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Title: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Rapier on June 06, 2021, 04:53:41 PM
I have never had a lift table and I am to the point I will be getting one and I was hoping I could get some opinions.
I have $1500 to spend, which will need to include shipping to residential.
I see the reviews but I do not have much frame of reference since I have never had one.
I have listed out the links of various tables (no real order) but I think I would get the Derek Weaver if I had to pick this minute.
My heaviest and longest current bike is the Moto Guzzi v7 iii Rough (~470lbs). Only one has a chain to service.
Thoughts?

https://www.derekweaver.com/bikers-garage/motorcycle-lifts/direct-lift-pro-cycle-droptail-motorcycle-lift/

https://www.handyindustries.com/product-page/standard-1200-air-lift

https://www.blackwidowpro.com/motorcycle/lifts/p/bw-1000a/

https://www.redlinestands.com/catalog/lifts-c-290/motorcycle-atv-lifts-c-290_110/lifting-tables-c-290_110_111/redline-hd1k-1000-lb-motorcycle-atv-lift-table-p-1482

http://www.completehydraulic.com/tcml.html

https://www.atlasautoequipment.com/products/lifts/motorcycle-lifts/cycle-lift

Thanks for the input!
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Huzo on June 06, 2021, 05:09:54 PM
Mine’s nothing special.
AUD $500, I dunno how I ever managed without it.
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Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: twodogs on June 06, 2021, 05:24:51 PM
I can't remember the the name of mine but it is just like the handy from Iowa but half the cost, it came out of Texas and I think it was 7 or 750 shipped to one of the freight places near me, then I just went and brought it home, it is heavy so take a friend or two, been trouble free for 12 years now and was the best investment I made for a bike  :boozing:
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Moto Vita on June 06, 2021, 05:51:00 PM
I have never had a lift table and I am to the point I will be getting one and I was hoping I could get some opinions.
I have $1500 to spend, which will need to include shipping to residential.
I see the reviews but I do not have much frame of reference since I have never had one.
I have listed out the links of various tables (no real order) but I think I would get the Derek Weaver if I had to pick this minute.
My heaviest and longest current bike is the Moto Guzzi v7 iii Rough (~470lbs). Only one has a chain to service.
Thoughts?

https://www.derekweaver.com/bikers-garage/motorcycle-lifts/direct-lift-pro-cycle-droptail-motorcycle-lift/

https://www.handyindustries.com/product-page/standard-1200-air-lift

https://www.blackwidowpro.com/motorcycle/lifts/p/bw-1000a/

https://www.redlinestands.com/catalog/lifts-c-290/motorcycle-atv-lifts-c-290_110/lifting-tables-c-290_110_111/redline-hd1k-1000-lb-motorcycle-atv-lift-table-p-1482

http://www.completehydraulic.com/tcml.html

https://www.atlasautoequipment.com/products/lifts/motorcycle-lifts/cycle-lift

Thanks for the input!

 Buy something quick! Steel prices are skyrocketing.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Dave Swanson on June 06, 2021, 06:37:07 PM
My choice was Handy 20 years ago.  It is the single most valuable tool I have purchased.  I am not sure what I would choose if I was in the market today, but I would still be in favor of something American made. 

Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Scout63 on June 06, 2021, 06:43:29 PM
The Handy is the one it seems more pros use and looks wonderful. I have the Redline with side panels and a Harbor Freight cheapie. The Redline is very heavy and hard to move around. The Harbor Freight was $299 with a coupon from a bike mag. In truth, the HF lift works just fine. I would watch Craigslist for a few weeks. I got the Redline with a nice front clamp for $500.00. Having two lifts is wonderful. I can have a project camped on one and do maintenance on the other.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: LongRanger on June 06, 2021, 06:54:01 PM
Take a look at the Kendon stand-up lift, too.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: cliffrod on June 06, 2021, 07:08:21 PM
If you have a place to park it permanently and the budget, a Handy Lift is what I would choose. 

If you have a typical small home shop and will need to move it around, it's hard to beat the basic Grazia-patterned red lift table from Harbor Freight or the like.  Not sure if anyone makes them outside of China anymore.  Hate to recommend that route, but it's a fully adequate table for 500lb-600lb range bikes. 
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: leroysch on June 06, 2021, 07:30:00 PM
More info to chew on.......

https://www.nhproequip.com/motorcycle-lifts


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Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Texas Turnip on June 06, 2021, 07:30:10 PM
I second the Handy Lift as I've had full dress Harleys on it. A dealer that I know very ell bought HF in the black color. Boy, howdy it didn't take him long to paint it grey as he could never find anything on the black color.

