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Uh , electric vehicles are bad fast . Dusty
As for the electrics, they only work for someone in an urban environment and not made for the long haul.
As per the comment on lightweight bikes for the long haul, been in a 40 knot crosswind riding a light bike? Heavier is better for that scenario. Personally I'd like to see Moto Guzzi do a V-4 water cooled cruiser bike. One that weighs in at 620lbs and could be anywhere form 1000cc to 1500cc. And with a single sided CARC shaft and larger gas tank than my (new) Eldo had. Still make the 850's and improve on them. As for the electrics, they only work for someone in an urban environment and not made for the long haul.
Ncdan: Yup. Totally agree. I also don't do 2 up anymore so that has eliminated a need for a bigger motor/hp at this stage of my life. I have never experienced the 1400 so like I said, not really qualified to comment on that. Just my opinion on what I read and what I and my friends like, doesn't seem to be much interest in the larger bikes. Everyone should buy what they want. The market place speaks and the manufacturers react. Time will tell.
Never can be a while JJ. There may come a day we canít get gasoline 🤔😂👍
Well, net income is up which makes me wonder if some other costs are run thru Guzzi for many different accounting reasons. Wouldn't be the first time costs get allocated in creative ways. Also makes me think that some of the R and D for the V85 will now level out and those columns will change.As for their US future, the dealer network issue KILLS them. When I'm in a room with 20 riders 19 of them lie the bike but would NEVER own one. The reception is there is no where to take it. Mind, most ride Harleys and BMW's so I understand why they feel that way. I'm half kidding, but only half.And Guzzi N/A lost a a, IMO, very knowledgeable and key player in 2nd half 2020. Not at all a positive step.
The future of Moto Guzzi is electric. As it is for all other motorcycle manufacturers. When everybody uses the same motor how do you do product differentiation? I suspect a lot of brands are going away.Mike
Personally, I think electric vehicles are a pipe dream. The IC engine is fully mature technology and works extremely well. We have a trillion dollar infrastructure of gas stations and all the rest developed to service that tech. We are swimming in oil for the long foreseeable future. Electric is struggling to even come close to matching the performance of IC, and nobody thinks it will ever be radically superior (e.g. electric vehicles arenít going to create a 175 mph superhighway)Iíd change my mind if the pre-tax true price of gasoline got to $12/gallon and stayed there. But even if the price a fuel created a powerful incentive for electric, as soon as a substantial percentage switched to electric, wouldnít the price of gas collapse with the weaker demand? Not clear to me where the equilibrium would be.As to Guzzi, Iím surprised they have lasted this long. Sorry. Maybe I had too many grumpy pills this morning
I pretty much can agree with your take on this mr smith, especially on the EV/IC take. As far as MG is concerned, there are reasons that the company does not seem capable of growth. Some of it is the fault of the companies that have owned it and some of it is the inherent issues that tend to plague most every model they come out with. Personally I canít believe that a motorcycle company can complete with the rest of the market with a limited CC motor of 850. I also believe that they canít stay competitive without a bigger tourer, both Sport and cruiser style. There are simply too much of the riding public in these type of bikes and not so called ADVENTURE BIKES. Not knocking these monster dirt road warriors, I just donít believe they will hold the brand up, these and the 700s. I could definitely be found wrong and the future will be the only judge. Good conversation👍
I'm tempted to think like you and wonder. Personally I think a 1000-1200cc water-cooled CARC would be the answer. You wouldn't need the cubes of the 1400 and you would be set with performance and emissions for a long time. This along with the smallblock variants would deliver what most of the world wants, just not the super-heavyweight touring bikes and frankly, and who cares for now and maybe forever I mean I dunno even what BMW sells of the big-big bikes. They make their lionshare 1250 down right?!?Just look at the Harley Pan Am - if THEY can do it, why not Guzzi.
I think the prognostications on Guzzi's demise are well overstated. This is a niche company that makes niche products. They have never been a sales behemoth or had much of a footprint outside esoteric circles of enthusiasts (beside their short stint supplying bikes to CA highway patrol). Judging from their dealer network and support, it doesnt even seem like they want to move beyond that (in the US at least).There are plenty of companies who make their hay selling quirky/retro/niche products to those who want them, and dont really offer anything outside that to attract other buyers/demographics. For example, I have this espresso machine.. This company is now owned by Iily, but for a long time they were indy and made only retro espresso machines. They eventually got bought out by a big company and became just one part of their product mix (kinda like MG and piaggio)Is it the best espresso machine on the market? Hell no. Does it have the strongest pump, the best boiler, does it pull the most consistent shots? No. But it's passable/competitive if operated correctly, it is very basic to use, it has no worthless bells & whistles, no 'convenience features' no timers, no automatic frothing settings. Just an on/off switch and a brew switch and a toggle hi/low/ temp control. Plus is looks funky and retro and its unique.I think Guzzi fills a similar niche, they sell a few thousand bikes a year, and at least pre-- they were making the parent company money, and were trending in an ok direction. Not every motorcycle company can be Honda. That's just peachy for me.As for the big blocks going away, I dont really care. The current gen has very similar engine layout, the 850 in the V85 is almost a strong as my 1100 Breva, and the bike weighs 100# less.If people wanted more CARC bikes and 1400 cruisers, they probably would have sold instead of languishing on dealer floors. Moto Guzzi has a strong seller in the v7 that pays homage to the company history, and the v85 and v9 are good variants off that. I dont know what ya'll expect. They arent going to continue making bikes that dont sell.
As for the big blocks going away, I dont really care. The current gen has very similar engine layout, the 850 in the V85 is almost a strong as my 1100 Breva, and the bike weighs 100# less.If people wanted more CARC bikes and 1400 cruisers, they probably would have sold instead of languishing on dealer floors. Moto Guzzi has a strong seller in the v7 that pays homage to the company history, and the v85 and v9 are good variants off that. I dont know what ya'll expect. They arent going to continue making bikes that dont sell.
Maybe I am just old school, but I just don't see a Moto Guzzi looking like this electric ZERO motorcycle...
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