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Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« on: July 31, 2022, 11:09:41 AM »
Picked up this BEAUTIFUL, low mileage, one owner 83 SP1000, she was well cared for!  Only have about put 30 miles on her so far and lI ove it, pulls like a frieght train! 

My questions is when you fullyextend the kick stand, there doesn't seem to be a detent to keep it there, in addition it has two very strong springs.  It will work if I extend it all the way by foot, lay the bikle over on it, then roll back just a bit, and the weight of the bike will hold it. As soon as you set the bike upright or roll forwrad, this thing spring and retracts immediately.  So I will default to the center stand.   The problem is my old arhritis ass, need to have the bike on the side stand to get off of it, and get my leg over the bags, so this kick stand make me very nervous.  If someone would bump the bike enough that kick stand could just come up, and I don't want to think about what it would do to that beautiful faring.

So thought I would ask the brain trust here that have had experience with the SP's, if there was any tips or fixes found by them?

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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2022, 11:26:37 AM »
    The plate the Side Stand pivots on has holes for the spring hooks, these holes are behind the pivot point. Drill new holes in front of the pivot point, the stand will not self retract, you must manually pull the stand up with your foot.

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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2022, 12:05:44 PM »
Nothing wrong with your side stand except the ergonomics. Arthritis, age related discomfort in deploying the side stand gives you 2 or possibly 3 options. 1) Mid mount stand ala LM4 etc. ( Still springs back as yours , but easier  to reach / deploy ( esp with  shorter inseams )
2) Brown side stand ,  as liked by other forum folks (but not all) , mounts in same area as mid mount no springing back,  about 350USD   from Boxerworks), and 3) Long Police type as in your California ll, which  does addresses the spring back issue, Hopefully one of the options will work for you. Very nice SP. Congrats
« Last Edit: July 31, 2022, 12:12:06 PM by guzzista »
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2022, 12:10:43 PM »
This was widely discussed in a recent thread:
https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=115834.0

For a mid-mount stand on a budget, MG Cycle offers (currently out of stock) this bracket. One reuses their stand "leg" and springs. Note that there are two spring anchor positions - one for self-retracting and the other the stand stays down until the rider puts it up.
https://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=73&products_id=5093
« Last Edit: July 31, 2022, 12:12:24 PM by Antietam Classic Cycle »
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2022, 12:10:43 PM »

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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2022, 12:35:07 PM »
Anyone try one of the MG Cycle mid-mount stands on a LM1 with a center stand and Lafranconi silencers?  I understand the need to move one before the other thing... just wondering how it works/looks when it's retracted up against the exhaust.

I'm getting more confident dis-mounting with the front mounted stand but it's a ticking time bomb.  Mine wants to stay extended until I start the bike, which is handy sometimes, then the vibration releases it like bear trap.
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2022, 12:58:28 PM »


For a mid-mount stand on a budget, MG Cycle offers (currently out of stock) this bracket. One reuses their stand "leg" and springs. Note that there are two spring anchor positions - one for self-retracting and the other the stand stays down until the rider puts it up.
https://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=73&products_id=5093
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Glad to see  the current version  of the bracket allows 2 choices of springs placement.  The earlier ones did not.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2022, 01:01:28 PM by guzzista »
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2022, 02:16:47 PM »
Was this a problem when these bikes were new? What a pain!
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2022, 03:03:16 PM »
  It was a quick fix to get around safety concerns from people driving off with the stands down and making left hand turns .
  At the time probably safer than using an Italian electrical switch to kill the ignition :evil: Peter

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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2022, 05:56:30 PM »



This is what I did to mine to make it more accessible from the saddle,  pretty simple , just like me if you were to ask my wife   :sad:

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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2022, 06:34:53 PM »
Sort of a pain to source and install, but the G5/Convert left lower rail with looong locking stand is a dream.
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2022, 08:13:12 PM »
    On closer examination of your spring set=up, relocating the holes may not work.

