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Title: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Gliderjohn on March 16, 2020, 03:08:30 PM
One of the few attractions left open is the national soaring museum in Moriarty. My birth mom and I were the only ones there. She really enjoyed it. Here are a few pictures

(https://i.ibb.co/Wf7NDBp/DSCN0835.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Wf7NDBp)


(https://i.ibb.co/K275rVP/DSCN0836.jpg) (https://ibb.co/K275rVP)


(https://i.ibb.co/17XF76p/DSCN0837.jpg) (https://ibb.co/17XF76p)


(https://i.ibb.co/HXrd7Nr/DSCN0838.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HXrd7Nr)


(https://i.ibb.co/R2Sscd0/DSCN0840.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R2Sscd0)

GliderJohn
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: oldbike54 on March 16, 2020, 03:16:28 PM
  :thumb:

 Dusty
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Gliderjohn on March 16, 2020, 03:34:00 PM
BTW, the glider with no canopy was a "drone" glider used by NASA for atmospheric research. Was lifted aloft by balloon to 105,000 ft and released.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: tris on March 16, 2020, 04:40:25 PM
Cool - I like gliding.

My wife is a member of the Women's Institute here and in June they're having a gliding day.

As a hanger on, for £5 more than members I get to go too

I'm looking forward to it
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Testarossa on March 16, 2020, 06:02:46 PM
Way cool. Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: ohiorider on March 16, 2020, 07:09:08 PM
Those are such graceful works of art.  I started to say 'machines.' but they're not.  They're like an albatross, meant to ride the thermals.

I've never had the pleasure of flying in a sailplane, but came close on a visit to Arizona a few years back.  I was going to meet an individual that flew a powered sailplane someplace north of Phoenix, but high winds caused him to abandon the flight.

Bob

EDIT:  Do you have any info on the one with the US Army Air Corps insignia on the fuselage?
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Gliderjohn on March 16, 2020, 09:10:00 PM
The military one is a Schweitzer TG (training glider)-4. There were TG-2,3 & 4s. Alluded during WWII to train military cargo/troop glider pilots. I did most of my training in the TG-3 model. The controls were very heavy to mimic the big gliders.
GliderJohn
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: ohiorider on March 16, 2020, 09:25:08 PM
The military one is a Schweitzer TG (training glider)-4. There were TG-2,3 & 4s. Alluded during WWII to train military cargo/troop glider pilots. I did most of my training in the TG-3 model. The controls were very heavy to mimic the big gliders.
GliderJohn
Thanks!  Good info.
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Huzo on March 16, 2020, 10:38:41 PM
Those early trainers are good for demonstrating primary and secondary effects and such for students..(as we all once were)
The increase in wind noise with pitch change is a good one to drill in early, an ASH 25 or one of these
(https://i.ibb.co/7VyBmy6/FE4-AB95-A-1-A20-49-C1-A8-EB-737-DAF2-EB449.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7VyBmy6)
or similar, sound the same at 125 kts as 45 kts..
Those early blokes were a hardy bunch..
They would have a hard time imagining 60:1
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Huzo on March 16, 2020, 10:44:08 PM
One of the few attractions left open is the national soaring museum in Moriarty. My birth mom and I were the only ones there. She really enjoyed it. Here are a few pictures


(https://i.ibb.co/R2Sscd0/DSCN0840.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R2Sscd0)

GliderJohn
Hmmm..
I’ve got a fair bit of time in a Nimbus 3D T and always wondered in the back seat when the engine was on, how good that cable and it’s attachments are... :undecided:
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on March 17, 2020, 08:02:11 AM
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Those are such graceful works of art.  I started to say 'machines.' but they're not.

I'll argue that point. They *are* machines.. simple and elegant machines.  :smiley:
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Gliderjohn on March 17, 2020, 08:29:41 AM
Speaking of primary trainers...

