2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest

[Vasco DG]

Now if they take that motive package, couple it with a reactive rear end and put it in a mini Stelvio I'll be all over it like a rash!!! 8)

Pete

[not-fishing]

This is good news.

Good news for me as the used price in old V7's will drop as people sell them to get the newfangled V7's.  I have lust for an older V7 to convert to a Scrambler

Still I wonder if the "traction control" is not just one more thing to go wrong?  As in water in a sensor wire connection - sound familiar?

[Dogwalker]

http://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-v7-ii-arrivano-l-abs-e-il-controllo-di-trazione-moto-59770

"Tenendo a precisare che il grosso delle novità sarà presentato a Eicma (6-9 novembre), Moto Guzzi anticipa i tempi regalandoci un’anteprima delle moto 2015 che invece debutteranno a Colonia"

Pointing out that the bulk of the novelities will be still presented at EICMA (6-9 November), Moto Guzzi, in Cologne, is giving us a preview of the bike that will debut in 2015.

[Chuck in Indiana]

This is good news.

Good news for me as the used price in old V7's will drop as people sell them to get the newfangled V7's.  I have lust for an older V7 to convert to a Scrambler

Still I wonder if the "traction control" is not just one more thing to go wrong?  As in water in a sensor wire connection - sound familiar?

All the electrical gim crackery is just something to go wrong that I can't fix. <snapping suspenders> And.. unless you have a very good Guzzi dealer, he won't be able to fix it either. The only problems I had with the Norge were the stupid ABS brakes and computerized dash. No thanks. <tamping corncob pipe>

[Dogwalker]

Gearbox comparison. Above the old one, in the middle the new one, below that of the California 1400.







http://www.omnimoto.it/mwpImages/photogallery/2012/5172/photos1280/moto-guzzi-v7-gamma-2012-motore_14.jpg
http://www.motociclismo.it/cache/gallery/1/1/5/65/02_MotoGuzzi_V7II_Stone.jpg_2000.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-V4T3LbhP6nY/UWFiLPK018I/AAAAAAAAqwE/WdqbZcvp8XQ/s640/California+1400+Engine+2013+04.jpg

DogW

[drlapo]

the value of my 13 V7 special just went up as folks will now want one of the older, simpler and therefore more reliable models

[jas67]

Gearbox comparison. Above the old one, in the middle the new one, below that of the California 1400.

Uh, both the V7 ones look the same to me.

the value of my 13 V7 special just went up as folks will now want one of the older, simpler and therefore more reliable models

I'll take $15k for my 2013 Racer.    ;)

This is the very desirable, uber-reliable pre-ABS, pre Traction Control model.
It also has desirable modifications, such as V7 Stone cast alloy wheels w/ tubeless tires, and a sump extender.    ;-T

[Dogwalker]

Uh, both the V7 ones look the same to me.

the new one is more extended in height. Above, you can see the old one is as high than the solenoid. The new one is higher. Below, the new one goes much further down in respect than the starter engine.

[roadscum]

the value of my 13 V7 special just went up as folks will now want one of the older, simpler and therefore more reliable models

Sadly, that's not how it works..  ::)

Improvements of this scope for Moto Guzzi are not evolutionary, they are revolutionary!   ;-T
I hope they step up and improve the suspension as well.

Can someone explain the "engine rotated forward" thing, I'm not getting it???

Paul

[Phang]

the new one is more extended in height. Above, you can see the old one is as high than the solenoid. The new one is higher. Below, the new one goes much further down in respect than the starter engine.

I think that difference is due to the parallax error from different camera heights.

The old engine photo shot with camera at the same height and square to the engine.

The new bike photo took from a higher camera position, about the same height as the Aquila on the fuel tank. You can see the top side of the swing arm all the way to the right from this angle.

[Dogwalker]

I think that difference is due to the parallax error from different camera heights.

From the same angle, the gearbox still seems higher.

[Phang]

Can someone explain the "engine rotated forward" thing, I'm not getting it???

Paul

Take a look at the photos above  ;D

[Phang]

From the same angle, the gearbox still seems higher.

Thanks for posting the comparison photos, the new gearbox sure looks beefier comparing to the old one  ;-T

[Kev m]

All the electrical gim crackery is just something to go wrong that I can't fix. <snapping suspenders> And.. unless you have a very good Guzzi dealer, he won't be able to fix it either. The only problems I had with the Norge were the stupid ABS brakes and computerized dash. No thanks. <tamping corncob pipe>

Though the Breva/Norge/Griso dashes have me spooked too, it's not like you DON'T have the electrical gim crackery on ANYTHING built today just in the form of the EFI system soooooooooooo... <shrugs>.

[Unkept]

I see how they leveled out the engine when you look at the sump alignment to the lower frame rails.

So my wondering is how they received the roughly 1 inch height drop. Probably now that the sump is leveled out and further from the ground they lowered the frame via suspension tweaks?

Regardless, I'm very much in agreement that these changes are on the edge of revolutionary for Guzzi standards. Much like the Carc bikes after the spine frames.

My hope would be along the lines of what Pete said, a mini Stelvio and other models arising using the new transmission and engine designs.

I'd also imagine they would have greatly improved the strength of the transmission... so a new more powerful SB engine top end would probably work great as well.

Love me some Guzzi news.

[Kev m]

From the same angle, the gearbox still seems higher.

Assuming the angles of the photos are about the same, the rotation of the engine jumps out at me.

And what never looked odd to me before on the old one, does somewhat now.

Not that I love mine any less.

Think I'll go ride it!

