V7 III Special, first impressions after owning various V7 iterations

[Numbercruncher]

This is a bit surprising to me.  I know the CAnondale dirt bike had the rear portion of the tank so high that air would get caught.  The recommended practice for that bike was to fill the tank with the bike in the back of your truck.  Then when you backed it down the ramp it would burp the tank so to speak.  You could then top it off once off the bike.

When I look at the MG website I cannot see where there is a place for air to get trapped inside the tank.  I pick up my new V7 III a week from tomorrow and I'll see what I notice in this regard.

NC

I dunno man. It's too easy for there to be air stuck in the corners on the tank one fill and not the other. I bet you didn't sit there and shake and lean the bike a couple of times to make sure all the air was purged.

And did I miss this the first time through:

http://motorcycle.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/081717-2017-Moto-Guzzi-V7-III-Stone-hp-torque-dyno.jpg

Look at that chart again and think about what you first wrote about not feeling the differences. MOST of the differences occur above 5k rpm not at the point where you run around in gear all the time. And you said you were keeping revs down closer to 4k for break-in right?

So it wouldn't have made sense for you to really feel anything at that point. Yes?

[egschade]

I'm up to 680 miles now.   The MPG readout is a about 4% optimistic.
The second fill-up calculated to 52.4 MPG.   While, the MPG readout for the tank was 54.5.   I'm pretty sure it was a very accurate measurement, as I filled right to the metal thing down in the filler both times.

Stats for the fillup:
4.889 Gallons
256 miles

The fuel light came on and stayed on at 202 miles.  That works out to 3.85 gallons based on 52.4 MPG.

If the fuel tank and fuel pump inlet at the same as my 2013 V7R, then usable fuel to empty should be about 5.1 gallons, so, I cut it real close (had an MSR fuel bottle with me just in case).

So, that gives me about 1.2 gallons of reserve, or about 60 miles.

I can safely look at my current MPG readout for the tank and use that as the number of miles I can go after the low fuel light turns on.

I'm finding the calculated MPG is optimistic. It indicates low-50's average but reality shows high 40's for my commuting and is confirmed over several tanks of gas and 700 miles of use. I also notice the speedometer starts reading high as I approach highway speed (about 10% at 70 MPH) so maybe that affects displayed MPG.

I have had no issue with air pockets in the tank. Not having a center stand I fill it leaned over on the side stand. Typically get about 4 gal in after the low fuel light comes on. I would NEVER fill a bike sitting on it. Thoughts of gas in the crotch or an engine fire - however remote - prevent my doing so.

[Kev m]

So bumping this since I had a chance to put some miles (read that as flog) Jay's new V7 Special for some miles late yesterday afternoon.

My impression is that the V7III compares well to my MkI Stone, and as such it comes across as a nice evolutionary step.

The new V7III is everything my Stone is and just a little bit more.

It's got a little more power, a little better a sound, a little better a feel, a little better a suspension. Hell honestly the front end felt like a decent improvement and the rear felt pretty good too.

Overall I've got no complaints with my V7, but this new hemi head is all of that and a bag of chips.

Oh and for those who think such a relatively low hp motor can't benefit from traction control, they're wrong.

With temps in the high 90's the tar snakes were biting. We turned onto yet another of the hundreds of backroads we were running yesterday and went WOT. Before I realized it I was crossing a tar snake when the rear tire began spinning and the rear end started dancing out sideways on me. The TC stepped in seamlessly and limited the sideways motion as we continued happily on our way, me chasing Jay who was now on my RK.

Anyway I have no reason to get rid of my 13 Stone, but if I ever did I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a V7III!

[Cam3512]

Nice!  I'm jealous.  Where were youz guys?

[Kev m]

Nice!  I'm jealous.  Where were youz guys?

Various roads he likes up in North Central PA, turned around in Shamokin just below Centralia.

I was keeping him busy while Kim set up his "surpriseish" birthday party.

