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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Numbercruncher on April 01, 2020, 11:32:45 AM
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The modest performance of the V7 III doesn't bother me as I didn't buy the bike for rip roaring acceleration. But a V85 would need to be able to haul myself and 50 pounds of gear and provide comfortable passing power from like 4th gear 40-70mph. I have not had a chance to ride a V85 and given the - financial hit it may be unwise for me to buy a new V85 anyway. But I am curious if anyone here has had experience on both a V7III as well as a V85 and can offer their thoughts on how much stronger the power delivery is? I doubt I'll buy a bike without riding one but since my local dealer is 300+ miles away and isn't open right now, I thought I would check here. Need to kill every extra minute I can.
NC
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NC
The V-9 has the same bore/stroke as the V-85 --- I don't know what the differences are but it almost has to be in the cam and the fueling .
The same could be with the V7II and the V7III , sort of , Heron head vs Hemi Head .
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I've got a V-9 Roamer and a V-7II.
The difference is "Night and Day" . The V-9 pulls , way-way-way better ! The V-7II passes one at a time the V-9 passed the whole string of them , and ya don't have to down shift to do it ! :azn:
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I can TRY, but I suspect the answer is kinda more personal and less spec sheet.
I have a Mk I V7, and a V7III, and last summer I followed the demo truck around and got time on the V9 Bobber Sport and the V85.
The V7III is more powerful than my V7 but both are a pleasure to own and ride.
The V9 Bobber was a huge surprise hit to ME, as it felt even more powerful still and had a feeling a little more like a big block than a smallblock. If you like such things it reminded me more of my old Jackal than of my V7.
The V85 felt more like our Ducati than it did another smallblock (like the V7 or V9). That's not good in MY book. Meaning it was a little low on power down in the rev range and didn't get jiggy until it was much higher in rpm than the other two. It felt like you needed to run the revs higher than I like. THAT SAID, if you like that rev range, the power was definitely there and it moves fine.
What I can't say from that is if you will think it can "provide comfortable passing power from like 4th gear 40-70mph."
PERSONALLY I find enough passing power in my V7s, though I do plan them well, and yeah the MKI could be a little quicker.
I DO think the V9s provide a kick in that range.
I SUSPECT the V85 would equal or better it that kick, I just don't have enough miles to say for sure in that gear. But whatever gear, as long as the revs were up, it would move.
I think a test ride is gonna be the only way YOU will know for sure if it meets YOUR needs.
I'd pass and go for a Bobber Sport, maybe a BS with a V7 fuel tank. But that's ME.
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Spec wise the V9 series appear to have almost no gain in hp and torque and also come with a much smaller fuel tank. I would only consider a V9 if it had at least a 5 gallon tank if not the 6 gallon from the V7.
And yeah I agree a test ride is in order. No way to really know without doing that but with just a little bit more time on my hands than is beneficial I thought I would see what kind of feedback I could get.
Thanks.
NC
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I own a V7iii Anniversario and rode a V85tt in Sardinia, for a whole day last October at the "Moto Guzzi Experience". The power and torque on the V85 are noticably higher on the V85, as the specifications imply. I think both have adequate power for the intended job. You would love the V85, I am planning on getting one after I sell my V7iii.
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Spec wise the V9 series appear to have almost no gain in hp and torque and also come with a much smaller fuel tank. I would only consider a V9 if it had at least a 5 gallon tank if not the 6 gallon from the V7.
And yeah I agree a test ride is in order. No way to really know without doing that but with just a little bit more time on my hands than is beneficial I thought I would see what kind of feedback I could get.
Thanks.
NC
Yeah, don't believe the specs, they don't tell the story. I really wasn't expecting to care for the BS, but instead I was gobsmacked.
And the 5.5g tank from a V7 would bolt right up.
Besides everyone is different, you might dig the V85, I think it's a great bike, just I know what I prefer in engine feel and that ain't it for me.
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Kev is right about the v9, pull much harder than specs say it should. Max torque does hit at a low 3000rpm, vs close to 5000 on the v7III.
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First gear on the V85 is useless on the street. Geared VERY low. I assume for off-road. Still getting used to that. Taking off in 2nd feels normal. All other Guzzis I've had (9) except my '67 Stornello scrambler (worse), you can really wring out 1st gear.
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The Anni bike is simply stunning. You must find a way to keep it while you add the V85. MUST!
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The Anni bike is simply stunning. You must find a way to keep it while you add the V85. MUST!
What I was thinking when I read his post.
