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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #90 on: March 21, 2023, 05:16:57 PM »
Since the book calls for 10w60, I use it.  It is only 2 quarts anyway so I figure it must be important.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #91 on: March 21, 2023, 07:13:12 PM »
How about this one ?  Is this good stuff ?




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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #92 on: March 22, 2023, 09:16:04 AM »
That's knew it, not new it.  :police:
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #93 on: March 22, 2023, 09:27:44 PM »
An oil thread, and only four pages ?


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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #94 on: March 23, 2023, 07:40:43 AM »
10-50 Motul was the only thing even close that was available locally. correction, you say NAPA Carrie’s 10-60.. I’ll use that next time. The Motul was a pretty big investment so I’m not draining it when new.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #95 on: March 23, 2023, 09:18:17 AM »
https://youtu.be/eeb2D5zYFdo
A good video on racing oil.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #96 on: March 23, 2023, 10:34:03 AM »
The entire site is helpful.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #97 on: March 23, 2023, 01:54:55 PM »
At 110K on a 3 year old 98 EV I had the oil analized with 3,500 miles on the oil and 10K on the filter. It said it was good only the sulphur was high and I should change the oil. I used to take connecting rod sleeves to rallies and show what they looked like at over 1ooK. You could hardly see the wear. "Why did you change them?" I was asked. Only so you could see how little wear there was.

Racing data doesn't prove squat to me. I'm not running the motor at max rpm. I want my motors to last 100K plus and many of them have.

Now why did I waste my time on this post?
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #98 on: March 23, 2023, 02:10:54 PM »
Huzo if you read this , throw that god awful jacket in the bin .  :evil:
I only had it made as a bit of a joke for Mandello last year.
I could have sold it many times on that trip for a MAJOR profit but clearly did not. I think it reflected my character in that it eschews any form of gratuitous self promotion and carries itself with a understated and quiet dignity… :rolleyes:
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #99 on: March 23, 2023, 02:13:51 PM »
How do we really know that's not a deep fake you made up, while siting on your bed in your mom's basement?
Not possible, his Mom doesn’t have a basement…

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #100 on: March 23, 2023, 02:15:50 PM »
I new it!!   Maybe now you can admit that the world isn't round too, you ratbas@rd!   :wink: :wink:
Actually it’s spherical or more correctly, oblate.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #101 on: March 24, 2023, 11:51:22 AM »


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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #102 on: August 16, 2023, 01:20:49 AM »
A question, the manual to newer Guzzis says 10W60 MA classed oil. Cant see the reason to use MA classed oil in a engine with dry clutch, or am i wrong?  :lipsrsealed:
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #103 on: August 16, 2023, 05:54:23 AM »
A question, the manual to newer Guzzis says 10W60 MA classed oil. Cant see the reason to use MA classed oil in a engine with dry clutch, or am i wrong?  :lipsrsealed:

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #104 on: August 16, 2023, 01:50:41 PM »
My bike is a 2018 model. Or rather, a 2017 first registered in 2018. I have no clue when it had its first service, because the service book is missing. It could have been in 2018 or in 2020. Between 2018 and 2022, the original owner rode the bike 2500 km, or 1600 miles. Sometime in between, the bike had its first service. It has not been serviced since.

The second owner had the bike for a year and added another 1700 km, or a bit over 1000 miles. Since I picked up the bike in June 3, this year, I have increased the overall mileage from 4200 km / 2600 miles to 7400 km / 4600 miles, limited because the bike has sat for 6 weeks.

Today, I had planned to change the oil. I know it is not due until another 2600 km / 1700 miles based on mileage, but considering its potential age of 5 years I thought it prudent. However, after checking the oil on the dipstick and how it felt between my fingers, I feel comfortable keeping it in there until the bike has reached 10000 km. To me, it looks to be in great condition.

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #105 on: August 16, 2023, 02:52:42 PM »
Don't cheap out! Change all the oils and oil filter and search for all the threads on the right quantiies for the rear end especially. There is a screen in the 6 speed also.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #106 on: August 16, 2023, 04:10:29 PM »
It's not about the money, it's just that it is not needed yet IMO. I will replace brake fluid, engine oil and -filter, rear diff oil and gearbox oil at the end of the season when the bike has reached 10k km.