We gonna see you out soon?

[twowheeladdict]

Thanks for the review.  I really want a V7 III but can't see myself parting with the Cafe Classic and not sure if I want to part with my Yamaha FZ07 for one. 

I compare the Cafe Classic to all the YouTube reviews of the new Miata.  A lot of fun at speeds that won't get you a ticket.  The furthest I have ridden the Cafe Classic from home is the 80 miles to Sloans to have the fuel tank recall performed.  Other than that I have never ventured further than about a 30 mile radius of home and just enjoy all the little curvy back roads where I live.

So, a month changes perspective I guess.  Traded both the classic cafe and the FZ07 in for the V7iii carbon. 

[bpreynolds]

Couple of gorgeous bikes in pristine setting.  Envious.  Still say the blue on that Special is one of the most special paint/design jobs Guzzi has ever done and that's a giant compliment in my book. 

[Vagrant]

I rode a 2017 FZ07 back to back with my 2015 V7 on 30 mile stretch of twists, turns, chuck holes big enough to hide a cow and hills. I was really impressed with it's power, powerband smoothness, decent suspension and very light handling. But, it just doesn't talk to me like the V7 engine does and the V7 III I have here in Ga. is such an improvement I can understand why you traded. Now, if they came out with an FJ 07 with a 30" seat I'd buy it. I like having spare bikes. 

[Kev m]

So, a month changes perspective I guess.  Traded both the classic cafe and the FZ07 in for the V7iii carbon.

I think you're gonna have to update the pic in your signature!

[jas67]

Nice!  I'm jealous.  Where were youz guys?

I wish you could've joined us.     Hopefully, we can get together soon.

[twowheeladdict]

I think you're gonna have to update the pic in your signature!

Yes, I need to get some new stable pics and get back on my computer.  Can't do much on this phone.

[jas67]

So, just an update from me too.    The III now has just shy of 1,200 miles on it and is breaking in nicely.

Now that I'm past the 1,500km (930mile) service and letting it rev freely.    The hemi-head motor definitely wakes up above 4,500-5,000 RPM.    As Kev said, it is a nice evolution of the earlier V7.   

To further comment on ABS and traction control, I recently got caught out in the '13 V7R and had the back end kick out making a left turn.   No crash or anything like that, but, definitely a pucker moment as I had my brain in raid mode and was being gentle with the throttle.    The TC would've definitely prevented that.   And last week, I had a car make an opposing left turn dangerously close to me.     The rear ABS kicked on as I had the front brake on HARD, and apparently didn't easy up on the rear brake enough as the weight transferred forward.   The III slowed hard and straight with no drama.

While I was a little luke-warm in my initial review, mainly because I was so happy with my previous V7, I'm really loving the III.   It is definitely a very nice evolution, and the blue & orange is just beautiful!   I can't help but turn and look at it as I walk away.

[twowheeladdict]

I am still doing my break in miles on the Carbon.  Only 65 miles so far.  When I topped it off at the end of the 65 miles I was surprised to only fit 1 gallon in the bike.  I thought it was rated for lower fuel consumption than that.

Also, the 6 speed is an improvement over the 5 speed and the gear ratios are way better than any similar displacement japanese 6 speed I have owned.  On all of my Japanese bikes I would be in 6th gear at 45 mph.  I set the Carbon for the shift light to flash at the minimum setting and to go solid at the break in RPM of 4500.  I watched my speed and shifted as soon as the light went solid.  I was surprised at how fast I was going before shifting into 6th.  I think I will rarely shift above 5000 RPMs as long as I own this bike.

The riding position is definitely more comfortable for me compared to both my Cafe Classic and my FZ-07.  The V7III just feels like a proper motorcycle. 

