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Snake Help !!!
« on: September 11, 2021, 06:17:28 PM »
I saw this in one of my tomato pots. I thought it was a stick or something and touched it.  It didn't move but then I realized it was a snake.   When I took the photo it started to bury  itself.

OK, will this guy kill me?



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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2021, 06:32:07 PM »
I'm no snake expert, but it looks like a black snake. Doesn't look like a copperhead. I can only identify a copperhead or a rattlesnake. If it has a heart shaped head it is supposed to be poisonous.
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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2021, 06:47:40 PM »
I think it’s a common RAT snake. Not positive but that’s as close as I can call it.

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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2021, 06:54:47 PM »
Northern Watersnake. Some call them Blacksnakes, often confused with copperheads.
Won't kill you. When I come across them I pick them up by the tail, toss them into a pond or tall grass, just so my dogs don't mess with them.
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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2021, 06:57:30 PM »


Northern Watersnake. Some call them Blacksnakes, often confused with copperheads.
Won't kill you. When I come across them I pick them up by the tail, toss them into a pond or tall grass, just so my dogs don't mess with them.
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Our black snakes in NC are black only, no other colors.
This is a picture of a Rat Snake.
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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2021, 07:02:17 PM »
Our black snakes in NC are black only, no other colors.
actually black snakes and northern watersnakes are different, just that some people call them the same.
At least the people I've come across.
A true black snake is all black.

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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2021, 07:06:48 PM »
Northern watersnake



In either case, good eatin'  :grin:
seems like different locations, or time of the year they can look different.


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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2021, 08:11:13 PM »
Thanks guys.  Assume it ain't poisonous.   A worry for another day.




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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2021, 08:30:57 PM »
Thanks Dan-0.  Maybe the snake will get my gopher/mole/vole.   But I ran him out to the back yard. 
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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2021, 08:41:09 PM »
thanks guys..... good to go.  If it bites I'll let you know.   We can move on.   :police:
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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2021, 09:12:08 PM »
If it is a northern banded water snake, know they are hyper territorial.  They like to bite & when they do, they have an anticoagulant in their saliva that will make you bleed &bleed & bleed like it's never going to stop.  But they are not venomous.    that looks more like a rat snake to me, which is an asset to have around imho.

Neither snake aren't poisonous, either.  If you eat them one, you will not be poisoned.... 
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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2021, 09:19:34 PM »
If it is a northern banded water snake, know they are hyper territorial.  They like to bite & when they do, they have an anticoagulant in their saliva that will make you bleed &bleed & bleed like it's never going to stop.  But they are not venomous.    that looks more like a rat snake to me, which is an asset to have around imho.

Neither snake aren't poisonous, either.  If you eat them one, you will not be poisoned....
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2021, 09:30:29 PM »
If it is a northern banded water snake, know they are hyper territorial.  They like to bite & when they do, they have an anticoagulant in their saliva that will make you bleed &bleed & bleed like it's never going to stop.  But they are not venomous.    that looks more like a rat snake to me, which is an asset to have around imho.

Neither snake aren't poisonous, either.  If you eat them one, you will not be poisoned....

OH SHIT!
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2021, 09:54:21 PM »
The last go-round that i had with one was a few yrs ago.  I was fishing at a favorite spot, where a creek feeds a nearby state park lake.  Just worms and usually panfish, sitting in the shade & relaxing.   Got a bream on the line. Didn't look too big.  But then it fought like crazy, so,thought maybe a different fish had grabbed my hook instead.  Nope.  Got it near the bank and there was a water snake going after my fish.  !!! Very cool.

So I reeled the fish up onto the bank.  First the snake let go.  Then it came out of water after the fish. !!!  I was sitting about 10' from the water's edge in the shade.  Reeled in fish to me.  snake came after it/me, head raised & wanting that fish...  I unhooked the fish asap, threw it down just past my boot.  Snake grabbed the fish by the mouth, wrapped all around it, then carried it back to the water and disappeared.

Happened pretty quick.  Kinda hard to believe but it sure did happen. 
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2021, 10:13:13 PM »
The last go-round that i had with one was a few yrs ago.  I was fishing at a favorite spot, where a creek feeds a nearby state park lake.  Just worms and usually panfish, sitting in the shade & relaxing.   Got a bream on the line. Didn't look too big.  But then it fought like crazy, so,thought maybe a different fish had grabbed my hook instead.  Nope.  Got it near the bank and there was a water snake going after my fish.  !!! Very cool.

