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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: 89-300ce on June 02, 2015, 08:08:51 AM
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I find myself drawn toward a California. Currently gave a Goldwing and a VFR and would like to split the difference with something comfortable for 2-up and still able to handle. I understand that the CalVin's have "Breva 1100 internals"? What specifically does this entail and is it viewed as a net positive? Does this effect the character of the engine?
I live in the Canadian MidWest and have not so much as heard a Guzzi "live" so a purchase will involve travel and a fair bit of faith.
Jorg
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Cal Vin engine is a net positive.
Only downer, for me, on a Cal Vin is the tube-type wheels. However, EV tubeless wheels can be retrofitted.
Good, solid bikes.
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It basically means the Cal-Vin makes a tad more power.
They run a slightly newer design camshaft, piston, valve train and I believe dual plug heads.
I suspect it is net positive, though I never had a single complaint with how my older California Jackal (with an even more basic EFI system) ran.
I bet most people around here are going to say it doesn't really matter, and buy the one you like more.
The EV may had tubeless wheels, the Cal-Vin won't.
Me, I'd still probably lean towards the Cal-Vin --- I just think they look better than the EV and I loved my B11 so any minor similarities in engine character would be welcome.
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Are passenger accommodations similar? The Cal-Vin seat looks shorter front to back and doesn't have the back rest. The wife likes the Goldwing and despises the VFR.
From scouring every California video on YouTube it sounds like the EV's (other than hydro's) have significantly more tappet noise than the Vintage. Does this seem correct and if so is it a result of the different valve train?
Jorg
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The Cal-Vin has a better factory seat. IMHO.
But honestly, if you're planning on a lot of miles, and keeping a passenger happy, you'll probably want something from Corbin or Russell, or one of the other seat makers.
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I haven't decided yet but for the EV's I was thinking 03-04 for the hydraulic valves. I would hope all issues associated with the lifters would have been resolved at this time.
Jorg
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I've got two EV's with over 150000 between and I love these bikes. All I can say is to go check out and ride the 1400 Touring. A much better motorcycle, although heavier hands down.
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I've got two EV's with over 150000 between and I love these bikes. All I can say is to go check out and ride the 1400 Touring. A much better motorcycle, although heavier hands down.
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One of the reasons I'm looking at the 1100's is their weight.
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as far as 2-up touring goes, I have it on great authority from a number of pillions that the calvin is extremely comfortable for the passenger..
great bike, really really great tourer. unless you want to ride the snot out of it (ie using all the rev range) in which case the stock fueling and ignition let it down severely in my opinion.
But if you do end up with one and feel the same way just PM me and I'll send you a much better map (about two years of tweaking!)
The only time I rode a sorted hydro EV it ran strong and smooth and felt like it fueled better, apart from that there wasn't much difference from the calvin..
and yes the 1400 has a beautiful motor, but ergonomically I find it pretty questionable..
Hope this helps
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The '02 EV's are just about bullet proof.
Dean
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I live in the Canadian MidWest and have not so much as heard a Guzzi "live" so a purchase will involve travel and a fair bit of faith.
Jorg
how far is that from Minneapolis?
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/mcy/5054042461.html
I don't know owner or bike. looks like the seat is redone or aftermarket.
then this, I don't know it either,
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/mcy/5007853468.html
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how far is that from Minneapolis?
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/mcy/5054042461.html
I don't know owner or bike. looks like the seat is redone or aftermarket.
then this, I don't know it either,
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/mcy/5007853468.html
I'm in Winnipeg so that's 8hrs each way.
http://www.themotocycleshop.com/moto_guzzi/mg_used/1998_California_V11_EV/1998_California_V11_EV.htm
This one is from a dealer in S. Dakota, about 5hrs. each way.
I guess I like the looks of the EV 03-04 Touring the best. That fairing is funky but it grows on me.
Jorg
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well if theres anything I can do for you in Mpls let me know.
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I've done a great deal of touring on my Vintage...it's wonderful. I've never ridden an EV, but my Calvin pulls well at lowish RPMs...a trait that older Guzzis are reputedly a bit short on. It required some personalization, but mine is a slick-handling mile muncher. It's pretty light (within it's genre) and the brakes are first-rate. I consider it the best bike I've owned in 45 years of riding. Highly recommended...here's mine:
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c229/JamesBagley/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-02/B473AA76-0F3C-4361-942F-1A890C79BF44.jpg) (http://s28.photobucket.com/user/JamesBagley/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-02/B473AA76-0F3C-4361-942F-1A890C79BF44.jpg.html)
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Here's one in Duluth. No connection to me. Just passing it on.
http://duluth.craigslist.org/mcy/4985995007.html
Mike E.
