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Re: V9 Review Thread. Merged Threadfest
« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2016, 12:26:50 PM »
It might be worth watching salvage auctions for a light wrecked V9.    I could see combing a V9 with a V9 Stone or Special to build a V9 Stone or Special.  I'm pretty much thinking V9 engine, frame, swing arm, plus everything else from the V7.

Why not just buy a V9 and install a V7 fuel tank?

Or, just wait until MY 2017 and buy one new ?
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« Reply #61 on: March 20, 2016, 12:56:35 PM »
Can't wait to see the "V9 LeMans".  New engine in an old "Racer" package (without the numbers).

Hell, paint it in the retro 850 LeMans scheme, with a record fairing to match!
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« Reply #62 on: March 20, 2016, 02:02:20 PM »
The "bikesocial" test ride has some funny remarks: Since when have the V7 (STB-models) a torque maximum at 5000/min? Below 3000 would be the right data point. And plastic tanks cannot be found at the V7 since at least 2012. I wish those "motor journalists" would begin with some recherche and stop writing nonsense.
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« Reply #63 on: March 20, 2016, 03:52:18 PM »
Meanwhile, there had been an official test drive in Mandello for the Guzzi Clan members today.

From the review i read, it seems the suspensions had been vastly improved over the previous small blocks.

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« Reply #64 on: March 20, 2016, 05:13:08 PM »
Bikesocial weighs in with another lukewarm review but by far the most lengthy and descriptive one I've read.  Still belabors the handling  :rolleyes: 

http://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bike-reviews/moto-guzzi/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-and-bobber-2016---first-ride-review/#.Vu6w7_D3arV

That review strikes me as better than "lukewarm", especially for $10,000 motorcycles.

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« Reply #65 on: March 20, 2016, 05:21:02 PM »
I cannot help but believe that the V9 engine will find its way into the other V7 models.

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« Reply #66 on: March 20, 2016, 05:32:41 PM »
Also, has anyone seen an independently-done dyno run of the V9?

I have been reading up on the new H-D Street 750 that I test-rode in Daytona.  I was favorably impressed with its engine.

Cycle World has put the 60 degree 750 H-D on the dyno and read 58 HP@ 7955 RPM with torque of 43.2 @ 3790 RPM.

Guzzi publishes specs for the V9 of 55 HP @ 6250 RPM, torque of 45.7 @3000 RPM.

Of course,  the Guzzi numbers are at the crank and the H-D numbers are at the wheel.

Assuming a 15 percent power loss to the wheel, the Guzzi would need about 68 at the crank to yield 58 HP at the wheel to match the smaller H-D VTwin engine.

The H-D is competitive with the Honda 700 and others.


http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/04/02/2015-harley-davidson-street-750-versus-competitors-on-cw-dynojet-dyno/
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« Reply #67 on: March 20, 2016, 05:57:27 PM »
Then again aren't the numbers on the new Street Twin more like the V9. That might be a more important comparison.

I wish Harley well with their Street, but I'm not a fan of the looks and the bike itself feels cheaper than a smallblock.
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Re: V9 Review Thread. Merged Threadfest
« Reply #68 on: March 20, 2016, 10:14:43 PM »
Also, has anyone seen an independently-done dyno run of the V9?

I have been reading up on the new H-D Street 750 that I test-rode in Daytona.  I was favorably impressed with its engine.

Cycle World has put the 60 degree 750 H-D on the dyno and read 58 HP@ 7955 RPM with torque of 43.2 @ 3790 RPM.

Guzzi publishes specs for the V9 of 55 HP @ 6250 RPM, torque of 45.7 @3000 RPM.

Of course,  the Guzzi numbers are at the crank and the H-D numbers are at the wheel.

Assuming a 15 percent power loss to the wheel, the Guzzi would need about 68 at the crank to yield 58 HP at the wheel to match the smaller H-D VTwin engine.

