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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1290 on: March 09, 2023, 08:49:18 AM »
Reminds me of the time three of us were getting gas in Salmon Idaho on the way to the Broken Arrow Rendezvous. A guy pulled in on an older California, AFAICR, and about fell over when he saw three Guzzis in the same place. He was on a Four Corners tour. He was coming from Virginia and had yet to see another Guzzi anywhere.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1291 on: March 09, 2023, 09:08:01 AM »
question for the techies amoung us:

what is replaced when resetting the valves on this new engine?  With no shims, does that mean the rocker arm is the wear item?



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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1292 on: March 09, 2023, 09:19:10 AM »
question for the techies amoung us:

what is replaced when resetting the valves on this new engine?  With no shims, does that mean the rocker arm is the wear item?

I think there was discussion here regarding shim replacement.  cams come out.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1293 on: March 09, 2023, 09:48:14 AM »
I think there was discussion here regarding shim replacement.  cams come out.

I'm not seeing them in the art rendering



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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1293 on: March 09, 2023, 09:48:14 AM »

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1294 on: March 09, 2023, 10:00:04 AM »
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1295 on: March 09, 2023, 10:52:00 AM »
thanks Blackcat. 
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1296 on: March 09, 2023, 11:58:50 AM »


In the second photo, the tan cam chain tensioners appear to be plastic. IIRC, BMW did this on some boxer engines, and they eventually break down.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1297 on: March 09, 2023, 12:47:20 PM »
Better view:

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1298 on: March 09, 2023, 01:41:32 PM »
and 15 grand buys you a motor with plastic parts

hmmm

I just wasn't made for these times

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1299 on: March 09, 2023, 01:51:06 PM »
Huzo is spot on.  I have spent loads of time at Hamlin's Shop.  He's one of the very best, if not top dog.  And the shop is for real world everyday riders.  But then again, you never see posers at a Guzzi shop anyway.
It's the only thing I'll miss with my move west from the northeast.  My two times a year visits to Hamlin's, not to mention the weekend rides we enjoyed over the years. Hamlin customers feel the same about him as I read here how folks feel about Carde.  Real shame so many have never experienced great dealers like those two.  Guzzi brass should kiss them where the sun don't shine!
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1300 on: March 09, 2023, 02:12:38 PM »
In the second photo, the tan cam chain tensioners appear to be plastic. IIRC, BMW did this on some boxer engines, and they eventually break down.

Replace the tensioners at each valve adjustment.   :wink:
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1301 on: March 09, 2023, 02:44:11 PM »
Those are the plastic chain guides, the tensioner is the metal round cylinder behind the one guide.

chain guides are plastic in just about every car and motorcycle engine I can think of.  They've been used in millions of engines just fine.   The 217hp RSV4 has plastic guides too

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1302 on: March 09, 2023, 02:47:30 PM »
Those are the plastic chain guides, the tensioner is the metal round cylinder behind the one guide.

chain guides are plastic in just about every car and motorcycle engine I can think of.  They've been used in millions of engines just fine.   The 217hp RSV4 has plastic guides too

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1303 on: March 09, 2023, 02:48:54 PM »
and 15 grand buys you a motor with plastic parts

hmmm

I just wasn't made for these times

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1304 on: March 09, 2023, 05:00:41 PM »
That whole process seems to make valve adjustments much more of a complex event than current engines.  At first glance, doesn't seem to be something one can do easily enough at home.  Special tools required, magnets?  hhmmm...
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1305 on: March 09, 2023, 06:33:05 PM »
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1306 on: March 09, 2023, 07:02:55 PM »
Hard to beat screw and locknut.  One of the bigger pluses of Guzzi ownership.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1307 on: March 09, 2023, 07:37:42 PM »
That whole process seems to make valve adjustments much more of a complex event than current engines.  At first glance, doesn't seem to be something one can do easily enough at home.  Special tools required, magnets?  hhmmm...

for sure you'll need to get the right sized shims, which you won't know until you do the adjustment.

I know there's a Ducati service that supplies a kit of tools, consumables and a video that can be rented for a few weeks.  The consumables are charged and taken out of the deposit.  Frankly, it's more than I would attempt.  It's another story to do a hands on session with someone and then try. 

I think the service interval is 15k miles.  For many brands of bikes, it's a common belief that after the first adjustment, that follow-ons aren't always necessary unless the bike is run especially hard.  jus sayin......   My Duc is the first bike, I've owned with shim adjusters, so I really have no experience. 

Here's another situation I've read about on other forums.  About half of the posters say at first service that 3 or 4 valves need to be adjusted, half the responders say none.  I have to wonder about the later group, whether any check was actually done or perhaps both groups? 
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1308 on: March 09, 2023, 07:59:25 PM »
That whole process seems to make valve adjustments much more of a complex event than current engines.  At first glance, doesn't seem to be something one can do easily enough at home.  Special tools required, magnets?  hhmmm...

Yes, but 15,000 mile interval helps.  My Ducati friends keep a bunch of shims on hand.

