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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2023, 04:51:19 PM »
When I was a tyke on a family car trip to Arizona our car sprang a leak.
No oil within 150 miles, so my dad put a couple of quarts of H2O in with
the remaining oil and drove the Mercury into Phoenix, where he replaced
it with oil.  I do know that we drove that car back 1500 miles home, but
don't know much about engine longevity after that.
First you look where it should be, then you look where it might be, then you look where it won't be, then you look where it mustn't be.  And when you find it you discover "that's where it should have been."
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2023, 05:02:53 PM »
When I was a tyke on a family car trip to Arizona our car sprang a leak.
No oil within 150 miles, so my dad put a couple of quarts of H2O in with
the remaining oil and drove the Mercury into Phoenix, where he replaced
it with oil.  I do know that we drove that car back 1500 miles home, but
don't know much about engine longevity after that.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2023, 05:22:29 PM »
Love the wine analogy Enzo…I always thought LiquiMoly was more like a Brunello than a Riesling but I like both!

Now to add some controversy, although I do have some high up support in my back pocket from folks, I don’t mind putting 75W/90 in the gearbox and CARC drive both on the Norge vs the official specs of 80/90 and 85/90.

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2023, 05:30:18 PM »
I can say one thing for certain. When it's hot and your dipstick comes out it's very slippery and it doesn't wash off!

Come on Huzo, we have all been waiting........OK, low hanging fruit.  Too easy, sure, but still.....

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2023, 05:40:04 PM »
I use what Mike Harper told me to use on my old bikes, Otherwise, I ask Mr. Whoopee AKA kballowe. He knows Jack Shit.

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2023, 05:41:36 PM »
I use the cheapest or easiest oil I can get my hands on that meets manufacturers jaso, sae, etc. spec for the application but that's just me, don't really care what others use as long as they're happy with their choice.
My '03 V11 Lemans got 15w50 Mobil 1 full syn last oil change, trans 80w-90 cheap stuff...valvoline, supertch,etc.
The rest of my two wheel junk usually gets 15w-40 Shell Rotella T4 these days.
I ride above 40F. and rarely over 95F.
Subie 0w-20....don't recall what brand.
Old Silverado 5w30 Supertech.

No red or purple stuff for me, aint paying extra for coloring :laugh:
And, no 10w-60.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2023, 05:53:12 PM »
"Good"?

Still waiting.  :kiss:
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2023, 06:55:01 PM »
There is is one category missing in the survey and that is…(Drum roll accompanied by the sound of tearing envelope with a well timed cymbal splash…)

“I just have to re invent the wheel to re validate my own sense of self relevance and since I own a fabulously engineered piece of mechanical awesomeness, I can put stale cat’s piss in there for bugger all money and still not manage to blow the poor bugger up…”

The only outlay is the initial purchase price of the aforementioned cat and the water.
I like the one that says..”It works for me”.
Mate, it works for anyone and all that proves is, that the whole debate although mildly entertaining, is largely moot.
If it makes you feel good..? Do it.
Because feeling good is the only reason we do any of it and as for the oil debate ?
It’s another opportunity to politely say…”Shut up, I’m right…”
But it’s answering the question that nobody asked..

Amen Brother!

The real question is "What oil do you feel the best about using?"

Oil Pride is Real!

I heard that once from a very wise guy......

I suspect it will take more than 500,000 very harsh miles to result in much wear from such lowly stressed engines.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2023, 07:02:10 PM »
"Good"?

Still waiting.  :kiss:

 :laugh:

Obviously, they are all good reasons, if they are sufficient for the end user to rationalize.

Now the real issue.  If the OEM knows best, and they see fit NOT TO PUT GREASE in a bearing........
how many people are risking ruining their motorcycles by putting grease in the dry bearing the OEM specified?

Or more importantly, if using the wrong weight or type of oil could void your warranty, is the warranty also voided by putting grease in a dry bearing?

Let the discussions run wild!!!
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2023, 07:12:45 PM »
No such thing as all good reasons.

People make terrible decisions every day thinking they are doing the right thing.

Just terrible....


Walk into any Walmart and observe.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2023, 07:38:55 PM »


Walk into any Walmart and observe.

Pfffft.  Amateurs. 
Walk into the dollar store - after dark.

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2023, 07:40:56 PM »
That's not a cricket!

I've known lots of crickets for years, that's no cricket!

It just warms my little heart that someone actually looks at my posts !    :boozing:

OK, so does it at least REMIND you of a cricket ?

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2023, 07:55:17 PM »
When I was a tyke on a family car trip to Arizona our car sprang a leak.
No oil within 150 miles, so my dad put a couple of quarts of H2O in with
the remaining oil and drove the Mercury into Phoenix, where he replaced
it with oil.  I do know that we drove that car back 1500 miles home, but
don't know much about engine longevity after that.