Lisle IL.
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I have never had a guzzi with 2 valve heads that pulled as well down low as my CalVin. The motor, which has long stroke and long rods, is super sweet... Now the California 1400 was a different story, but the CalVin motor is certainly the best 2 valver I ever rode. Most 2V guzzis like to run at 3500. The CalVin is happy all the way down to 2000, which is good because it is geared stupid tall.
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I've done a great deal of touring on my Vintage...it's wonderful. I've never ridden an EV, but my Calvin pulls well at lowish RPMs...a trait that older Guzzis are reputedly a bit short on. It required some personalization, but mine is a slick-handling mile muncher. It's pretty light (within it's genre) and the brakes are first-rate. I consider it the best bike I've owned in 45 years of riding. Highly recommended...here's mine:
High praise indeed. As someone who also has four+ decades of riding I can appreciate and value your opinion.
Jorg
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Here's one in Duluth. No connection to me. Just passing it on.
http://duluth.craigslist.org/mcy/4985995007.html
Mike E.
Lisle IL.
That's a nice bike. Thanks.
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Can't comment on the choice of bike, never having ridden either, but I will say that choosing a dealer based on being three hours closer is not a very strong reason unless you plan on having that dealer do all your wrenching. These guys on this forum have a ton of background and may know a better spot to look for the perfect machine for you...
My dealer is 2700 km south (Valley Moto, Chilliwack) and I still get great service every time I call.
Enjoy whichever machine you buy.
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Can't comment on the choice of bike, never having ridden either, but I will say that choosing a dealer based on being three hours closer is not a very strong reason unless you plan on having that dealer do all your wrenching. These guys on this forum have a ton of background and may know a better spot to look for the perfect machine for you...
My dealer is 2700 km south (Valley Moto, Chilliwack) and I still get great service every time I call.
Enjoy whichever machine you buy.
I do all my own wrenching (which is another reason why the 1400 is out of my league) so the distance to the bikes is only relevant for the purchase. Since it will definitely be a two up machine even a 5hrs. trip to test the bike will be a weekend commitment for the two of us, and since we are cottagers most of our weekends are already spent at the lake.
We have some time off in Aug. and I may convince the wife to take a road trip with the wing to view/test out some bikes. I could plan a nice road trip around Duluth and Lake Superior but I doubt that Cal-Vin would still be available then. There just don't seem to be any Guzzi around locally which if I had to be honest is also part of the appeal.
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Why would maintenance on a Cal-Vin be within your skill level, but the maintenance on the easier to service Cali1400 (no throttle body synchronization and fewer replaceable sensors) be out of your capability?
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The calvin is basically an EV made larger. There are little detail differences, but in my opinion if you are comfortable working on one, you'll feel equally warm and fuzzy about the other.
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Why would maintenance on a Cal-Vin be within your skill level, but the maintenance on the easier to service Cali1400 (no throttle body synchronization and fewer replaceable sensors) be out of your capability?
Maintenance would pose no problems. Problems with throttle by wire, traction control, abs., might be out of my comfort zone to diagnose and resolve. I prefer carbs to efi but accept efi for the benefits it provides. I can see the benefits of the additional systems on the 1400 but would prefer to do without the complexity. Then there is the issue of weight.
In 40+ years of riding I've never been to a dealer for anything other than parts.
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Maintenance would pose no problems. Problems with throttle by wire, traction control, abs., might be out of my comfort zone to diagnose and resolve. I prefer carbs to efi but accept efi for the benefits it provides. I can see the benefits of the additional systems on the 1400 but would prefer to do without the complexity. Then there is the issue of weight.
In 40+ years of riding I've never been to a dealer for anything other than parts.
I hear ya... But my point is you've already crossed the line on EFI with the EV or Cal-Vin. And honestly there's nothing about the Cal 1400 that is any more complicated to troubleshoot... You can use GuzziDiag for either bike.
I'm NOT telling you to get a 1400 over the 1100, they're not the same bike.
I'm just saying not to eliminate the 1400 from consideration based only on your ability to fix either, because there's not much of a difference in reality.
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I think you get a small subset of guzzidiag functions that work on a cal14. not the whole suite...
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I think you get a small subset of guzzidiag functions that work on a cal14. not the whole suite...