Due to my back issues I will be upgrading the suspension both front and rear.  I would like to find a shock with a red spring and rebound, compression, and preload adjustments, as well as cartridges with rebound and compression for the front end.  I wouldn't mind increasing the travel on both ends if possible.  Still trying to sort out who and where are the vendors to look at for the V7 bikes.  I didn't do anything with my cafe classic except change fluids.

[Roebling3]

I've a bit over 3K on a series 3, 2017, racer. K-Tech forks & Ohlins.
Being of a certain age perhaps I need a stage 3 TC? When my TC 'turns on' in stage 2 it's pretty damned upsetting audibly & physically. I don't lose control, but neither was I pleased with what was happening.
Red light blinking, chattering noise, engine bucking. Still a smooth transition @ the tire/road interface.

Additionally, w/ a history of spongy, very weak front brake. I've not been able to feel ABS brakes @ either end. Perhaps I shouldn't feel the ABS working? I've had ABS on other bikes and could always feel a pulse, frt. & rear.
The system has been bled 4X in series to stabilize the front brake. I'm not thrilled, at all. It feels like a leak but none are detectable. If I bind the lever to the grip for 24-48 hours the 'bite' and grip feels good for 15-20 miles, then, gradually, goes soft again.
1- 2#'s under prescribed front tire pressure stopped the hunting I experienced w/stock Pirelli Sport Demons.
   R3~ 

[Vagrant]

So, just an update from me too.    The III now has just shy of 1,200 miles on it and is breaking in nicely.

Now that I'm past the 1,500km (930mile) service and letting it rev freely.    The hemi-head motor definitely wakes up above 4,500-5,000 RPM.    As Kev said, it is a nice evolution of the earlier V7.   

To further comment on ABS and traction control, I recently got caught out in the '13 V7R and had the back end kick out making a left turn.   No crash or anything like that, but, definitely a pucker moment as I had my brain in raid mode and was being gentle with the throttle.    The TC would've definitely prevented that.   And last week, I had a car make an opposing left turn dangerously close to me.     The rear ABS kicked on as I had the front brake on HARD, and apparently didn't easy up on the rear brake enough as the weight transferred forward.   The III slowed hard and straight with no drama.

While I was a little luke-warm in my initial review, mainly because I was so happy with my previous V7, I'm really loving the III.   It is definitely a very nice evolution, and the blue & orange is just beautiful!   I can't help but turn and look at it as I walk away.

Are you still in TC 2? I put mine in 1 at 700 miles and like it better. I have never felt a pulse and herd a quick chirp when I had to hammer the front at about 55 the other day.
Fyi dropping the forks 10,mm gets rid of the hunting of the Pirelli and improves the feel a bunch on the 3. Simple to change back if you don't like it.

[jas67]

Are you still in TC 2? I put mine in 1 at 700 miles and like it better. I have never felt a pulse and herd a quick chirp when I had to hammer the front at about 55 the other day.
Fyi dropping the forks 10,mm gets rid of the hunting of the Pirelli and improves the feel a bunch on the 3. Simple to change back if you don't like it.

I haven't had the TC kick in yet.   You'll not in my post, it was my 2013 that I had the back end kick out on in the rain.

[twowings]

I want one! 

[Kev m]

I haven't had the TC kick in yet.   You'll not in my post, it was my 2013 that I had the back end kick out on in the rain.

Yes but I made your TC kick in on that tar snake (or we assume it did, unless it was just me reducing throttle and riding out the minor slide that saved it).

So, where is your TC set?

[jas67]

Yes but I made your TC kick in on that tar snake (or we assume it did, unless it was just me reducing throttle and riding out the minor slide that saved it).

So, where is your TC set?

1

[Kev m]

1

Is that most or least intrusive?

(Sorry haven't looked into the settings yet)

[jas67]

Is that most or least intrusive?

(Sorry haven't looked into the settings yet)

Least.

In fact, now that I think about it, the TC had activated on dry clean surfaces when it was set to 2.   So, I put it on 1, and haven't really thought about it since.   I haven't had it in the rain yet, but, first time I am, I'll check it out, and may put it back on 2.

