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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2018, 01:59:02 PM »
if it has tube-type wheels (which most feel it does) I probably won't even consider one.... The other thing is I feel it would be intelligent to give this new bike a couple years.
Is it a foregone conclusion that it won't have tubeless/blind nipples..?
Also there's a school of thought that says..
If we all act "intelligently" and wait a couple of years, Guzzi will be producing flat pack kitchens in Mandello 'cos they'll have sold about four units..!

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2018, 02:59:54 PM »
Who wants to act intelligently?

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2018, 03:13:23 PM »
Who wants to act intelligently?
Yeah.
I've managed to avoid doing it for most of my life.
Although I appreciate the spirit of the comment regarding a "wait and see approach", the problem will be that there'll be a host of potential buyers standing around with their knees knocking, packing their dacks at the thought of buying a dud.
Just jump in and learn to swim.
It appears that the motive unit/drive train is relatively proven, albeit with some changes to the lubrication system, but really just bloody well do it.
Every man and his dog was bleating about Guzzi not releasing anything worth having and now that it looks like they might have, the so called stalwarts are looking sheepish and rubbing the backs of their necks in rueful indecision.
All this crap about
"I wish it had analogue tach"
"Don't like tubes"
"Shitty colour" (one of mine..)
"Seat too high"
"Price might not be right...!"
What a crock..! Just buy one and support the so called.."Beloved Marque"
Or don't dare grizzle your gutses out on this forum about Guzzi going arse up..!
I may very well be attending a wake at Lake Como in 2021 for the 100 th..
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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2018, 03:17:26 PM »
The pictures I've seen show the V85TT with the same Alpina tubless spoked wheels as the Griso, Stelvio, and Eldo have...


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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2018, 03:17:26 PM »

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2018, 03:18:36 PM »

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2018, 03:26:39 PM »
I may very well be attending a wake at Lake Como in 2021 for the 100 th..

Excellent humorous post Huzo...I can see you there in Mandello cringing at the moment...where are all the bastards!

Buying a new Guzzi once every 10 years isn't going to cut it to keep the marque alive.

Thankfully there are 100's more folks out there who will buy, but don't post on the forum...

With 3 lovely Guzzis (2002, 2008 and 2015) in the garage at the moment, I love the look of the new bike, but I'm not going to buy one unless I trim the fleet or expand the garage which would then consume the budget for a new bike, and neither of those are going to happen in the near future unless I move to Europe and can't take the bikes with me.

On the other hand, it is a beautiful bike, so I might just have to make room in the garage somehow!   :thumb: :thumb:

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2018, 04:41:02 PM »
I hear you Huzo.   I have been a Guzzista since 1999.  We all know Guzzi missis the mark sometimes.  What I and anyone else paying attention has seen, is that when Guzzi hits the mark, or at least close to it, the "typical Guzzi old man", of which there are many here, comes up with a bath tub full of reasons why they would buy one, "if only..."

Guzzi attracts, among others, cheap old men, who wear cheap as a badge of honnor.   That's not a terrible thing, who wants to spend more than they need to?  But Piaggio, for all their short comings, is aware that the old Guzzi crowd, the crowd that over here says, right or wrong, "without MGNOC Guzzi would have never made it in the USA", are not the going to buy very many new bikes, they love their T3 to the grave!!!   

The future is, as always, going to turn out different from what we expect.   I hope there are lots of good Guzzi to chose from along the way!
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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2018, 04:55:49 PM »
Both fair enough posts by anyone's standards.
As for the "imperfections" in Guzzies, I'm a relative newcomer by comparison. Some of the blokes here gave been Guzzisti since Christ died, so I don't presume to preach..
But..
I only have 2 Guzzies Norge and Mk2, but I look towards them as personalities with the consequent blemishes that a personality brings, good and not so.
My Norge is like a good friend who sometimes lets me down slightly but doesn't really mean to, it's just the cloth from which she's been cut , but rarely has she done anything wrong that I did not have some input into.
Now whilst the above sounds (and probably is) a bit fanciful, it is certainly the way she makes me feel, (as the great philosopher Michael Jackson once said) and it's how they make us feel that drives the hungry machine.
A Guzzi is your chosen friend that works with you.
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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2018, 06:01:09 PM »
Philosophy and brand loyalty completely (ok, nearly) aside for just a minute.
Looks like a good motorbike to me
Just announced  21 litre tank ticking one of my boxes
Just announced 225Kg weight not really ticking another, just hoping that is the one with all the metal boxes for the charlie and ewan kitchen sink set with a tank of fuel.
If the "naked" one is what it should be I might but no pre order from me, prefer to swap cash for bike not a promise.
Weight minus the cat, the abs pump and prob one disc/caliper should be in my acceptable range.

