Bezzi / Barr Photoshop Phantasy Pthreadfest

[oldbike54]

 Good grief Mike , how did you remember this thread ? Funny , some of the posters on this have left , and about that many again have changed their screen names . Can you guess who
Biking Sailor is now ?

 Dusty

[rocker59]

Good grief Mike , how did you remember this thread ? 

 Dusty

It's why I'm paid the big bucks...   

[oldbike54]

It's why I'm paid the big bucks...   

 Are we getting a raise this year ?

 Dusty

[Muzz]

  many again have changed their screen names . Can you guess who
Biking Sailor is now ?

 Dusty

So..........

Don't hold us in suspenders.

[Nic in Western NYS]

"Obviously my capacity for amazement is lacking. It's just another photoshop turd that's been rolled in glitter."

Who alone among us could have written that?

[Sheepdog]

I'm normally not a function-follows-form guy, but what's with the droopy headlights on standard bikes? The newer R1200R is probably BMW's best naked roadster yet, but that awful-looking headlight ruins it for me...and that is just one example. I know that it's more aerodynamic and that a lower headlight throws a larger beam on the road, but this will take some getting used to.

[rocker59]

I'm normally not a function-follows-form guy, but what's with the droopy headlights on standard bikes? The newer R1200R is probably BMW's best naked roadster yet, but that awful-looking headlight ruins it for me...and that is just one example. I know that it's more aerodynamic and that a lower headlight throws a larger beam on the road, but this will take some getting used to.

Ducati Monsters' headlights have been "melted" abominations for years, now.

[oldbike54]

So..........

Don't hold us in suspenders.

  He just started a thread about the Texas Hill country .

 Dusty

[Muzz]

So, did Darren's boat sink?

[oldbike54]

So, did Darren's boat sink?

 He just got tired of waxing it 

 Dusty

[Mal Wright]

Dusty, I want what you and Vasco are smokin' :)

I suggested 75hp because it would make a dream bike. A push for sure, but doable. The standard bike makes 50.

And Pete I am still agreeing with you. I doubt very much that it could be done with the standard heads, or two piece valves that broke in the first few hundred kays, or with poor oil flow or whatever else ailed the old models. But with some good design it *could* be done. Think about it this way, do you think Honda could make 75hp out of an 800cc air/oil cooled twin?

So I guess your comments are more about what Moto Guzzi are capable of doing than how unrealistic my suggestions are. What I am suggesting is what I see is needed to make a niche bike. A platform to build on.

Perhaps the fairy dust is in peoples eyes blocking their vision...

http://archive.guzzitech.com/photos/Charlie1.jpg

Someone found some fairy dust.

[pete roper]

Still not seeing it. And I'll take anything spruiked Bt the 'Clan' with a huge bucket of salt.

[oldbike54]

Still not seeing it. And I'll take anything spruiked Bt the 'Clan' with a huge bucket of salt.

 No dyno chart , no real world performance testing , and the 100 HP per liter figure with a flat enough torque curve to work on the street using two valve heads with pushrods in a twin cylinder design is not an easy feat . Guessing it can be done , maybe , but until we see real verifiable figures backed by testing , I remain skeptical .

 Dusty

[Bobic69]

Saw this on Instagram. No idea where it came from - probably just a mock up someone did but looks great to me. Hopefully it's what Guzzi will do with the new motor.

[pete roper]

Hopefully not.

[Huzo]

I just hope they build stuff they can sell.
Develop a (broader) customer base, listen to them, then go that way (where possible).

[Cam3512]

Continue with a new V85 Norge for those who like a lot of plastic protection, then a sporty LeMans version.  That should about cover everyone's taste.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Hopefully not.

yer such a turd pete, what's your issue with this one? 

edited to say: Yes, I know it's just a photoshop fantasy, but the suspension has been at least brought into the current century (one of your complaints with the V7) and tho it's 'sporty' it isn't tarted up with lots of fake racer cosmetic showmanship. It has the most modern engine that guzzi makes.... 

[pete roper]

yer such a turd pete, what's your issue with this one? 

edited to say: Yes, I know it's just a photoshop fantasy, but the suspension has been at least brought into the current century (one of your complaints with the V7) and tho it's 'sporty' it isn't tarted up with lots of fake racer cosmetic showmanship. It has the most modern engine that guzzi makes....

It is a motive unit based on the V9/V7III platform, it's suspension appears to be still a twin shock item, not even the inadequate cantilever system on the V85.

