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Re: V9 Review Thread. Merged Threadfest
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2016, 12:04:33 PM »
THe V9 seems to be a nice motorcycle .....nice.....is the operative word here, its built to a price and a purpose and it seems that Guzzi has done a good job of it .. I think if you start comparing it to motorcycles that excel in performance as in handling and HP your being unfair to the V9, and you have to justify the money spent ..you get what you pay for ..

oh and both of these reviews so far are IMO .. lame
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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2016, 12:52:46 PM »
I don't think there's any tale tale signs here of a so called "problem" with suspension and handling.  The biggest problem is the stakes are higher now.  In these folks' minds these bikes are "supposed" to handle with or compete against the Duc Scrambler, that hideous new retro Yammer with the stonking triple engine, the Bonnie that had its own team of engineers and years to coax out a new one.  As the one review - and even the MG guy himself notes - they have always made these retro bikes and aren't gonna go and try to reinvent the wheel just because mustaches and open face helmets are fashionable again.  Seems like MG has always moved at their own pace that is somewhat behind the market.  They've upgraded the engine and made some nice styling touches.  I can't say I would have expected more.  I'm sure the 850 engine will appear next year in the old standard V7 mold. 

Rocker is dead on about the V7s handling.  It's great if you play within its envelope.  My Griso is in some kind of other league wtih regard to this.  But I can't bitch about the V7 I owned lacking that kind of handling.  You want the V7 to compete with these bikes, stop whining about them, stop throwing money and money at suspension, and instead go back to school yourself.  Figure out how to be a safer, faster, better rider yourself with the bike you are on.  That would be my advice.  That nobody is taking, I'm sure  :thumb: :boozing:

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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2016, 12:55:39 PM »
Wish they could make a proper bike for real men (6' 2" tall).  :thewife:

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Re: V9 Review Thread. Merged Threadfest
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2016, 02:34:25 PM »
  My Griso is in some kind of other league wtih regard to this.  But I can't bitch about the V7 I owned lacking that kind of handling.  You want the V7 to compete with these bikes, stop whining about them, stop throwing money and money at suspension, and instead go back to school yourself.  Figure out how to be a safer, faster, better rider yourself with the bike you are on.  That would be my advice.  That nobody is taking, I'm sure  :thumb: :boozing:

Yeah.  It's real easy to make an $8000 V7 handle like at $13000 Griso !!!

Just throw $5000 at the suspension/wheels/brakes !!!  :evil:
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« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2016, 03:24:05 PM »
These testers are stepping off of modern sporty bikes and riding these basic retros, then finding the handling odd and lacking.

No surprise there.

I find the same thing with my V7 Special's handling.  It's shite compared to my Sport 1100, and SHITE compared to a modern naked or sporty bike.

When I go from riding my Ducati Monster 796 to one of the V7's, yes, the handling feels, well, primitive.  But, that is what makes them enjoyable.

I rode my V7 Special for the first time in a couple months on Wednesday.    It was very foggy in the morning, so, I had driven the car to and from work, but, 65 degrees and sunny, and the salt finally gone (sadly will be back on Sunday), I had to get it out.

I really enjoyed the ride.    Unlike the Ducati, or even my BMW F800GT, I get less annoyed when I come up behind vehicles going at a less fun pace.   The V7, while fun to ride briskly, is also fun and engaging at slower speeds, where the Ducati is like a race horse chomping at it the bit.   That's not to say that the V7 can't be ridden fast.  It can safely handle any curve around here at 10-15 MPH higher than the marked "warning" speed.   

As has been stated many times on other V7 threads.   Either you get it, or you don't get it.

I'm sure that the V9 experience will be much the same.

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« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2016, 04:38:24 PM »
We all get it, that's why we're here.

In fairness to these moto-journalists, they have to write for different audiences.  They have to describe the V9 to folks who are likely to get it, and those who won't, and provide a fair description to each. 

I guess what I'm really eager for is someone on this Board -- someone who speaka-the-language -- to ride and report.  And that will happen soon enough. 
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« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2016, 04:43:04 PM »
I'll ask about a test drive when the Norge is picked up for service.