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2023, 08:44:13 PM »
No such thing as all good reasons.

People make terrible decisions every day thinking they are doing the right thing.

Just terrible....


Au contraire mon ami (latin for not so fast bubba),

I think (therefore I am) you aren't looking for GOOD reasons, but reason which would convince you!

The question "What oil should I use?" is a lot like the question "What bike should I buy?"

Why listen to the people who write ads for Yamaha vs listening to the people who write ads for Ducati!  NGC

Subjective answers abound, both the Ducati riders and the yamaha riders know the others is wrong!

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2023, 08:49:56 PM »
It just warms my little heart that someone actually looks at my posts !    :boozing:

OK, so does it at least REMIND you of a cricket ?

 :boozing: :boozing: :boozing:

You are more than welcome!

Doesn't even remotely remind me a of cricket, but an awesome grasshopper!

But with a big enough hook, it would be awesome for deep sea fishing! 

Now throw that monster grasshopper in a blender and make some real MG oil! 

Screw PETA, cause it's a Bio-degradable and renewable resource!
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2023, 09:21:06 PM »
Of course I'm asking about what is GOOD to me, I'm the one asking.  :grin: :laugh: :grin:

Or was I asking about "motorcycle maintenance" and "quality"?   :huh:
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2023, 10:14:37 PM »
Maybe , the feller with the most miles on his machine has the RIGHT answer ?    :rolleyes:

I know a feller with a LS650 with over 200,000 miles on it who always uses Shell Rotella T-6 15w40.   He said he did a valve job at 100,000 and didn't even find a ring grove .
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2023, 10:28:27 PM »
Maybe , the feller with the most miles on his machine has the RIGHT answer ?    :rolleyes:

Ok, so you have me in an emotionally vulnerable moment.

N = 1 is almost always useless.

OEM recommendations aren't (obviously) the only acceptable solution.

They are normally the best bet for all possible circumstances.

You can definitely use something else under some circumstances.

The problem is, what are those circumstances? Is it an issue of higher temperature, or lower, or higher humidity or lower, or longer trips, or shorter?

It's obviously ok to stray from the rec.

The question is WHY? Combined with IS IT A GOOD IDEA/OR EVEN BENEFICIAL?

It usually takes more than just in saving $$$ to qualify for that.

And it definitely takes more than one person's experience to recommendv it, especially if warranties might be involved.

Which leads me back to my original reply.

You need a GOOD reason to go against the OEM recommendations.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2023, 10:37:38 PM »
Maybe , the feller with the most miles on his machine has the RIGHT answer ?    :rolleyes:

I know a feller with a LS650 with over 200,000 miles on it who always uses Shell Rotella T-6 15w40.   He said he did a valve job at 100,000 and didn't even find a ring grove .

I've got a buddy who ran in the last couple of Iron Butt rallys on a 250k mile (give or take) rubbermount Sporty using OEM SYN3 oil.

My point? N =1. That said, the OEM normally tests and they should be more then an N = 1.

YMMV
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2023, 10:40:02 PM »
Fair Point Kev.

The manufacture has to cover its butt above all else !    If I lived in Phenix AZ. in the summer , I'd want the w60 part.   

Thinking of Iron Butt :   You don't suspect that those Iron Butt fellers run over the posted speed limits do ya ?
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2023, 11:46:31 PM »
Thinking of Iron Butt :   You don't suspect that those Iron Butt fellers run over the posted speed limits do ya ?

When I attempted my second SaddleSore 1000 years ago it was disqualified due to a brisk stretch in Wyoming  :copcar:
Turns out Kneebone or someone did the math on average speed between stops and made sure it wasn't above the posted speed limit. So yeah, you can "get away with" speeding to make up for longer stops or slower stretches, but don't speed thinking you'll get certified AND make it to bed any sooner than if you just sat on your butt and rode the speed limit.

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2023, 12:27:36 AM »
Come on Huzo, we have all been waiting........OK, low hanging fruit.  Too easy, sure, but still.....
Yeah, I saw it but thought I’d let the opening act use it…

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #52 on: March 18, 2023, 12:52:26 AM »
 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :food: :afro: :blank: :azn: :thewife:

10W60 in all my Guzzi's with the exception of the Convert which gets high Zinc  20W50 usually Brad Penn.

Real question is which 10w60, there are several Motul and Liquimoly options not to mention others.

I am thinking about trying Rotella T6 in the 1200 Sport (80k miles) I ran T4 in my air cooled yamahas for years.

I do a 3K or annual interval on most bikes as I split riding between 3-4 bikes.

