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In 1880 there was no infrastructure to support IC powered vehicles , we built that system in stages . No idea why this is so hard to understand , it's like some people think the IC engine has always been around , how can we possibly live sans IC engines ? Reality is , they represent a blip in time , most of our great great grandparents never drove a car powered by an IC engine , hell , most probably thought cars would never become common . Technology moves us to new things , sometimes good , sometimes not , but as a whole we almost never go backwards . Even those of us who are still riding 1972 loop frame models would look just like someone riding a 2021 V9 to someone from 1880 . Dusty
Too many people never look at the bigger picture..The biggest problem with consumers in general is consumption.
You guys resisting EV has become comical, shaking your little T-Rex fists at the oncoming EV glacier.-AJ
Understand the thrust of your argument here but a few extra dimensions. The biggest limiting factor with electric vehicles is the battery technology, a battery simply cannot compete with the energy density of gasoline, it's around 1/100th that of gasoline. The battery has been around now for 221 years (invented practically in 1800) so it's had well over 200 years of development to date and is still a million miles short of the energy density of gasoline. Of course the development isn't linier for all sorts of reasons so we won't go down that path but the example of the ICE in 1880 has a few problems as well due to the fact that the ICE was competing against a horse basically as a mode of transport for the individual and therefor the future potential was blindingly obvious which drove the development at a high rate. Not quite the same dynamic for the development trajectory of the battery. Truth is I'm all for electric modes of transport I just don't see them as something that will replace the ICE anytime in the foreseeable future. I believe we will end up with a mix of battery powered vehicles that provide utility in their space and the ICE the same. A mixed outcome. Ciao
Batteries are far predate 1800 AD. Bagdad battery predates Christ.
Ah yes the electric motor and battery are amazing new tech.
I've worked in the field since 1995, directly in R&D of electric vehicle propulsion since 2012, including having engineering responsibility for development budgets in the range of tens of millions of dollars. Wanting a certain dogma to come true doesn't mean its going to
I am wishing I had closed the deal on the EV car I almost bought at the beginning of this year with the lines at the gas pumps and stations running out in the southeast. I would definitely own an electric motorcycle and enjoyed the Livewire test ride so much that if I were a rich man I would definitely own one and ride it every chance I could. When I ride around and see all the million dollar homes I know there are plenty of people out there that don't blink at $100,000 cars and $30,000 motorcycles. I wished I would bought plywood and 2 x 4's last year. Harley is probably spinning off the electric division because those who would buy electric are afraid of the big bad bikers at the Harley Dealerships. They want mocha lattes while they look at the electric offerings, no beer in the blue can.
Look fellas , keep your political beliefs out of this , capeesh ? Dusty
Not being combative her but "political beliefs"? Please give give me a heads up on this because I reviewed the posts on this page and can't find anything. Am I missing something?Ciao
Wonder why that is Phil ? Dusty
I'd like to demo one, and I like the idea. I worry the lifespan of the battery, and about it's capability to fully charge over time. Unlike an EV car, an electric motorcycle is not going to be basic transportation for most, it's a toy. What's it going to cost to replace the batteries? Do you just throw the bike away at that point? My 52 year old guzzi runs like a top.
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