[flynguzzi]

I purchased my V7III in late May. Quickly ran up to the 1000mi service, re-torque heads, reset valve clearance and changed over to 20w50 synthetic and synthetic gear oil with moly lube in the differential as well.

Purchased it on my 65th Birthday. It was a smart move as it is easier to manuever around than my beloved V11 Jackal. As our road is no longer blacktop (cheap ass county chewed up the asphalt to lower maintance costs.) it is like riding a dual sport and I find myself riding it more and more into town to pick up stuff.

It's first long run will be the Elkader rally which will be a hoot for sure!  jb

[Kev m]

I purchased my V7III in late May. Quickly ran up to the 1000mi service, re-torque heads, reset valve clearance and changed over to 20w50 synthetic and synthetic gear oil with moly lube in the differential as well.

FYI, and this is obviously for the next new V7III owner that reads this, but you don't retorque the heads on any new Guzzi anymore (since the intro of the Hemi-head motors).

EDIT to clarify - and the Cali 1400, and the CARC's before that. I actually seem to remember my Jackal didn't require it either, so maybe all big blocks for a while before that. Maybe Pete can chime in if he sees this.

[jas67]

I purchased my V7III in late May. Quickly ran up to the 1000mi service, re-torque heads, reset valve clearance and changed over to 20w50 synthetic and synthetic gear oil with moly lube in the differential as well.

The final drive oil doesn't need to be changed at the initial service.    Like the 2013+ V7 and V7II, it gets changed every 12k miles (20k km).    The transmission oil gets changed at the initial service, and then not again until every 36k miles (60k km).

[malik]

And I've had problems with full synthetic in the final drive on both my V7s - the oil seems to leak past the seal & onto the hub. A few changes back to mineral oil with a thickener (Nulon G70) seems to rectify it.

[Roebling3]

Pulling the fork tubes up quickens the steering. That and TC-1 is a serious, overly exciting and semi -dangerous choice for me. I'm trying to make a come back from riding light weight sport & race bikes. My spine and depleting strength have arrested the development I envisioned.  Thank you for the suggestions.  R3~

[Vagrant]

Pulling the fork tubes up quickens the steering. That and TC-1 is a serious, overly exciting and semi -dangerous choice for me. I'm trying to make a come back from riding light weight sport & race bikes. My spine and depleting strength have arrested the development I envisioned.  Thank you for the suggestions.  R3~

On the III dropping the tubes 10 MM isn't anywhere near as radical as it has been on other bikes I've tried it on. might be the new fork angle. Try 1/2 that if your concerned.

[Vagrant]

The final drive oil doesn't need to be changed at the initial service.    Like the 2013+ V7 and V7II, it gets changed every 12k miles (20k km).    The transmission oil gets changed at the initial service, and then not again until every 36k miles (60k km).

I put Mobil 1 in both units at about 750 miles. at 6000 I changed them just because. the tranny was cleaner than when I put it in and nothing in the screen. so if it was fine at the first service I'd say let it go for a few years.
The rear drive is another matter. as I reported earlier there was way too much sour cream in it. I'm sure from the unreal rains I drove in for 3 days. So I think it's worth changing every oil change seeing as it's not 6 Oz. I did make a rain hat for the breather so we will see.

[Roebling3]

Thank you, Vagrant. I'll try halving fork tube measure. I didn't remember the frt. geometry change.

Also: I've not investigated this, but: Throttle control is electronic, yes? To me it feels as though TC-1 is perhaps a 1/4 turn throttle, while TC-2 is many degrees more to WOT. IOW: TC-2 is smoother to control. I still have a few 1/4 turn throttle bikes, but being on a cable pull (both carbed and FI), they are smoother for me.  TIA,  R3~

[oilhed]

Various roads he likes up in North Central PA, turned around in Shamokin just below Centralia.

Sounds purrrrfect!