Really hoping it is actually production ready but seeing is believing

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2018, 06:19:27 PM »
Where did the weight get announced?  All the info I saw from Intermot was speculation by the writer/videographer.  The one clip that interviewed a MG rep, he explicitly said that info will be published later. 

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2018, 06:40:33 PM »
Looks good to me. Looking forward to seeing it in person and a ride.

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2018, 06:51:55 PM »
Both fair enough posts by anyone's standards.
As for the "imperfections" in Guzzies, I'm a relative newcomer by comparison. Some of the blokes here gave been Guzzisti since Christ died, so I don't presume to preach..
But..
I only have 2 Guzzies Norge and Mk2, but I look towards them as personalities with the consequent blemishes that a personality brings, good and not so.
My Norge is like a good friend who sometimes lets me down slightly but doesn't really mean to, it's just the cloth from which she's been cut , but rarely has she done anything wrong that I did not have some input into.
Now whilst the above sounds (and probably is) a bit fanciful, it is certainly the way she makes me feel, (as the great philosopher Michael Jackson once said) and it's how they make us feel that drives the hungry machine.
A Guzzi is your chosen friend that works with you.
A BMW 1200 RT is something that works FOR you.
Does that sound like crap..? (Someone'll answer "YES")


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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2018, 08:12:46 PM »
Are any US dealers taking deposits?  The local dealer here does not list the V85.  If I call him, I doubt that he will know what I’m talking about.

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2018, 09:44:03 PM »

Bikes are just a means to being in the wind for me.  I do not get attached to the machine. 
Hmmm..
That's kinda' strange considering you're a twowheeladdict...!
Sort of like an addict that can stop any time he wants to I'm guessing.
Never actually met one 'till now.. :wink:

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2018, 10:55:15 PM »
"Who'll pull the trigger on a V85?"

Not me.

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2018, 11:09:36 PM »
Hmmm..
That's kinda' strange considering you're a twowheeladdict...!
Sort of like an addict that can stop any time he wants to I'm guessing.
Never actually met one 'till now.. :wink:

He's just addicted to the wheels. Everything upstream of that is just filler.

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2018, 07:12:13 AM »
I'm a maybe. Is the skid plate metal or faux metal plastic?
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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2018, 07:42:00 AM »
"Who'll pull the trigger on a V85?"

Not me.

Bob

Come on Bob!!   

I wonder if All Seasons will get one in..   :wink:

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2018, 07:57:27 AM »
All Seasons will get one ——-mine.


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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2018, 08:40:03 AM »
I hear you get a better deal if you wait a couple days before going into the shop.   :cool:

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #50 on: October 05, 2018, 12:47:14 PM »
Hmmm..
That's kinda' strange considering you're a twowheeladdict...!
Sort of like an addict that can stop any time he wants to I'm guessing.
Never actually met one 'till now.. :wink:

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2018, 05:22:50 PM »
I do like the concept, and as ADV bikes go, it's not ugly.
I don't ride gravel (or worse) roads enough to need an ADV bike, so, I prefer to have more road oriented bikes in my stable.
So, put me in the waiting for the other V85 variants group.

That said, much like the cool new FTR1200, and the Harley 975 Streetfighter when it comes out, the biggest thing keeping me from buying any of them is that I'm very happy with the current fleet of bikes that I have, and definitely have enough modern bikes that I'd need to let one go to bring another into the fold.