[bpreynolds]

So I love the V7s, okay?  Have almost purchased one on many occasions.  It's a great ride and I personally don't necessarily feel like it needs more power  :beat_horse and such.  But.  I just dunno what to think about this.  Solve or amend the idle issue, yes please.  But traction control and abs in THIS bike is needed or desired?  In a market segment where 2 of the biggest complaints/gripes, valid or not, seem to be "down on power" and price versus the Bonnie?  I mean, I assume these new gadgets are gonna drive the price up, right?  Help me out here, I think it's just my own personal preferences talking maybe.

[jas67]

Assuming the angles of the photos are about the same, the rotation of the engine jumps out at me.

Those pics definitely make it very obvious.   If you look at any BMW Airhead, the engine and transmission are at about the same angle.
I assume this is to align the drive shaft with the the output shaft of the transmission.

So, this begs a few questions.   Does M.G. use a CV (constant velocity) joint or U-joint where the drive shaft connects to the transmission.  Operating a U-joint at an angle introduces a torsional vibration in the driveshaft.    If there are two U-joints, at equal and opposite angles, i.e., the final shaft is at the same angle as the input shaft, then this cancels out in the two U-joints.     A CARC or Paralever system would be able to deal with this.

Do we have any pictures that show the (new) rear drive in detail?

I'm going to assume that they're not going to put CARC on it for cost reasons.

[Kev m]

So I love the V7s, okay?  Have almost purchased one on many occasions.  It's a great ride and I personally don't necessarily feel like it needs more power  :beat_horse and such.  But.  I just dunno what to think about this.  Solve or amend the idle issue, yes please.  But traction control and abs in THIS bike is needed or desired?  In a market segment where 2 of the biggest complaints/gripes, valid or not, seem to be "down on power" and price versus the Bonnie?  I mean, I assume these new gadgets are gonna drive the price up, right?  Help me out here, I think it's just my own personal preferences talking maybe.

Dude, even the Sportster offers ABS now.

ABS was obviously added because it is soon REQUIRED... and the TC could just go along with the tech. As long as you already have something to monitor wheel speed/slippage, you can easily add that too. Especially if you have a RBW or modified RBW system.

[tonUPRacer]

Those comparison photos really show the change. I wonder if handling is improved at all? I think its kindof funny to have traction control on a 50hp bike, but I guess its what folks expect in a modern bike. I won't be trading in my '13 for a '15.

[Cheese]

Appears the lower frame rails are different. Not sure if CV joints can operate at the speeds needed for the driveshaft.

[Penderic]

Lowered swingarm pivot position?

Compare with the front axle position....

More space visible between swingarm and the side panel frame too.

[cruzziguzzi]

Semi-kinda-sorta-maybe drive-ride by wire, control this and anti that...

Guess that locks up the period of nuevo V-7s in my future:

Single throttle, tanks sorted, no skill crutches installed.

Not for me, I and those like me fear that which is new and unusual. It's all a conspiracy so that the TSA, DHS or FEMA can control my movements.

I'd like to get more into it but I have a dermatologist appointment to address the irritations from the ti-foil between my scalp and helmet liners.

[Dogwalker]

Lowered swingarm pivot position?

Infact. That's possible cause the junction between the gearbox and the driveshaft is lowered in the new gearbox.
You can see that, in the old V7, the swingarm pivot is above the junction line of the two half-blocks of the engine (that you can see under the cylinder), in the new one is below that line.

[bpreynolds]

Dude, even the Sportster offers ABS now.

ABS was obviously added because it is soon REQUIRED... and the TC could just go along with the tech. As long as you already have something to monitor wheel speed/slippage, you can easily add that too. Especially if you have a RBW or modified RBW system.

Well again, thanks for pointing that out.  True, I suppose.  And, I guess at least some of the folks are new riders or somewhat new and probably could use the abs as much or more than experienced riders on super fast machines.  Again, as I said, I guess I was thinking more of my own personal preferences.

[jas67]

Semi-kinda-sorta-maybe drive-ride by wire, control this and anti that...

Guess that locks up the period of nuevo V-7s in my future:

Single throttle, tanks sorted, no skill crutches installed.

Based on recent history, I'm going to guess that the U.S.-bound 2015 bikes are the same as the 2014 bikes and that we get the V7 II for the 2016 model year.

ABS is being added due to an E.U. requirement.   The U.S. doesn't require it yet.

[sib]

I'm interested in what the weight will be.  The ABS/TC will probably add very little weight, but the beefier wet alternator and especially the 6 speed tranny could add significantly.

Looking at the side view comparison, the V7 II engine looks level while the engine of the '13-'14 V7 Stone looks like it's pointing slightly upward toward the front.  I somehow never noticed that on mine.

[rocker59]

Semi-kinda-sorta-maybe drive-ride by wire, control this and anti that...

Guess that locks up the period of nuevo V-7s in my future:

Single throttle, tanks sorted, no skill crutches installed.

Not for me, I and those like me fear that which is new and unusual. It's all a conspiracy so that the TSA, DHS or FEMA can control my movements.

I'd like to get more into it but I have a dermatologist appointment to address the irritations from the ti-foil between my scalp and helmet liners.

You can thank the EU for mandatory ABS.

[roadscum]

 :winer

Take a look at the photos above  ;D

Ahhhh, now it get it, and I like what I see.

Paul

[Penderic]

I'm interested in what the weight will be.  The ABS/TC will probably add very little weight, but the beefier wet alternator and especially the 6 speed tranny could add significantly.

The lack of passenger grab rails lighten it a bit.  ;)