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Sale advice
« on: May 17, 2023, 12:29:32 PM »
So I'm selling my 2013 V7 Racer. Not sure if I'm getting another bike or just getting out of moto's all together. Anyway, since it's been a long time since I've sold a moto, and the options to sell have changed dramatically, I thought I'd tap the boards wisdom. Of course I'm aware of the ability to list here, I'm also considering ebay, Facebook marketplace groups, and Cycle Trader. Any suggestions, experiences good or bad?

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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2023, 12:40:43 PM »
So I'm selling my 2013 V7 Racer. Not sure if I'm getting another bike or just getting out of moto's all together. Anyway, since it's been a long time since I've sold a moto, and the options to sell have changed dramatically, I thought I'd tap the boards wisdom. Of course I'm aware of the ability to list here, I'm also considering ebay, Facebook marketplace groups, and Cycle Trader. Any suggestions, experiences good or bad?

Grazie,

Andy


When I floated the idea of selling the RK last fall I paid $45 or something like that for a premium add on CycleTrader for some length of time (maybe it was 60 or 90 days). I also listed it here and ADV rider and Facebook.

It got views here (but not really the right audience) and on ADV rider.

I got calls from CycleTrader - but I was advertising it for a VERY premium price. I eventually got an offer from it but the guy played games and tried to renegotiate so I told him to pound sand.

I let the adds expire and forgot about it as winter settled in.

Then I got call out of the blue. Someone who'd contacted me with the CycleTrader ad had thought when that add disappeared that it was no longer available and had no way of contacting me, but then recognized it on FaceBook Marketplace and called me. And bought it.

Now Harleys are a much bigger market, but this was a premium sale of a lower availability model (Police) and that's what was driving a lot of the traffic.

I think if I were to attempt to sell a Guzzi I would probably use all those same resources again.

Though I might be tempted by BAT or Ebay if I was so inclined to put a little more work and/or risk into it.


EDIT - I forgot, there are also Facebook GROUPS - like Moto Guzzi parts and bikes for sale, and V7 Owners etc. that might be a good resource. I see a fair amount of traffic on the V7 owner's group from people who are considering one and want to learn about it.
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2023, 12:47:18 PM »
According to posts by JJ, Racers appear to do well on Bring a Trailer.  Have a good story, and possibly a photo of the bike being sat on by a celebrity.   :wink:
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2023, 12:48:06 PM »
Thanks for the reply Kev, yes I'm a member of several of those FB groups, I saw you post there not too long ago. I'm actually the owner and admin of a V7 Racer group with about 3K followers, maybe I should just start there huh?

 
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2023, 12:59:28 PM »
Best advice I can give you on the V7R (having had a 2012 V7R) is prepared to lower your price a lot more than you think.
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2023, 01:17:06 PM »
Beats me!  Iím been trying to sell a 2013 Stelvio, a 2010 gold wing, and a trailer for last 4 months.  Not fun!
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2023, 01:23:44 PM »
eBay does NOT charge a percentage on vehicles. The basic ad costs $69. With a $14 transaction fee. If listed over $5000 the fees are slightly larger. This is the best deal for selling anything on eBay . Flat fee for vehicles, wow, unexpected from eBay but itís for real.
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2023, 01:49:34 PM »
Start with the Moto Guzzi groups but as stated prepare to lower your price if you don't get any response to your original ads.   :tongue:
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2023, 02:00:52 PM »
Start with the Moto Guzzi groups but as stated prepare to lower your price if you don't get any response to your original ads.   :tongue:

Though I totally agree, I also think this is where a NON-Moto Guzzi group ad might be advantageous.

I've seen some NEW to Guzzi owners pay some HIGH prices on smallblocks recently (like when they first buy and join the V7 FB group) and all I can think is DAYUM they are new to Guzzi over-paying like that.

