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Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« on: September 22, 2022, 03:39:59 PM »
Ok call me crazy but I’ve been thinking about a Roamer, again.  :shocked:
I know but that motor just haunts me, I dunno, whatever.

Anyhoo, I’ve seen some with a V7 fuel tank and liked the look.
Now I’m wondering if anyone has put an 18” front tire on one?
Any other mods?

I know it would cost a few pesos but they can be had for pretty reasonable $’s right now.

Whatcha’ think?
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2022, 04:18:11 PM »
I believe Sarah Greer or her husband Doug did the tank.

I wouldn't bother with the wheel/tire.

But I totally get the idea.
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2022, 04:21:05 PM »
Do you think lowering the triple tree by an inch would be ok and kind of offset the 19” wheel diameter or not really?
The format end was vague on the Roamer and I didn’t like the balloon tires of the Bobber.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2022, 04:30:03 PM »
Do you think lowering the triple tree by an inch would be ok and kind of offset the 19” wheel diameter or not really?
The format end was vague on the Roamer and I didn’t like the balloon tires of the Bobber.
Thanks Kev m

I honestly can't say. Maybe I should retract my previous statement as I've only ridden the Bobber (and loved it and had no problem with that front tire).

You rode the Roamer then and didn't like the front end feel?
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2022, 04:30:03 PM »

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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2022, 05:24:59 PM »
I had 2 Roamers and a Bobber.
The Bobber actually handled better, just didn’t like the balloon front.
The Roamers actually felt light and vague.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2022, 05:37:11 PM »
I had 2 Roamers and a Bobber.
The Bobber actually handled better, just didn’t like the balloon front.
The Roamers actually felt light and vague.

Ahhhhhhh interesting.

Then you know way more than me.

I like the way the Bobber handled, but I also like the V7.

Have you ridden a V7?

If yes and you like it better, then I get the tire/wheel change.

But I also think your thought of raising the forks could be interesting too. I've had good luck doing that on a Sportster with similar architecture.
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2022, 07:00:35 PM »
Yeah I have a V7-850 Stone that is a great bike.......but..... ....it still doesn’t have that original V9 motor.
Now put an older V9 motor in the V7-850 frame and.....naw I wouldn’t do that.
Still musing about the Roamer.
Thanks Kev m for your input
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2022, 08:25:12 PM »
Yeah I have a V7-850 Stone that is a great bike.......but..... ....it still doesn’t have that original V9 motor.
Now put an older V9 motor in the V7-850 frame and.....naw I wouldn’t do that.
Still musing about the Roamer.
Thanks Kev m for your input
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Sorry I'm so left field in this.

But damn if you didn't just speak what I have felt since riding the V9 Bobber Sport and the 850 V7.

I agree.

I agree so much I recently considered seeing if a dealer would take my RK in trade for a new leftover BS.
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2022, 08:33:55 PM »

I had 2 Roamers and a Bobber.


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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2022, 10:13:23 PM »
What is it about V9 motor that you prefer over that in the V7-850?

I run a Roamer I love it, so am intrigued by the difference
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2022, 11:02:20 PM »
What is it about V9 motor that you prefer over that in the V7-850?
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I don't have a Roamer or a V7 850, but I'm fascinated by this thread and would like to hear more about the differences between these two motors as I thought they were the same.... TIA
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2022, 11:06:02 PM »
The early V9 (I can't say about the EU5 ones as I've not ridden them so they might be the same as the EU5 V7), but the early V9 felt like a big block.

I don't know how/why, but it had the overall feel very similar to my Cali 1100 Jackal.

I'm assuming it was tuned for torque.

But it was such a strong impression I sought out more demo rides on another day to confirm it. I felt the same way.
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2022, 01:19:36 AM »
The early V9 (I can't say about the EU5 ones as I've not ridden them so they might be the same as the EU5 V7), but the early V9 felt like a big block.

I don't know how/why, but it had the overall feel very similar to my Cali 1100 Jackal.

I'm assuming it was tuned for torque.

But it was such a strong impression I sought out more demo rides on another day to confirm it. I felt the same way.

It does feel like a torquey motor, WOT in 3rd is a joy.

However, it's about  8 years since I sold my Cali 1100 so can't really remember to compare to a big block

Mines a 2017 bike

We need to overlay a set of torque curves :thumb:
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2022, 05:48:16 AM »
The Roamer engine has a big wallop of low down punch and long, long legs all at the same time.  Endlessly entertaining in 4th gear alone.  My 850 is feeling punchier as I put on the miles, but nothing compared to the V9.

Here's the thread detailing the tank and seat swap:

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=102756.0

Crashcraddock went on to change out the front end and frame rails for V7 III components, oh boy that'd be the ticket for sure.  But the tank and seat swap is easily doable and affordable, be sure to enlarge the pictures so you can see the detailed notes.  We've got the fender block and seat lock on hand if you decide to go for this Jack. 