What will one need for diagnosis and repairs that you don't get?
I'm not talking remapping... I'm talking about keeping it running.
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To all those who are yet to reach 65yo or older, the weight of your MC, especially when riding 2up, becomes a major factor on what rig you are going to keep riding on. Us older riders no longer have the muscle strength we used to have like you probably still have. :smiley:
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To all those who are yet to reach 65yo or older, the weight of your MC, especially when riding 2up, becomes a major factor on what rig you are going to keep riding on. Us older riders no longer have the muscle strength we used to have like you probably still have. :smiley:
A good reason to keep my EV.
Dean
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To all those who are yet to reach 65yo or older, the weight of your MC, especially when riding 2up, becomes a major factor on what rig you are going to keep riding on. Us older riders no longer have the muscle strength we used to have like you probably still have. :smiley:
And that's the reason I no longer own my EV :(
Best,
Carlo
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. . .and a reason I'm building a trike.
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That's why I got a Ducati
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To all those who are yet to reach 65yo or older, the weight of your MC, especially when riding 2up, becomes a major factor on what rig you are going to keep riding on. Us older riders no longer have the muscle strength we used to have like you probably still have. :smiley:
I can understand that, though we should also remember it's not just how much it weighs, but how high or low it carries that weight.
I've had bikes that were taller and weighed less (sometimes by hundreds of pounds) that felt heavier than bikes that were lower but actually much heavier.
Though I'll also admit none of those heavy and low bikes ever felt AS light as say our Monster or V7.
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And that's the reason I no longer own my EV :(
Best,
Carlo
Interesting. So you find the older bikes easier to handle?
Jorg
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I can understand that, though we should also remember it's not just how much it weighs, but how high or low it carries that weight.
I've had bikes that were taller and weighed less (sometimes by hundreds of pounds) that felt heavier than bikes that were lower but actually much heavier.
Though I'll also admit none of those heavy and low bikes ever felt AS light as say our Monster or V7.
One of my friends has a little monster. What a wonderfull solo bike.
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Quote from: Carlo DeSantis on June 04, 2015, 02:43:28 PM
And that's the reason I no longer own my EV :(
Best,
Carlo
Interesting. So you find the older bikes easier to handle?
Jorg
Indeed I do.
The basic T3 weighs a bit less than the basic EV. Then I added three HB chrome fames and hardcases; Rifle windshield (including lowers); a really heavy aftermarket seat; chromed Unity aux lights; bigger and heavier tires and wheels; and a few other things. In addition, the EV has a longer wheelbase and higher triple clamp. I'm guessing the T3 weighs something like 550# wet vs well over 600# wet for the EV. So the EV was bigger, heavier and had a higher CoG. It was wearing me out pushing it around the garage, and I felt it was only a matter of time before I had a zero mph drop with it.
My Eldo -- should I ever get it back on the road -- is much lighter than either T3 or EV.
In addition, my garage has a BMW R1200R that is about a bit over 500# wet with side cases and smallish windshield, and what feels like a lower CoG than the EV.
And another thing: if I wasn't so invested in my T3, I'd replace it with a V7!
The older I get, the smaller and lighter bikes are looking better and better.
As always, YMMV :)
Best,
Carlo
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There just don't seem to be any Guzzi around locally which if I had to be honest is also part of the appeal.
This is part of the appeal for me too. Coming round a corner to find another 1/2 doz bikes identical to mine would spoil my day.... unless it was some kind of Guzzi meet. My last bike had that virtue too. It was a BSA Rocket 3 which I had for 37 years. (I nearly bought a Munch Mammoth, but the BSA beat it out)
I loved my EV Engine but as per a very long and interesting tale on this site it has been re-engined with a 2002 LeMans motor. I'm still blown away when I think about that.
I can't wait to see how that goes and I'm hoping for minimum tappet noise. Sigh... It's been off the road for far too long.
I do think that the EV is as heavy as I would go and the 1400 has gathered a bit of a rep for being crap in the gravel and from what I understand needs quite a lot of work to do things like remove the rear wheel. (cf with My 1950 BSA A10 which had a quickly detachable rear wheel splined into the brakedrum/sprocket and a hinged rear guard to ease rolling it out) Wouldn't do here I don't think.
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Carlo , aren't real Eldos close to 600 Lbs wet ?
Dusty
Dusty,
I honestly don't know the weight of my Eldo. It's a naked civilian model, with no bags at the moment and it just SEEMS to be the lightest bike I've owned in some time. Riding it in the Driftless Region of Wisconsin is an easy pleasure.