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« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2016, 06:51:20 PM »
The Visor down reveiw is obviously flawed.   The reviwer has problems with the bike pushig tk the right under heavy revs in N?? Really???
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« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2016, 11:19:00 PM »
The twonk who wrote the first one clearly shows his lack of research and knowledge by stating that the V9's "Retain the two joint driveshaft'. This is completely new on the smallblock design and is the very reason for the redesigned swingarm but obviously finding such stuff out isn't important to a 'Reviewer'.


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« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2016, 11:50:42 PM »
I was a little confused by one of his statements. Taken from the article:

"5. The Roamer and the Bobber are decidedly different in character. The Roamer has lots of chrome, classic colors, a 100/90-19 front tire and pull-back high handlebars. The Bobber has little chrome, mostly flat black and subdued shades, a 130/90-16 front bun and drag-style black handlebars.

6. Personally, I preferred the Bobber as I liked the heft and response of the larger front tire. It felt more planted to me. I also found that while the Bobber’s flat bars would appear to cause the rider to tuck into a more forward position the use of a much taller pair of bar risers resulted in about the same, all-day comfortable riding position."

He says the Bobber has a 130/90-16 front tire, and prefers it over the roamer because of the larger front tire (which he says has a 100/90-19). 16 is now larger than 19???
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« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2016, 12:08:09 AM »
Width Ken , width .

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Ahhh, that's something I know nothing about. Please don't ask for details!
Wish he would've said wider and not larger, but I guess there's more than one way to determine which way a tire is larger.
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« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2016, 05:24:24 AM »
Motorcycle.com has a pretty decent/informative review:

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-v9-bobber-and-v9-roamer-first-ride-review.html

I'm not sure anyone has yet mentioned that the fenders are steel and the sidecovers are aluminum. Nice touches.

It also mentions how wide the torque band is > 44 ft lbs from 2500 on.

Oh and that the head design is easier to cool and less prone to detonation.


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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2016, 05:39:24 AM »
Motorcycle.com has a pretty decent/informative review:

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-v9-bobber-and-v9-roamer-first-ride-review.html

I'm not sure anyone has yet mentioned that the fenders are steel and the sidecovers are aluminum. Nice touches.

It also mentions how wide the torque band is > 44 ft lbs from 2500 on.

Oh and that the head design is easier to cool and less prone to detonation.

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« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2016, 05:58:52 AM »
Motorcycle.com has a pretty decent/informative review:

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-v9-bobber-and-v9-roamer-first-ride-review.html

I'm not sure anyone has yet mentioned that the fenders are steel and the sidecovers are aluminum. Nice touches.

It also mentions how wide the torque band is > 44 ft lbs from 2500 on.

Oh and that the head design is easier to cool and less prone to detonation.

I like this review.  For better/worse it's also the first review I've read that doesn't dwell upon nor even mention the recent Retro craze nor mention comparisons to Triumphs, Ducs, etc. 

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« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2016, 06:03:55 AM »
Speaking of handling, the larios 16 X 16 wheels (when front-end is dropped down) is an amazing handling bike. It's actually suggested to drop down about 10mm if memory serves me correctly, but I've found if dropped until the sump is level (same with Sport 1100's) it's like it's on rails it's so stable feeling yet quick to lean. I can't imagine a 19 in the front having any sort of good turn-in as the ass is so low. Drop these guys through the yokes and you should have some fun in the twisties.., especially the 16 x16.
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« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2016, 06:06:11 AM »
I'm really glad I have my V7 and have no intention of it going anywhere.

But I have to admit the V9 is growing on me. I could see a Bobber or, better yet, a V9 Stone to keep it company someday.

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« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2016, 11:22:28 AM »
great review from MC  on what appears to be a pretty nice bike...good on Guzzi ,this may be a game changer for them..
i hope there is more to come...
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« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2016, 11:47:26 AM »
good on Guzzi ,this may be a game changer for them..
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That was my thought as well.  A glowing review like this from Kevin Duke could mean a major sales boost, maybe. 