The H-D is competitive with the Honda 700 and others.


http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/04/02/2015-harley-davidson-street-750-versus-competitors-on-cw-dynojet-dyno/

And the Harley is what?  50 lbs heavier than the V9 ?
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« Reply #69 on: March 21, 2016, 08:13:27 AM »
What Honda 700 are you referring to??  The HD is also liquid cooled.   It makes more sense to me, to compare air cooled to air, and vice versa.
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« Reply #70 on: March 21, 2016, 09:11:00 AM »
Then again aren't the numbers on the new Street Twin more like the V9. That might be a more important comparison.

I wish Harley well with their Street, but I'm not a fan of the looks and the bike itself feels cheaper than a smallblock.

These are crankshaft but

Guzzi V9 vs. Triumph Sreet Twin

55 hp @ 6250 vs. 55 hp. @ 5900

46 ft. lbs. @ 3000 vs. 59 ft. lbs. @ 3230

Hey LEAF, thanks for that link, I find the Duc 696 vs. Street dyno comparison to be particularly interesting!



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« Reply #71 on: March 21, 2016, 09:24:58 AM »
The V9 is growing on me, and the initial reviews have been intriguing. If I were in the market for another bike, it would definitely be in contention. Of the two versions, I prefer the style and riding position of the Roamer. Also, the matte black finish on the exhaust and other parts of the Bobber looks good when brand new, but with some real world dirt, grime and wear, gets tired looking pretty fast.

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« Reply #72 on: March 21, 2016, 02:51:49 PM »
And the Harley is what?  50 lbs heavier than the V9 ?

The factory specs say 489 pounds in running order, 455 as shipped.

Best I can find is a weight spec for the V9 of 200KG or 440 pounds. Not sure of that's wet or dry.
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« Reply #73 on: March 21, 2016, 03:11:50 PM »
Best I can find is a weight spec for the V9 of 200KG or 440 pounds. Not sure of that's wet or dry.
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« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2016, 05:23:45 AM »
Why not just buy a V9 and install a V7 fuel tank?

Or, just wait until MY 2017 and buy one new ?

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Can't wait to see the "V9 LeMans".  New engine in an old "Racer" package (without the numbers).

Hell, paint it in the retro 850 LeMans scheme, with a record fairing to match!

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« Reply #75 on: March 22, 2016, 05:46:07 AM »
Why not just buy a V9 and install a V7 fuel tank?



You know Todd is talking about offering a Guzzitech V9 II built to order with V7 tank and your choice of Guzzitech suspension and other upgrades.

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« Reply #76 on: March 22, 2016, 01:02:23 PM »
All this talk about putting the V9 engine in the V7 series bikes is just that.  Dave Richardson from Moto International says he has heard NOTHING about such a thing happening, and he's plugged in, no?

Sounds logical TO US, but does Guzzi and logic always go hand in hand?

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« Reply #77 on: March 22, 2016, 01:23:01 PM »
All this talk about putting the V9 engine in the V7 series bikes is just that.  Dave Richardson from Moto International says he has heard NOTHING about such a thing happening, and he's plugged in, no?

Sounds logical TO US, but does Guzzi and logic always go hand in hand?

He may be plugged in for a US dealer.

But, and I could be wrong, but isn't Dogwalker a LOT more plugged in.

It certainly seems so from everything he's posted over the years.

But bottom line, the V7 is NOT EU4 compliant so we'll know soon enough.

So I'm not saying anything is certain, but the writing does appear to be on the wall. But you're right we won't know till we know.
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« Reply #78 on: March 22, 2016, 01:58:07 PM »
But, and I could be wrong, but isn't Dogwalker a LOT more plugged in.
Really not, no more than a dealer for certain.
All that I do is to report voices of those that are plugged in (sometimes an employee, or an employee of a supplier), or to make predictions based on logic.
Simply, for Moto Guzzi, doesn't seem logic to spend money to make the 750 Euro-4 compliant, and then to keep in production two engines so similar, yet different, when just one can cover the whole current range of small block bikes, and possibly some more, at reduced prodction costs (thanks to scale economies).
But Moto Guzzi can do illogical things. :wink:
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« Reply #79 on: March 22, 2016, 02:20:58 PM »
Really not, no more than a dealer for certain.
All that I do is to report voices of those that are plugged in (sometimes an employee, or an employee of a supplier), or to make predictions based on logic.

