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Title: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: groundhog105 on May 13, 2022, 08:44:23 AM
Is there anyone near Flagstaff Arizona that can assist me with getting my Griso to a temporary place to store while I rent a car to go home and return with a trailer.   The bike was making metallic noise out of the right head then quit running.    Phone is 619-884-7790.   I’m at a motel presently
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: Road Rocket on May 13, 2022, 02:21:43 PM
Bringing it to the top.....Try a bike shop, maybe they know someone who will haul it for you....Good luck
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: RinkRat II on May 13, 2022, 02:48:25 PM

 Possible contact....Eurogeek Motorsport  928-226-1068 located there in Flag.

    Paul B :boozing:
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: Huzo on May 13, 2022, 03:44:49 PM
Is there anyone near Flagstaff Arizona that can assist me with getting my Griso to a temporary place to store while I rent a car to go home and return with a trailer.   The bike was making metallic noise out of the right head then quit running.    Phone is 619-884-7790.   I’m at a motel presently
Quit running on both sides but noisy on only the right ?
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: moto on May 13, 2022, 04:15:43 PM
If you have a basic membership in the American Motorcycle Assn your benefits include a free tow to any location within a certain radius, either 25 or 35 miles. It doesn't have to be a repair shop. Good luck.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: Tom H on May 13, 2022, 06:08:38 PM
Sorry I can't be of help. A bump to the top is what I can do.

As mentioned, maybe the bike shop can store it for you. AAA will also tow bikes if you have the RV add on.

Good luck,
Tom
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: groundhog105 on May 13, 2022, 06:25:36 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions.   I had ordered a tow to take it to Prescott when my brother called and is headed my way.  The problem is with the right cylinder.  I. Was getting a loud metallic sound in  the right cylinder and then it started dropping out then quit. I didn’t have much in the way of tools (left them home this time because the griso has always been bulletproof) I did take the cover off and all the adjustment nuts were there and tight so without any tools that’s as far as I went.  Im wondering if it’s the cam chain tensioner that has failed but at 19thousand I wouldn’t think so. 

Thanks Tom.  I do have the RV AAA and was set to use it when my brother called.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: JJ on May 13, 2022, 07:03:14 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions.   I had ordered a tow to take it to Prescott when my brother called and is headed my way.  The problem is with the right cylinder.  I. Was getting a loud metallic sound in  the right cylinder and then it started dropping out then quit. I didn’t have much in the way of tools (left them home this time because the griso has always been bulletproof) I did take the cover off and all the adjustment nuts were there and tight so without any tools that’s as far as I went.  Im wondering if it’s the cam chain tensioner that has failed but at 19thousand I wouldn’t think so. 

Thanks Tom.  I do have the RV AAA and was set to use it when my brother called.

Sorry I could not be of assistance as I have guests in town this weekend that I have to entertain. 

I was going to suggest Jim and team at Powersports Outlet in Prescott, as they are the closest official and authorized Moto Guzzi dealer in northern Arizona.  Mechanically, they should be able to diagnose the problem and help you.  Keep us posted and good luck with your Griso.

JJ
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: Tom H on May 13, 2022, 07:04:46 PM
Sorry for your troubles. At least your in a safe enough place and not stuck on the side of a road.

Good luck on the tow and the fix!
Tom
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: groundhog105 on May 13, 2022, 09:19:48 PM
Sorry I could not be of assistance as I have guests in town this weekend that I have to entertain. 

I was going to suggest Jim and team at Powersports Outlet in Prescott, as they are the closest official and authorized Moto Guzzi dealer in northern Arizona.  Mechanically, they should be able to diagnose the problem and help you.  Keep us posted and good luck with your Griso.

JJ
Thanks JJ.  That’s where I was going to go.  I’ve stopped in to see those guys several time.  Seems to be a great shop
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: egschade on May 14, 2022, 06:40:49 AM
"  The bike was making metallic noise out of the right head then quit running.  "

Sorry to read about your predicament but as others have already said, at least you safe.

You probably know but just in case, early year 1200 came with flawed flat valve tappets that wear quickly and can cause problems. Factory upgraded to roller tappets mid-2012. My SE was one of the first to have the rollers from the factory. Tons of info and knowledge on Griso Ghetto if you weren't aware.

Whatever the problem hopefully it's a straightforward fix and not overly expensive.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on May 14, 2022, 06:46:10 AM
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Tons of info and knowledge on Griso Ghetto if you weren't aware.

