Has your Breva, Norge or 12 Sport Dash failed and had to be replaced?

[drums4money]

My '08 1200 Sport lost the dash at 16,600 miles,replaced under warranty, sold my 06 1100 Breva at 28K with original dash, as far as I know it is still going strong.

So piaggio is inconsistent at best with erring on behalf of providing service.  At 16,000 miles your dash had experienced twice the duty of mine which crapped @ just 8,000 miles.  Glad at least that your experience had a positive outcome.

[ohiorider]

Still working at 40,500 miles.  On the road since April 2010.  The LCD display went blank about 11,000 miles ago, but when I stopped and restarted, the LCD reappeared.  What's with that??  It's only done it one time.  OK .... now I'm jinxed!

It probably doesn't make one speck of difference, but I make it a point (now) to let the dash go through its start-up routine completely before turning on the ignition.

EDIT - please make a correction to the survey.  I entered 'yes' instead of 'no.'  So remove one failed dash from the survey and add mine in as one that hasn't failed.  Sorry.

[fotoguzzi]

Jeepers, I'm never getting one of those, I can't ride while I Touch wood with fingers crossed and holding rabbits foot.

[travelingbyguzzi]

'08 1200 sport doing well with 34K.

[Suncoast]

Still working at 39,200 miles.  On the road since April 2010.  The LCD display went blank about 10,000 miles ago, but when I stopped and restarted, the LCD reappeared.  What's with that??  It's only done it one time.  OK .... now I'm jinxed!

It probably doesn't make one speck of difference, but I make it a point (now) to let the dash go through its start-up routine completely before turning on the ignition.

EDIT - please make a correction to the survey.  I entered 'yes' instead of 'no.'  So remove one failed dash from the survey and add mine in as one that hasn't failed.  Sorry.

I tried to edit it but can't i think one of the mods will have to

[youcanrunnaked]

2008 Norge, bought new in 2010.  No dash failure, but I only owned it for one month, so I did not add myself to the survey.

Are there dash failures among the Norge models?  I thought this was a Breva/Sport problem.

[FGO]

My 07 Breva dash fogged up and was promptly replaced by a well known dealer on this board.

[mickyvee]

 :) 2013 Sport Corsa. 1000 miles and no dash issues! (Or any other issues).

[averb]

2008 Norge, bought new in 2010.  No dash failure, but I only owned it for one month, so I did not add myself to the survey.

Are there dash failures among the Norge models?  I thought this was a Breva/Sport problem.

For what its worth the Breva 850 dash is the same part number as the Norge and yes mine failed. Could well be a moisture problem as the most obvious difference between the bikes is the weather protection.
Steve

[Crusty]

'07 Norge bought new in '09. 47K, ridden year round. No dash issues yet.

[Jim Rich]

My Norge keeps running out of gas.   ;D

[guzziks]

07 norge
only 21,000 miles
rarely ridden in the rain.
no problems

[Crusty]

It's looking like the failure rate is roughly 25% among this crowd. That's pretty high, I think.

[Kev m]

It's looking like the failure rate is roughly 25% among this crowd. That's pretty high, I think.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, if the Norge dashes aren't failing (or are at a much different rate, the poll is very deceptive because it didn't separate Breva and Norge).

[SteveRivet]

The LCD display went blank about 10,000 miles ago, but when I stopped and restarted, the LCD reappeared.  What's with that??  It's only done it one time.  OK .... now I'm jinxed!

It probably doesn't make one speck of difference, but I make it a point (now) to let the dash go through its start-up routine completely before turning on the ignition.

My 08 Sport is still okay at 14K, but has done the same kind of blank out as OhioRider's has two or three times.  I also make it go thru the full start up routine now, as well as standing on my left foot, burning some incense, and counting from 10 to 1 in Italian as part of my starting ritual.

-Steve

[Suncoast]

AND UNFORTUNATELY, if the Norge dashes aren't failing (or are at a much different rate, the poll is very deceptive because it didn't separate Breva and Norge).

As far as I know the Norge dashes are the same as the Brevas, I am thinking that as someone has said the better weather protection offered by the Norge may be the difference. I'm trying to think of a way to possibly protect the backside of my dash to possibly prevent this issue...Thoughts? Feel free to start another poll Kev...Just not sure how to differentiate. I would think that the dashes all come from the same parts bin but maybe I'm wrong

[drums4money]

As far as I know the Norge dashes are the same as the Brevas, I am thinking that as someone has said the better weather protection offered by the Norge may be the difference. I'm trying to think of a way to possibly protect the backside of my dash to possibly prevent this issue...Thoughts? Feel free to start another poll Kev...Just not sure how to differentiate. I would think that the dashes all come from the same parts bin but maybe I'm wrong

i get the sense that susceptibility to moisture is only a manifestation of the questionable design.  i never experienced any visible condensation.  bike lives in a climate controlled garage, has never been in rain, and washed by bucket with a shower-cap over the gauge cluster.  it's never had an indirect splash of water on either the dash, switchgear, or harness junction at the tree. 