I would love to have a V85, but not practical for my current riding, and not ready to part with anything in the garage.
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I’ve had both.
2 years I rode a V7lll. I liked it a lot, although admittedly, it had to grow on me. Also I will say that it took some tailoring to get it to a good place- like redoing the suspension and jacking up the rear of the bike before I could get it to fit me. The power was enough, but only just, as were the brakes. Something I didn’t really dig was the handling, which was heavy and felt reluctant to turn, or hold a line. All said though, it was beautiful and friendly and I do miss it.
I now have the v85. Ok- liveliness has returned. The handling is light and fun- this bike likes to corner. Kevm’s description of the motor’s desire to be revved I agree with, but to me it contributes to its lively feel- I dig it. I came off a BMW Gs prior to these bikes so I love the seating position of a big ADV bike. Having a bike with great suspension and brakes is nice again too. It’s kind of that Goldilocks size too- big enough to have good road presence and small enough that I find it manageable moving it around/ getting on and off. I guess it’s obvious that I’m a fan and couldn’t be happier with the switch.
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hey cam: for me, i like the lower gearing. all 3 of my bmw boxers had a first gear that required feathering the clutch if you had any load on the bike or even on the slightest hill. the worst offender was my 1150rt. it also contributed to an unrefined feel as well. with the 85, i can mostly just gas it and go regardless of the load. of course if you gas it too hard, the front end gets light. call me irresponsible, but i sometimes enjoy that feeling. i have about 4500 miles now and was riding twisties the other day and 3rd gear gives about 25-70 mph and that thing felt downright fast.
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hey cam: for me, i like the lower gearing. all 3 of my bmw boxers had a first gear that required feathering the clutch if you had any load on the bike or even on the slightest hill. the worst offender was my 1150rt. it also contributed to an unrefined feel as well. with the 85, i can mostly just gas it and go regardless of the load. of course if you gas it too hard, the front end gets light. call me irresponsible, but i sometimes enjoy that feeling. i have about 4500 miles now and was riding twisties the other day and 3rd gear gives about 25-70 mph and that thing felt downright fast.
There are definitely benefits. Guess my point is it's unlike most Guzzis I've had/have. I have just over 4,600 on mine too. Looking forward to adding to that. I'll be at the WNY Rally in early June, IF it goes.
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The Anni bike is simply stunning. You must find a way to keep it while you add the V85. MUST!
It really is a beautiful bike- i reckon someone will be really happy with it....
I suppose I could keep that and sell my 1400 Eldo, boo hoo.
I would ask the wife, but I fired her a long time ago- thus the danger of having THREE Guzzis in my garage, I just sold a T-3 to get me back down to two.
Talk about first world problems!
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It really is a beautiful bike- i reckon someone will be really happy with it....
I suppose I could keep that and sell my 1400 Eldo, boo hoo.
I would ask the wife, but I fired her a long time ago- thus the danger of having THREE Guzzis in my garage, I just sold a T-3 to get me back down to two.
Talk about first world problems!
Adding the TT to the stable would round it out nicely.
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Compared to other Guzzi’s, the V85 is a bit un Guzzi like in that the performance builds beautifully with revs and it WILL rev.
You believe Roper about the 80 hp thing until you wind through 5,000 rpm then the real sparkle starts along with the snarl from the pipe.
If you were going to use it two up with gear, I would suggest a good LONG test ride.
The limitations would begin to show if a headwind, hill and line of cars to pass, all occurred at the same time as they inevitably will.
I would ask the dealer for a long test and give him my word that if I like it, I will buy one.
He’ll say yes for sure.
It has to be half a day two up and solo in the hills and flats and at least 200 miles. You won’t know your answer in less.
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I owned a 2018 Milano that I traded for a v85tt. the v85tt is stronger of course seems like it revs quicker. I wanted a
mid sized dual sport that was drive shaft. like them both the newer small blocks are really nice.
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I have both, a V7-III Stone and a V85 TT.
IMHO, the V7 is a dinosaur compared to the V85.
Sorry guys!
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I have both, a V7-III Stone and a V85 TT.
IMHO, the V7 is a dinosaur compared to the V85.
Sorry guys!
Dinosaurs can be fun. :bike-037:
With the suspension upgrades I find the V7III to be quite capable where I ride.
I'm afraid to try the V85, because just sitting on it was amazing.
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I have both, a V7-III Stone and a V85 TT.
IMHO, the V7 is a dinosaur compared to the V85.
Sorry guys!
