"Super" Lario/LM1 SB clone build w/Bubs music

[Unkept]

Are you sure you just didn't shorten the fuse and made a hotter grenade?  ;)  ;D

I kid, I kid... mostly. I hope you can have many happy miles on your hot rod Lario mill.

-Joe

[kevdog3019]

Are you sure you just didn't shorten the fuse and made a hotter grenade?  ;)  ;D

I kid, I kid... mostly. I hope you can have many happy miles on your hot rod Lario mill.

-Joe

I sure hope that's not the case Joe. This is like a new bike inside except it's got some better components where it counts. Doesn't mean it's fool-proof, but logically it should hold together. Reliability was the other big aspect of the build.
Kevin

[Chuck in Indiana]

Time will tell..
 ;D

[kevdog3019]

Fairing is mounted and very solid.  Looking forward to seeing what it does. ;-T
-K

[Penderic]

Nice improvement!  ;-T

[IceBlue]

Time will tell..
 ;D

I haven't heard of any blowups yet with softer springs and non stock, or even newer stock valves - but yeah Chuck - time will tell. I hope this year I'll have the oppotunity to do a long haul of like 2 x 400km (2 x 250 miles) over like a weekend. Not earth shaking, but it will add a chapter to the tale.

I think we need perhaps 20.000 to 30.000 miles to have an indication. Stock Lario's/V75-4/Imola II's blew as early as 1.000 miles, and as late as 20.000 miles. Cam lobes and followers were essentially gone by then, if not already blown, either by a valve/seat drop, cracked follower or snapped push rod  ;D

Ciao

[Madkoffe]

Oh, that dash is so great, where did you buy it?

[Chuck in Indiana]

to do a long haul of like 2 x 400km (2 x 250 miles) over like a weekend.

I've done that a couple of times with your valves.. With Dorcia on the back.  ;D
So far, so good.. but I still don't have any *real* mileage on it. You don't rack up miles unless you're going somewhere, and I don't have bags on it..yet. ;) Maybe a 'Jammer, too.  :o ;D

[wrbix]

I've done that a couple of times with your valves.. With Dorcia on the back.  ;D
So far, so good.. but I still don't have any *real* mileage on it. You don't rack up miles unless you're going somewhere, and I don't have bags on it..yet. ;) Maybe a 'Jammer, too.  :o ;D

'Jammer would certainly personalize it. ::) ~;

[kevdog3019]

Oh, that dash is so great, where did you buy it?

The dash I got at MG Cycle and it is simple and neat as well as solid. The fairing report on my open slab ride with wind is  ;-T. The air hits my helmet and nothing below. The shape of the screen makes it roll off in a smooth fashion. I'm not feeling much on my shoulders and think part of this may be because I've got it sitting out front quite a ways. Couldn't a be happier and effectiveness is similar to the stock fairing for me.
Kevin

[kevdog3019]

'Jammer would certainly personalize it. ::) ~;

Oh my... a Jammer??  :o  Just say "NO"!

[kevdog3019]

After all the riding recently, I have given some thought to characteristics between it and my stock Lario.  The 16" wheels that I thought better than to give up in this build I'm so glad I kept.  The feeling of wallowing a bit in the curves I chalked up to the flimsy suspension.  In the back of my mind I also wondered if it was partly due to the 16" wheels.  I can say definitively it's not the wheels.  On the flat slab at high speed and in the curves, this thing is as solid as they come.  I've got the Marzzochi's on the front with a stabilizer and it's rock solid and much smoother over washboard roads.  Hey... it's like a modern motorcycle!  I also dropped the front more than an inch through the triples and raised the rear 10mm from stock and the sump is now level with the ground.  I didn't know what to expect by this large of a drop, but there is no twitchiness whatsoever like you might expect.  I know I said this before, but the bike feels longer and more stable.  Maybe it's partly due to how solid this front end has become as well.  My biggest come away and suggestion to the Lario owners is to get some decent forks on this thing as well as a dual-pot Brembo up front (leave the single linked to make it easy unless you want that balanced look).  There is no MC change for the dual pot on the right hand, there is for the linked.  The hand works super, the linked not that much better than stock IMHO.
My two pennies.
-Kevin

[IceBlue]

I've done that a couple of times with your valves.. With Dorcia on the back.  ;D
So far, so good.. but I still don't have any *real* mileage on it. You don't rack up miles unless you're going somewhere, and I don't have bags on it..yet. ;) Maybe a 'Jammer, too.  :o ;D

 :D A jammer will make it unique for sure Chuck, I have seen Lario's with bags, they looked quite OK - trips like that are helpting our Lario projects a lot. Having a "passenger" is adding to the proof of concept :) We just need to rack up the miles now  :bike ;-T

[Chuck in Indiana]

 :D A jammer will make it unique for sure Chuck, I have seen Lario's with bags, they looked quite OK - trips like that are helpting our Lario projects a lot. Having a "passenger" is adding to the proof of concept :) We just need to rack up the miles now  :bike ;-T

I've actually been looking for bags, but haven't seen any I particularly liked. Any suggestions?

[IceBlue]

I've actually been looking for bags, but haven't seen any I particularly liked. Any suggestions?