As I look back and  remember all the hours spent bent over or laying on the cement working on bikes I don't know how I did it.

Check with other pros and they might tell you that grey is the only color to have.

Enjoy a lift,
Tex
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 06, 2021, 07:33:48 PM
Take a look at the Kendon stand-up lift, too.

Those are very good quality and a lot lighter than many of the others.  I have one of those, but don't use it as often as I should.  Probably cause I am lazy.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 06, 2021, 07:44:53 PM
After 7 years with my HF foot pump lift last year I  decided to replace it. I knew I did not want another foot pump and air/hydraulic was out as  I didn't want to buy a 40 gallon compressor that would suck up more floor space and is noisy. My life is in and attached garage so I wanted to be able to operate it while not disturbing other in the house with a compressor running.

I had narrowed it down to the Redline electric/hydraulic and the Titan electric/hydraulic. Both were actually similar in price but the Titan also included side extension, 4 ramps (center ramp for the main lift and L/R ramps for the extensions and a ramp extender for lower bikes) It also included a front panel extension, two rigging/support poles and a solid dropout and a roller dropout.  The redline was only the main lift. Extensions were extra.

The Titan XLT-E has a 1500lb capacity and a deck height of 44 inches (11 inches higher then my HF lift). This actually made more of difference than I though it would. The HF lift while it did elevate the bike it always had it in a uncomfortable position for me. The Titan works great.

The bad news is the E/H lifts are above you budget and the Titan is now $500 more than last year but if you are figuring a air/hydraulic lift and do not have a compressor or and adequate compressor that's going to cost $300 to $500+ more. While a small compressor 5 or 10 gallon will work it will take 5 to 7 minutes or more to get the table to max height. Air lifts consume a lot of air. A 40 gallon is probably about minimum if you want to raise it with any speed and smoothness.

The E/H lift is smooth, quiet and fast. Something like 22 seconds from relaxed to full extension. Even a "smooth" operating air cylinder will still be a bit notchy. The electric is buttery smooth.

Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: dguzzi on June 07, 2021, 06:58:48 PM
  Mine was a freebie from work, 2000# American Lift Co.
  I would say watch the used equipment sites just in case (patience may be required)  I have seen things that would love to have in my garage/shop.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: moto on June 07, 2021, 09:23:03 PM
I bought a Handy lift 20 years ago and have been very happy with it. The version I have is powered by an electric motor, no hydraulics. As far as moving it around goes, if your floor is smooth the little dolly attachment they sell separately allows you to steer it around handily. Tee hee.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: kingoffleece on June 08, 2021, 03:55:42 AM
I have a Handy Lift with the extensions.  It's rock solid kit.  I paid 1200.00 years ago delivered to my door.  HEAVY sucker, it is.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Rapier on June 09, 2021, 07:00:50 PM
Thank you all so much for the recommendations and other lines to pursue!
I definitely need the assist these days as lying on concrete is not something my back and I agree on anymore ;)

I will be looking to get something before the end of Summer, so soon but it does not have to be today so I will keep an eye out on the sales and used market.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: kingoffleece on June 09, 2021, 09:46:33 PM
Almost anything made of steel is up quite a bit now.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Tom H on June 09, 2021, 11:03:05 PM
Steel?? Have you looked at good old plywood. 1/2" 4X8 the cheap stuff. $70 where I'm at. Crimeny

Tom
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: kingoffleece on June 10, 2021, 05:14:32 AM
Yep.
A McMansion build last fall was 69K for lumber-this spring 179K.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 10, 2021, 06:20:39 AM
Picked up my "open box" HF lift for $200.  Added straight ramps on the sides to make it easer to ride a bike up on it.  Added a HF wheel chock.  All in for about $300.  I won't put my Harley on it although I know some who do.


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Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: sidecarnutz on June 11, 2021, 01:45:14 PM
My wife bought me the HF bike lift about 9 years ago for fathers day. Still works like a champ. Great tool for $300.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: bacongrease on June 11, 2021, 04:00:23 PM
 I got the HF when they were going for $199. works good for me.  Also,  It makes a good tool table.   :rolleyes:  I have had the Harley on it and some Hondas, but not the Stone.