Thanks for the ideas and insight!
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2022, 08:18:30 PM »
This was widely discussed in a recent thread:
https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=115834.0

For a mid-mount stand on a budget, MG Cycle offers (currently out of stock) this bracket. One reuses their stand "leg" and springs. Note that there are two spring anchor positions - one for self-retracting and the other the stand stays down until the rider puts it up.
https://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=73&products_id=5093

Awesome thanks I knew you folks would be able steer me in the right direction.
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2022, 08:21:27 PM »
  It was a quick fix to get around safety concerns from people driving off with the stands down and making left hand turns .
  At the time probably safer than using an Italian electrical switch to kill the ignition :evil: Peter

👍 Makes sense
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2022, 08:23:08 PM »
Sort of a pain to source and install, but the G5/Convert left lower rail with looong locking stand is a dream.

That's what I was used to on my Cal II
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2022, 09:18:17 PM »
A very popular side stand among the BMW air head crowd is the Brown's stand. I just sold my SPNT (see swap meet) to SPscottNT today. My bike has the Frame rail / sidestand from a Cal. Very effective yet quite ugly. Scott told me of a BMW dealer he worked part time for and that they developed an adaptor plate for the Brown's stand to mount to Tonti frames. You could PM him for details.
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2022, 03:46:52 AM »
A very popular side stand among the BMW air head crowd is the Brown's stand. I just sold my SPNT (see swap meet) to SPscottNT today. My bike has the Frame rail / sidestand from a Cal. Very effective yet quite ugly. Scott told me of a BMW dealer he worked part time for and that they developed an adaptor plate for the Brown's stand to mount to Tonti frames. You could PM him for details.
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2022, 06:24:35 AM »


I got this brown side stand from Boxerworks. It's the shiz. :thumb: 
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2022, 07:33:31 AM »
I bought a red and white SP new in '83 after seeing one on the cover of Rider Magazine. I bought an aftermarket side stand quickly after purchasing the bike. Don't remember who made it. Not to be the harbinger of negative news, but some Guzzis of that vintage had soft clutch hubs. The clutch on mine started getting jerky and grabby at around 24K miles. Did a general overhaul at 30K miles and replaced the hub.
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2022, 12:48:04 PM »
I bought a red and white SP new in '83 after seeing one on the cover of Rider Magazine. I bought an aftermarket side stand quickly after purchasing the bike. Don't remember who made it. Not to be the harbinger of negative news, but some Guzzis of that vintage had soft clutch hubs. The clutch on mine started getting jerky and grabby at around 24K miles. Did a general overhaul at 30K miles and replaced the hub.
Kept the bike for nineteen years and 70K miles. Enjoy your new bike!
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2022, 01:02:52 PM »
I have the "budget" middle-mounted side stand arrangement that MG Cycle sells (above). My complaint about it is that the bike is positioned almost vertically, side-to-side, when it is on the stand. I had mine fall over when I'd just filled the tank at a gas pump on a slightly sloping surface. Most distressing. This same side stand arrangement on the bikes that came with it also positioned them too close to vertical, from what I've read. So I'd recommend looking into the Brown option instead.

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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2022, 01:41:05 PM »
An afterthought, maybe of some interest:

A self-retracting forward side stand was fitted to the 850 T that Motociclismo tested in March, 1974. The reviewers had no complaints, just saying "the side stand is equipped with a spring which ensures that it closes as soon as you set off, thus avoiding dangerous oversights."

But the 850-T3 that the same magazine tested in July, 1975, had a side stand that didn't retract automatically. The reviewers this time said, "To retract the side stand while in the saddle it is necessary to have a tentacular leg, given the very forward position of the stand itself. Automatic return would be preferable."

Very soon, the self-retracting stand came back: I believe all the production T3's had the old arrangement.
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2022, 03:44:30 PM »
I have the "budget" middle-mounted side stand arrangement that MG Cycle sells (above). My complaint about it is that the bike is positioned almost vertically, side-to-side, when it is on the stand. I had mine fall over when I'd just filled the tank at a gas pump on a slightly sloping surface. Most distressing. This same side stand arrangement on the bikes that came with it also positioned them too close to vertical, from what I've read. So I'd recommend looking into the Brown option instead.