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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2022, 07:39:16 AM »
Sorry I'm so left field in this.

But damn if you didn't just speak what I have felt since riding the V9 Bobber Sport and the 850 V7.

I agree.

I agree so much I recently considered seeing if a dealer would take my RK in trade for a new leftover BS.

Yeah that Bobber sport is very interesting
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2022, 07:46:58 AM »
Yes!
What a transformation!
Further than what I might go but very nice.
Wanna trade CrashCraddock?!

Anyway, it’s what others have already said about the V9;
TORQUE low down and
wonderful line all the way to rev limiter
feels like a big block Guzzi oh, and
better gas mileage to boot!
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2022, 07:49:08 AM »
p.s. For my V9’s anyway, no throttle stumble. I did the fix for the V7-850 as recommended here but still a stumble.
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2022, 08:18:45 AM »
In case you missed it in the V7 850 thread, this may be the cure for your stumble:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2022/MC-10211301-0001.pdf

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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2022, 09:23:47 AM »
Thanks Sarah!
Hopefully Cadre did this before I received it.
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2022, 09:55:09 AM »
OK, lots of personal testimonials to how the V9 motor feels.... But is there a technical difference between it and the motor in the V7 850?
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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2022, 09:59:29 AM »
OK, lots of personal testimonials to how the V9 motor feels.... But is there a technical difference between it and the motor in the V7 850?

I haven't poured through the parts books yet, but I SUSPECT there WAS as difference.

Remember the V9's we're talking about were NOT EU5 compliant, they were the earlier 2017-2020 EU4 models.

Just based on THAT alone (and having ridden both) I suspect there is at the least a tuning/mapping difference between them and the current V7 850.

I haven't ridden a current EU5 V9, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it now shared the tuning and felt the same as the V7 850.

But if someone has the inclination to pour through the parts books I'd be interested to hear the results.
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2022, 10:07:59 AM »
I’ve never ridden a V9 in any configuration.
But from what I hear, they are punchier although less outright power than the V85. What I can say, is that if the V85 was released with the V9 motor for correspondingly less $$$, I certainly would have tested one before getting the ‘85.

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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2022, 10:12:30 AM »
Yes Kev m and Huzo
The V9 E4 motor comes on with most of it’s torque at 3k and is flat, big difference imho and seat dyno.
V85 and V7-850 come at 5k
V9 E4 weighs less as well
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2022, 10:54:09 AM »

Af1 has separate parts books for the 2016-2020 Roamer, Bobber, and Bobber Sport, plus a fourth parts book for the 2021-22 Eu5 V9


2019 Bobber Sport: https://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st3/gu184.pdf

2021-22 EU5 V9: https://www.af1racing.com/ProdImages/st3/gu403.pdf


Different part numbers on:

* Throttle body
* Heads and valves (some common parts, mostly gaskets)
* Camshaft (rocker arms have same numbers)
* Cylinder, piston, piston pins
* Different Cranks - Bobber Sport uses the bolted rods, the other uses the Pressed Crank.
* Different transmission #


EU 5 Stone: https://www.af1racing.com/ProdImages/st3/GU214.pdf

compared to EU 5 V9

* ALMOST same part number for whole engine
* Different crankcase numbers
* Different Throttle Body #
* Different Camshaft #
* ALMOST same part number on cylinder/piston



So draw your own conclusions.
* Same crankshafts
* ALMOST same transmission number
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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2022, 11:36:21 AM »
I see the Roamers as closer to a Nevada than the V7 series in frame geometry

But with a naturally larger newer motor and a beefy-er suspension

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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2022, 12:31:29 PM »
The Nevada and V7C frames were different? Like in important ways?

Heck are the V7 and V9 frames really different now too?

(Guess I'll have to go back and look at that next lol).
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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2022, 12:57:45 PM »
Good stuff, thanks for the research Kev m.
I of course am focused on the V9 E4
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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2022, 01:45:12 PM »
Thanks Sarah!
Hopefully Cadre did this before I received it.
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I can't remember when you bought your bike, but bear in mind the TSB was just released mid-April 2022.

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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2022, 01:52:08 PM »
Ok call me crazy but I’ve been thinking about a Roamer, again.  :shocked:
I know but that motor just haunts me, I dunno, whatever.

Anyhoo, I’ve seen some with a V7 fuel tank and liked the look.
Now I’m wondering if anyone has put an 18” front tire on one?
Any other mods?

I know it would cost a few pesos but they can be had for pretty reasonable $’s right now.

Whatcha’ think?
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Wouldn't it be easier to buy a V7-850 and put Roamer seat and rear fender on the bike?





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Re: Modified Roamer.........anyone?
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2022, 01:59:37 PM »
Wouldn't it be easier to buy a V7-850 and put Roamer seat and rear fender on the bike?







But that completely misses the point of the "superior" (feel and arguably design) of the E4 V9 motor.
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