I do most of my work sitting on a Home Depot bucket.   :boozing:
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: AJ Huff on June 11, 2021, 04:34:32 PM
I found this guy searching Facebook Marketplace. All I know. Dont know anything about the shops. .might be helpful for someone in the WI area.

http://briansrepairables.com/#!/titan (http://briansrepairables.com/#!/titan)

-AJ
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Rapier on June 12, 2021, 03:15:42 PM
I have narrowed it down to two options; interestingly neither was on my original list. Both are pneumatic and hydraulic:

https://www.derekweaver.com/bikers-garage/motorcycle-lifts/weaver-w-1000-motorcycle-lift/

https://www.redlinestands.com/catalog/lifts-c-290/motorcycle-atv-lifts-c-290_110/lifting-tables-c-290_110_111/redline-ld1k-1000-lb-light-duty-motorcycle-lift-table-p-2534


ANyone have any good / bad stories on either?
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Moto Vita on June 12, 2021, 03:42:04 PM
I have narrowed it down to two options; interestingly neither was on my original list. Both are pneumatic and hydraulic:

https://www.derekweaver.com/bikers-garage/motorcycle-lifts/weaver-w-1000-motorcycle-lift/

https://www.redlinestands.com/catalog/lifts-c-290/motorcycle-atv-lifts-c-290_110/lifting-tables-c-290_110_111/redline-ld1k-1000-lb-light-duty-motorcycle-lift-table-p-2534


ANyone have any good / bad stories on either?

 #2 on your list says "sold out" and i assume comes from China. When/if it becomes available it will probably be more expensive. If the other one is available you might want to order it immediately.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Brand X on June 12, 2021, 05:28:42 PM
I have ordered from both companies, and had zero issues. I did get hit with a shipping surcharge to the PNW from Redlinestands....(after i ordered it on-line with free shipping )
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 12, 2021, 06:23:36 PM
I think you're in NC? If you are willing to travel a little there is a hell of a deal on a Titan foot pump hydraulic 1500lb table with all the trimmings for $650 in Northern VA. 

The 650lb weight is with all the trimmings. Two men could load the base lift onto a lower deck trailer. Jack it up and crib it then back the trailer under it until it just over the lip. Then ether brute force it on or buy a cheap cable come-a-long from HF and ratchet it on. Wife and I off loaded mine from the bed of a pick-up.

It'll save me from adding another to the over crowded garage.

https://advrider.com/f/threads/titan-1500-motorcycle-lift-table-northern-virginia.1506552/
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: John A on June 12, 2021, 08:39:05 PM
More info https://youtu.be/90eAeAfTaoc
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: not-fishing on June 12, 2021, 10:07:01 PM
My Kendon is an OK lift, no squeezer up front, I have to pump it up but it only cost me $250 used and I can stand it up when not in use.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 13, 2021, 05:39:51 AM
My Kendon is an OK lift, no squeezer up front, I have to pump it up but it only cost me $250 used and I can stand it up when not in use.

I think the Kenda fold up lift is a lot like quick detach panniers. At 1st it seems like it something you need and cannot live without then realize you rarely use.

I really never understood the Kenda as folded up it actually can take up more room than if you just park the bike on the lift when not in use. So if you park the bike in the garage it still takes up space.  Now fold the lift up and store against the wall its taking up more floor and now wall space. The narrowness of the Kenda and the trip hazard of the stabilization/tip over bar on the floor were also detractors for me. I prefer the deck be as wide or wider than the base to eliminate the trip hazard.



Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Brand X on June 13, 2021, 08:20:50 AM
The narrowness of the Kenda and the trip hazard of the stabilization/tip over bar on the floor were also detractors for me. I prefer the deck be as wide or wider than the base to eliminate the trip hazard.

Stabilization of the bike is also a consideration. I use my mid rise car lift as my motorcycle/ ATV lift. Any size bike is not going move on it no matter how I pull of tug on it.  I can lift full size diesel pickup's on it, or two large motorcycles of any size.. A UTV is also a piece of cake.. Single purpose motorcycle lift is way too limiting overall for me. Having the option to turn it into a fab table is also a nice feature in a smaller space.There are lots of lift options that can work well for a versatile overall setup.. The 5K mill was a piece of cake..