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Variables such as tire size, fork dampers and springs and rear shock length play into this. One bike I installed the mid-mount stand on was at a perfect angle and another leaned over so far and I was worried that it would "low side" itself. I recently had a Le Mans 1000 in that had stock tire sizes and stock suspension - it fell into the "leans over too far" category.
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2022, 04:08:52 PM »
The side stand situation on the SP gets even more ridiculous if you have the fairing lowers installed as you need to clear that additional width while performing the lean and slight roll back to lock it in place. I too have been looking at the mentioned options. Just haven't made up my mind. The Brown side stand on my 1984 BMW was perfect and if the MG application were as effective as my BMW, it would be my preference. But there is that cost differential which is hard to ignore.
I have the big Convert style on my 850T and that is SOLID but not stylish for the SP.


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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2022, 04:32:21 PM »
  Please refer to post #9 . A hack saw , a drill and a tap and access to any welder ( or braze as I did ) and you've
got a custom fit one to your bike and your legs reach ! I must have $25.00 into it and maybe a couple of hours .
It's not hard , believe me , and yeah it's been on for over a decade .  Peter
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2022, 04:35:43 PM »
I had my SP for 20 years, and for the first 10, I hated each and every time I had to deploy the original side stand as you have. With a 32" inseam, I just could not reach it while straddling the bike; I had to get off to do it. Once standing next to the bike, I just went ahead and why bother; I used the center stand. I finally fixed the issue by retrofitting the LM IV mid mount side stand; I could finally deploy it without getting off the bike.

Also, I see that you have saddle bags on you SP. I also had them, and this is what almost happened with mine once, after putting 3 2-liter soda bottles in the left side bag while the bike was parked on the original side stand: the bike almost lost balance and fell on its left side! I caught it just before reaching the point of no return. The mid mount stand made sure of that never happening from that moment on.
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2022, 08:17:58 PM »
  Please refer to post #9 . A hack saw , a drill and a tap and access to any welder ( or braze as I did ) and you've
got a custom fit one to your bike and your legs reach ! I must have $25.00 into it and maybe a couple of hours .
It's not hard , believe me , and yeah it's been on for over a decade .  Peter
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Peter, did you say 2" of 1" round-bar (solid?)? Was that for the pivot point... and drilling for a socket-fit of the 5/8" roundstock? Some filing, obviously... 2"sounds shy of the mark.

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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2022, 08:34:33 AM »

For a mid-mount stand on a budget, MG Cycle offers (currently out of stock) this bracket. One reuses their stand "leg" and springs. Note that there are two spring anchor positions - one for self-retracting and the other the stand stays down until the rider puts it up.
https://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=73&products_id=5093

Glad to see  the current version  of the bracket allows 2 choices of springs placement.  The earlier ones did not.

Anyone have a picture of this on their bike?
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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2022, 08:50:23 AM »
  It was a quick fix to get around safety concerns from people driving off with the stands down and making left hand turns .
  At the time probably safer than using an Italian electrical switch to kill the ignition :evil: Peter

Correct found this in the owners manual

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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2022, 11:24:38 AM »
In the MG Cycle website they also have listed a mid mount kit. accompanying pictures show this bracket as part of the kit installed on a G5. Maybe not as distinct a picture of the bracket but hopefully will give you a better idea of the end result.



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Re: Kick Stand Question 1983 SP1000
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2022, 01:09:32 PM »
My response from the other thread.

I have a Brown side stand on my Mille, works OK, interferes with centerstand (must be deployed to use centerstand). I had the mid-mount Guzzi sidestand. The Brown and the Guzzi both leave the bike too upright for my taste. I shortened the Guzzi stand some but it still felt insecure, tucked under the bike too much when deployed, didn't feel trustworthy. The Brown being out farther from the bike feels more trustworthy but the bike remains too vertical for me. I might modify the Brown mounting bracket some to change the angle, just been too lazy so far. I bought my Brown used for a lot less than they want now. I don't like the forward mount California stands cause I'm short legged and cannot reach them without difficulty,  I do like the way they lean the bike, just right, looking to get that angle from a mid-mount sidestand. I also put a deployment peg midway along my Brown side stand for easier deployment.

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