Meh, I like what I likes.
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Yep. The older I get the more I like my dinosaurs. I'm pretty sure I hate saying that, though!
Having passing power in the hills, though, is no joke. In PA sometimes you have about 500 yards to pass, uphill, and that ain't much.
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Sounds like you need a 1400. :evil:
kk
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So two things. Optimum Performance Motorsports in Kirkland is still open and doing test rides. Second, having ridden both a bit, V85 hands down. Far more comfortable, the dash is freaking awesome, the pickup is great on it, can run through the gears and not even realize you're speeding, it's pretty smooth at freeway speeds and doesnt have an issue dropping a gear to pull and pass. V7 for what it is, is nice. But for dealing with traffic, you're gonna go with the flow. I enjoy the seating position and windscreen on the V85 as well.
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I can TRY, but I suspect the answer is kinda more personal and less spec sheet.
I have a Mk I V7, and a V7III, and last summer I followed the demo truck around and got time on the V9 Bobber Sport and the V85.
The V7III is more powerful than my V7 but both are a pleasure to own and ride.
The V9 Bobber was a huge surprise hit to ME, as it felt even more powerful still and had a feeling a little more like a big block than a smallblock. If you like such things it reminded me more of my old Jackal than of my V7.
The V85 felt more like our Ducati than it did another smallblock (like the V7 or V9). That's not good in MY book. Meaning it was a little low on power down in the rev range and didn't get jiggy until it was much higher in rpm than the other two. It felt like you needed to run the revs higher than I like. THAT SAID, if you like that rev range, the power was definitely there and it moves fine.
What I can't say from that is if you will think it can "provide comfortable passing power from like 4th gear 40-70mph."
PERSONALLY I find enough passing power in my V7s, though I do plan them well, and yeah the MKI could be a little quicker.
I DO think the V9s provide a kick in that range.
I SUSPECT the V85 would equal or better it that kick, I just don't have enough miles to say for sure in that gear. But whatever gear, as long as the revs were up, it would move.
I think a test ride is gonna be the only way YOU will know for sure if it meets YOUR needs.
I'd pass and go for a Bobber Sport, maybe a BS with a V7 fuel tank. But that's ME.
Pretty much exactly as I'd state it. :thumb:
I've owned 2 different V7 models (Stone and V7III Stone), a V9 Roamer, and I recently spent some quality time aboard a V85TT. Given how much I love, love, loved the Roamer (my favorite Guzzi engine to date) and the seating position of the V85TT, and how much I love Guzzis overall (had about 11 different ones in the past), I really, really, really wanted to like the V85TT. I didn't. Compared to my previous Roamer and V7 it felt flat on the bottom and like Kev says, I found myself surprisingly having to give it more throttle to get moving and too, that combination of the big tire on the front end and it's enduro tread felt super vague to me. These are likely more personal tastes that objective ones, but they are my take.
Also, someone mentioned the small tank on the V9 as being a deterrent for buying. It is most certainly not. In fact, somehow, someway I got considerably better mpg on my Roamer than either of my wonderful V7s. In general, with both V7s I would get on average about 40-44mpg and a high of about 48 ever. On my Roamer it got 45-50 always and a high of 55 or something on a couple of trips. Though a smaller tank, that translated into comparable range and certainly not "enough" of a difference to greatly matter to me that I could get a few more miles out of the V7.
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Pretty much exactly as I'd state it. :thumb:
I've owned 2 different V7 models (Stone and V7III Stone), a V9 Roamer, and I recently spent some quality time aboard a V85TT. Given how much I love, love, loved the Roamer (my favorite Guzzi engine to date) and the seating position of the V85TT, and how much I love Guzzis overall (had about 11 different ones in the past), I really, really, really wanted to like the V85TT. I didn't. Compared to my previous Roamer and V7 it felt flat on the bottom and like Kev says, I found myself surprisingly having to give it more throttle to get moving and too, that combination of the big tire on the front end and it's enduro tread felt super vague to me. These are likely more personal tastes that objective ones, but they are my take.
Also, someone mentioned the small tank on the V9 as being a deterrent for buying. It is most certainly not. In fact, somehow, someway I got considerably better mpg on my Roamer than either of my wonderful V7s. In general, with both V7s I would get on average about 40-44mpg and a high of about 48 ever. On my Roamer it got 45-50 always and a high of 55 or something on a couple of trips. Though a smaller tank, that translated into comparable range and certainly not "enough" of a difference to greatly matter to me that I could get a few more miles out of the V7.
