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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #180 on: October 16, 2017, 10:40:14 PM »
More small bits and pieces coming out of boxes and back onto the bike,

Front fender, I cut the heads off some black bolts I had bought for the ring gear but where not high strength and fitted the studs into the fork legs with lock tight





and the front brake cable guides with new rubber grommets



front signal light bracket attaches to the lower triple clamp  using the pinch bolts and spacers





Regulator and coil brackets













And the rectifier bracket and fuse box












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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #181 on: October 17, 2017, 02:12:52 AM »
Honestly mate, I'm not trying to crawl up your bum, but this is an inspirational Alladin's cave of information to me as someone hoping to emulate your work.
There should be no reason with the guidance you gave given, why my Mk 2 isn't a set successful a job.
I can only try my best and follow your steps. Thank you for sharing so unselfishly.
Would you mind telling me what that Red is please ?
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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #182 on: October 17, 2017, 02:17:54 AM »
Agree with Huzo here, you set the standards so high that us other guys can just take it as a example and try to make it just as good!

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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #183 on: October 17, 2017, 09:19:01 AM »
Would you mind telling me what that Red is please ?

I will get the paint code from my painter and post it,

Looking forward to seeing your MKII resurrection, I always liked the body work on the MKII and think its a shame when people turn them into the MKI.

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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #183 on: October 17, 2017, 09:19:01 AM »

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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #184 on: October 17, 2017, 09:35:15 AM »
I like that you are going with the original style relays, rectifier & regulator stuff.
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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #185 on: October 17, 2017, 09:56:48 AM »
I like that you are going with the original style relays, rectifier & regulator stuff.

They work OK on my other bikes, I swapped an electronic regulator on my V7 Sport and it turned out to be faulty, same as the second electronic one I installed, finally installed the old one and its worked fine ever since! That took a couple of weeks chasing my tail trying to figure out why the charging circuit wasn't working.

I really think its important to keep these old beasts as original as possible, some other person is eventually going to take over care of this bike and will be relying on its current condition as 'correct'. I would hope that it stays stock for ever. There are some fasteners that I need to change out after looking at SwooshDaves' excellent pictures from the Barber Museum but I need to find a source for 'parkerized' finish on the hex head bolts supporting the top of the shock absorbers and a couple other locations.

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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #186 on: October 17, 2017, 10:06:08 AM »
I couldn't agree more for these types of restorations. Plus, make trouble-shooting much easier than if you have odd ball stuff in there.

I think the red-top Magneti Marelli oil-filled coils may be the actual correct ones (no longer available new) used in Guzzi bikes from that era up to '80-'81. Just mentioning in case you wanted to go that far with it.
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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #187 on: October 17, 2017, 10:16:33 AM »
I couldn't agree more for these types of restorations. Plus, make trouble-shooting much easier than if you have odd ball stuff in there.

I think the red-top Magneti Marelli oil-filled coils may be the actual correct ones (no longer available new) used in Guzzi bikes from that era up to '80-'81. Just mentioning in case you wanted to go that far with it.

Thanks!  I will check with Harper's if they have some NOS ones

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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #188 on: October 17, 2017, 10:36:41 AM »
Don't get the knockoff red tops; Those are wax-filled and some leak. The original ones have the word Magneti Marelli in relief type on the Bakelite top. I'm sure you've seen them.
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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #189 on: October 17, 2017, 03:15:31 PM »
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It could just be the camera angle but it looks to me as if your front mudguard is fitted back to front?   The short bit should be forward and the long bit between the wheel and the motor.

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More small bits and pieces coming out of boxes and back onto the bike,

Front fender, I cut the heads off some black bolts I had bought for the ring gear but where not high strength and fitted the studs into the fork legs with lock tight






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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #190 on: October 17, 2017, 04:33:31 PM »
Hi
It could just be the camera angle but it looks to me as if your front mudguard is fitted back to front?   The short bit should be forward and the long bit between the wheel and the motor.

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Your correct, I had it the other way around but it looked wrong to my eye, checked some images on the web and sure enough I have it backwards. :thewife:

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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #191 on: October 17, 2017, 05:28:04 PM »
Would you mind telling me what that Red is please ?

Painter confirmed this is the colour he used, this was provide by a WildGuzzi member and I am very happy with the results.

Mahindra tractor colour. Omni paint by PPG. brand code 926406 an OEM 4478522.


Black on underside and top of gas tank is Satin Black.

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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #192 on: October 17, 2017, 05:36:38 PM »
There should be no reason with the guidance you gave given, why my Mk 2 isn't a set successful a job.

A couple pictures of the MK II from inside the Moto Guzzi museum three summers past, the paint was faded and the bike was not cleaned up much for display, still a great example of a MK II.






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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #193 on: October 18, 2017, 03:18:24 AM »
A couple pictures of the MK II from inside the Moto Guzzi museum three summers past, the paint was faded and the bike was not cleaned up much for display, still a great example of a MK II.




