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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2015, 10:40:35 PM »
Good God, I fear the, "if it only had 20 more horsepower", will never end.
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2015, 12:24:44 AM »
You think the Guzzi factory is riding around Italy on a Racer with GuzziTech's big bore and heads?

That makes zero sense.
 

You would think it wouldn't make sense but I wouldn't doubt if Todd used the same guys Guzzi did ... Or hell ...I Wouldn't be surprised if he had something to do with it ... LOL
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2015, 12:37:58 AM »
What is so wrong with wanting more horsepower, does it make  Moto Guzzi not a Moto Guzzi if it has more than  certain amount?

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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2015, 05:35:37 AM »
 You don't need 4 valve heads and overhead cams to get 65 HP at the crankshaft from a 750 with a reasonable torque spread...But getting the engine to be emission compliant would be a struggle.

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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2015, 05:35:37 AM »

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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2015, 06:09:33 AM »
Just like the W650, the CB1100, GB500 etc.

You forgot to add the V7 to that list...



















... But wait, no, the V7 has been an unprecedented success for Guzzi. So no.
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2015, 06:18:33 AM »
What is so wrong with wanting more horsepower, does it make  Moto Guzzi not a Moto Guzzi if it has more than  certain amount?

There are two potential problems with it.

1. Where does it end?

2. What is the trade off?

And with #2 you have to remember how it changes the bike. It gives the bike a different character and feel, plus reduces efficiency.

So yeah, at some point it might not be a "Moto Guzzi" such as some of us love today.
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2015, 06:22:53 AM »
It will be prone to FAIL just as other flat tappet guzzi motors, unless they realtime test it to get out the bugs before it's release.
Remember the Lario, Hydro, 8V.  Make it a roller rocker.
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2015, 06:37:43 AM »
There are two potential problems with it.

1. Where does it end?

2. What is the trade off?

And with #2 you have to remember how it changes the bike. It gives the bike a different character and feel, plus reduces efficiency.

So yeah, at some point it might not be a "Moto Guzzi" such as some of us love today.
  There's some truth to what Kev is saying. A high strung engine is fun for sport riding but in the long run it can be annoying for some riders.
 

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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2015, 06:45:35 AM »
It will be prone to FAIL just as other flat tappet guzzi motors, unless they realtime test it to get out the bugs before it's release.
Remember the Lario, Hydro, 8V.  Make it a roller rocker.

They already have a reliable engine with thousands of hours of flight testing. Big valves, hemi head..  :smiley:
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2015, 07:08:55 AM »
They already have a reliable engine with thousands of hours of flight testing. Big valves, hemi head..  :smiley:

Can the meet emissions standards with it? 
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2015, 07:10:37 AM »
No need to wait. Put your money where your mouth (keyboard fingers) is!  Just call Todd.

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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2015, 07:39:11 AM »
It seems my photoshop has acquired its own life

However I've done better later.





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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2015, 07:45:35 AM »
They already have a reliable engine with thousands of hours of flight testing. Big valves, hemi head..  :smiley:

I ask Guzzi: don't abandon the Heron Head.  A one time favorite of racing cars and piston aircraft.  Now I think Guzzi is the last bike to have it.

It really is a good design for street riding.  Accentuates torque at low to mid rpm, where you need it.  Don't give in to the max red line madness of the magazine write ups.


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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2015, 07:54:56 AM »
Holy crap, I want want want

 :1:  Though give me one with the blue and white Special paint, or perhaps with the recent Stone green tank.
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2015, 09:57:47 AM »
:1:  Though give me one with the blue and white Special paint, or perhaps with the recent Stone green tank.

Give me one with the controls placed where they should be instead of that cruiser crap.  :evil:
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2015, 10:00:08 AM »
Holy crap, I want want want

 :1: :1: :1: :1: :1: :1: :1: :1: :1:

I may just have to do an upside down fork front end and Ohlins rear shocks on my Racer.
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2015, 10:03:06 AM »
Good God, I fear the, "if it only had 20 more horsepower", will never end.

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HP is as addictive as crack.  My addiction is in remission, but for how long I don't know.

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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2015, 10:18:26 AM »
Can the meet emissions standards with it?
Not sure what the Euro 4 standard is, as far as PPM benzine etc...
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2015, 10:25:43 AM »
Give me one with the controls placed where they should be instead of that cruiser crap.  :evil:

Well the photoshoped V9 Stones have their controls in the exact same place as the current V7s...
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2015, 10:35:38 AM »
You're really pushing the envelope, Mike. Attaboy.. :smiley: :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2015, 11:36:54 AM »
They could have the controls where the Racer has.



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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2015, 01:15:48 PM »
Oooh, the one on the bottom..... nice! :whip2:
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2015, 02:37:25 PM »
Outstanding!

1970's numbers from a 70's engine.

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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #53 on: December 12, 2015, 02:52:11 PM »
Oooh, the one on the bottom..... nice! :whip2:

Seventies to the bone.

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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #54 on: December 12, 2015, 03:15:01 PM »

Seventies to the bone.

That is a beautiful package. I have no issues with 70's performance or looks and am in fact quite happy with them. It's the breathless anticipation/pining for it as though it's anything special that's kinda entertaining to me.

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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #55 on: December 12, 2015, 03:27:29 PM »
I have no issues with 70's performance or looks and am in fact quite happy with them. It's the breathless anticipation/pining for it as though it's anything special that's kinda entertaining to me.
The measure of what's special is the interest you have for it.

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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #56 on: December 12, 2015, 05:10:38 PM »
Oooh, the one on the bottom..... nice! :whip2:

 :1: :1: :1: :1: :1:

I was never a fan of the "7" graphics, nor the number plates.

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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2015, 11:04:25 PM »
Put 65hp + in her and I'm in the market. At the weight of a V7 it would be a very peppy bike. Don't give a damn it may be 70's ish, it's good looking like a proper bike should look like, will do what I want of a bike. If I want a hooligan bike I'll ride my Griso.  :evil:
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2015, 11:31:35 PM »
You think the Guzzi factory is riding around Italy on a Racer with GuzziTech's big bore and heads?

That makes zero sense.

Funny, to me it makes perfect sense.

If Piaggio have been looking around they just may have noticed interesting things being done to smallblock engines.  Why not do a covert check on Todd's efforts to check out reliability etc. and explore what Chuck et all have done to the 750's.  Save a heap of design costs!

p.s.  Do like some of DW's photoshops. :thumb:  Not enough to make me sell the Breva :wink: but I still think they look great.
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Re: 65 HP V7
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2015, 11:36:04 PM »
Funny, to me it makes perfect sense.

If Piaggio have been looking around they just may have noticed interesting things being done to smallblock engines.  Why not do a covert check on Todd's efforts to check out reliability etc. and explore what Chuck et all have done to the 750's.  Save a heap of design costs!

p.s.  Do like some of DW's photoshops. :thumb:  Not enough to make me sell the Breva :wink: but I still think they look great.

 Hmm , wonder if anyone at Mandello speaks English  :grin:

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