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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2017, 04:54:02 PM »
They're out there, but deals are hard to come by. I want a white SS as well, but since I refuse to pay full retail I guess I'll have to wait until the initial rush wears off.

There's a bunch of them out there.   I am not sure why it's hard to get a deal.

I wanted (as in past tense, see below) a red one.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2017, 05:00:54 PM »
Not for nothing, but as a third or fourth bike you get to enjoy a Ducati with nothing more than annual oil changes and a belt/shim service every say 5 or more years.

No one said you had to put 10-20k miles per year on it.

 Uh , it still costs the same per mile . Kinda like all of those HD types that bragged about resale , W/O ever factoring in how much interest they were paying on an overpriced motorbike VS a $9,000.00 Honda .

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #62 on: September 15, 2017, 05:05:52 PM »
I yacked with my local mechanic, the Duc specialist that tore my greenie into a million parts.

He made a call and confirmed what you guys have been saying.  The oil minder won't cause the bike to go into limp mode but as said elsewhere here, the electronics are glitchy enough to cause grief on its own.  So I guess on occasion the bike will go into limp mode and then you have to get it rebooted at the dealer.

And no, you can't turn off the maintenance reminders on your own.  My mechanic has the computer to do that, so that would be a plus, rather than go into a dealer.

All in all, right now, I am not sure it's for me.  Full retail, maintenance questions, and weasel words when I ask the dealer questions have turned me off.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2017, 05:08:43 PM »
I will go limp to be safe...says no man EVER...*guy joke, sorry ladies*...
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2017, 05:10:36 PM »
Uh , it still costs the same per mile . Kinda like all of those HD types that bragged about resale , W/O ever factoring in how much interest they were paying on an overpriced motorbike VS a $9,000.00 Honda .

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Who is paying interest?

Ah who cares.

Seriously cost/mile?

Who the F cares.

How about smile/mile?

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2017, 03:45:57 AM »
Not for nothing, but as a third or fourth bike you get to enjoy a Ducati with nothing more than annual oil changes and a belt/shim service every say 5 or more years.

No one said you had to put 10-20k miles per year on it.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2017, 03:48:30 AM »
I haven't heard about the free bags but that would be the deal I would want.  But, I am not so sure about what you say.   If you check online there is a glut of S models and very few base models.  And if they are selling well, why are there so many available?  And so few base models?

My local shop sold the initial SS deliveries but have had two S models on the floor for a couple of months. Despite this, I wrote about my experience that they weren't willing to deal or even price out the first service.  Dealer also said that they expect to get a base model soon.  If they threw in the bags, that might be the deal I would be interested, even though it is a month too late. 

But if the service deal is true about the oil minder, I won't even consider one.
John, the Ohlins is worth the price at new purchase, and will make the bike more saleable when you tire of the $1000 dealer visits.

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« Reply #67 on: September 16, 2017, 07:11:44 AM »
^^^^ Yep.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #68 on: September 16, 2017, 07:30:39 AM »
Not for nothing, but as a third or fourth bike you get to enjoy a Ducati with nothing more than annual oil changes and a belt/shim service every say 5 or more years.

No one said you had to put 10-20k miles per year on it.

Exactly why I wouldn't buy a brand new Ducati. Every time I have looked on Craigslist,etc. at Ducati's, there seem to be plenty of low mileage bikes in mostly pristine shape at significantly low prices.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #69 on: September 16, 2017, 07:33:58 AM »
Exactly why I wouldn't buy a brand new Ducati. Every time I have looked on Craigslist,etc. at Ducati's, there seem to be plenty of low mileage bikes in mostly pristine shape at significantly low prices.
Though I totally get that, in the big picture those few dollars mean little to me, while not having to possibly deal with someone else's abuse or wear is priceless.
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« Reply #70 on: September 16, 2017, 07:39:03 AM »
 So ya buy insurance , and a tag every year , for a motorbike that only gets ridden a couple of thousand miles a year , or less . Hmm , that sounds familiar ...

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #71 on: September 16, 2017, 07:47:10 AM »
Though I totally get that, in the big picture those few dollars mean little to me, while not having to possibly deal with someone else's abuse or wear is priceless.


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https://okaloosa.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2007-ducati-superbike-1098s/6281092070.html

$5,500 bucks.

For that kind of money, I'd take a gamble.

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #72 on: September 16, 2017, 08:18:08 AM »
I have a black S, the tricolore is just as S in fancy paint.