EDIT: I already have oil for two changes and two oil filters sitting on the shelf.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #107 on: August 17, 2023, 06:16:33 AM »
Don't forget fork oil.  You'll be amazed at what comes out even with low mileage.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #108 on: August 17, 2023, 06:56:55 AM »
Absolutely! Fork oil will wear out in as little as a few hundred miles in racing, and within 3-5000 miles during brisk street riding. I changed the fork oil on my son's MT-07 after 4500 miles, it is was really dirty. That is due to poor build tolerances causing too much abrasion, but now after 23k miles the oil is finally beginning to clear up between changes. The fork on my Guzzi, which have led a gentle life, perform with a minimum of friction, and damping is still well controlled, so I will replace it when I do the engine-, gearbox- and final drive oils plus both brakes at 6200 miles / 10kkm.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #109 on: August 17, 2023, 09:03:01 AM »
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It's not about the money, it's just that it is not needed yet IMO.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that..
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considering its potential age of 5 years I thought it prudent

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Go with your first thought.  :smiley:
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #110 on: August 17, 2023, 03:04:23 PM »
Nah, I think we just have to agree to disagree  :grin:
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #111 on: August 17, 2023, 09:53:41 PM »
Don't forget fork oil.  You'll be amazed at what comes out even with low mileage.

You mean the fork oil in my 1979 XS1100 with 130K miles should be changed?!?!?!?!! (not gonna mention the Guzzis's but I have never changed fork oil unless it needed seals)...... I know, I am an abuser.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #112 on: August 17, 2023, 10:07:46 PM »
When I lived back east I would spend a lot of time at Hamlin's shop during visits to assist in any way and mostly learn.  I did assist on lots of fork rebuilds and RaceTech mods.
One just can't believe how much aluminum "dust" is present in fork oil.  The springs rub against the inner surface like there's no tomorrow and rather quickly contaminate the oil.
It's downright ugly and I've seen it dozens of times.  After I cleaned everything up I'd see how Jim would reassemble stock forks for much reduced wear.  There's only so much c that can be accomplished with OEM forks but Jim knows every workaround.  It was a real eye opener and a great learning experience to boot.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #113 on: August 18, 2023, 12:53:29 AM »
And the smell of old fork oil is just  :violent1:

Yes, those who know what they are doing will shim fork bearings to perfection, and even ream the outer legs for the final thousands of perfection, and/or grind the stanchions to perfect dimensions. I am not at the level, nor do I have the tools. But I have learned tons by following Dave Moss (paying member) over many, many years, which have encourage me to experiment by cutting springs for making them stiffer, try different oil viscosities, drill the damper rods to alter the ratio between compression and rebound, fit DDC or emulator valves etc. It is amazing how much you can tailor the ride to your needs without spending a ton of money, but be willing to experiment. I am not a perfectionist by any means, but your butt and your tires will tell if you are in the ballpark.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #114 on: September 12, 2023, 01:25:10 PM »
Just a heads up that Amsoil has a new European 10W-60 auto motor oil that might be an option for the our bikes that call for it.  Not MA/MA2 rated but I understand we don't need that.  I did call Amsoil and they said they do not recommend it because it was not formulated for an air cooled motorcycle.  But, the TBN is like 50% higher than their 10W/60 dirt bike oil.  Not sure what harm it would cause giving it a shot?

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #115 on: September 12, 2023, 02:01:21 PM »
Seriously.  NOT trying to be a smarta** here at all.  But, the manufacture says "not for air cooled".  Isn't that the end of it?
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #116 on: September 12, 2023, 02:16:43 PM »
Seriously.  NOT trying to be a smarta** here at all.  But, the manufacture says "not for air cooled".  Isn't that the end of it?

You've been around here long enough to know the answer to that question, when it comes to this mob.

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #117 on: September 12, 2023, 02:40:13 PM »
That's one guy on the phone who may not grasp the concept of wet clutch / dry clutch.  So, smartypants, what specific characteristics of the oil in a top of the line synthetic would preclude it's use in an air cooled motor vs liquid cooled motor????  Hmmmm?

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #118 on: September 12, 2023, 04:17:43 PM »
Seriously.  NOT trying to be a smarta** here at all.  But, the manufacture says "not for air cooled".  Isn't that the end of it?

You got almost 4,000 posts here!  You should know by now that "Isn't that the end of it?" is a question no one here will ever take seriously!

OIL THREADS NEVER END!

I know that is obvious, but someone had to say it!   :wink:

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #119 on: September 12, 2023, 04:25:16 PM »
Just a heads up that Amsoil has a new European 10W-60 auto motor oil that might be an option for the our bikes that call for it.  Not MA/MA2 rated but I understand we don't need that.  I did call Amsoil and they said they do not recommend it because it was not formulated for an air cooled motorcycle.  But, the TBN is like 50% higher than their 10W/60 dirt bike oil.  Not sure what harm it would cause giving it a shot?

You gave up waaaaaay too early.  Scientists love to answer questions!  The more the better.

I woulda had to ask him:
Can I use it in a DC motor?
How bout an AC motor?
Outboard? 
Inboard?

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