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Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« on: May 19, 2022, 04:51:18 PM »
Four Utah HD dealers are in trouble for selling and installing  exhausts that are illegal on roads. Look it up for details.

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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2022, 06:34:28 PM »
Four Utah HD dealers are in trouble for selling and installing  exhausts that are illegal on roads. Look it up for details.

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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2022, 06:47:43 PM »
Maybe they were track bikes?
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2022, 07:25:11 PM »
Hopefully this is the start of a trend.
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2022, 08:44:52 PM »
It says right on the pipe: "For off road use only."  That shouldn't be too much of a stretch in Utah, of all places.

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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2022, 08:47:05 PM »
You’re thinking of a Heritage Ultra with knobbiess?

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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2022, 08:52:40 PM »
So you buy new mufflers for your whatever bike. They conform per the MFGr to stock specs. BUT, they state not for road use, off road only.

That would suck if some one wants to push the off road use only.

How many are running MAC mufflers or the like. I don't think they are street legal. Could be wrong???

This could be a can of worms,
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2022, 09:00:01 PM »
This isn’t so much about the mufflers as it is seemingly about the dealers defeating pollution devices. The mufflers and increased noise seems to just be an add on.

Salt Lake City often has some of the worst air quality on the PLANET.  This group of doctors was the same bunch that successfully went after the clowns from the TV show Diesel Brothers. They’re local to SLC.
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2022, 08:04:42 AM »
You’re thinking of a Heritage Ultra with knobbiess?

I watch a feller on a Harley cruiser on an adventure ride do everything every other bike did including stream crossings.
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2022, 08:47:05 AM »
You’re thinking of a Heritage Ultra with knobbiess?

The popular Hare and Hound motorcycle events prior to the british (bike) invasion were populated with hardtail frame HD knuckleheads & similar USA bikes.  Some riders would bend or partially collapse the front downtubes of a frame to change the steering geometry without cutting the frame.  Numerous times we discussed whether or not we could get a modern version of such an event going in conjunction with our motorcycle rally & restrict it to old USA built bikes, possibly including later softtail frames.   We never connected enough of the dots to make it happen.   

In fact, the cartooned motorcycle ride artwork/icon we used for our event came from a former HD dealer's T-Shirt who was involved in those exact Hare & Hound events in the southeastern USA back in the late 40's-early 50's.  Cool stuff.
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2022, 12:01:24 PM »


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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2022, 12:06:49 PM »
Funny how Harley's with loud exhausts are frowned upon but other bikes get a pass. Those Bubs or Agostini's on your Gizzi are not producing Italian music they are only spewing more noise over the stock mufflers.
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2022, 07:53:14 PM »
BUBs and Agostini's etc. are loud, but not anywhere near as loud as the straight pipes some of these HD guys run. Tuner import cars have also become a nuisance. All it takes is a few really bad apples.
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2022, 09:28:24 AM »
 Since about 2006 or so model year, both on and offroad motorcycle atv and snowmachines have been targets of EPA regs.  that have been the norm for car and trucks a lot longer. for the most part till now it has been ignored(knowingly tampering with an emissions control device is a federal crime). what is a common mod. on earlier (than 2006*) machines is increasingly not but hard to detect without inspection, which is becoming increasingly more common in some states. would like to have a link to an article about this case if you have one.
back in the early 90's I took an IM certification class (i was in diesel school...the class was free) these machines connect directly to a central monitoring facility (to prevent tampering and gather data) the first time a vehicle type starts failing the test is an anomaly..joe shade tree did it not me! but when groups of vehicles flunk questions get asked. is also the reason MFGs are making it harder to change mapping on newer machines especially after the VW diesel scandal, would hate to have WGers outed for a too good beetlemap !
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2022, 10:20:15 AM »
BUBs and Agostini's etc. are loud, but not anywhere near as loud as the straight pipes some of these HD guys run. Tuner import cars have also become a nuisance. All it takes is a few really bad apples.

But loud no matter how little or how much is what causes problems. Lately I'm ready to ban cars with turbos. The traffic light behind the house or what most think of it as the Christmas tree at the local drag strip in the last 30 years has seen the evolution of loud vehicles.

- Mid 90's - 5.0 Mustang's with flow master exhausts and sport bikes with 2" long mufflers.
- Mid/late 90's to mid 2000's - was the Harley missing idle screw era where the throttles constantly had to be blipped from 1 RPM to redline over and over while they sat still. Then when the light changed shift only at redline.
- Mid 2000's to latter 2000's was tuner cars with 6" shorty mufflers
- Mid 2010's to current - coal rolling bro dozers with 12" diameter exhaust pipes and turbos that whine at 20 million RPM's
- Currently a new group of turbo cars running 1,000 PSI of boost that 99.9825% of it is ejected out the waste gate with every shift sounding like and AK-47 being fired in 3 round bursts.

And then there's the 10-4 good buddies in their 18 wheelers  that can clearly see the traffic light for a 1/2 mile but are instant on using their Jake brake at 2:30am when there is not a sole on the road and everyone is/was sleeping.



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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2022, 12:08:52 PM »
You wonder why Moto America, the sanctioning body that took over from the AMA for roadracing in America, has a "Bagger" class? It is so the manu's cannot get sued for creating off road only/racing mufflers for baggers...
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2022, 01:00:30 PM »
- Mid 90's - 5.0 Mustang's with flow master exhausts and sport bikes with 2" long mufflers.
- Mid/late 90's to mid 2000's - was the Harley missing idle screw era where the throttles constantly had to be blipped from 1 RPM to redline over and over while they sat still. Then when the light changed shift only at redline.
- Mid 2000's to latter 2000's was tuner cars with 6" shorty mufflers
- Mid 2010's to current - coal rolling bro dozers with 12" diameter exhaust pipes and turbos that whine at 20 million RPM's
- Currently a new group of turbo cars running 1,000 PSI of boost that 99.9825% of it is ejected out the waste gate with every shift sounding like and AK-47 being fired in 3 round bursts.