So advertising to the Moto-Curious might have some benefit.
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2023, 02:34:05 PM »
Agreed, try all but that would be a starting point.
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2023, 03:01:54 PM »
I browse regularly and have purchased a bike through Facebook marketplace.  I have also bought a bike through the Swap Meet section of this forum.  The ads on Facebook and here are free so that is where I would start.  Especially if you are not in a big hurry to sell.  If you don't get any bites then try elsewhere.
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2023, 06:00:33 AM »
In the last few years, I have sold three bikes and bought one.  I sold the 2 Guzzis through WG.   I did not want to deal with the Great Unwashed coming to "see me a Eye-Talian moto-pickle."   That may be unfair, but I wanted to deal with people who knew what they were buying.  To sell on WG, your price must be reasonable.  Essentially, list it at a friend price and you'll get action.  Guzzisti are cheap.  That's as sure as the sun coming up in the morning.  They are also usually pretty good folks.  I enjoyed talking to the people who bought my Guzzis and was pleased that the bikes were going to good people.

If you want to broaden your market but still reach an informed audience, advertise on ADVRider.com.  They're not Guzzisti, but they know what Guzzis are.  In doubt, they can always search the ADVRider site for informed threads on every damn bike out there, pretty much.  I listed my MZ Skorpion on ADVRider and got good action.

Another broader market is brand-specific groups on FaceBook.  I sold my Skorpion to a fellow who saw the ad on ADVRider, mulled it over, and then contacted me once I listed the bike on a FaceBook MZ group.  He was worried and figured that he better strike before someone else did.  I sold it at a very reasonable price, I think.

I bought my last bike through Craigslist.  Talking to sellers, be prepared for a lot of pointless calls and ghosted appointments when using FB Marketplace or Craigslsit.  It's a much larger audience with a larger percentage of flakes.   You can probably get a better price on these larger sites but you'll have to work harder for it.  :)

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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2023, 08:07:00 AM »
I do not use FB but my wife has listed several bikes for me on FBMP in the the past few years and its was good. I will say the market seem to really be slowing down. Dealerships are fully stocked to the point we are seeing incentive programs occuring and people are  just not buy like they were in the past couple of years. In the next few years I think its really going to be a buyer market as we start to see all the bikes people panic/boredom bought start hitting the market.

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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2023, 08:18:00 AM »
Thanks for all the input! I did start with a few FB groups, some Guzzi specific, others just local (Wisconsin) I'll see if I get any bites. It does seem like prices on the V7s (especially Racers) have stabilized or actually crept up from what I was seeing a few years ago. I'm not in a major rush to sell, I'll put a post up here in the Swap meet too.
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2023, 09:59:26 PM »
I've sold 4 Guzzis on Craigslist, going back about 12 years.  Not a tire kicker among the buyers.  Usually, the bikes sold to the first caller.  One case that amuses me to this day was in 2012 when former NorCAl MGNOC Area Rep Don Van Zandt (still my best friend even though I moved to Texas) asked me to sell his 1979 SP-1000.  I spiffed it up a bit and did a service on it and listed it in Craigslist, San Francisco.  Late that day, I was working an evening shift as a hospital clerk and came home at Midnight.  Wife says, "You got a call on Don's bike...from Melbourne".  "Florida?"    "No, Australia.  Name's Mark Harris and he said he'd call back in a half hour".  Mark turned out to be a serious Guzzisti who wanted a running, original SP and after a brief chat he sent me the money via Pay Pal.  Don and I took the SP to West Coast Shipping in Richmond, CA who ship many bikes and cars worldwide.  Mark had used them before and they delivered the SP in fine shape. as Mark advised me 2 weeks later.. 

Another Guzzi went to Otis Gray, then in Casa Grande, AZ (later moved to Mountain Home, ID) who never saw the bike before he bought it.  Otis was an experienced Guzzisti and wanted a "hydro", which I offered.   I should add that all but Don's SP went for the stated price.  Mark got hit for a few hundred dollars on the exchange rate so I dropped the price accordingly, happy the SP was going to a very good home.

