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"That's life" it's an easy throw away statement until it's your own machine that's affected. It's a bit like "no worries it's got a warranty" Has anyone ever utilised the wonderful and amazingly easy and hassle free pathway most warranty claim end to end processes are for anything of a remotely technical nature is these days? I love fuel injection, wouldn't want to go back to carbs for any money but integrating the ecu and sensors into one unit is beneficially done for the manufacturer not the future owners. Cheaper, easier assembly, easier packaging and less wiring. It's not done for the good of the owner. Combine this with incompetent dealership mechanics and short warranty periods for motorcycles compared to the car world and there's room for concern. My V11 sport which has only done 42,000klm has had the ecu replaced (recently by me) for a failed baro sensor which is not that uncommon and has happened enough for there to be "home ecu repair" information on it for those with the abilities to carry out ecu disassembly and micro soldering. The previous 16M ecu had the baro sensor separate and easily replaceable. On the same bike I've re bushed and replaced the seals on the throttle body shafts ( a task I've done on 2 other Guzzi throttle bodies now) and they are good for about 50,000klms before shaft bushing wear starts affecting the low speed running and idle. It's not an objection to technology for many it's an objection to integrating technology in a manner that's a risk for the owner in the medium to long term future. I know many people that stick to older vehicles because of this very concern and they aren't fools and luddites with regards to engineering skills believe me. What they are is smart enough to read the "tea leaves" with regards to future potential grief when "that's life" happens. I love advancements in technology, bring it on I say but be aware who's the ultimate beneficiary, the owner or the manufacturer. Not really an issue for those that turn their vehicles over every 3-5 years but for those without access to a convenient technically competent dealer or are the "keeper type" it's worth considering the "modularisation" of the componentry. Ciao
So much for simple. Dang.Sarah
. ...If I pull the bike from them I expect they will require payment for searching for the problem.
Isn’t your bike still under the manufacturers warranty? If so, I would think that the “ diagnosis” would be covered by Piaggio. Don’t be surprised if they try to blame you, for by passing the kick stand switch. Just my opinion, but they should provide you with a loaner.
well thank you for posting that manual regarding the electronics. My favorite part :"As a result, the functionality of these devices can only be tested with the diagnostic software. The unit is contained in a sealed casing. In the event ofmalfunction of any of the internal devices, the entire unit mustbe replaced."I know this was mentioned a few times. Does not seem like a bad system but I dont like the integrated unit. If this craps out after warranty I might be tempted to do something crazy like carbs. Hopefully wont come to that and I dont know if thats feasible. Just to be clear the dealer I took this to is not MPH and I would like to state I have not had any dealings with MPH but I what I heard is positive and that I know they are always busy. Im glad I bought the bike from AF1 but Im hoping this sorts this out and I dont see this Houston dealer lasting long.
If it was a loose connection on a monitored circuit (most EFI inputs and outputs) the ECU should set a trouble code saying that circuit is open, shorted, or out of range But I'm sure there are exceptions.
That of course is another issue. Getting warranty service at a dealer you didn't buy the product from is a cause for heartburn for many shops. I've had friends tell me that a shop told them to bring it back to the selling dealer because they didn't have time to deal with it. I've had shops blow me off when it wasn't some straight forward parts change.
. I get what your saying. It did say alarm ecu disconnect on the speedometer itself. So that’s what leads to think that. But it maybe unrelated. Mostly it’s brainstorming at this point until I find if they fixed it or not.
In a dragged out case like this, the tech should be willing to speak to the customer and provide the specifics. In my opinion.Sarah
Off track here, but "secondary battery????" WTF? I knew cars were getting ever more complex but really? A second battery buried under the dash somewhere? We're getting into jet-aircraft levels of complexity at this point. And I actually liked the little Mercedes GLA. Oh well, scratch that one off the list.
Great now you just assured he's gonna have problems with his wedding tackle too.
Thanks for the kind thoughts recommendations and personal messages with advice and phone numbers of who to contact. I told the tech what happened and honestly I’m being reaffirmed in my desire to avoid tech’s.I’m wishing I just traced the problem myself. I find this board more helpful than most of the Motorcycle techs. In the meantime I’ve been practically rebuilding this 2007 Mini Cooper s one thing has lead to another and I finished the turbo and timing chain, crankshaft seal, new belt, new catalytic converter, new exhaust seal, and am now going to replace the clutch and flywheel. It’s running good it just decided to give up the clutch after a second opinion it needs a new one. So here we go. Should be entertaining.
Did you replace VANOS solenoids?
Was it the “downstairs plumbing..” ?