And then there's the 10-4 good buddies in their 18 wheelers  that can clearly see the traffic light for a 1/2 mile but are instant on using their Jake brake at 2:30am when there is not a sole on the road and everyone is/was sleeping.

Ain't it the truth! Good synopsis.
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2022, 06:08:21 PM »
You wonder why Moto America, the sanctioning body that took over from the AMA for roadracing in America, has a "Bagger" class? It is so the manu's cannot get sued for creating off road only/racing mufflers for baggers...
I don't think that's true, it's to bring in the biker crowd which means more money. The same thing AMA Pro racing did with 883's back in the day. Motoamerica is the promotor, the AMA still sanctions the races.

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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2022, 06:12:19 PM »
So you buy new mufflers for your whatever bike. They conform per the MFGr to stock specs. BUT, they state not for road use, off road only.

That would suck if some one wants to push the off road use only.

How many are running MAC mufflers or the like. I don't think they are street legal. Could be wrong???

This could be a can of worms,
Tom

Those 400 factory mufflers had to come off.  So shouldn't be an issue getting them back on. 

Something about the whole deal makes no sense.  Why put on aftermarket pipes in the first place?  With tax money?  (not political comment, Mr Mod)
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2022, 07:54:59 PM »
Getting them back on.... Maybe not. Probably sold as Take Off parts.

Why do you change them.... Because aftermarket look/sounds/performs soo cool. Same reason you change a Guzzi muffler.

On the vintage.... Go ahead, find a set of factory mufflers for my Eldo or Ambo or my '53 Triumph. Maybe a set of new old stock for my EVT????? My Harley, maybe Harley has new factory mufflers for my 2007??

All I'm trying to say. Is that if someone wants to try to conform to a factory stock muffler. You may need to go aftermarket because factory is no longer available. It would suck if you had to scrap your bike because you can't get the factory ones.

Now straight pipes are a whole different issue. Not going there for any bike from whatever country.

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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2022, 12:44:04 AM »
 Manufactures of new motor vehicles are required to stock replacement parts for 10 years (think is correct). these parts are usually, not as quality as was originally equipped, so replacement pipes for a new bike are not the issue. would still like to see some info on this case...aftermarket parts are okay for a dealer to install as long as they meet the original specs. Its when "cheaters" are put on that SHTF! again being FEDERALY ILLIGAL to do.
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2022, 08:37:15 AM »
Four Utah HD dealers are in trouble for selling and installing  exhausts that are illegal on roads. Look it up for details.

I tell you what.  You want to start these noise threads, YOU provide the links.

These types of posts are stupid and annoying.

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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2022, 08:52:53 AM »
All of my bikes have road legal aftermarket exhausts. Yes, they have a bit more volume than stock but still, road legal per USDOT stampings in the metal. The dress-up pirates though, seem to think it is necessary to run those open straight ones for safety. When I ran the MSF program, anyone who showed up with opens was sent home. The personal bikes had to be street legal. If loud pipes save lives, imagine what learning to ride that thing could do.

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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2022, 02:34:14 PM »
These types of posts are stupid and annoying.
I personally like to indulge in a bit of social commentary and observe human nature from a safe distance Rock.

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« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2022, 02:51:49 PM »
I tell you what.  You want to start these noise threads, YOU provide the links.

These types of posts are stupid and annoying.
From now on I'll keep it to myself. Everyone else can go about their business with their head in the sand.

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« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2022, 03:54:52 PM »
 Our granson is making excellent money.. He bought a new Ford F250 Diesel last year and did a "delete" on emissions including the piss tank. 5 inch exhaust with a noticable sound, modifid ECU...No more rolling coal, the exhaust looks clear at high power levels...4 wheel drive truck like that weighs around 6500 pounds empty, jump on pedal and just pull away from stuff like stock turbo cars like a Subaru...
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2022, 03:58:55 PM »
From now on I'll keep it to myself. Everyone else can go about their business with their head in the sand.

Friend, you DID keep it to yourself.  That's my point.   :rolleyes:
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« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2022, 04:04:07 PM »
Our granson is making excellent money.. He bought a new Ford F250 Diesel last year and did a "delete" on emissions including the piss tank. 5 inch exhaust with a noticable sound, modifid ECU...No more rolling coal, the exhaust looks clear at high power levels...4 wheel drive truck like that weighs around 6500 pounds empty, jump on pedal and just pull away from stuff like stock turbo cars like a Subaru...

Pass everything but a fuel station and with a 37 to 48 gallon capacity probably a huge hole in his wallet.
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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2022, 06:01:19 PM »
Pass everything but a fuel station and with a 37 to 48 gallon capacity probably a huge hole in his wallet.
Yes, and the same statement was made to me 50 years ago with modified muscle cars... :laugh:   And again to those who spend big bucks on fancy bikes...
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Re: Utah HD dealers in hot water.
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2022, 06:34:02 PM »
All of my bikes have road legal aftermarket exhausts. Yes, they have a bit more volume than stock but still, road legal per USDOT stampings in the metal. The dress-up pirates though, seem to think it is necessary to run those open straight ones for safety. When I ran the MSF program, anyone who showed up with opens was sent home. The personal bikes had to be street legal. If loud pipes save lives, imagine what learning to ride that thing could do.

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I've watched enough pirate movies to wonder exactly what you are talking about.
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