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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2023, 08:46:43 AM »
I've sold 4 Guzzis on Craigslist, going back about 12 years.  Not a tire kicker among the buyers.  Usually, the bikes sold to the first caller.  One case that amuses me to this day was in 2012 when former NorCAl MGNOC Area Rep Don Van Zandt (still my best friend even though I moved to Texas) asked me to sell his 1979 SP-1000.  I spiffed it up a bit and did a service on it and listed it in Craigslist, San Francisco.  Late that day, I was working an evening shift as a hospital clerk and came home at Midnight.  Wife says, "You got a call on Don's bike...from Melbourne".  "Florida?"    "No, Australia.  Name's Mark Harris and he said he'd call back in a half hour".  Mark turned out to be a serious Guzzisti who wanted a running, original SP and after a brief chat he sent me the money via Pay Pal.  Don and I took the SP to West Coast Shipping in Richmond, CA who ship many bikes and cars worldwide.  Mark had used them before and they delivered the SP in fine shape. as Mark advised me 2 weeks later.. 

Another Guzzi went to Otis Gray, then in Casa Grande, AZ (later moved to Mountain Home, ID) who never saw the bike before he bought it.  Otis was an experienced Guzzisti and wanted a "hydro", which I offered.   I should add that all but Don's SP went for the stated price.  Mark got hit for a few hundred dollars on the exchange rate so I dropped the price accordingly, happy the SP was going to a very good home.

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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2023, 09:59:30 AM »
I've sold 4 Guzzis on Craigslist, going back about 12 years.  Not a tire kicker among the buyers.  Usually, the bikes sold to the first caller.  One case that amuses me to this day was in 2012 when former NorCAl MGNOC Area Rep Don Van Zandt (still my best friend even though I moved to Texas) asked me to sell his 1979 SP-1000.  I spiffed it up a bit and did a service on it and listed it in Craigslist, San Francisco.  Late that day, I was working an evening shift as a hospital clerk and came home at Midnight.  Wife says, "You got a call on Don's bike...from Melbourne".  "Florida?"    "No, Australia.  Name's Mark Harris and he said he'd call back in a half hour".  Mark turned out to be a serious Guzzisti who wanted a running, original SP and after a brief chat he sent me the money via Pay Pal.  Don and I took the SP to West Coast Shipping in Richmond, CA who ship many bikes and cars worldwide.  Mark had used them before and they delivered the SP in fine shape. as Mark advised me 2 weeks later.. 

Another Guzzi went to Otis Gray, then in Casa Grande, AZ (later moved to Mountain Home, ID) who never saw the bike before he bought it.  Otis was an experienced Guzzisti and wanted a "hydro", which I offered.   I should add that all but Don's SP went for the stated price.  Mark got hit for a few hundred dollars on the exchange rate so I dropped the price accordingly, happy the SP was going to a very good home.

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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2023, 10:02:24 AM »
Craigs list isn't dead. I tried to sell my 01 EV for cheap here early this spring. I put it on the Tucson CL and sold it instantly with 3 others wanting to see it if the deal fell through.
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2023, 11:46:21 AM »
the market seem to really be slowing down. Dealerships are fully stocked to the point we are seeing incentive programs occuring and people are  just not buy like they were in the past couple of years.

One year ago, I went to the local Kawasaki shop and looked at a 2022 Vulcan Vaquero.  That bike is still on the floor.  They're now advertising a $1,000 rebate.
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2023, 09:03:16 AM »
FB marketplace has basically replaced Craigslist. One benefit is 90% of the people have established profiles and are kinda known. Definitely not the anonymous circus that craigslist could be.

I've had best luck selling in enthusiast forums. ADV has a broad audience.

As others have said quality pictures and videos are the way to go and Facebook makes this easy.

The last vehicle I sold on craigslist was my BMW M3. It's sold within 15 minutes of posting the ad for 2K over asking. Over the years I probably bought and sold four or five cars and motorcycles and I've never really had a problem other than a few dead end interest exchanges.

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I sold my MGX here on WG in 3 days. Unfortunately that member has never resurfaced or returned. I'd love to know what's happening with the bike. They were several things that made it unique first was that I had adapted to top case from a norge to the bike and the mounting of the fog lights. I love the way the bike looked but in the end it was too much of a fat unwieldy pig for my riding preferences :-)

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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2023, 09:15:56 AM »
I sold my MGX here on WG in 3 days. Unfortunately that member has never resurfaced or returned. I'd love to know what's happening with the bike.

