Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi

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Title: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: berniebee on May 17, 2022, 01:06:47 PM
$5,000 Canadian ( $3,900 U.S.A.) for a bike last registered 28 years ago? Seller says "needs front tire, battery, some TLC" .


https://www.kijiji.ca/v-street-cruisers-choppers/calgary/moto-guzzi-t5-1985-barn-find/1617070977
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: kidsmoke on May 17, 2022, 01:31:18 PM
doesn't hurt to ask.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: redrider90 on May 17, 2022, 02:14:28 PM
I like this part  "Sold as is or the price increases".  :clock: :popcorn:
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Tkelly on May 17, 2022, 02:24:09 PM
Missing seat,not running?
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: spmoto on May 17, 2022, 02:58:19 PM
TRUCK LOAD of CASH, my definition of TLC in this case.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: cliffrod on May 17, 2022, 03:34:10 PM
As a recent comparable, I paid $2800 us for my new 1981 Lemans CX100 about a month ago. Last registered around 20 yrs ago.  Supposedly newly rebuilt engine shortly  before parked that looks legit.  It will need all brakes done, tires and more before its on the road. 

I was first to commit to come get it.   When I got there,  Seller had others waiting for me to say no.  I'm happy to  have  it.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: redrider90 on May 17, 2022, 04:34:41 PM
Missing seat,not running?

There is a photo with the seat on it.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: reidy on May 17, 2022, 04:42:35 PM
A fair price is when both sides are happy. Therefore what I think would be a fair price will be different to someone else.

I will give a few observations since you asked. Add up everything that is required to go for the first ride on this remembering that it has not had any maintenance for at least 28 years. This includes missing parts, full service, new tires, brake lines, fuel lines and such. Now add a bit for the problems you cant see or know about as it has not been for a decent run in 28 years. If that number is less or equal to what you would pay for a bike that looks like this cosmetically it is a fair price.

I have found that when buying used motorcycles or machinery looking and listening to the seller has been equally as beneficial as looking at the item. The line if it does not sell the price goes up is not what I want to hear when buying a bike. Every person will have a different reaction to this comment. I would probably not engage with this seller but that is just me and I may be missing out on a great buy. I like my bike ownership to be a positive experience. That starts from when I go to buy the bikes and ends when I have had a positive selling experience.

Steve
     
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: s1120 on May 17, 2022, 04:58:35 PM
Frankly I never even add in the cost of tires, fluids, filters, etc into my thinking.  Really no matter what you get thats not brand new will need all of those whether its a $500 rat, or a nice clean low mile more modern model. Also where you are matters. Near me you almost NEVER see a Guzzi on sale. So a few hundred extra for a local bike you can see, and put your hands on before buying can be money well spent. Plus if you REALLY want it.. The "I had one in the day" or :My Dad rode one when I was a kid" makes a huge difference to a lot of people. Personally that looks like a pretty solid project. Not sure I would pay the 3900 US on it, but personally I would look good and hard into it in the upper 2k range.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on May 17, 2022, 05:07:31 PM
A T5 in good running condition doesn't typically bring this kind of money.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: redrider90 on May 17, 2022, 05:27:53 PM
A T5 in good running condition doesn't typically bring this kind of money.

Only in Europe and even then some are below this asking price. There are 50 T5s for sale on the link below. All in Europe.
https://www.theparking-motorcycle.com/used-motorcycles/moto-guzzi-850-t5.html
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: fotoguzzi on May 17, 2022, 07:25:31 PM
$1500 max
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: aklawok on May 18, 2022, 12:15:04 AM
 I would give someone else the "opportunity" to throw their money on the line for a time first, then tell the seller: "$xx00...or the price goes down!" if it were rarer, then ok....guzzistas willing to pay are rarer still!
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Cdn850T5NT on May 18, 2022, 12:43:20 AM
That's a non federalized Canadian sourced Series III, a eurospec bike with ~ 17,000 miles on the clock. Doesn't look like it's in particularly good condition, frt master cylinder reservoir cap bolts need lotsa care (and removal of whole ass'y from bike) to tease em out rather than strip heads... Dash has speedo reset knob removed, possibly relocated (as I did, on mine) but no plug to hide hole. Frt master cyl rubbers only, no piston, are still available at Motogiovane, but no other related frt master cyl cpts are avail any more.