You must ride wide open and at high speeds or are loaded down to get those mileage numbers. I am in the low 50 mpg on the roadglide, low 60s on the v7, low 70s on the Himalayan, and mid 80s on the van van.
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You must ride wide open and at high speeds or are loaded down to get those mileage numbers. I am in the low 50 mpg on the roadglide, low 60s on the v7, low 70s on the Himalayan, and mid 80s on the van van.
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I'm with TwoWheelAddict ,
The V7II averages in the mid 50's mpg
The V9 Roamer averages in the low 60's mpg
Maybe we have better Gas here in the South ???
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Gas mileage is really gonna vary with region/ambient conditions and usage.
Variables will include oxygenated fuels, ethanol content, altitude, temperature, load, wind, incline, etc.
I routinely get better mileage on road trips (especially at altitude) than I can manage on daily, even leisurely rides here in the flat, sea-level, home of oxygenated fuels. BUT, I rarely match some of what I hear.
Road King - typically get 39-41 mpg. I THINK BEST was maybe 45 mpg.
V7 I - typically get mid 40s. I THINK best was maybe 52ish.
V7III - typically get about 50. I THINK best was maybe 55ish.
Ducati - typically get about 48. I THINK best was maybe 52ish.
Though if you take over 100# less with you (i.e. you put Jenn on the Duc or III instead of me) and those numbers always go up. Part of that is load, part of that might be wind resistance, part of that is definitely throttle management.
Anyway, my whole point is that there are a lot of factors.
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Just dug up this thread regarding small block power and upgrades.
I heard the Wiseco has a big bore kit for V7/V9 models. The local guy at Motiv designed the kit with them.
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I own both. 2018 V7III and 2021 V85. The V85 does have more power and it is noticeable. It is especially handy on the interstate and riding 2 up. I outfitted the V85 with a tall Madstad screen and heated grips and these plus it’s higher bars and better leg room make it an ideal all day touring ride for me. That said I still enjoy taking the V7 on day rides. Just make sure to take it up in the 6k range and it does the job. So should you get a V85? Do you want to do all day touring, a little light off road, etc? If so consider the V85. If I had to pick one it would be the V85. I put over 10k on the v85 last year and probably less than 2 on the v7.
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Living with a bike really reveals so much more than a test ride-which I never felt revealed anything of value unless it was a glaring issue-but now having the V85 for 7 months and understanding this bike it's really grown on me. Like Cam mentioned, sometimes 1st is too short-no worries, just start in 2nd. But a few times on dirt roads 1st was just perfect and nice to have. On the beautiful twisties we have here in Phoenix and surrounding areas keep the revs up and wind 3rd or 4th for mile after mile. Great fun.
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Interesting thread and I guess more than a few people are about to call BS on me here. I recently obtained my 2nd test ride on a V85TT. Granted, test rides were on bikes that had less than 200 miles so they were not greatly broken in so much. This all being said, my former Roamer, lighter but supposedly less power, felt more at ease doing highway speeds of 75-80 than the V85TT. The V85TT felt a lot more punchy in basic city riding and such, especially when you revved it out. But on the highway at a steady 75, the Roamer engine just felt more relaxed. That’s my impression from those specific demo bikes I rode. Just saying. :grin:
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BP: It is not completely surprising. The V9 sat lower and had pure street tires. There was plenty of oomph on that bike too with the difference not really being noticed between the two until pushing the bikes pretty hard. My 85 started off feeling very good and only improved a little over time unlike German bikes I have owned.
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Interesting thread and I guess more than a few people are about to call BS on me here. I recently obtained my 2nd test ride on a V85TT. Granted, test rides were on bikes that had less than 200 miles so they were not greatly broken in so much. This all being said, my former Roamer, lighter but supposedly less power, felt more at ease doing highway speeds of 75-80 than the V85TT. The V85TT felt a lot more punchy in basic city riding and such. That’s my impression from those specific demo bikes I rode. Just saying. :grin:
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I had a V7 III for a couple years then went for the V85TT. It's noticeably more powerful than the 750cc III but the main thing for me is the longer travel, plusher suspension. For the mixed surface riding I do the V85 suspension, 19" front wheel and ride modes make a huge difference.
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Same here vs the V7 II I had, only more so I imagine. I'm not sure how the suspension compares between a V7II, V7III, and V7 850 but the suspension on a V85 is FAR nicer than a V7II. My 21 V85TT has noticeably more torque and power than the V7II everywhere, from bottom to top. I'd think a V85 and V7 850 would have similar performance with the 850 having less power but also less weight. I've not seen a gearing comparison between the V7 850 and V85TT, I assume the V85 has a lower FD ratio?