They are superb machines and these things can really go, corner and stop, great day out bike, I wouldn't want to tour on one, but it has been done many times by others

I have had mine since new no problems at all although my mileage is low, around 6k miles

Original rear spring is rock hard may need another spring, if you are light
Seat and mirrors are useless, get DP mirrors or the like and either the Superpole (if you are tall) or the DP (if you are small) seat.

Reg/Recs usually go south but can be fixed with a Shindengen MOSFET (I'm still on original)
Early radiator sprung leaks up near one of the top mounts, these can be fixed with Chinese cheapies from Bay of Fleas or rad repair shops, for very little cash.........lots of guys have went down both routes with no reported problems (I'm still on original)
Usual problems with Ethylene swelling of some tanks but as far as I'm aware it's not that common and there are solutions (POR??) to stop it

Gearboxes can be fragile BUT nearly every reported case of gearbox issues, AFAIK, relate to riders fitting quickshifters, don't fit one and they are fine
VERY occasional bikes of that vintage have spun their mains.............. .you do not want to go there

All that sounds bad but these are the more common issues, my bike has had none of them

The Tricolore is a limited model and looks terrific.

I don't think it's going to be that long before 10/1198 prices will bottom out.

IMHO that's a Big Time Bargain

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #73 on: September 16, 2017, 08:56:17 AM »
Nice to know about those bikes. The Tri-Color is really quite stunning IMO and for everything you mention only the main bearing is of concern and that is the gamble.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #74 on: September 16, 2017, 09:18:11 AM »
Blackcat

I wouldn't sweat it too much unless you were thinking of thrashing the living daylights out it & IMHO you could only do that at a track and if you have big ones  :wink:

Ducati did a redesign on later bikes but I've only heard about 2 or 3, typical forum stuff, people only post the bad

It's not like flat tappets on the CARC 4v Guzzis

Mine has been great and although the looks are not really to my taste, when aboard they have a huge grin factor

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #75 on: September 16, 2017, 09:29:04 AM »
Blackcat

I wouldn't sweat it too much unless you were thinking of thrashing the living daylights out it & IMHO you could only do that at a track and if you have big ones  :wink:



Nope, don't do that sort of riding anymore. I hardly ride the Daytona in that way, but that has more to do with non-replaceble parts.

If this was a little closer to my house I'd go and take a look just out of curiosity.  I've never owned a Ducati, though I have ridden a few Monsters over the years and despite all of the maintenance issues, I'd love to have one someday.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #76 on: September 16, 2017, 09:37:17 AM »
I wish the new Yamaha FJ-09 was styled like the SS.  But I haven't ridden one of them either.

Not sure why there aren't more moderate weight, powerful, balanced sport tourers available. 
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #77 on: September 16, 2017, 10:40:37 AM »
So ya buy insurance , and a tag every year , for a motorbike that only gets ridden a couple of thousand miles a year , or less . Hmm , that sounds familiar ...

 Dusty
That's about $165/year for our Duc.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2017, 10:43:51 AM »

2007 Ducati 1098S Tricolore with 915 miles. Near perfect condition, as consistent with mileage.

https://okaloosa.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2007-ducati-superbike-1098s/6281092070.html

$5,500 bucks.

For that kind of money, I'd take a gamble.
It would have to really be near perfect for me to consider it. The money just isn't THAT important.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #79 on: September 16, 2017, 11:25:02 AM »
It would have to really be near perfect for me to consider it. The money just isn't THAT important.

I'm sure that there are significant changes from that bike to a 1299 Panigale S or whatever is the latest model,BUT a new Panigale is anywhere from $20 to $25K plus tax.

Will I really notice that much of a difference in performance compared to the deficit of $20,000 dollars plus or minus in my bank account? I'm thinking there will be more of a drag on my bank account compared to the speed and handling differences of these two bikes, but that is just a guess. Especially when I will put about 5,000 miles a year or less on this type of bike.

I'm not against buying new stuff, but nowadays unless evidence of mishandling from the previous owner, I'm inclined to put my faith in some modern manufactured machines, be they bikes or cars. Maybe that is naive on my part but when I only have $5K invested, the pain of bad design,etc. is less painful.