A sport touring variant of the V85 would be a great bike for me to have, but, I already have an R1200RS that serves that duty very well.
The FTR1200 and Harley Streetfighter would both fill the spot occupied by my Ducati Monster 796, which is the only bike I ever bought new.    I love the Monster, and never want to sell it.
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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2018, 06:25:38 PM »
A sport touring variant of the V85 would be a great bike for me to have

But that's just the thing, ADV-touring bikes make really good are sport-touring bikes.  Yes, it may not feel as "sporty" due to the seating position, but they are just as capable of carving canyons as anything and are more comfortable both when the road isn't as twisty and when it's no longer paved. 

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2018, 06:54:15 PM »
As an addict I am never satisfied.   For me it is about the experiences and not the bikes themselves.  Always looking at that next riding experience.   I've owned from 250cc 2-stroke to 107 CI V-twin to 1400cc I-4.  Dirt, adventure,  street, sport, touring, cruiser, naked, fully faired and all between.
Actually that seems like a fair statement .

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #54 on: October 05, 2018, 07:38:08 PM »
I do like the concept.
Like the concept?  So do I, and have done so for the past 27 years.  My BMW dealer (Gary, Heritage BMW/Greensburg PA) mentioned to me (in 1988/1989) that the R100GS was the best TOURING bike BMW had made to that time.  Based on that testimonial, I bought my 1991 in 1991, initially hated the mechanical monster, then grew to mildly like it, to becoming totally obsessed with it.  155,000 miles later, we're still planning on making trips together.

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2018, 09:03:10 PM »
At this time I don't have enough fact to make a decision. I am disappointed to see it wears what appears to be spoked wheels that require tubes. Don't understand why manufactures do that to bikes that likely never see rugged true off road conditions but are likely to sevrev as a street machine for local riding or occasionally touring. Dunno know it just doesn't make sense to me.  My choice would be alloy wheels or tubeless spoked wheels.

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2018, 12:38:13 AM »
At this time I don't have enough fact to make a decision. I am disappointed to see it wears what appears to be spoked wheels that require tubes. Don't understand why manufactures do that to bikes that likely never see rugged true off road conditions but are likely to sevrev as a street machine for local riding or occasionally touring. Dunno know it just doesn't make sense to me.  My choice would be alloy wheels or tubeless spoked wheels.

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Can you share the sum total of your knowlege regarding the spoke wheel/tubed tyre arrangement on the V85 ?
Conventional wisdom says it has blind nipples like Norge and/or Stelvio and no tubes..?

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2018, 03:13:31 AM »
"A BMW 1200 RT is something that works FOR you."

Who says a modern time BMW is more relyable than a modern time Guzzi?
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« Reply #58 on: October 06, 2018, 04:25:07 AM »
Yeah Foss.
The accent is on the word "for" not the word "works".
I do think that something that's over reliable, can approach a point of over familiarity, and as such there is less light and shade in the relationship.
You know the old adage..
"Familiarity breeds contempt.."
I'll wager that most of the friendships and interactions on this forum are born out of the desire or need to sort out some anomaly.
When you finish cleaning your teeth, you never marvel at how much you like your toothbrush..
No.
Why.?
Because it's performance does not vary and there are no pleasant (or unpleasant) experiences to be shared and it does what it's supposed to do and you feel entitled to demand unwavering obedience.
It's the glorious uncertainty and constant need to be involved that provides the texture to the Guzzi experience.
Maybe...?

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Re: Ok then... Who'll pull the trigger on a V85 ..?
« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2018, 05:29:17 AM »
Yeah Foss.
The accent is on the word "for" not the word "works".
I do think that something that's over reliable, can approach a point of over familiarity, and as such there is less light and shade in the relationship.
You know the old adage..
"Familiarity breeds contempt.."
I'll wager that most of the friendships and interactions on this forum are born out of the desire or need to sort out some anomaly.
When you finish cleaning your teeth, you never marvel at how much you like your toothbrush..
No.
Why.?
Because it's performance does not vary and there are no pleasant (or unpleasant) experiences to be shared and it does what it's supposed to do and you feel entitled to demand unwavering obedience.
It's the glorious uncertainty and constant need to be involved that provides the texture to the Guzzi experience.
Maybe...?

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 I usually let the dealer do the first service during the warranty period to establish a report with them and the simplicity and accessibility of the V7 made the 1st service one of the lowest prices I have ever paid even though they also check the valve clearances. 
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