Red Line 10w60 on sale merged thread

[sib]

Note that "Recommended for API SM/SL/SJ/SH/SG/CF" does NOT mean that it is actually rated API SG.  This merely means that someone (in the sales department, probably) has "recommended" that it can be used instead of an API SG oil.  I would respectfully disagree with that recommendation.

[crock]

Guys;

There are ingredients OTHER than ZDDP that are used to protect your tappets in modern oils, and they have been there for years! ZDDP was simply the cheapest ingredient found to work for protecting metals in older oils. The motor oil industry has moved on and found new ways to protect your engine's metal to metal contact points. In fact the newer additives replacing ZDDP work even better at protecting your engine when cold as well as when hot. You can easily use the latest specification Redline oil in engines with flat tappets. You do not need, or even want, ZDDP in your modern Redline oil. The science has moved on from ZDDP as an additive and you no longer need it.

[blackcat]

Honestly, I'm not going to worry about it and if I'm the least bit curious I will call up Redline and talk to one of their reps. I can't believe they would represent this oil as being good for such usage if it wasn't true.

Anyway,"Your Amazon.com order of 2x "Red Line Oil 11704..." has shipped!", and I will get it at weeks end.

[rodekyll]

Guys;

There are ingredients OTHER than ZDDP that are used to protect your tappets in modern oils, and they have been there for years! ZDDP was simply the cheapest ingredient found to work for protecting metals in older oils. The motor oil industry has moved on and found new ways to protect your engine's metal to metal contact points. In fact the newer additives replacing ZDDP work even better at protecting your engine when cold as well as when hot. You can easily use the latest specification Redline oil in engines with flat tappets. You do not need, or even want, ZDDP in your modern Redline oil. The science has moved on from ZDDP as an additive and you no longer need it.

Which is exactly why SG is still specified.   

How are you qualified to make these statements?  I'm only asking because after a zillion oil threads, they still read like -- well -- a crock.  It's what I'd expect the SLICK-50 shill to argue -- a lot of meaningless buzz words and no content.  The counterman at the local Car Quest had much the same attitude -- "Oil is oil.  Ain't gonna order anything fancy or special when I gots a shelf full of perfectly good 0w-30 right over there.  This modern shit works on everything."  I can see Car Quest's soaped-over windows from my house.   

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[Xlratr]

I used to think that the higher the letter, the better the oil. But that is not necessarily true. "SG" is what goes in my Guzzis.

Over here it's only possible to get SG rated oil if it is a "special" application, which is why some brands have "racing oil" in their line up. 10-60 oil counts as a special application though, and that is why AGIP can put a relatively high level of ZDDP in it. I sometimes think that may be the main reason why Guzzi specifies it.

[Wayne Orwig]

Anyway,"Your Amazon.com order of 2x "Red Line Oil 11704..." has shipped!", and I will get it at weeks end.

But, will it be ONE quart, or SIX quarts as stated?

That is the question.

[Arizona Wayne]

Which is exactly why SG is still specified.   

How are you qualified to make these statements?  I'm only asking because after a zillion oil threads, they still read like -- well -- a crock.  It's what I'd expect the SLICK-50 shill to argue -- a lot of meaningless buzz words and no content.  The counterman at the local Car Quest had much the same attitude -- "Oil is oil.  Ain't gonna order anything fancy or special when I gots a shelf full of perfectly good 0w-30 right over there.  This modern shit works on everything."  I can see Car Quest's soaped-over windows from my house.   

I don't have 1 of the newer more powerful Guzzis, but I do have Italian scooters that RECCOMEND 5W-40 synthetic oil.   ALL my vehicles get Walmart dino oil, 10W-40 or 20W-50 depending what is most appropriate if they are air or w/c or the ambient temp. they run in.  My Guzzis run in ages from `77 to `04.  The pre `90 models recommended SG oil? but now it's hard to find, so I just put in whatever rated car oil is popular now (SN).   Have had no motor cam/wear issues for 30 years.  I'm not saying you should run dino oil in your more modern, powerfuil Guzzis, it's just I think this ZDDP thing is overrated.

[blackcat]

But, will it be ONE quart, or SIX quarts as stated?

That is the question.

In my case it is 12, and the email states that is the amount that was shipped.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Typical Properties
10W30 10W40 20W50 20W60

You'll notice the 10-60 isn't included..

[kirby1923]

You'll notice the 10-60 isn't included..

Ah..the plot thickens!

:-)

I was on the web site looking at gear oil and saw the tech page for oil?? should have known better to put it here.
But that begs a question...why drop the ZDDP content for the 10W60???

[dan407]

You'll notice the 10-60 isn't included..

According to the Redline web site they don't make a 10-60 motorcycle oil.
The deal for the 10-60 oil was not  "motorcycle oil".

[Shuckinator]

I have a 2013 Stelvio and the factory oil spec is SG or higher.  I'm a product of the MS secondary education system but I'm pretty sure that the Redline 10w60 API service class of SN/SM/SL/has me covered.  I've been using Liqui-Moly 10w60 with a SL rating with no apparent problems (30K).  I bought 12 quarts of 10w60 (Thanks jdgretz ) at the ~$44 price point. If in doubt add 5-6 oz of Redline Engine Oil Break-In Additive at $12.99 (http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=121&pcid=21) and you still have a little change to upgrade to Peroni. 

[twowings]

The Amazon webpage Product Description for the oil clearly states "highest degree of protection and cleanliness for your automotive, motorcycle, or marine engine".  If Amazon is using Redline's words to describe the product  or someone at Amazon wrote the product description AND the product is incorrectly described, i.e "We don't make a motorcycle oil" , then I will return it for a refund.  Amazon has never refused to accept a return on any item I've ever ordered that didn't satisfy my expectations. 