 
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Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 13, 2021, 08:34:34 AM
Probably 80% of the time my lift is used for other than motorcycles. During the day it is my garage desk then after hours it turned into the bar.  For cookouts its covered with a table cloth and used as a picnic table or another flat surface to set food trays on.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: twodogs on June 13, 2021, 11:56:05 AM
LOL, plus 1 :boozing:
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: twowheeladdict on June 13, 2021, 09:19:28 PM
Probably 80% of the time my lift is used for other than motorcycles. During the day it is my garage desk then after hours it turned into the bar.  For cookouts its covered with a table cloth and used as a picnic table or another flat surface to set food trays on.

Mine is always in the up position until I lower it to load a bike.  Makes a good work surface when not working on bikes.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: guzziart on June 15, 2021, 08:32:07 AM
FWIW, I've had the HF table for about 6 years now.  It's fine for what I need it to do.  It was $299 with a coupon.  The wheel vise was terrible so I replaced it with something from JP Cycle for another $89.  It is easy to roll around even with a bike on it. The table also does double duty as a make shift workbench occasionally when there's no bike on it.  I have used Handy lifts, they're great but didn't want to spend that much for a home use unit or have to get a BF air compressor.


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Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 15, 2021, 08:51:17 AM
Take a look at the Kendon stand-up lift, too.

I had one briefly. Didn't find it to be particularly useful. Hard to do much more than just maintenance and cleaning on it.

Three HF lifts of different types in the shop now and I'd have a fourth if there as room.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: cliffrod on June 15, 2021, 09:02:51 AM
FWIW, I've had the HF table for about 6 years now.  It's fine for what I need it to do.  It was $299 with a coupon.  The wheel vise was terrible so I replaced it with something from JP Cycle for another $89.  It is easy to roll around even with a bike on it. The table also does double duty as a make shift workbench occasionally when there's no bike on it.  I have used Handy lifts, they're great but didn't want to spend that much for a home use unit or have to get a BF air compressor.


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It's a good idea is to add a brace across the table underneath a better wheel vise like this one.  The table will flex somewhat whenever you clamp the wheel & tire, eventually bend and make it tough to securely clamp a front wheel.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: MGrego on June 15, 2021, 11:41:09 AM
Here's a cautionary tale about a bike on a lift. 

I had my Honda Sabre on the lift (Handy pneumatic type),  front wheel in the wheel chock, and 4 ancra straps added for stability.  Two on the front forks, and 2 on the rear grab rail.  I was removing the bank of 4 carbs which is a PITA on that bike by the way.  I went in the house that evening leaving the bike on the lift.  Overnight, unknown to me, the front tire was slowly deflating. Apparently this allowed the bike to "sag" to one side enough to get the center of gravity far enough to the side to toppel the lift.  When I went back in my shop the next morning, the Honda and lift were laid on their side,  the Sabre still secured to the lift! However, on the way down,  the tank got crushed by the edge of my workbench.....  my spirits were crushed too !  Beware tires with slow leaks left on lifts.
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: Perazzimx14 on June 16, 2021, 11:48:29 AM
Keep and eye out used one do pop up from time to time. Buddy and I are going to WV this evening to pick up a Titan 1500XTL with all the trimmings in excellent shape for about a 1/3rd of new.  Ultimately going to TN for another buddy who's been wanting to move up from his HF lift. Like George and Wheezy he's moving up to a deluxe unit for short money :thumb:




Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: guzziart on June 18, 2021, 08:40:00 AM
It's a good idea is to add a brace across the table underneath a better wheel vise like this one.  The table will flex somewhat whenever you clamp the wheel & tire, eventually bend and make it tough to securely clamp a front wheel.

Hey Cliffrod,

Thanks for the info, I'll check it out!

Art
Title: Re: Getting a lift table; opinions
Post by: cliffrod on June 18, 2021, 10:58:07 AM
Hey Cliffrod,

Thanks for the info, I'll check it out!

Art

Always glad to help a guy with the same first name as me.... But Gramp went by Art or Arthur, so I never really did.

The HF lift up at the shop has suffered & tolerated a lot without any issues, but it's no match for the Handy-style wheel vise.  The more it flexed, the more it got flexed.  Not cool.   It's much better with a brace

I've got an old Grazia lift table, the inspiration for the HF table, and decided against a wheel vise.  I installed a removable Pingel wheel chock- drilled two pairs small & large holes, then slotted between them to make the keyhole for mount holes. I drilled one more hole for the securing bolt.   Makes it easy for me to remove the chock to use table for other things, like lifting and rolling a bike onto a static wooden resto table.