You have no idea re the bike's condition... I'd be kinda careful (and cheap with my money).
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on May 18, 2022, 05:30:43 AM
Ive never understood when a bike only need a few fairly inexpensive parts to get'er runnin' why the seller doesn't do that. I mean a front tire and battery combined could be had for about $100. Interesting is the front tire needs replaced so I'm guessing someone must have replaced the 24 year old rear time in the last few years and then lost interest again.

Used to see it all the time on CL bikes - Bike is perfect other than it needs a $3 off eBay to make it 100%.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Don G on May 18, 2022, 05:59:12 AM
Would likely be hard pressed to find someone that would take it away for free, let alone pay $5000 or more. That era of Guzzi does not sell well around here. DonG
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on May 18, 2022, 07:56:34 AM
If it has a clean title and will roll onto a trailer, $800
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: mr_pacman on May 18, 2022, 11:36:19 AM
I'm in Calgary and could go and look at it for you if you are interested in it.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: blackcat on May 18, 2022, 12:59:25 PM
Personally I wouldn't touch that bike unless it was dirt cheap.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Perazzimx14 on May 18, 2022, 03:14:05 PM
Come on all you naysayers it's a Moto Guzzi so it's gotta be worth the asking price in the current condition. I mean isn't the barometer-O-value the fence post Guzzi? It's not the truckload of money you'll invest to create a $3,500 bike, its the therapeutic value from spending the GDP of a small nation and 100's of hours of labor to have a bike worth 4X less then you have invested in it.

I say buy any Guzzi at any price. Its worth it even if its not worth it.

BUY IT before someone else does!!!
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: rocker59 on May 18, 2022, 03:39:49 PM

I'd offer to haul it off if he paid me $250.  Cost of fuel, and all...

Otherwise, he can incur the cost of transport to the breakers.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: wymple on May 18, 2022, 03:50:24 PM
He is delusional
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: redrider90 on May 18, 2022, 04:20:31 PM
I'm in Calgary and could go and look at it for you if you are interested in it.

Well I am not interested in buying the bike but if you decided to go look at it, it sure would make this thread a whole lot more interring. Flush all the conjecture away and give us the scoop.  :laugh:
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: reidy on May 18, 2022, 04:54:03 PM
"Barn find , last registration was 1994 . Shes beautiful, cleaned up and ready for someone to take her on the road . Needs battery, front tire and some TLC . Sold as is or the price increases."

This is how I read the add;
 I found this in some blokes shed, it was parked 28 years ago after a breakdown and he could not afford the bill. He told me what was wrong with it so I picked it up for a song. I have given it a wash. I am not totally dishonest as I have said it needs some TLC. I just won't tell you how much as no one will buy it. I am selling it as is, because if I get it running I would have to charge a ridiculous amount of money just to recover my costs and still make at least 300% on my initial investment. I had a battery for it but I don't want one anywhere near it. You would not believe the sounds this thing makes when you try and turn it over. Please come for a look and I will talk nonstop and tell you how good a buy this is, sell it to you for $3000 and move on to my next quick deal.     

Steve   
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: mr_pacman on May 18, 2022, 04:56:45 PM
Well I am not interested in buying the bike but if you decided to go look at it, it sure would make this thread a whole lot more interring. Flush all the conjecture away and give us the scoop.  :laugh:

I'll be at a dentist appointment next week in that area. If I have time I'll see if I can check it out.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: pehayes on May 18, 2022, 06:00:34 PM
Hasn't registered since '94.  Needs a front tire.

???  Is there some magical reason why it doesn't need to replace the at least 28 year old rear tire???

Take my similar SPII (registered and modernized) off of the swap meet page and you'll have $3k left over for gas.  Only needs a rider.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Huzo on May 18, 2022, 07:24:25 PM
Come on all you naysayers it's a Moto Guzzi so it's gotta be worth the asking price in the current condition. I mean isn't the barometer-O-value the fence post Guzzi? It's not the truckload of money you'll invest to create a $3,500 bike, its the therapeutic value from spending the GDP of a small nation and 100's of hours of labor to have a bike worth 4X less then you have invested in it.