Yeah, I had a look at when I was there and I recall our Mk2's in Oz, being a orange tinged red, more than the cherry tinge of that one.
Granted it was faded over the years. Do you reckon it has original paint ?
Also is the mirror placement stock ?
Thanks very much indeed for your care and effort in helping.
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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #194 on: October 18, 2017, 01:11:28 PM »
Hi Huzo,

I don't the mirrors on the LM MKII are stock, any pictures I have seen of a MK II had no mirrors at all.

Maybe mirrors where dealer added?

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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #195 on: October 18, 2017, 08:40:37 PM »
That mirror looks to be the same type that was installed on early SPs from the factory.
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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #196 on: October 18, 2017, 09:01:28 PM »
SP 1000 in the museum in the same line up as the Le Mans MKII


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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #197 on: October 18, 2017, 10:21:36 PM »
Oh, ok then.
Thanks again for your post.
It has become my "go to" page for inspiration and guidance.
No BS...
BTW, where the hell do you get stuff like a brand new rubber base for the battery tray and other items of that ilk ? It just separates the beautiful resto's from the "almost made it" type of look that I hope to avoid.
And without cringing, I'm gunna be a bit reluctant to show you my Mk2 job having seen yours, but I will use your methods and progression as something to aspire to and do the best I can.
I suppose you just treat every stage as the most important thing at the time and not be afraid to ask questions, but you've demonstrated what can be done !
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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #198 on: October 19, 2017, 09:08:49 AM »
BTW, where the hell do you get stuff like a brand new rubber base for the battery tray and other items of that ilk ? It just separates the beautiful resto's from the "almost made it" type of look that I hope to avoid.

Here in the US, it's all available from MG Cycle, Harper's and Moto International.

http://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_209&products_id=597
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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #199 on: October 19, 2017, 10:41:45 AM »
I see a lot of restorations where the rubber parts, fasteners, hoses etc, have not been replaced. These are relatively cheap to replace and I think when these items look great the rest of the bike looks that much better.

I get most of my rubber bits from HMB in Germany and MG Cycle.

This is a list of the items I usually replace


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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #200 on: October 19, 2017, 08:34:21 PM »
Here in the US, it's all available from MG Cycle, Harper's and Moto International.

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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #201 on: October 19, 2017, 10:01:08 PM »
One last assembly to rebuild, the original starter, stripped down for powder coating and to replace the brush pack, check the solenoid and it looks like I should find a better set of outer core windings



One last box of misc. bits to powder coat, small diameter headlight shell I got from Stien Dinse, seat bracket, signal stems etc..



I hadn't noticed the instrument bezel was damaged, MG Cycle sells a similar one but its not the same as the repro has the ignition switch cut out, may have to do in a pinch,


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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #202 on: October 19, 2017, 10:05:04 PM »
Is that the same instrument bezel as the T3?


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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #203 on: October 19, 2017, 10:10:27 PM »
Is that the same instrument bezel as the T3?


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Don't know, does the T3 have its ignition switch in the bezel or on the top of the frame like the Le Mans?

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« Reply #204 on: October 19, 2017, 10:10:58 PM »
Don't know, does the T3 have its ignition switch in the bezel or on the top of the frame like the Le Mans?

Frame.


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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #205 on: October 19, 2017, 10:15:03 PM »
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Thanks Dave,

the T3 should be a match, anyone have a nice used one they can part with?

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« Reply #206 on: October 19, 2017, 10:18:22 PM »
Thanks Dave,

the T3 should be a match, anyone have a nice used one they can part with?

With all the cafe builds I’m sure they aren’t rare. I bet if you posted in the General area asking if they are the same bezel and if anyone has one you’ll get some good responses.


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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #207 on: October 20, 2017, 11:13:33 PM »
I do my own powder coating on small pieces, mostly because my local coating shop would rather not deal with all the tiny pieces I want coated. An old Westinghouse wall oven tucked under my bench (free on my local small adds paper), and an Eastwood Auto powder gun and powder, very cheap and easy to do.





I wash everything down with acetone prior to spraying on the powder

Turns out pretty good and it will stand up to abuse

low gloss black and stamped metal for the fairing brackets





Probably spent less than $10 on powder to get these pieces done

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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #208 on: October 21, 2017, 09:35:48 AM »
Do you do anything different to powder coat chrome pieces, like the headlight trim?
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Re: 1977 Le Mans Rebuild getting started
« Reply #209 on: October 21, 2017, 03:11:41 PM »
Do you do anything different to powder coat chrome pieces, like the headlight trim?

I just run the chrome plated parts over a fine brass wheel in my bench grinder to knock off any flaking chrome.

I got the wheels on this morning



Shimmed the front calipers





To get the rear brake caliper on I had to back off the left rear shock stud





Then I lowered the bike onto the lift and dropped the suspension tie downs



Looking like a motorcycle again


 

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