I've been wrong before -- and sure as hell I will be again :)
Best,
Carlo
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Dusty,
I honestly don't know the weight of my Eldo. It's a naked civilian model, with no bags at the moment and it just SEEMS to be the lightest bike I've owned in some time. Riding it in the Driftless Region of Wisconsin is an easy pleasure.
I've been wrong before -- and sure as hell I will be again :)
Best,
Carlo
In the final analysis , the way something makes us feel is all that matters .
Dusty
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One of my friends has a little monster. What a wonderfull solo bike.
True dat... Jenn doesn't want any other bike.
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Quote from: Carlo DeSantis on June 04, 2015, 02:43:28 PM
And that's the reason I no longer own my EV :(
Best,
Carlo
Indeed I do.
The basic T3 weighs a bit less than the basic EV. Then I added three HB chrome fames and hardcases; Rifle windshield (including lowers); a really heavy aftermarket seat; chromed Unity aux lights; bigger and heavier tires and wheels; and a few other things. In addition, the EV has a longer wheelbase and higher triple clamp. I'm guessing the T3 weighs something like 550# wet vs well over 600# wet for the EV. So the EV was bigger, heavier and had a higher CoG. It was wearing me out pushing it around the garage, and I felt it was only a matter of time before I had a zero mph drop with it.
My Eldo -- should I ever get it back on the road -- is much lighter than either T3 or EV.
In addition, my garage has a BMW R1200R that is about a bit over 500# wet with side cases and smallish windshield, and what feels like a lower CoG than the EV.
And another thing: if I wasn't so invested in my T3, I'd replace it with a V7!
The older I get, the smaller and lighter bikes are looking better and better.
As always, YMMV :)
Best,
Carlo
How would you compare them for two up riding? The EV, the T3, and the Eldo?
Thanks.
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To all those who are yet to reach 65yo or older, the weight of your MC, especially when riding 2up, becomes a major factor on what rig you are going to keep riding on. Us older riders no longer have the muscle strength we used to have like you probably still have. :smiley:
This Wayne is very true. I had a bloke call me up the other day, he is 67, had been off bikes for several years but had seen and fallen in love with a Cali 1400 touring. He was going to buy it from a place in Albury but wanted me to do the servicing because he' heard good word of mouth reports. I pointed out that if he wanted me to carry the warranty and servicing wouldn't it be better to buy the bike off me? That idea didn't get a lot of traction.
Thing is he had never ridden one, just seen it and fallen in lust. That's fine but unless he's a giant at 67 and coming back from a hiatus from motorcycling I didn't think it a wise choice. He'd previously owned a Cali II back in the eighties and seemed unaware of the weight and power differences.
Anyway, I wrote him a long email telling him what I could supply the bike for cost wise but asking him to seriously reconsider the purchase or at least get a decent test ride before parting himself from $25K, (Yup, that's what a blinged-up 'Touring' will cost you here.). Anyway, I haven't heard back, which I'm glad of. I'd find it very hard having to live with after reading his obituary.
I suggested a V7-Stone as an alternative. He probably though I was insulting him. Pity. It's a much more suitable bike and over ten grand less.
I just hope the dealer he buys from know what they're doing as if I suddenly get calls about warranty work I'm going to be extremely busy for the next two years.......
Pete
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How would you compare them for two up riding? The EV, the T3, and the Eldo?
Thanks.
Boy, I'm really not the person to answer this one. I have done very few miles two-up.
That said, I can't imagine that the EV wouldn't win hands-down: more seat, more power, great (HB) luggage available.
Best,
Carlo
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The EV is longer -- smoother ride, more passenger space. More ponies by far. It's as good as the Tonti/cali concept got.
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I enjoyed a Cali hydro for a couple of years. I now have a 1999 Cali EV - I like having regular tappets and also that there's no chrome on the wheels to flake off - it feels even smoother at low revs although lacks a little at the top end. A friend who's had an EV bought the Vintage and found the riding position more cramped - so cramped that he traded it in. I've also seen several Vintages which have corroded badly. So, my preference is for a pre hydro EV, and am loving the one I now have.
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Why would one be more cramped except differences on seat?
Aren't the frames and forks and probably bars all the same between the Cal-Vin and EV?
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From what I read, the seat was lowered on the Vintage; I forget the reason, but it may have been something to do with the position of the battery.