[Arizona Wayne]

The Amazon webpage Product Description for the oil clearly states "highest degree of protection and cleanliness for your automotive, motorcycle, or marine engine".  If Amazon is using Redline's words to describe the product  or someone at Amazon wrote the product description AND the product is incorrectly described, i.e "We don't make a motorcycle oil" , then I will return it for a refund.  Amazon has never refused to accept a return on any item I've ever ordered that didn't satisfy my expectations.

If you're not sure, maybe you should find out what ingredients are in the oil you get before you reject  it.  Obviously you kissed off what I posted here earlier, but that's your choice.

[crock]

You don't need motorcycle specific oil for a Moto Guzzi. By definition, motorcycle oil contains an additive package designed for engines which share oil with the gearbox and clutch. The Moto Guzzi does not share oil with the gearbox or clutch and therefore has no problem using car oil. In fact, car oil might actually work a little better than motorcycle oil.

[Arizona Wayne]

You don't need motorcycle specific oil for a Moto Guzzi. By definition, motorcycle oil contains an additive package designed for engines which share oil with the gearbox and clutch. The Moto Guzzi does not share oil with the gearbox or clutch and therefore has no problem using car oil. In fact, car oil might actually work a little better than motorcycle oil.

On that subject, I have a Suzuki VX800 V-twin that has used dino 10W-40 car oil for 84K miles and has never had a slipping clutch as some have claimed will happen.  It's valves never need to be adjusted as often as the factory claims either, which are adjusted just like on a Guzzi.  So what I am saying is don't automatically believe everything you are told. 

[Muzz]

I have just looked up the Penrite Oil site and they make two full synthetic 10W60 oils. Both say they have the full zinc load. Both are PAO Ester 100% full synthetic. One is for cars, the other (recommended for the Breva) is MC4-ST and is specific for motorcycles.

They would know that the Breva has a dry clutch, so why not just recommend either for it?, unless of course there actually is a difference.

[bigbikerrick]

I paid for 4 cases of the redline oil, for $17.05 a case, but they have not shipped it out yet. I am just wondering if any one else that got orders in at the cheap price has received a shipping confirmation e mail ? I kinda doubt if they will actually sell it at that price.
Rick.

[drlapo]

yes. the 2 cases I ordered at $17.05 have shipped via UPS
expected delivery on 5/5/16i am concerned that the shipping weight is only 5 pounds: seems light for 12 qts of oil.
is it only 2 qts????

[blackcat]

yes. the 2 cases I ordered at $17.05 have shipped via UPS
expected delivery on 5/5/16i am concerned that the shipping weight is only 5 pounds: seems light for 12 qts of oil.
is it only 2 qts????

Hmmm....the two cases that I ordered weighs 6 lbs.

"Scheduled Delivery Updated To:
Wednesday, 05/04/2016, By End of Day"

Well, I guess we will find out soon enough.

My order details says: "2 of Red Line Oil 11704 Synthetic Motor Oil 10W60 Pack of 6 Quarts"

[dan407]

My order of 3 has shipped as well.

My order on Amazon clearly states that its a pack of 6 quarts for $17.05.
Amazon order information:     "3 of Red Line Oil 11704 Synthetic Motor Oil 10W60 Pack of 6 Quarts".


Question is did they ship 3 or 18 quarts.
I don't see the weight of the package anywhere, but it's coming UPS.

If it's 3 quarts back it goes.

[Rotten Ralph]

A quart of motor oil is real close to 2 lb - so X 6=12 lb +/-

Something doesn't add up.

[twowings]

"I don't have 1 of the newer more powerful Guzzis"

I do, so any speculation on your part is merely for your own amusement.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Ah..the plot thickens!

:-)

I was on the web site looking at gear oil and saw the tech page for oil?? should have known better to put it here.
But that begs a question...why drop the ZDDP content for the 10W60???

It's a car oil. ZDDP kills catalytic converters, ergo, drop the level in car oil. BMW cars use it. Is it ok to use in your motorcycle? I imagine. Just the same on flat tappet Guzzi engines, I run only SG rated oils.
It looks like we now have a full blown oil thread.. 
 

[timonbik]

My 2 cases show as shipped, but we'll see how many quarts show up. 
Cheers, Tim

[drlapo]

I've used "car" oil in my BMW and Triumphs for 35+ years without an oil related failure.  All are flat tappet engines.
Am I just a lucky guy?

[leafman60]

Experts disagree about oil for vintage and flat tappet motors.

Racing oil has more ZDDP but lacks other additives that help street engines....

http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/0702sr-engine-oil/

A few excerpts:

Matthew Ansari: Although zinc has been reduced, other effective anti-wear compounds are being substituted, although they are more expensive.

Cameron Evans: Racing oils should never be run in a street engine. Our 30WT Race oil (which is a 10W-30 multi-grade that carries that name in regard to its viscosity at its usual operating temp) differs from our 10W-30 motor oil mostly via a lack of detergent. Racers change their oil much more often and are looking for maximum lubricity, so the detergents that add to engine cleanliness and keep contaminants in suspension are left out for the most part.

Cameron Evans: Early synthetic products justifiably got a bad rap for causing leaks, but that is no longer the case, especially for an ester oil like Red Line that promotes seal swell.


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[bigbikerrick]

I think each case should weigh a little north of 12 lbs.
                                                           

                                                          Rick.

[jim_W]

Does not look good. I ordered three 6 packs and the UPS tracking site shows 8 pounds.  Guess it will go back.

If it looks too good to be true, it probably is................. ..........