So I reeled the fish up onto the bank.  First the snake let go.  Then it came out of water after the fish. !!!  I was sitting about 10' from the water's edge in the shade.  Reeled in fish to me.  snake came after it/me, head raised & wanting that fish...  I unhooked the fish asap, threw it down just past my boot.  Snake grabbed the fish by the mouth, wrapped all around it, then carried it back to the water and disappeared.

Happened pretty quick.  Kinda hard to believe but it sure did happen.
Shoulda kept them both.
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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2021, 06:56:08 AM »
Would that have been Surf and Turf?
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2021, 07:47:20 AM »


                    With the exception of the coral snake all venomous snakes in North America have a blunt tail, triangle shape head, blunt nose and slit shaped pupils.
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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2021, 08:20:53 AM »
Shoulda kept them both.
Two course dinner.  :food:

Would that have been Surf and Turf?

That snake was PiSSED!  he had his own surf & turf plans and it looked like i could either leave the chef  alone or become part of the menu...
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2021, 09:04:13 AM »
Next time, step n his neck, pick him up.
Cut off his head (chances are he'll still be snapping his jaws)
Peel his skin back towards his tail.
Guts will fall away with the skin.
Wrap the meat around a stick, roast him over a fire.
If you want him moist, you can use a pan over the coals.
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2021, 09:42:16 AM »
Grabbing and dressing a snake is small potatoes.  When we met, my future wife had a non-releasable rehab 42lb snapping turtle in the nature center that she managed.  His name was Roy.  His head was nearly as big as my fist.   As a result of the damage to his shell and bad floral fiberglass boat patch repair, he had air in his body cavity and developed persistent pneumonia.  so we had to reach in to his enclosure, snatch him up by his tail and stick him into a the corner of a cooler so she could give him shots in his front leg/shoulder.   It was apparently a good way for her to screen potential suitors. Then there was the meds that required we stick a plastic drinking glass over his head instead of using the cooler....   I like eating turtle.  But wife likes turtles, so I haven't cleaned & cooked any snapping turtle for years. 

We try to encourage some black snakes around here to keep the other undesirable animals away.
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Re: Snake Help !!!
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2021, 10:06:17 AM »
I think it's a Western Rat Snake.  Thanks for the advice

http://www.oksnakes.org/western-ratsnake.html
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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2021, 10:27:07 AM »
I think it's a Western Rat Snake.  Thanks for the advice

http://www.oksnakes.org/western-ratsnake.html
Sure look similar in pictures to a Norther water snake.
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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2021, 10:33:22 AM »
Since I'm in Okla and it's quite hot and dry now, and since I'm a block away from the creek, I'm thinking it's a Rat snake.
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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2021, 10:44:28 AM »
Since I'm in Okla and it's quite hot and dry now, and since I'm a block away from the creek, I'm thinking it's a Rat snake.
Good news is, they all taste good!

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« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2021, 10:47:24 AM »
Good news is, they all taste good!

Better to go after moles, voles and gophers.  Perhaps those rodents are tasty too?  But the issue is ever finding one.  Probably a better job for a snake.  I'm no fan of rats either.
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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2021, 10:58:20 AM »
Rabbits are my favorite, but the coyotes pretty much wiped them out in my area.

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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2021, 12:52:58 PM »
Rabbits are top of my list as well.  In between the plentiful coyotes, we only have small rabbits down here in SC versus the bigger hares up in VT that are actually worth the effort to hunt & eat.  Of course, they're all kinda skimpy after years of high quality farm-raised rabbit in the professional kitchen.

When I started my apprenticeship, one of the first big events was our annual Oktoberfest.  I was tasked with the Sauerbraten and the Hassenpheffor.  Never had a farm-raised rabbit before then.  Great eating, but it was even more luxurious to not spend all that time picking shot.

It's hard to beat the saddle from a nice big rabbit.  Really great eating.
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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2021, 01:10:22 PM »
Can’t tell from your picture, but I can say this is a big ‘ol Ozarks cottonmouth. Saw him hangin’ out on Bull creek in Taney County, Mo.

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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2021, 02:24:18 PM »
FWIW Amazon sells snake handling sticks and bags. When the rattlers are too close to human pathways, I pick them up and move them a couple of hundred yards away. Of course, they are territorial and will come back, but the stick makes it handy to move them out of my way.  YMMV
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