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No v7 will have the power of the v85 unless you turbo it.
No amount of $$$ will give you the suspension of the v85. Case closed!
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I will give you the suspension of the two style bikes are operating in different time zones. However Vagrant, the new v7 has the same motor as the v85, be it tuned differently. The v7 claimed hp is something like 10-13 less than the 85. And I would expect the 85 to be quicker, but by how much?
I’d like to see some side by side comparison, like we used to get before the internet destroyed print magazines. I realize the op wasn’t asking about the v7 850, but Vagrant’s comment got me wondering.
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for those looking for more performance, I reopened this thread to advise of Wiseco big bore kit..
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No v7 will have the power of the v85 unless you turbo it.
No amount of $$$ will give you the suspension of the v85. Case closed!
Har Har. :grin: I’m calling Hyperbole! :grin:
The V7III makes 48 hp at the rear wheel and 44.3 torque at 4800 rpm pushing a bike that is about 425lbs wet. The V85TT makes 68 hp and 48 torque higher in the rev range at 5300, this pushing a bike that weighs 504lbs wet. It’s 20 more horsepower higher up and moving a bike that weighs 80lbs more. Throw on your big ol TT boxes and that’s going to look more like 100lbs more. Those aren’t turbo differences, especially when riding on the street.
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I put 9000 miles on a 2018 V7iii with Agostinis and a Beetle tune. I have 14000 on my V85. It has a Y pipe, Mistrel no cat exhaust, Vtwin boost dongle and SAS delete. The V85 beats a iii throughout the rpm range They are closest up to 3500 rpm then it's game over the V85 continues pulling much harder all the way to redline. The V7 runs out of steam at 6000_6500.
As for the V7 850, I'll let ya know. Picking one up from Cadre Friday! :thumb:
Don't misunderstand,I really liked the iii and would have no problem owning another one,but there is pretty big difference. YMMV :popcorn:
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Congratulations Chethro, what V7?
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Or just to throw some sand in the gears............yo u could wait for the new Stelvio, based on the V100 engine. But that could be another year or two away.
I have a V7III Special, Agostinis, Conti tires, Hagon Nitro shocks.......and love the damn thing. But I ride solo......wife won't even go down the street with me. I find it has plenty of real world power and I love the handling. Keep it between 4 and 6,500 and all is well in the world. I test rode the V85 and really liked it overall, a bit more power....noticeable but not huge, greater suspension travel of course, spot on handling. I liked it a lot, but not the seat, and overall not more than my V Strom 650. For my light touring and 5 day trips I think the V Strom is better, if a bit boring. I am waiting for a V100 or a Stelvio, which will be my last bike before retirement......exc ept maybe a Trail 125.
Scott
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....I am waiting for a V100 or a Stelvio, which will be my last bike before retirement......except maybe a Trail 125.
Scott
Just announced for here in the US, Honda XR150. More capable than a Trail 125 and $1,000 less expensive!
https://powersports.honda.com/motorcycle/dual-sport/xr150l
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Nah, still rather have the Trail 125....think I might do the NY State BDR on it......would be a hoot!
Scott
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Turns out the person that won the Cadre Stone raffle bike didn't want it so Enzo made me a good deal on it and I snapped it up. Picking it up next weekend. Going to turn it into a V7-850 carbon dark replica minus the carbon. :grin:
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My advice, since nobody asked, don’t wait till next year. The time comes, usually too fast for most of us, when tomorrow either doesn’t show up, or shows up with an entirely different agenda.
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I will give you the suspension of the two style bikes are operating in different time zones. However Vagrant, the new v7 has the same motor as the v85, be it tuned differently. The v7 claimed hp is something like 10-13 less than the 85. And I would expect the 85 to be quicker, but by how much?
I’d like to see some side by side comparison, like we used to get before the internet destroyed print magazines. I realize the op wasn’t asking about the v7 850, but Vagrant’s comment got me wondering.
Wrong! Same block and bore. Guts are diffrent. Covered many times here. Search.
Remember when Chevy had a 327 with 250 hp and the same block in a Corvette with 375 hp? Same thing here!
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.....a bike cannot be both better and boring. Boring is the death of better, just MHO of course.