Well, having known a number of US dealers, I'm afraid those voices (of an employee or employee supplier) would tend to be MUCH more plugged in than the average dealer, especially those in the US.

That's not to say some aren't taken into confidence sometimes, but it's not uncommon for us to hear about things here in WG before a US dealer is informed through regulator channels.

So I for one appreciate any tidbits you are able to glean.

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« Reply #80 on: March 22, 2016, 02:23:42 PM »
having known a number of US dealers, I'm afraid those voices (of an employee or employee supplier) would tend to be MUCH more plugged in than the average dealer, especially those in the US.
 

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« Reply #81 on: March 22, 2016, 02:26:20 PM »
Anyway, it's simply too early to know what will be presented at EICMA 2016.
Last year, something of the new engine began to leak in Maj, and some dealer saw the new bikes in september.

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« Reply #82 on: March 22, 2016, 02:29:55 PM »
 You mean WG is RELEVANT Kev   :shocked:

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« Reply #83 on: March 22, 2016, 02:44:44 PM »
MI is not your average dealer, which is the only reason I mentioned it.

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« Reply #84 on: March 22, 2016, 02:50:13 PM »
MI is not your average dealer, which is the only reason I mentioned it.

I know that, but at one time neither was MPH or Speakers.

Hell, I remember a Piaggio rep just showing up at the MA rally with sketches of future products (which I believe included something on some Cali 1400 variants years before they were released) but you weren't getting much chatter elsewhere about it. With Piaggio and Guzzi and the US you just never know.

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« Reply #85 on: March 22, 2016, 04:23:02 PM »
Peter Jones of Cycleworld likes it.  In fact I'd say he's a bit over the moon about it.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2016/03/21/2017-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-and-v9-bobber-cruiser-motorcycle-review-first-ride/

Couple of interesting tidbits from this review: Jones thinks the suspension is actually "just right" (not his exact words).  I'm skeptical.  I'd be happy if the shocks were something I didn't need to replace before riding home from the dealer.

Also, he says something like "at one point, 57 mpg was achieved."  But this may have been only an instantaneous reading?  If so, obviously doesn't mean much.
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« Reply #86 on: March 22, 2016, 04:56:36 PM »
Wow.

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« Reply #87 on: March 22, 2016, 06:39:37 PM »
Peter Jones of Cycleworld likes it.  In fact I'd say he's a bit over the moon about it.

http://www.cycleworld.com/2016/03/21/2017-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-and-v9-bobber-cruiser-motorcycle-review-first-ride/

Couple of interesting tidbits from this review: Jones thinks the suspension is actually "just right" (not his exact words).  I'm skeptical.  I'd be happy if the shocks were something I didn't need to replace before riding home from the dealer.

Also, he says something like "at one point, 57 mpg was achieved."  But this may have been only an instantaneous reading?  If so, obviously doesn't mean much.

Damn, that's one of the most positive reviews of an MG I've ever read from a major MC publication.

I think he convinced me that I need one...
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« Reply #88 on: March 22, 2016, 07:19:14 PM »
 I think he likes it. I'm seeing the's as a modern T-3 with a little more style, just a good honest motorcycle.
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« Reply #89 on: March 22, 2016, 08:29:47 PM »
"On the roadway, the machines maintained this low-weight feel without giving any unwanted sensation of over-tipping into curves."

What was that weenie in the other pub whining about how it wanted to tip over to the right and fight to get it to lay down to the left?

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