I also do 3k intervals on the Stornello due to it's small capacity. That seems to be the hardest on oil.

My V8 car and truck spec 0w20, but manual also specs 5w30 for towing or track use so I just run 5w30 all the time.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #53 on: March 18, 2023, 07:31:43 AM »
Ok, so you have me in an emotionally vulnerable moment.

N = 1 is almost always useless.

OEM recommendations aren't (obviously) the only acceptable solution.

They are normally the best bet for all possible circumstances.

You can definitely use something else under some circumstances.

The problem is, what are those circumstances? Is it an issue of higher temperature, or lower, or higher humidity or lower, or longer trips, or shorter?

It's obviously ok to stray from the rec.

The question is WHY? Combined with IS IT A GOOD IDEA/OR EVEN BENEFICIAL?

It usually takes more than just in saving $$$ to qualify for that.

And it definitely takes more than one person's experience to recommendv it, especially if warranties might be involved.

Which leads me back to my original reply.

You need a GOOD reason to go against the OEM recommendations.

Emotionally vulnerable?  IS there an emoji for a group hug? 

Imagine that emoji right here > ______

We still have not strayed from whatever makes you feel good!

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Everyone knows 20w-50 Organic Grasshopper Oil is better than any weight of cricket oil currently on the market!!!   :wink:

Damn shame Whale Oil is not available.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #54 on: March 18, 2023, 08:10:24 AM »
I remember the time that there were many heated discussions about specific brands of motor oil. Many of the owner's manuals specified AGIP/ENI branded fluids, and folks went to great lengths to get it.  Some were convinced that using anything else would result in catastrophe.  Fast forward a few years, and Moto Guzzi is recommending "Castrol products".  LOL - and now it's "whatever" 10W-60.


I still have some friends that use the AGIP/ENI fluids.  And why not ?  They have the coolest emblem of them all.  Ya can't get this on a jug of something else.





Still want that AGIP oil, but cannot afford the shipping ?  There's a solution !
You can get these fine AGIP stickers on EBay. 
Just stick 'em over whatever other  label is on the bottle.

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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2023, 08:16:55 AM »
53 replies and 582 views in one day. Is this a proverbial oil thread? It’s still winter around here….
Interesting reading, not much thread drift. I don’t have anything that uses 10/60 but that doesn’t matter in an oil thread. My questions are : does anyone feel guilt not using the specified oil? Are there many reports of oil related engine failures? Do you operate at rated power for more than a blast?  Do you check your safety equipment on a daily basis? The rev limiter is part of the safety equipment. :tongue:
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2023, 08:19:29 AM »
I remember the time that there were many heated discussions about specific brands of motor oil. Many of the owner's manuals specified AGIP/ENI branded fluids, and folks went to great lengths to get it.  Some were convinced that using anything else would result in catastrophe.  Fast forward a few years, and Moto Guzzi is recommending "Castrol products".  LOL - and now it's "whatever" 10W-60.


I still have some friends that use the AGIP/ENI fluids.  And why not ?  They have the coolest emblem of them all.  Ya can't get this on a jug of something else.




Now we are talking!

The other aspect missing to this conversation is that we are usually talking about used machines.  I would bet a great deal of money that once a motorcycle is past 5,000 miles, the wear rate is greatly reduced (no matter the oil) and how the longevity of the bike has a lot to do with how the original owner cared for the bike in the first few hundred miles of break in.

Pretty much every "oil failure" I have ever heard is due to human error.

Great conversation.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2023, 08:21:21 AM »
53 replies and 582 views in one day. Is this a proverbial oil thread? It’s still winter around here….
Interesting reading, not much thread drift. I don’t have anything that uses 10/60 but that doesn’t matter in an oil thread. My questions are : does anyone feel guilt not using the specified oil? Are there many reports of oil related engine failures? Do you operate at rated power for more than a blast?  Do you check your safety equipment on a daily basis? The rev limiter is part of the safety equipment. :tongue:

Excellent question John.

I would have to answer "No!" to all those questions.
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2023, 08:25:00 AM »
Just because I can't resist beating this dead horse a little more....

Given that 10W60 can operate at higher temperatures longer without thermal breakdown than 10W40, one could speculate that an air cooled engine might benefit (vs. a water cooled engine) from this capability.

Or you could just buy the damn 4T 10W60 like the manual says and call it a day...
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Re: Do you use 10W-60 oil ?
« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2023, 08:29:34 AM »
Just because I can't resist beating this dead horse a little more....

Given that 10W60 can operate at higher temperatures longer without thermal breakdown than 10W40, one could speculate that an air cooled engine might benefit (vs. a water cooled engine) from this capability.

Or you could just buy the damn 4T 10W60 like the manual says and call it a day...

Also Global Warming  :evil:
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