But, it's amazing how few adjustments are needed on modern bikes
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1309 on: March 10, 2023, 09:21:24 AM »
My son has known Jim since years b4 Jim opened his shop. He's coming back to CT later this month; to visit dear ol' dad. Hoping the timing will work. Can't call my son a Guzzi guy, but he's a terrific mechanic and knows a few of Jim's 'owners' and a bunch of New England MG fanatics. 
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1310 on: March 10, 2023, 01:46:51 PM »
At this time I plan to attend a weather prevailing that is hope to see you there

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1311 on: March 10, 2023, 02:26:32 PM »
I plan to come up from Jersey.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1312 on: March 10, 2023, 02:36:38 PM »
Show of hands. Anyone else experiencing a bit of ambiguity from Moto Guzzi on their pre-order? Back in early November when I put my order in I received two emails in quick succession from Moto Guzzi USA/Canada confirming my pre-order. I made the order at the dealership and ordered some accessories at that time as well as I wanted everything on the bike when I picked it up. The dealer told me at that time to expect the bike in March and that I would receive an email from Moto Guzzi a few weeks before it arrives letting me know when to expect it. The dealer also said they will notify me when they get confirmation that it is in route to them and they would then call me.
Well, I have yet to get notice from Moto Guzzi that my bike is on the way But I have been notified by the dealer that they are expecting it in the next week or so.
I am super excited as I thought my order may had been placed to late to make the first batch of arrivals for North America. I incredulously asked the dealer if they were certain my bike was in route as I haven't received the delivery confirmation from Moto Guzzi yet. They thought that was odd but assured me that my bike was state side and on the way.
Just wanted to see if anyone else here has had a similar experience.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1313 on: March 11, 2023, 12:41:14 AM »
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That whole process seems to make valve adjustments much more of a complex event than current engines.  At first glance, doesn't seem to be something one can do easily enough at home.  Special tools required, magnets?  hhmmm...   

If I'm not mistaken, you only have to pull the cams and all that stuff when the valves are out of tolerance. They are checked with feeler gage to find the gap. If you do have to adjust them then yeah, it's more complicated than the "screw and lock nut". At 102K miles, all 8 of my valves, shim and bucket, were still in spec from the factory. It is a Honda.   :wink:

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1314 on: March 11, 2023, 04:28:07 PM »
Show of hands. Anyone else experiencing a bit of ambiguity from Moto Guzzi on their pre-order? Back in early November when I put my order in I received two emails in quick succession from Moto Guzzi USA/Canada confirming my pre-order. I made the order at the dealership and ordered some accessories at that time as well as I wanted everything on the bike when I picked it up. The dealer told me at that time to expect the bike in March and that I would receive an email from Moto Guzzi a few weeks before it arrives letting me know when to expect it. The dealer also said they will notify me when they get confirmation that it is in route to them and they would then call me.
Well, I have yet to get notice from Moto Guzzi that my bike is on the way But I have been notified by the dealer that they are expecting it in the next week or so.
I am super excited as I thought my order may had been placed to late to make the first batch of arrivals for North America. I incredulously asked the dealer if they were certain my bike was in route as I haven't received the delivery confirmation from Moto Guzzi yet. They thought that was odd but assured me that my bike was state side and on the way.
Just wanted to see if anyone else here has had a similar experience.

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Mystery solved! Maybe.

Spoke with the folks in the parts department and we suspect I haven't  been notified by Moto Guzzi USA/Canada because a couple of items I ordered haven't shipped yet. I guess the hang up is there is a difference between the European bags and DOT bags for the U.S. market. Apparently the DOT approved bags will have reflectors? So those of us who ordered luggage straight away in the U.S. market may have to wait. I also ordered engine guards and the fellow at the parts counter doesn't exactly know where they are at. He said the Guzzi web site has three different symbols for status. Red, green, and a truck icon. Well the engine guards have the truck icon next to it. The rest of the accessories I ordered have already arrived and my bike is expected to be there in the next week.
Kind of bummed about not having the luggage on it when I pick it up though.

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1315 on: March 11, 2023, 05:15:17 PM »
Congrats on the new bike, which dealer did you order it from?
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1316 on: March 11, 2023, 06:12:06 PM »
Well this guy gets it.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1317 on: March 11, 2023, 08:03:07 PM »
Congrats on the new bike, which dealer did you order it from?

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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1318 on: March 12, 2023, 06:07:10 AM »
Well this guy gets it.
https://youtu.be/njhOQc4-iOo

Well yes.  And no.  Spite is one of the many YouTube bloggers I follow.  Like most of the ones I subscribe to, he’s good entertainment - and formerly a part of Yammie Noob - and yes, he recently was pretty matter of fact about how much better the V85 is than an Urban GS ridden back to back.  But.  In this same video he also agrees with a commenter about the lack of oomph from the V85TT and openly wonders “Why would Guzzi put such a boring engine in that [V85] bike”. So he at least adores the V100 and that’s a pretty good indication of how this bike might attract new riders to the brand, but I don’t know if I’d say he “gets it” so much when it comes to Guzzis in general.  But who cares really.  Hoping they can sell a bundle of them.
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Re: V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest
« Reply #1319 on: March 12, 2023, 10:27:47 AM »
How do these rambling "stream of consciousness" so-called reviewers get these gigs?  The professionals must have moved on to other things.
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