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« Reply #60 on: September 26, 2014, 12:31:01 PM »
With the heads pointed away from the riders knees you have more room for the heads to get bigger right?

Next step. BIGGER HEADS!  ;-T


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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #61 on: September 26, 2014, 02:49:25 PM »

Next step. BIGGER HEADS!  ;-T


The current heads are huge on the outside.  I'd be happy with the heads and cylinders being bigger on the inside !!!
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« Reply #62 on: September 26, 2014, 04:46:33 PM »
Trade the Heron heads for a Tardus Topper?

Doctor Who would approve!  ;-T


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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #63 on: September 27, 2014, 07:17:47 AM »

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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #65 on: September 27, 2014, 08:14:24 AM »
Ohhh, lowered FOOTPEGS for more legroom.
Not necessarily.  The seat is also 1 inch lower, so the net distance from butt to feet is unchanged.  The only increase in legroom is in the area of the knees, due to the forward rotated engine position.
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #66 on: September 27, 2014, 08:31:23 AM »
Not necessarily.  The seat is also 1 inch lower, so the net distance from butt to feet is unchanged.  The only increase in legroom is in the area of the knees, due to the forward rotated engine position.

Are you sure?

I don't speak Italian, but I also don't trust google to translate a foreign language without mistakes.

Conversely Cycle World was pretty clear about lowered pegs for more room, and I suspect that's based on am English language press release from Piaggio NA, and I hope they would get it right.

Also, even if there is a lower seat height, that doesn't mean it was achieved with a thinner seat, it could be from lower shocks.
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #67 on: September 27, 2014, 10:04:33 AM »
Are you sure?

I don't speak Italian, but I also don't trust google to translate a foreign language without mistakes.

Conversely Cycle World was pretty clear about lowered pegs for more room, and I suspect that's based on am English language press release from Piaggio NA, and I hope they would get it right.

Also, even if there is a lower seat height, that doesn't mean it was achieved with a thinner steady, it could be from lower shocks.

I agree.  For that matter, the lower pegs could also be due to lower shocks.  There are now about a dozen English-language reports about the new bikes on the web, from various secondary sources.  They all describe the lowered pegs and/or seat differently.  At this point, we're all just guessing.  Even so, I want one.
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« Reply #68 on: September 27, 2014, 10:45:16 AM »
You can see how much lower the lower frame rail is by comparing the position of the oil dipstick in relation to the rail on the different bikes.

The same footpeg parts but mounted to a lower frame rail for the increased legroom.

Luckily the V7 series has lots of ground clearance to spare! Wouldn't want to drag those sump extenders!

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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #69 on: September 27, 2014, 11:25:25 AM »
Info courtesy of MG_750 on Yahoo Groups

Guzzi put out a press release for the 2015 V7, which they are calling the V7 II.  It's got;

- six speed transmission
- ABS braking
- traction control
- engine is tilted 4 deg forward, and lowered 1 cm, giving a lower seat and more leg room



http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2015-moto-guzzi-v7-ii-arrives-presently-87060.html#

Press Release is here:   http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&ved=0CEoQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.piaggiogroup.com%2Fsites%2Fall%2Ffiles%2Fpiaggiogroup%2Fnews%2Fpr_news_moto_guzzi_and_aprilia_at_intermot_2014_eng.pdf&ei=PtMmVPC
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #70 on: September 27, 2014, 11:32:22 AM »
Now if they take that motive package, couple it with a reactive rear end and put it in a mini Stelvio I'll be all over it like a rash!!! 8)

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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #71 on: September 27, 2014, 12:06:59 PM »
I agree.  For that matter, the lower pegs could also be due to lower shocks. 

Well, CW quite specifically said they were lowered for room, but if, as you say, there are conflicting reports, who knows.

Still, it wouldn't make sense to even mention lowered pegs if it wasn't for a change in their relationship with the seat.

If it's because of lowered shocks that would be like saying "lower headlight" or "lower battery" for the same reason. :D
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #72 on: September 27, 2014, 12:08:16 PM »
Please Guzzi, no more band-aids; lets do something for real!  Who really needs this stuff??  4mm here, 1mm there... REALLY?  A 5 speed tranny is fine for these bikes.  Is it necessary to cruise at 80 mph on a bike this size in 6th gear?  It will post higher speeds now but going the ton on these is not for the weak of heart.  ABS= OK fine.  TC= silly for 40hp output.  More to go wrong.  Guzzi/electrical= bad combination.  <sigh>

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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #73 on: September 27, 2014, 12:38:45 PM »
Well, CW quite specifically said they were lowered for room, but if, as you say, there are conflicting reports, who knows.

Still, it wouldn't make sense to even mention lowered pegs if it wasn't for a change in their relationship with the seat.