[averb]

i get the sense that susceptibility to moisture is only a manifestation of the questionable design.  i never experienced any visible condensation.  bike lives in a climate controlled garage, has never been in rain, and washed by bucket with a shower-cap over the gauge cluster.  it's never had an indirect splash of water on either the dash, switchgear, or harness junction at the tree. 

Its an interesting question, as far as I know the Breva, 1200 sport and Norge dash units are mechanically identical the only difference is in the PCB layouts (god only knows why, but that's another discussion in its own right) that have differing pin-outs on the connectors. Given this, I don't understand why the majority of the failures are on Brevas and Sports and not Norge's. The most obvious difference is the weather protection but if your bike has never had water on it, it would seem to indicate a different cause. I have never seen a Norge in the flesh so am not familiar with any of the details of how the dash is mounted but maybe this is the differentiator, it may be that the moisture issue is a red herring or more likely only part of the reason for the failures maybe a vibration caused by the dash mounting in the Breva and Sport is causing the failures.
The bottom line is though, the failure rate is appalling. I'm sure it isn't as high as the poll is indicating but even so I'd be pretty certain that it isn't down near the 2-3% that might be considered acceptable
Steve

[Suncoast]

looks to be @ 20% from the votes.....I'm sure it's probably @ 5-10%....I've been following this issues for a while now and strange thing is I've never heard of any european riders saying they've had any issues...

[blackcat]

I have ridden my Norge in all kinds of weather from light rains to cars pulling off the road type rain storms and I wash the bike without any concern for the clocks. Don't drown them but haven't given it much thought but I guess I will now. Bike has 40,000+ miles.

07 Norge and it is plenty humid down here for most of the year.

[Kev m]

looks to be @ 20% from the votes.....I'm sure it's probably @ 5-10%....I've been following this issues for a while now and strange thing is I've never heard of any european riders saying they've had any issues...

I wonder if we asked all the people who said no a year from now if their answer would still be no?

[Eric Plante]

2011 Norge with about 15000 mikes on the clock. Flawless.

[frans belgium]

looks to be @ 20% from the votes.....I'm sure it's probably @ 5-10%....I've been following this issues for a while now and strange thing is I've never heard of any european riders saying they've had any issues...

I did.
Chopped Belgian liver ?   ;D
btw 20% is huge, 5-10% would still be way too much.
And I'm pretty sure it is climate related (it rains a lot in Belgium)

[Eric Plante]

AND UNFORTUNATELY, if the Norge dashes aren't failing (or are at a much different rate, the poll is very deceptive because it didn't separate Breva and Norge).

You are right Kev.
I am also wondering if year/model as something to do with dash problem.
I noticed most of the failures occured on year/model 2006, 2007 & 2008 while recent year/models seem dash failure free. Am I wrong?

[Kev m]

You are right Kev.
I am also wondering if year/model as something to do with dash problem.
I noticed most of the failures occured on year/model 2006, 2007 & 2008 while recent year/models seem dash failure free. Am I wrong?

If anything I'm HOPING you're right... that would be encouraging!  ;-T I.E. that is was somehow identified and dealt with and isn't a specter hanging over any future bikes with the same design dash.

Then again, the fact that it almost seems to have not effected the Griso at all, and Norge cases are few and far between, I already suspect it's not a specter. But I'm optimistic that way.  :BEER:

[lordabhi]

Mine failed at 250 miles - 2007 Breva - Got it replaced under warranty

[pbeesley]

If it's not a moisture issue then my second thought would be poor voltage regulation (on the dash PCB) or poor grounding (external connections). Bike power is dirty and spikes from insufficient filtering could damage components on the PCB over time.

[buicknick72]

I'm not a weather man, but I'm also betting not all rain is created equal.  Salt content in water is what is worst for electronics.

[Zoom Zoom]

You are right Kev.
I am also wondering if year/model as something to do with dash problem.
I noticed most of the failures occured on year/model 2006, 2007 & 2008 while recent year/models seem dash failure free. Am I wrong?

Jury is out. My '09 Stelvio has recently taken to register very high Max Speed readings. Highest is always 187, but I have seen several 140's and 130's. Since I have not fallen out of an airplane recently, I am confident those speeds are impossible. The dealer is looking into it for me. When I noticed it, I was right on the edge of the warranty. Otherwise, all other readings are correct and stable. Bought new 2 years ago. 21,000 miles. Ridden in all kinds of weather.

John Henry

[bad Chad]

07 Breva, still going strong.