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Hello, I have purchased recently a 2021 V7 850 Special as well as a 2022 V85TT Travel/Centenario (Travel with Centinario body panels changed out as well as seat) this allowed me to get all the extra options of the travel version with the beauty of the Centinario color; I enjoy both of them; the V7 is a little more of a sporty ride; while the V85 is more of a planted longer distance ride. Take care, John.
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As of last summer, I now own both a V7III, and a V85TT.
LOVE RIDING BOTH!
For me the V7III is more comfortable ergonomically, but the V85TT can be ridden much faster through the curves. More confidence inspiring.
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Last summer I rented a V85TT for two weeks riding in northern Italy and a friend rented the V7 III. My friend is short guy and the V7III fitted him well. I swapped bikes a bit but after riding the TT. I sure liked it a lot more than the V7. I found the TT much more comfortable, we rode mostly secondary roads, lots and lots of curves. The V7 was real nice up to 65 mph, after that it seemed a bit weak. On the AutoStrada I found the V7 to be lacking. For short rides of a couple hours the V7 was ok but not for any long touring IMHO.
To each his own, what do I know, I still have a KLR 650, the epitome of a dinosaur.
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Wrong! Same block and bore. Guts are diffrent. Covered many times here. Search.
Remember when Chevy had a 327 with 250 hp and the same block in a Corvette with 375 hp? Same thing here!
Yup v85 has very different internals and ECU to include throttle body. The New V7 and V9 850s are basically the same engine wise though.
I’ve yet to ride a new v7 850, not really interested. My V7ii Stornello TT is great.
One day I will return it to the stock scrambler setup, but will keep in current TT mode till I decide to upgrade to a v85, new Stelvio, or the just announced Buell adventure touring bike.
The new V85 in the blue and white with red frame looks great to my eye. Still not a fan of the throttle by wire system or digital dash, but resistance is futile if you want a current bike it seems.
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.....a bike cannot be both better and boring. Boring is the death of better, just MHO of course.
I understand the sentiment, but have to disagree on this. But that is why there those that prefer chocolate or vanilla. That stretched out V Strom fits me better, has plusher suspension for the road and dirt road riding. And it has an overall smoother engine. And that is where the boring comes in. I MUCH prefer the V7 or V85 engine for fun and character, but not for those 8 hour days. And the Strom has a really harsh vibration at around 5,000 that is most annoying, so I avoid cruising at that rpm. Plus I own it and it is paid for!
Scott
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My RK is supposed to be going to a new home soon.
I am going to try and survive with only one personal bike (and access to two more).
But I can't help but keep looking at a used Roamer listed for a pittance in a nearby state.
I know I don't need it.
But but but but but ...
(I still don't want/like the V85, it's not the motor or bike for me).
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My RK is supposed to be going to a new home soon.
I am going to try and survive with only one personal bike (and access to two more).
But I can't help but keep looking at a used Roamer listed for a pittance in a nearby state.
I know I don't need it.
But but but but but ...
(I still don't want/like the V85, it's not the motor or bike for me).
5499 for that Roamer is a good deal. :evil:
After quite a few years on the HD touring platform; 2 RKs, 1 Ultra, 1 EG, I sold my EG last year and must say I don't miss having a HD touring rig. I enjoyed them but that chapter is now closed.
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I had a 2016 v711, currently 2022 V85tt no complaints on either except the suspension on the v7 was awful for now the V85tt does everything I want it to do. ( Hey Kev Kissell motor sports in Tyrone Pa had a roamer listed on there website maybe that’s the one your referring to not sure if it’s still available )
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My RK is supposed to be going to a new home soon.
I am going to try and survive with only one personal bike (and access to two more).
But I can't help but keep looking at a used Roamer listed for a pittance in a nearby state.
I know I don't need it.
But but but but but ...
(I still don't want/like the V85, it's not the motor or bike for me).
Go for the Bobber Sport…. You know you want one.
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I'm a little nervous about the sale.
I actually forgot I had it listed and had convinced myself I was going to be happy keeping it when I got a phone call out of the blue.
But I really could use the room in the garage and I really DON'T need that much touring capability in my life in the foreseeable future.
Still it's the biggest, most capable, comfortable bike I own and I'll be giving that up.
Part of me wonders if that Roamer might not fit the bill a little better than my MKI V7. But I definitely don't want to get rid of my V7.
And I can't get rid of the other two cause they're Jenn's.
And if I get rid of the RK only to replace it immediately (even with something only half its size) I haven't really gained any room in the garage which is one of my stated purposes. And I haven't lightened the load on maintenance and rotation, which is another stated purpose. I dunno.