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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2023, 10:03:33 AM »
A friend of mine recently, like two weeks ago sold his late model BMW GS on Craigslist and a few months earlier he sold a HD on Craigslist.  I wouldn't rule them out but beware of the usual scams.
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2023, 01:59:44 PM »
update, I have listed here and got one nibble. put on several FB groups but nothing yet. just started ebay auction today.  :popcorn:
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2023, 02:08:16 PM »



 :boozing: true... It was a HORRIBLE looking bike.... :cool:

All kidding aside I thought it looked (and sounded) great and the top case really brought balance and made it far more capable as a touring bike. Too bad it was so heavy, had such poor low speed (sub 25) and high speed (over 80) manners.

Disappointed to not see the owner active in the group.

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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2023, 05:46:26 PM »
Craigs list isn't dead. I tried to sell my 01 EV for cheap here early this spring. I put it on the Tucson CL and sold it instantly with 3 others wanting to see it if the deal fell through.

Well maybe not stone dead but on life support with failing organs. Yes, stuff does still sell but I've found it to no longer be worth the effort and certainly not worth paying for listing that gets just a fraction of a percent of the traffic it once did. YMMV
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2023, 01:38:09 AM »
"Why am I selling? Well, I have a 10 year old son and I want this gone before he starts begging me to ride it."
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2023, 06:47:55 AM »
"Why am I selling? Well, I have a 10 year old son and I want this gone before he starts begging me to ride it."
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I can't get behind that sentiment.

Reminds me of a time I was selling a Jeep and touted the ski racks that came with it. The couple looked at me and said "we would never do something so reckless" - move along then, nothing to see here.

Holy carp ya know.

I literally BOUGHT our last Moto Guzzi JUST so our then 5 y/o could ride it with us. He just turned 9 and asked me to make sure I ride him to soccer camp this summer instead of taking the Jeep. I was like "you know that means you're gonna have to put armored pants over your kit right" and he's like "oh yeah, and boots, but I'll switch to my cleats when I get there".  :thumb:
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2023, 08:30:19 AM »
I can't get behind that sentiment.

Reminds me of a time I was selling a Jeep and touted the ski racks that came with it. The couple looked at me and said "we would never do something so reckless" - move along then, nothing to see here.

Holy carp ya know.

I literally BOUGHT our last Moto Guzzi JUST so our then 5 y/o could ride it with us. He just turned 9 and asked me to make sure I ride him to soccer camp this summer instead of taking the Jeep. I was like "you know that means you're gonna have to put armored pants over your kit right" and he's like "oh yeah, and boots, but I'll switch to my cleats when I get there".  :thumb:

FWIW, I do take all 3 for rides on the bike regularly (11, 9, 7). I get what you are saying and agree with it but when I was learning to ride folks weren't driving 70mph with a cell phone in their hand doing makeup. It isn't the only reason for the sale, but it is one of them. I do have my eye on the Z900RS and then my whole excuse goes out the window!
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2023, 08:42:11 AM »
FWIW, I do take all 3 for rides on the bike regularly (11, 9, 7). I get what you are saying and agree with it but when I was learning to ride folks weren't driving 70mph with a cell phone in their hand doing makeup. It isn't the only reason for the sale, but it is one of them. I do have my eye on the Z900RS and then my whole excuse goes out the window!

It's cool my friend, I tell myself plenty of things to justify my own desires.... no worries.  :boozing:
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Re: Sale advice
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2023, 08:13:28 AM »
I have been wondering about this myself, as I am now only riding like 30 days a year due to home renovations, cycling, and other hobbies- plus I'm buying a boat next year. I need to pare down to one bike... 

I hate that everything has gone to Facebook. I deleted my account nearly 12 years ago (I was an early user- when I got FB it still required a college .edu email to sign up!) No way I would go back. I always had great luck buying and selling vehicles on Craigslist, but it seems to have largely dried up.
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