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Incidentally, I had the optional MG touring seat on the hydro - now that was comfortable! Except that it put my head into even more turbulence from the screen - nothing that an MRA X-creen couldn't sort though.
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Re-reading the original post, perhaps I should mention that my other bike is a Breva 1100. I love its free revving engine, but the friend who found the Vintage too cramped also mourned the change in engine characteristics from the EV he'd had, which he felt was more suitable to a cruiser-type of bike.
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If you are looking for a hydro:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-California-EV-/301651504687?forcerrptr=true&hash=item463bd4ae2f&item=301651504687
The black Touring I EV's didn't have the heated grips or the electrical outlet but all I've seen came with the dual plate clutch. This guy says that "GuzziSteve" did the recall on this bike and that's a good indication that the original owner told him the proper history (there's only one GuzziSteve!). Other than the Staintune exhaust and the pinstriping the mods are in good taste and the mileage is good for a hydro (if that ITI speedo hasn't died yet). It also looks like it has the Showa Harley Air Shocks on it which is a popular upgrade.
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Maybe Steve will comment on the dyno'd 100hp of this hydro. You might fit 100 welsh ponies in there, but I have my doubts about 100 full-sized ones.
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If you are looking for a hydro:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-California-EV-/301651504687?forcerrptr=true&hash=item463bd4ae2f&item=301651504687
The black Touring I EV's didn't have the heated grips or the electrical outlet but all I've seen came with the dual plate clutch. This guy says that "GuzziSteve" did the recall on this bike and that's a good indication that the original owner told him the proper history (there's only one GuzziSteve!). Other than the Staintune exhaust and the pinstriping the mods are in good taste and the mileage is good for a hydro (if that ITI speedo hasn't died yet). It also looks like it has the Showa Harley Air Shocks on it which is a popular upgrade.
Nice. A few logistics problems for me compared to the one in S. Dakota. In any case, I'm uncomfortable buying a bike I haven't inspected/ridden regardless of how good a deal it might be. A friend bought a vintage Harley based on photos and phone calls because he let passion get the better of him. That bike didn't turn out quite like expected.
Other than cosmetics are there significant differences between 98-02 EV's?
It's a shame they blacked out the webbing on the cases of the later model EV's as I find the cases very attractive and not something I would downplay. I'm starting to think the rear fender/tail light of the hydros doesn't fit the rear wheel very well either. I prefer the aluminium rims to chrome.
I tend to keep my bikes so I try to learn about them before I buy them.
Do all the seats on the EV's interchange?
Jorg
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From what I read, the seat was lowered on the Vintage; I forget the reason, but it may have been something to do with the position of the battery.
I don't know that I believe that.
I keep a spreadsheet on bikes that interest me - various comparative specs.
Here's what I have for seat height:
Jackal 30.3
Black Eagle 30.5
Cal-Vin 30.7
Now EV wasn't in that list but a quick google search:
http://www.autoevolution.com/moto/moto-guzzi-california-ev-2004.html#aeng_moto-guzzi-california-vintage-2004-1064
http://www.autoevolution.com/moto/moto-guzzi-california-touring-2002.html#aeng_moto-guzzi-california-touring-2002-1064
2002+ EV 30.7
And my service manual says 770mm (30.3) across the board Stone, Jackal, Special, Special Sport, and EV
So I can't imagine there's much of a difference, unless there's a big difference in foot controls (doubt it) or maybe there's a bar difference, but that's easy enough to change.
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I've been puzzling over your comments, because I agree that those figures look the same, but I know I read that the leg position was more cramped on the Vintage, and I know my friend found it to be so. I've not been able to locate where I read the reasons, but I have found the difference illustrated on this site: http://cycle-ergo.com/
If you compare the Vintage to the Jackal, you'll see that the knee angle is only 79 degrees on the former, but 85 degrees on the latter; obviously, the Jackal has pegs instead of footboards, but I don't think that affects the position.
If nothing else, perhaps others will find the above site useful if they've not come across it before!
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If you are looking for a hydro:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-California-EV-/301651504687?forcerrptr=true&hash=item463bd4ae2f&item=301651504687
The black Touring I EV's didn't have the heated grips or the electrical outlet but all I've seen came with the dual plate clutch. This guy says that "GuzziSteve" did the recall on this bike and that's a good indication that the original owner told him the proper history (there's only one GuzziSteve!). Other than the Staintune exhaust and the pinstriping the mods are in good taste and the mileage is good for a hydro (if that ITI speedo hasn't died yet). It also looks like it has the Showa Harley Air Shocks on it which is a popular upgrade.