This is the latest brazes I've seen. Not sure if it's still obtainable. What bags would fit, I'm not sure, but I assume some standard H&B.

http://www.stein-dinse.biz/Moto-Guzzi/Koffer-Traeger/Koffertraeger/MG-Kompletttraeger-HB-V65-Lario-schwarz::109756.html

[kevdog3019]

 :D A jammer will make it unique for sure Chuck, I have seen Lario's with bags, they looked quite OK - trips like that are helpting our Lario projects a lot. Having a "passenger" is adding to the proof of concept :) We just need to rack up the miles now  :bike ;-T

Proving something is the easy part. Selling the concept is another.

[kevdog3019]

Been at it pretty good with getting this thing running as I want it to run.  It's tame yet pulls brutally.  ;-T  Finally getting back around to the cosmetics again.  Summers are for riding, right?   Been thinking about this seat thing and decided to go the route of a LM where the seat fits over the rear of the tank.  Will cover up the unsightly Lario rear of the tank that there's no denying has no place on this cafe bike.  Just a start, but cut and bent the seat to fit the contour of the raised tank and I think it turned out as good as expected.  Next will be a alu flashing at the front that will mimic the blacked-out portion of the tank, as well as rear cowl, then re-upholster.  

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

 ;-T ;-T ;-T

looks good, keep it going!

is your re-covered seat going to be a cafe solo? or a gunfighter or what

[kevdog3019]

;-T ;-T ;-T

looks good, keep it going!

is your re-covered seat going to be a cafe solo? or a gunfighter or what

I guess I don't know what I'd call it.  Mostly cafe solo.  From the pic, I'm leaving the shape of the front as is (flows down with the tank), but where it swoops up behind the drivers bum, I will continue this up into a cafe hump or cowl all the way to the rear.  The only thing will be the extra flashing at the front of the current seat at the front to cover over the tank like the LM bikes of old.  Will do different stitching's or seat material to bring out the shape.

[tusong200]

That is looking very kool!!

Refresh my memory if it was already noted...What silencers are those??

[kevdog3019]

That is looking very kool!!

Refresh my memory if it was already noted...What silencers are those??

Thanks man!  These are Bubs. I'm diggin' the note they produce.   ;-T

[tusong200]

Darn!! No longer available new, are they??

I had Bubs on my Monza and loved 'em!! They sounded great but I had to repack 'em about once a month. Once the packing is blown out they're basically straight pipes....Very angry neighbors.

Still I'd love to find a used set.

Were those specifically sold for Lario or are they 'generic'?

[kevdog3019]

Darn!! No longer available new, are they??

I had Bubs on my Monza and loved 'em!! They sounded great but I had to repack 'em about once a month. Once the packing is blown out they're basically straight pipes....Very angry neighbors.

Still I'd love to find a used set.

Were those specifically sold for Lario or are they 'generic'?

Sure seem like they're specific to the Lario as they fit perfectly with the mounts and all.  Will find a solution to the "extra" bells myself with these, but the note is a good one, just a bit loud for the long haul. These are baffled, but not much.  Not raw sounding.  Ed put them on.  Not available from what I hear.
-K

[kevdog3019]

Seat started last night.  Cowl in place.  Shaping was done to try match with what's going on up front with the downward slope.  Have to work with that.  


Can't really see it in the pic but the shape of the cowl I tried to match with the tanks flat top as well as width.  Hard to see the line in the pic but it tapers up at the top and width is eqal to about what the tank back going into the seat is.  The sides of the cowl I tried to match with the tank sides to a degree.  A little mirroring.

[Unkept]

Are you going to fill in the gap between the tank and the seat? It bothers my eye.  :D

If I were helping, I'd add to the seat so it comes up to the tank and leaves no gap between the frame, tank, and seat...

I like your grips and fairing choice. This will be a unique Guzzi.

[kevdog3019]

Are you going to fill in the gap between the tank and the seat? It bothers my eye.  :D

If I were helping, I'd add to the seat so it comes up to the tank and leaves no gap between the frame, tank, and seat...

I like your grips and fairing choice. This will be a unique Guzzi.

Yes, where you see the blacked off portion on the tank (where it meets the seat), that will have flashing that comes down off the seat pan and will be upholstered over like on an older LM.  In other words the rear of the tank will be covered over by the seat.  I blacked that tank portion off for my eye to see what "will be".  Yes... it looks ridiculous as is I agree.
BTW... I will be raising the tail lights up into the space under the seat which will get my plate up a bit as well.

[racasey]

Hi Kevin, I have been reading your article with much enjoyment.  I may have overlooked a few bits and would appreciate some clarification.  Did you lighten the flywheel?

Ciao,
Dick

[kevdog3019]

Hi Kevin, I have been reading your article with much enjoyment.  I may have overlooked a few bits and would appreciate some clarification.  Did you lighten the flywheel?

Ciao,
Dick

Yes, lightened flywheel and rods. It spins up very nicely.

[kevdog3019]

Ok... imagine this as the alu flashing.  It will be upholstered over in black.




A little easier to see the definition in the seat cowl now.  Seems will be where lines are drawn.  It will be pleated in the bum area as shown up the front of the cowl but not the back side.

[RinkRat II]

 ;-T Coming right along nicely kevdog, If there is some way to incorporate the knee reliefs from the tank into the rear sides of the seat cowl  I think it would bring it all together. Besides what the hell do I know?? :BEER:

   Paul