I suspect the V100 experience will be closer to the BMW than the Guzzi.

[coast range rider]

I have a hard time thinking most of the tech on bikes has any real significance in how most of us ride 99% of the time (on the road).
Huzo seems spot on, as usual.

From my previous experience with the older version of Ohlins semi-active suspension, most will find it significant at least 99% of the time. It was missed after I replaced that bike.
On the other hand, cornering abs won't  have any real significance at least 99% of the time. Although at that rare time, if it saves your life, that's significant.

[coast range rider]

If the technology is well implemented, you shouldn't even know you are using it...

But every time I come to a stop and there is no front end dive I am reminded. Unless I had never ridden any other bike. In that case the tech implemented well would be invisible.
(BMW telelever excepted)

[Huzo]

I have a hard time thinking most of the tech on bikes has any real significance in how most of us ride 99% of the time (on the road).
Huzo seems spot on, as usual.

I’m happy to take on board technological advances like fabulous headlights, 20,000 km triple compound tyres, great quality brake pads, pointless ignition, (begrudgingly) EFI, exotic metallurgy allowing better performance and increased engine life etc…
What I detest, are additions that take away my command judgement (for better OR worse).
ABS
Traction control
Electronic suspension intervention
Ride modes…

I’ll accept innovations that enhance the quality of my existence on the bike, but I want to sink or swim on my own decisions and accept the consequences of poor ones or enjoy the outcome of a lifetime of hard won experience when it all goes well.
Descending a steep grade in the mountains on a wet road with bark strewn from log trucks, tipping into an off camber bend while still on the downhill before accelerating away back up the hill.
As you squeeze the front brake it’s 46 years of experience in the knuckles of your right hand, that are controlling your destiny and possible demise, I resent having a chip telling me what is best for me.
I find a certain deep seated gratification when I look at my Norge and can see the years on it, especially now it is on the business side of 200,000 k. You know that it’s your decisions and experience over 30,000 hours (est.) of riding where severe or injury or death awaits a poor choice and you have arrived here with a bike that looks 2 years old.
There’s a pride that exists.
It’s when a circuit board tells me what is best for my continued welfare that I bristle, even if it’s correct I want to make command decisions for myself.
Pilots know this as well.
Stick, rudder, throttle , flaps, carb heat…
They are most of the push/pull things that work for you or kill you stone motherless dead. There in lies the attraction and the separation between those that can and those that can’t. Again there’s a pride that you feel in knowing it’s YOU that commands the machine, not some pimple ridden genius in Silicon Valley…(but I do like glass instrument panels…. )

[Phil/TX]

JRT hit it on the head, I think we can expect a guzzi that is more like a BMW, which is not a bad thing. Most of the reviewers are use to high revving fours that don’t have a lot of torque until the exceed 6000 rpm. Most Guzzi’s have a lot of torque around 3 to 4000 rpm. That surprises these reviewers.

[blackcat]

……I think we can expect a guzzi that is more like a BMW, which is not a bad thing.

I haven’t ridden a “modern” BMW in many years, but what I don’t want is an engine that is so smooth that it fades in the background.

[Huzo]

Very few are going to settle for that screen.
Especially in the USA.