Not to mention he has always used the WRONG weight oil!
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I've been puzzling over your comments, because I agree that those figures look the same, but I know I read that the leg position was more cramped on the Vintage, and I know my friend found it to be so. I've not been able to locate where I read the reasons, but I have found the difference illustrated on this site: http://cycle-ergo.com/
If you compare the Vintage to the Jackal, you'll see that the knee angle is only 79 degrees on the former, but 85 degrees on the latter; obviously, the Jackal has pegs instead of footboards, but I don't think that affects the position.
If nothing else, perhaps others will find the above site useful if they've not come across it before!
I have ABSOLUTELY no faith in that website.
Thing is, I'm not saying your friend is wrong from his experience.
I'm saying that we all experience things differently.
Inseam is only part of the equation.
We might scoot forward or back on the seat, we might hug the tank with our knees, sit relaxed without gripping or kick a leg out when riding on the highway, we might put the balls of our feet on the pegs or the heels, etc.
(http://www.gigabikes.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10081/Thurs4a.jpg)
But at the end of the day, if those numbers (specs from MG) are accurate, the EV and Cal-Vin are the SAME basic bike (frame/motor) and any minor difference that exists in ergos can be remedied by changing the appropriate parts - seat, bars, foot controls etc.
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I've heard it mentioned here and at Guzzitech that the 02 was one of the more sorted EV's. What makes it so. Pre-hydro but single plate clutch I believe? Is the ECM still under the seat on the 02? How difficult is it to move the ECU from the under seat location and will other seats then fit? Since it will be a two up bike I believe the ECU under the seat models won't work for the passenger.
Thanks
Jorg.
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I've heard it mentioned here and at Guzzitech that the 02 was one of the more sorted EV's. What makes it so. Pre-hydro but single plate clutch I believe? Is the ECM still under the seat on the 02? How difficult is it to move the ECU from the under seat location and will other seats then fit? Since it will be a two up bike I believe the ECU under the seat models won't work for the passenger.
Thanks
Jorg.
The 02 should have solid lifters and a dual plate clutch. I believe the big under the seat ECU went away in 99 or 2000. My 02 Stone has the ECU under the side cover, the EV should be the same.
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'02 EVs are GREAT.
Dean
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I've heard it mentioned here and at Guzzitech that the 02 was one of the more sorted EV's. What makes it so. Pre-hydro but single plate clutch I believe? Is the ECM still under the seat on the 02? How difficult is it to move the ECU from the under seat location and will other seats then fit? Since it will be a two up bike I believe the ECU under the seat models won't work for the passenger.
Thanks
Jorg.
2002 EV:
Pre-hydro (if that's what you are looking for)
dual plate clutch
longer swingarm
4.0x17 chrome tubeless rear wheel
black engine paint. Only knock in 02 there was some flaking.
15M ECU. No big chunk under the seat
Only needs are a better/re worked seat and better suspension. If you find one with the King/Queen optional seat you'll be fine.
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Ikon shocks on the rear and hyperpro progressive fork springs on the front along with the King/Queen seat like I have on my '02 and you're good to go.
Dean
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89 where are you from, because some years/ECUs may vary slightly depending on market.
For instance, I don't THINK the US got a version with 02 sensors UNTIL the Cal-Vin.
FWIW, my 00 Jackal had an open-loop system with the ECM under the seat (well, more under the left sidecover, but technically that was right below the seat).
I think I could have easily placed a Cal-Vin seat on the same Jackal...and considered it at one point.
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89 where are you from, because some years/ECUs may vary slightly depending on market.
For instance, I don't THINK the US got a version with 02 sensors UNTIL the Cal-Vin.
FWIW, my 00 Jackal had an open-loop system with the ECM under the seat (well, more under the left sidecover, but technically that was right below the seat).
I think I could have easily placed a Cal-Vin seat on the same Jackal...and considered it at one point.
Manitoba, Canada, although I've resigned myself to having to look south for anything Guzzi.
So '00 through '02 should be similar with the difference being rear fender/tail light style and bare aluminium cases and rims on the '00? Same swing arm?
Thanks
Jorg
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Manitoba, Canada, although I've resigned myself to having to look south for anything Guzzi.
So '00 through '02 should be similar with the difference being rear fender/tail light style and bare aluminium cases and rims on the '00? Same swing arm?
Thanks
Jorg
I think you have to go to the '02 to get the chrome tubeless wheels and longer swingarm.