And if Guzzi came out with a modern sport bike, that might change my opinion about buying another new bike, but the chances of that happening is like monkey's flying.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #80 on: September 16, 2017, 12:38:36 PM »
The Panigale is whole different kettle of fish

More power but less low down grunt and a whole more stash of electronics to control all that power that you'd probably kill yourself without. The Panigale though does away with the belt madness and having to get them renewed every 2 years so I believe it's cheaper to service.

I frequent the Ducati UK forum a lot and although the R is a significantly different bike, on there the 1098R is regarded more or less as the pinnacle of the mark & very much sought after.

This is probably one of the last bikes without any aids and although I'm lukewarm about the looks compared to say the 916 to 998 series IMHO it's a lot nicer than the 999 or the Panty Girdle

I wouldn't swap my 1098 for a Tricolore, but that's just because of all the bits on it and I know the history............ ...but at that price with that mileage an S let alone a Tricolore is a great deal and the Tricolore's are going to be more sought after than any old middle of the road S

I'm 100% in agreement with everything you've said Blackcat

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #81 on: September 16, 2017, 02:41:55 PM »
I'd probably never need/want something more than a base Monster or Scrambler anyway... That's a whole different price bracket.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #82 on: September 16, 2017, 03:01:57 PM »
The Panigale is whole different kettle of fish

More power but less low down grunt and a whole more stash of electronics to control all that power that you'd probably kill yourself without. The Panigale though does away with the belt madness and having to get them renewed every 2 years so I believe it's cheaper to service.

I frequent the Ducati UK forum a lot and although the R is a significantly different bike, on there the 1098R is regarded more or less as the pinnacle of the mark & very much sought after.

This is probably one of the last bikes without any aids and although I'm lukewarm about the looks compared to say the 916 to 998 series IMHO it's a lot nicer than the 999 or the Panty Girdle

I wouldn't swap my 1098 for a Tricolore, but that's just because of all the bits on it and I know the history............ ...but at that price with that mileage an S let alone a Tricolore is a great deal and the Tricolore's are going to be more sought after than any old middle of the road S

I'm 100% in agreement with everything you've said Blackcat

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Good to know....now I wish that I never spotted than ad and I'm trying to not email the guy.

Nice looking bike and of course it sounds great!

Yeah, the Tri-Color might be a bit much as I've never seen one in person, but I could get to like it....
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #83 on: September 16, 2017, 04:40:06 PM »
Good to know....now I wish that I never spotted than ad and I'm trying to not email the guy.

Nice looking bike and of course it sounds great!

Yeah, the Tri-Color might be a bit much as I've never seen one in person, but I could get to like it....

I'd be on that like a duck on a june bug if I was remotely in the market..
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #84 on: September 16, 2017, 09:17:01 PM »
Good to know....now I wish that I never spotted than ad and I'm trying to not email the guy.

Nice looking bike and of course it sounds great!

Yeah, the Tri-Color might be a bit much as I've never seen one in person, but I could get to like it....

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #85 on: September 17, 2017, 09:58:00 AM »
The ad says it's been posted for 22 days, but I sent him an email.

No response.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2017, 11:19:02 AM »
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Firing order  �Twin-Pulse� firing order with crankshaft-pins staggered by 70 degrees (Chuck or Kirby might explain this  :shocked:)
Timing system  Desmodromic timing system with chain and dual overhead camshafts, 4 valves per cylinder

So regarding the firing order, does this mean that the V angle is 90 degrees but the two crank pins are set at 70 degrees apart, meaning each of the two crankpins are 270/450 but they are phased 70 degree apart?

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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #87 on: September 17, 2017, 01:10:35 PM »

2007 Ducati 1098S Tricolore with 915 miles. Near perfect condition, as consistent with mileage.

https://okaloosa.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2007-ducati-superbike-1098s/6281092070.html

$5,500 bucks.

For that kind of money, I'd take a gamble.

 So Sorry Kiddo's... Scam Deluxe, Just like this onehttps://stgeorge.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1997-ducati-supersport-900ss/6284695860.html. There on about 18 different CL.
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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2017, 01:17:08 PM »

2007 Ducati 1098S Tricolore with 915 miles. Near perfect condition, as consistent with mileage.

https://okaloosa.craigslist.org/mcy/d/2007-ducati-superbike-1098s/6281092070.html

$5,500 bucks.

For that kind of money, I'd take a gamble.

  So Sorry Kids..... total scam just like this


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Re: New Ducati- good & not so
« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2017, 02:16:40 PM »
Thank God, I was worried about having to buy that bike.
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