(https://i.ibb.co/2jfVMp7/DSCN0839.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2jfVMp7)

GliderJohn
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: fossil on March 17, 2020, 08:49:58 AM
Oh yes, the SG 38! A few years ago we visited a neighboring airfield (we flew with Klemm 107, Yak 50, RV 4 and such stuff) our hosts started their SG-38 with the bungee cord. As I have read about this method in an old book from the late thirties I got from my father I knew the commands: "Anziehen - Laufen - Los!" Of course I joined the bungee crew. We shot the plane in a criss-cross - manner over the field. It was really exhausting and extremely funny.
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Daniel Kalal on March 17, 2020, 08:56:14 AM
Quote from: Gliderjohn
Speaking of primary trainers...

Hi John, that looks like a Cessna CG-2, but not with those inner flaps.  Of course, who knows what mods might have been made.  Do you know if that's a replica?  The Smithsonian has an original and I think the one at the Seattle Boeing museum is also an original.

Many years ago, I'd rummage through the old photo-lab archives at Cessna looking at old film to show at lunchtime and came across a short bit of the CG-2 being launched with a bungee system (with lots of friends to pull) on the grass area at the Pawnee plant between the delivery runway and the production runway.  It looked like a lot of fun.

I was at that museum several years ago, yes, it's worth stopping at.  It seems odd that they'd put the museum away from the airport, but I guess gliders are easy enough to move around.

(http://www.dankalal.net/2014trip19/photo002.JPG)

EDIT: I just missed the new post and the ID of a SG-38.  Thanks!
EDIT (again): the collection website says it's a replica of a "Zögling Primary Glider Variant" by Lippisch. Anyway, I've no doubt that the 1930 Cessna CG-2 was a copy of something from Germany.
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: ohiorider on March 17, 2020, 09:21:15 AM
I'll argue that point. They *are* machines.. simple and elegant machines.  :smiley:
I'll concede that point.  After all, you fly 'em, I don't. :smiley:
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: fossil on March 17, 2020, 11:01:09 AM
Daniel,

the Zögling is the SG-38.
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: ozarquebus on March 17, 2020, 11:38:43 AM
The glider instructor would smack me in the back of the head and shout:

"too much stick! too much stick!"
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: PeteS on March 17, 2020, 02:52:01 PM
Elmira, NY has a soaring museum as well. I have done a couple of group rides there.

https://www.soaringmuseum.org

Pete
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Roebling3 on March 17, 2020, 03:59:23 PM
+1 on the Elmira, NY muse`. Haven't been there in 20 - 25 yrs. We flew '2 up' several times, there. 4 up? once with a pair of squirmy golden retriever pups.
'I love NY'; but a best friend always adds; Not if you live here.
Beautiful state parks, well kept roads, historical sites, museums, Finger Lakes' wines.  R3~
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Griso8V on March 17, 2020, 05:23:14 PM
When I was a current Private Pilot, we were out in Nevada by Minden.  I saw the airport and went to the glider place and talked with the instructor.  He said you want to go up?  I said YES!  We went up, towed up, and we were up for an hour.  It was unbelievable!  The view of the Sierra Nevada mountains was so breathtaking I kept forgetting to fly the plane...
I just loved how with the canopy you feel you are in a fighter aircraft...and it was quite!  No engine sound...
Tony
Title: Re: (NGC)- Soaring museum.
Post by: Gliderjohn on March 17, 2020, 09:18:21 PM
We returned safely and about on time. Can't say enough on how helpful the American Airlines people were. Ruth's knees were really bothering her. After just asking about an elevator at Albuquerque, the staff suggested that a wheelchair be arranged at both Dallas and Wichita. At Dallas the employee pushing the chair was really fast which was good as are gates seemed like miles apart and had little time. Got us on early boarding and all. Between Wichita and Dallas had one very hard hit of turbulence that caused a few screams and a lot of flying drinks! I-135 had only about a quarter of it's usual traffic driving home from the airport.