Apart from that it is another tiresome homage to the aesthetic ideals of forty years ago! Now you lot may be quite happy 'Groundhog Day'-ing your long lost youths and shouting at anything new as the work of the devil but I would prefer to see a company with the illustrious history of Guzzi continuing to break new ground and challenge the orthodoxy of current norms. That piece of photoshopped shite does neither.

I know I'm in a minority here saying that but just because you don't agree with me doesn't make my views invalid. Argue the toss or simply ignore me. Either is fine, but don't expect me to roll over and shriek hysterically because something 'New' looks like a tired old hacked up image of something from a lifetime ago!

Bollocks!

[JohninVT]

I'm ok with an homage in the lineup as long as they also have a more modern model line.  It's similar to how they're doing business currently except the big blocks are long in the tooth and from what I've heard, the big blocks are going away.  Personally, I think the V7's are beautiful and for some reason I just hate the V9's.  There's something "off" visually with them, imho.  Using the V85 engine as a base for an homage(and maybe an 850 Norge) seems like good business to me.  Motorcycle demographics have aged considerably over the last decade and 50 year old guys have the expendable income to buy motorcycles.  Most of the buyers for an homage would be in the 50-60's since they'd be the majority of riders who understand the history of one. 

I dunno if it is or not but the pic looks like another Luca Bar vaporware design.  Having said that, I think it's good looking and I'd buy one if it had similar spec's as the V85TT.       

[JJ]

How about this vintage beauty? - - 1980 CX-1000 Le Mans





https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Moto-Guzzi-Lemans-1000/192972731963?_trkparms=aid%3D777001%26algo%3DDISCO.FEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160801204525%26meid%3D06850dcc11ab4dcf975024ce0cfc634c%26pid%3D100651%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26%26itm%3D192972731963&_trksid=p2481888.c100651.m4497&_trkparms=pageci%3A1a2b5a3b-a251-11e9-a8e6-74dbd1803149%7Cparentrq%3Ad703db2716b0aad90511fed6ffa8f2e2%7Ciid%3A1

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

It is a motive unit based on the V9/V7III platform, it's suspension appears to be still a twin shock item, not even the inadequate cantilever system on the V85.

Apart from that it is another tiresome homage to the aesthetic ideals of forty years ago! Now you lot may be quite happy 'Groundhog Day'-ing your long lost youths and shouting at anything new as the work of the devil but I would prefer to see a company with the illustrious history of Guzzi continuing to break new ground and challenge the orthodoxy of current norms. That piece of photoshopped shite does neither.

I know I'm in a minority here saying that but just because you don't agree with me doesn't make my views invalid. Argue the toss or simply ignore me. Either is fine, but don't expect me to roll over and shriek hysterically because something 'New' looks like a tired old hacked up image of something from a lifetime ago!

Bollocks!

I only see one shock, thought it was the V85 platform.

As for homage to the past, am I mistaken in thinking the V7 outsells any bike guzzi has made in the last 25 years tenfold? give the people what they want. Sure, Guzzi has 'broken new ground' in like 1972.... When was the last time they made something new that was class-leading fast? Never as far as I know. No one buys a guzzi because its the fastest or most cutting edge in it's segment, because they never have been?
The most groundbreaking new thinking they have had in the last 35years  for sporting bikes was designed by a dentist.

[Tom]

Moto Guzzi wouldn't build a cafe bike aka sport bike.  That's Aprilia territory.  That would be similar to Aprilia putting out a Dual purpose bike.

[rocker59]

Moto Guzzi wouldn't build a cafe bike aka sport bike.  That's Aprilia territory.  That would be similar to Aprilia putting out a Dual purpose bike.

And they'd never put out a bike called Caponord.

[Tom]

Missed that one.    Are they still putting that one out?  Is it a current bike?

[rocker59]

Missed that one.    Are they still putting that one out?  Is it a current bike?

They've built a  couple versions.  The pictured 1200 version was produced 2013-2016.  They also built a 1000 version back in 2001-2004.

[Tom]

So they have in their line-up the Dosoduro & a moped scooter.  Looks like the divisions can do what they want.  I retract my statement and was wrong.  Seems Vespa & Piaggio are making scooters too.  I guess Moto Guzzi could try and make a go fast motorcycle for sale. (at least in looks)

[Travlr]

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/365842/moto-guzzi-v85tt-renders-street/

[TimmyTheHog]

it's all rendering and wish list until I see the real thing...

I do like to see a baby LeMan style tho...that would be a fun one to own.

[rocker59]

it's all rendering 

It's all rendering by a guy with no connection to Piaggio/Guzzi.

Same as the doodles on my legal pad, here at work...  Just doodles...