If it's because of lowered shocks that would be like saying "lower headlight" or "lower battery" for the same reason. :D

I think we won't have to wait long to learn more.  The show itself opens on Tuesday, Sept. 30.  Also, with Moto Guzzi's announced plan to have these on salesroom floors in November, there ought to be specs and tech info available by then.
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #74 on: September 27, 2014, 01:08:05 PM »
Have to agree with most of what Kev says here. A little too much of the black thing for my tastes, I'm sure there will be other options. Hope the ABS and TC don't push the price up too much. Low price is what attracted a lot of people to the bike in the first place and MG certainly needs to keep an entry level model in the lineup. 
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #75 on: September 27, 2014, 01:26:33 PM »
To compete in the global marketplace they need to their products current and competitive. EU requires ABS on all bikes over 125cc sold after Jan. 1, 2016. I say good on Guzzi for going further with these upgrades that will make them more completive in the global marketplace.

You may have noticed price increases on the V7 over the past 2 years, I'm thinking this was done to ease the transition to the V7 II.

After a very bitter experience with my former 1200 Sport I to am concerned about adding any additional electronics to a Guzzi.  ::)



Bottom lime, I applaud their effort to keep their product line relevant and competitive.  ;-T   ;-T

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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #76 on: September 27, 2014, 01:32:11 PM »
Moto Guzzi, how about a new set of heads to get the performance up to around 1980's standards?
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #77 on: September 27, 2014, 01:37:25 PM »
Now, THATs interesting!
A 6-speed gearbox and ABS is precisely what Im missing on the Breva. A lower seat not, though.
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #78 on: September 27, 2014, 01:39:27 PM »
I think we won't have to wait long to learn more.  The show itself opens on Tuesday, Sept. 30.  Also, with Moto Guzzi's announced plan to have these on salesroom floors in November, there ought to be specs and tech info available by then.

I see what you're talking about though here:

http://m.autoevolution.com/2015-moto-guzzi-v7-ii-arrives-presently-87060.html#

This one just says bike is overall lower.

Wonder if CW just made a bad assumption.

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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #79 on: September 27, 2014, 01:40:34 PM »
I don't see any negatives in this, but I'm an optimist anyway.
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« Reply #80 on: September 27, 2014, 02:58:38 PM »
 I really don't see the need for a 6 speed tranny.  Maybe I am missing something.  Otherwise the upgrades make sense.

If they would have released a 900 cc version with maybe 65 horsepower, and same weight, I would be all over upgrading.

For now my V7R is just fine, and at 10K miles singing along although its time for a tune up maintenance.

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« Reply #81 on: September 27, 2014, 03:39:47 PM »
Nice upgrades.

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« Reply #82 on: September 27, 2014, 05:15:47 PM »
I really don't see the need for a 6 speed tranny.  Maybe I am missing something.  Otherwise the upgrades make sense.

If they would have released a 900 cc version with maybe 65 horsepower, and same weight, I would be all over upgrading.

For now my V7R is just fine, and at 10K miles singing along although its time for a tune up maintenance.
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #83 on: September 27, 2014, 05:21:24 PM »
Paul at Corsa Italiana told me that they are expecting them at the end of November or December. No price yet.

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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #84 on: September 27, 2014, 06:03:40 PM »
I really don't see the need for a 6 speed tranny.  Maybe I am missing something.  Otherwise the upgrades make sense.

I've looked for a sixth gear many times, and I'm sure the motor makes enough power to drop revs a couple hundred rpm on the highway.
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« Reply #85 on: September 27, 2014, 06:12:32 PM »
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It will post higher speeds now but going the ton on these is not for the weak of heart.

I've had my V7R over the ton several and never noticed anything untoward about it. Works fine!
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2014, 06:34:10 PM »
They've lengthened the lower frame rail / cradle of the frame to move/rotate the engine.

I think the lower pegs are a byproduct of the engine / transmission move, since the pegs bolt to the lower frame rail.
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #87 on: September 27, 2014, 06:47:24 PM »
Aprilia's English version press release mentions increased knee and leg room from both the engine rotation and the 25mm lower foot pegs, but says nothing about a lower saddle. 

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The aesthetics have also evolved: on the new V7 II the engine has been tilted 4° toward the front axle and lowered 10 mm. This solution not only significantly improves the aesthetics from a side view, which on previous models seemed to have a "nose-up" look of the 90° V, but it also created more knee room. In fact, the new V7 II, which also has new 25 mm lower footpegs, provides a comfortable position even for above average height riders, while remaining accessible and "user friendly" for riders – men and women – of any size.

But, I agree that we will not really know for sure until the solid show reports arrive.
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #88 on: September 27, 2014, 07:18:40 PM »
I wait with baited breath ... ;)
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Re: 2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest
« Reply #89 on: September 27, 2014, 09:52:21 PM »
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