The riding position on the Bobber looks quite fun, while the Roamer may be more all day comfortable. 

Description of rear shocks sounds exactly like the V7 -- adequate until you hit a big bump. 
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« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2016, 02:14:04 PM »
Agreed, a fine review. And that Guzzi could deliver at this price point bodes very well.  Looks like a winner.

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« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2016, 02:55:02 PM »
I did not see this mentioned in the reviews, but hopefully there is either a low-fuel idiot light or a reserve-fuel petcock. Otherwise, I would risk riding one until it ran out of fuel. (Apparently there is no fuel gauge.)
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« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2016, 05:22:00 PM »
I did not see this mentioned in the reviews, but hopefully there is either a low-fuel idiot light or a reserve-fuel petcock. Otherwise, I would risk riding one until it ran out of fuel. (Apparently there is no fuel gauge.)

I don't think I've ever seen an EFI bike without at least a low fuel light, though some also have gauges.
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« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2016, 09:05:41 PM »
I like "proudly air cooled" without the complications of oil or water radiators and still able to meet stringent emissions requirements; but I love my two large analog dials on my V7II. Are analog tachometers going away like center stands? 
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« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2016, 03:43:14 AM »
http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/first-ride-moto-guzzi-v9-review/31001.html

Not entirely positive but then I find this particular mag only ever criticizes low volume producers and doesn't really 'get' practical, low tech bikes that you can easily maintain yourself for a 100,000 + miles.

I like the look of the v9 but I'd personally like this engine in a standard frame with a 22+ liter tank.

Does anyone know what the advantage of the double cardigan drive will be?
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« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2016, 05:54:15 AM »
but I love my two large analog dials on my V7II. Are analog tachometers going away like center stands?

I think it largely depends on the style of the bike, but if it's not a classic/retro styled bike then yes I think they largely are.
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« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2016, 06:47:34 AM »
Omega1987, FYI. this bike is built on the same frame as the V7.
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« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2016, 07:04:58 AM »
http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/first-ride-moto-guzzi-v9-review/31001.html

Not entirely positive but then I find this particular mag only ever criticizes low volume producers and doesn't really 'get' practical, low tech bikes that you can easily maintain yourself for a 100,000 + miles.

I like the look of the v9 but I'd personally like this engine in a standard frame with a 22+ liter tank.

Does anyone know what the advantage of the double cardigan drive will be?

I skimmed over it.

Questioning the horsepower output of the V9 is fair game but they got hung up again over the longitudinal crank's tendency to make the bike nod sideways when it's revved. They went so far as to say this tried to twist the bike off its wheels when powering out of a curve.  Good lord.
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« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2016, 08:06:14 AM »
....

Does anyone know what the advantage of the double cardigan drive will be?

From one of the section photos shown in one of the articles, it looks to me they had to double the joint to allow a wide tire.
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« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2016, 09:09:14 AM »
I skimmed over it.

Questioning the horsepower output of the V9 is fair game but they got hung up again over the longitudinal crank's tendency to make the bike nod sideways when it's revved. They went so far as to say this tried to twist the bike off its wheels when powering out of a curve.  Good lord.

Surely most decent riders know to maintain revs and speed through corners, I can imagine any bike would feel too stable being revved mid corner

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« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2016, 09:28:07 AM »
Bikesocial weighs in with another lukewarm review but by far the most lengthy and descriptive one I've read.  Still belabors the handling  :rolleyes: 

http://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-and-bobber-2016---first-ride-review/#.Vu6w7_D3arV

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« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2016, 12:24:15 PM »
I like the look of the v9 but I'd personally like this engine in a standard frame with a 22+ liter tank.

It might be worth watching salvage auctions for a light wrecked V9.    I could see combing a V9 with a V9 Stone or Special to build a V9 Stone or Special.  I'm pretty much thinking V9 engine, frame, swing arm, plus everything else from the V7.
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