I say buy any Guzzi at any price. Its worth it even if its not worth it.

BUY IT before someone else does!!!
YesÖ
I knew youíd come around. Iím surprised youíd quote me, but youíll rarely go wrong if you do.
Also.
Why does it matter what itís ďworthĒ, isnít it the prerogative of the buyer to decide that ?
The seller decides how much he wants you to pay, buyer decides what he will pay, because to him thatís what itís worth. Because that will be exactly equal to how much money has been handed over.

You were almost giving you GS away, does that mean itís worth nothing ?
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on May 18, 2022, 08:45:31 PM
Here's what Hagerty's thinks it's worth. Not that I agree, mind you.

#1 Concours condition
$8,500

#2 Excellent condition
$6,300

#3 Good condition
$5,800

#4 Fair condition
$4,900


NADA - a little more realistic:
Excellent
$4,515

Very Good
$2,530

Good
$1,200

Fair
$855
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Scout63 on May 19, 2022, 05:50:50 AM
I have a number in my head for any bike that I donít just HAVE TO HAVE - $1,000.00.  Itís not based on reality or actual value, but the amount Iím willing to throw at something interesting but not essential. I like this T5 but even at $1000 it would be hard to make it right and safe and not be under water.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on May 19, 2022, 06:12:54 AM
Ben hit it on the head, thats why I said $800 IF he has clean title in hand.

I was wondering about the rear tire too... What is up with that.. 'Needs a front tire'- hell man, it needs a whole lot more than that!

Meanwhile Huzo thinks you're a nancy if you dont fly-n-ride to pick it up and ride it across the country with a pocket full of spanners! Man up!

... and lastly, whoever said the seller is delusional is the official winner of the thread, perfect answer!
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Huzo on May 19, 2022, 06:14:57 AM
Ben hit it on the head, thats why I said $800 IF he has clean title in hand.

I was wondering about the rear tire too... What is up with that.. 'Needs a front tire'- hell man, it needs a whole lot more than that!

Meanwhile Huzo thinks you're a nancy if you dont fly-n-ride to pick it up and ride it across the country with a pocket full of spanners! Man up!

... and lastly, whoever said the seller is delusional is the official winner of the thread, perfect answer!
Official..? :popcorn:
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: blackcat on May 19, 2022, 06:25:46 AM
Iíd buy this SP before that T-5.  On FB Moto Guzzi Bikes and Parts.

$3,600.00
1993 Moto Guzzi SP ∑ Driven 25,555 miles

Well kept 93 SP111 stored inside.
Givi locking side cases and top case
Comes with two extra new windshields.
Original seat and the lowered seat currently on the bike.
I just installed new tires .
Bike is ready to be ridden.
Could possibly deliver depending on location??
Contact me via call or text @ 405-326-8356
Located in the Oklahoma City area.

(https://i.ibb.co/ZMmGhxm/08-AB46-CF-468-E-4-D9-D-982-D-991-E309-C25-FE.jpg)
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Furbo on May 19, 2022, 01:27:11 PM
Fair Price?  No.

Have ridden and worked on a few T5's. Find them less nimble that the T3's. They perhaps have more rake in the steering, longer CAL frame?....dunno.
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: redrider90 on May 19, 2022, 02:13:02 PM
Fair Price?  No.

Have ridden and worked on a few T5's. Find them less nimble that the T3's. They perhaps have more rake in the steering, longer CAL frame?....dunno.

16" front wheel?
Title: Re: "Fair" price for this Barn find '85 T5?
Post by: Cdn850T5NT on May 19, 2022, 03:36:08 PM
16" front wheel?

They have, I think, the mid length swingarm, with a "bent" LHS tube, and yes, they all have 16" frt wheels. Only the Series III has an 18" rear wheel; series 1 and 2 have 16" rear. Despite the 16" frt, it is  a 90 series profile, and with 38-40 psi pressure many find the stability fine. The 18" rear, 90 series profile, helps this too. All Series III's have a Lispa strg dampener, the usability of same being so-so. Not sure the bike really needs the Lispa.