I guess I'm trying to talk myself out of making an offer on the Roamer (yes that's the one and it's the right color, and seemingly still available if the website is up to date).
Maybe I should just wait until the buyer actually picks up the RK hopefully later this month... and then see what happens. If I'm lucky the Roamer will be sold by then and I won't have to worry about it.
PS - yeah, I've also seen the new Bobber Sport at Xtreme as well. Same story....
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Well, I had to sell two bikes that I absolutely adored with our move west, garage space and all that, and not a day goes by that I kick myself about it.
That helps none I realize............ ... :evil:
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Well, I had to sell two bikes that I absolutely adored with our move west, garage space and all that, and not a day goes by that I kick myself about it.
That helps none I realize............ ... :evil:
NOT A LICK :laugh: :boozing: :shocked:
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You do know cars can be parked outside.
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You do know cars can be parked outside.
You do you.
Granted we've had a snow free winter, but I am not asking Jenn to put her truck outside and then watch her have to clean off snow before an emergent call to the hospital. Nor should she have to freeze her butt off any given morning. Not to mention it cost more than double the total of everything in our cycle fleet combined.
Nor am I putting my Jeep outside with no top or windows on it half the year.
It's not worth it to me just to make sure we can have a 4th motorcycle.
Plus, if things go well we're going to look into a garage expansion. I can always buy a 4th again then if I still want it.
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Part of me wonders if that Roamer might not fit the bill a little better than my MKI V7. But I definitely don't want to get rid of my V7.
I thought it toured quite well and so wacky efficient even with that smaller tank I never once wanted for more range. Ultimately, it left my garage only due to my own stupid lust for anything new and shiny, and also to a lesser degree some lower back issues that I was having at the time (not the fault of the bike and later remedied greatly through some consistent PT). I had a larger screen I bolted up (took 5 minutes tops) to the OEM mounts when I was on the highway, installed the smaller one once at a destination. After 4 different 1100 models, a 1400 Eldo, 2 V7 variants (V7 ‘14 and V7II), 2 different 8V Grisos, Norge, Stelvio, and a Hydro Stone I turned inside out, the Roamer is still my FAVORITE.
(https://i.ibb.co/1q8FXYZ/6-E60487-E-2-B3-F-4-E14-85-C2-80-A3025320-A0.png) (https://ibb.co/1q8FXYZ)
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You do you.
Granted we've had a snow free winter, but I am not asking Jenn to put her truck outside and then watch her have to clean off snow before an emergent call to the hospital. Nor should she have to freeze her butt off any given morning. Not to mention it cost more than double the total of everything in our cycle fleet combined.
Nor am I putting my Jeep outside with no top or windows on it half the year.
It's not worth it to me just to make sure we can have a 4th motorcycle.
Plus, if things go well we're going to look into a garage expansion. I can always buy a 4th again then if I still want it.
Pretty easy to increase garage space.
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I thought it toured quite well and so wacky efficient even with that smaller tank I never once wanted for more range. Ultimately, it left my garage only due to my own stupid lust for anything new and shiny, and also to a lesser degree some lower back issues that I was having at the time (not the fault of the bike and later remedied greatly through some consistent PT). I had a larger screen I bolted up (took 5 minutes tops) to the OEM mounts when I was on the highway, installed the smaller one once at a destination. After 4 different 1100 models, a 1400 Eldo, 2 V7 variants (V7 ‘14 and V7II), 2 different 8V Grisos, Norge, Stelvio, and a Hydro Stone I turned inside out, the Roamer is still my FAVORITE.
(https://i.ibb.co/1q8FXYZ/6-E60487-E-2-B3-F-4-E14-85-C2-80-A3025320-A0.png) (https://ibb.co/1q8FXYZ)
:thumb:
** sigh **
Pretty easy to increase garage space.
Not really most of our property is wetlands thanks to the lake... but there might be a way.
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I own a 2017 V7 Stone and test rode the V100 and V85 last weekend.
Spite's Corner has done a review on V85 and V100. See links below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njhOQc4-iOo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG9RbNyoyPg
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I test rode the V85 and the V100 at AF1 last weekend.
The V85 is very Moto Guzzi like and similar to the V7III. Engine sounds similar, and it has a little more power, better suspension and features. I like adventure bikes but cannot flat foot on most of the bikes including the V85.
The V100 was a completely different animal. Standard seat is lower (and there is a lower seat option), and it had much more power and felt like my 2017 Ducati SuperSport bike from a power standpoint. Engine revs higher, and bike handles better and feels much lighter possibly to lower center weight. the V100 has a completely different feel than the V85 of V7III. Brakes are far superior on the V100. It feels more like a Ducati L twin in power and character than a Moto Guzzi.
The V100 has a more sport sitting and riding position, but nothing like a sport bike. Ergonomics on the V85 are more upright with handle bars closer to rider. The V85 is has a comfortable riding position similar to sitting in a chair. Like the V7III, riding position is very relaxed and easy to ride. I just can't flat foot on V85. Probably need a minimum 32 inseam to flat foot.
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I test rode the V85 and the V100 at AF1 last weekend.
The V85 is very Moto Guzzi like and similar to the V7III. Engine sounds similar, and it has a little more power, better suspension and features. I like adventure bikes but cannot flat foot on most of the bikes including the V85.
The V100 was a completely different animal. Standard seat is lower (and there is a lower seat option), and it had much more power and felt like my 2017 Ducati SuperSport bike from a power standpoint. Engine revs higher, and bike handles better and feels much lighter possibly to lower center weight. the V100 has a completely different feel than the V85 of V7III. Brakes are far superior on the V100. It feels more like a Ducati L twin in power and character than a Moto Guzzi.
The V100 has a more sport sitting and riding position, but nothing like a sport bike. Ergonomics on the V85 are more upright with handle bars closer to rider. The V85 is has a comfortable riding position similar to sitting in a chair. Like the V7III, riding position is very relaxed and easy to ride. I just can't flat foot on V85. Probably need a minimum 32 inseam to flat foot.
Just when I was feeling satisfied with my V7III and V85, you had to bring up the V100. This is going to be a tough year. Maybe I should start a GoFundMe....
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You do you.
Granted we've had a snow free winter, but I am not asking Jenn to put her truck outside and then watch her have to clean off snow before an emergent call to the hospital. Nor should she have to freeze her butt off any given morning. Not to mention it cost more than double the total of everything in our cycle fleet combined.
Nor am I putting my Jeep outside with no top or windows on it half the year.
It's not worth it to me just to make sure we can have a 4th motorcycle.
Plus, if things go well we're going to look into a garage expansion. I can always buy a 4th again then if I still want it.
Cudos to you Kev, very well put . Living in a cold and snowy part of any Country/State ,who wants to keep any Car/Truck outside.
I'd say,.... 'Garage expension'.
Myself ,moved our Bikes including shop into my Mother in Law ,...around the corner from us :wink: best thing ever ,she always has coffee on .
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Cudos to you Kev, very well put . Living in a cold and snowy part of any Country/State ,who wants to keep any Car/Truck outside.
I'd say,.... 'Garage expension'.
Myself ,moved our Bikes including shop into my Mother in Law ,...around the corner from us :wink: best thing ever ,she always has coffee on .
Even in the southeast the UV will destroy your vehicle. Everything is under cover on my property except my enclosed trailer.
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Sorry ,very true ! UV is a Bastard, seats, tires and paint.
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I guess I'm trying to talk myself out of making an offer on the Roamer (yes that's the one and it's the right color, and seemingly still available if the website is up to date).
Maybe I should just wait until the buyer actually picks up the RK hopefully later this month... and then see what happens. If I'm lucky the Roamer will be sold by then and I won't have to worry about it.
PS - yeah, I've also seen the new Bobber Sport at Xtreme as well. Same story....
WINNING!!!
I noticed on FacePlace the other day that XPS finally sold that Bobber Sport - so I can stop thinking about IT.
And then this morning I saw that Kissel has taken a deposit on the Roamer - so I can stop thinking about THAT too.
Thanks to those who bought them!
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ha ha ha
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Interesting thread and I guess more than a few people are about to call BS on me here. I recently obtained my 2nd test ride on a V85TT. Granted, test rides were on bikes that had less than 200 miles so they were not greatly broken in so much. This all being said, my former Roamer, lighter but supposedly less power, felt more at ease doing highway speeds of 75-80 than the V85TT. The V85TT felt a lot more punchy in basic city riding and such, especially when you revved it out. But on the highway at a steady 75, the Roamer engine just felt more relaxed. That’s my impression from those specific demo bikes I rode. Just saying. :grin:
If I could have bought a V85 with the V9 motor for less money, I would certainly have ridden both back to back.
I’ve not been on a V9, but would have a go if opportunity knocked.