Uhh, yeah. Pete probably can tell you off the top of his head what is going on..I'll PM you his address.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: guzzisteve on May 14, 2022, 08:35:33 AM
Might help if we knew what year Griso?  Early 1100's are bulletproof, later 1200 4V motors not so much unless after 2013.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: Tom H on May 14, 2022, 08:28:01 PM
Please give us a heads up that your good and then when you find out the problem, let us know.

Tom
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: bobrebos on May 15, 2022, 01:13:37 AM
Best of luck to you in hoping you can get it fixed and not be stranded to long.  I’ve been stranded twice lately on my 2013 Stelvio.  Not a fun feeling and leaves one questioning the bikes reliability! 
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: guzzisteve on May 16, 2022, 08:11:57 AM
Just read on GT he's back in CA, broken valve springs on intake of 17' 8V motor.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: Bigtime on May 16, 2022, 08:19:18 AM
  There's a guy on the ADV forum that broke a valve spring on his Stelvio. I think he was at about 100k when it broke. He replaced the spring and now has about 125k on it. Still going strong.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: JJ on May 16, 2022, 08:58:38 AM
Just read on GT he's back in CA, broken valve springs on intake of 17' 8V motor.

I know anything can happen anytime...anywhere. ..to any bike...but somehow, this just does not sound right...?????

Defective / broken valve spring?  Metal fatigue?  Poor quality control at the factory?  Other?  :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh:
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: blackcat on May 16, 2022, 09:50:29 AM
Broken valve spring. Well, there's a new one.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: guzzisteve on May 16, 2022, 11:54:03 AM
It's not the 1st one i've seen. Been a few around the world. Not many though compared to production.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: Huzo on May 16, 2022, 06:23:21 PM
He said the bike rattled then stopped.
A broken valve spring will only stop half of the motor, the good side will help destroy the bad side and Guzzisteve reports that it’s broken valve SPRINGS (plural).
How do you break more than one spring ?
Surely when the first on lets go, you drop compression on that side and she runs on one ?

If it’s dumped a spring, then the valve has probably given the piston a kiss and they’ve “made friends”… :sad:
I hark back to the fact that she’s died on BOTH sides, that’s not a valve spring issue.

Jeez, these damn 4 valve heads are finicky bastards. Lovely when they’re going, but…….Jeeeez.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: groundhog105 on May 17, 2022, 08:45:31 PM
Sorry I haven’t posted a follow up here.  I got the bike home and pulled the valve cover to find the intake valve next to the cam chain was in the open position and the spring appears to be collapsed or broken.  I recovered the two keepers and the valve cap from on top of the head but couldn’t find the part of the adjuster the sets on top of the valve stem.  This motor has never been reved over 7K or abused so I’m at a loss for an explanation.  The bike only has about 19,000 miles on it.


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Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: Huzo on May 18, 2022, 12:42:45 PM
Sorry I haven’t posted a follow up here.  I got the bike home and pulled the valve cover to find the intake valve next to the cam chain was in the open position and the spring appears to be collapsed or broken.  I recovered the two keepers and the valve cap from on top of the head but couldn’t find the part of the adjuster the sets on top of the valve stem.  This motor has never been reved over 7K or abused so I’m at a loss for an explanation.  The bike only has about 19,000 miles on it.


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Well I guess it’s…”off with her head…”
Hope like hell the valve hasn’t contacted the piston or exhaust valve and replace the bits.
Why did the first one let go ?
Dunno.
But you will when you get it our on the bench. It’s immaterial now anyway, if the stem is straight then there’s been no tangling, get a new valve, springs, collets and stuff.
Throw the whole lot in .

BTW..
So the bike didn’t actually stop, it just dropped onto one cylinder…?
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: groundhog105 on May 18, 2022, 09:30:03 PM
Huzo
    It dropped to one cylinder and I shut it down.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: Huzo on May 19, 2022, 02:01:04 AM
  The bike was making metallic noise out of the right head then quit running.   
That makes more sense,
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: groundhog105 on May 19, 2022, 08:11:34 PM
Update for those interested.  I took the Griso to Todd Eagan yesterday and found out today that the damage is limited to the head. I need a new valve,spring, valve guide and valve adjuster.  I feel fortunate there was no damage to the piston and cylinder.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: LowRyter on May 19, 2022, 08:20:45 PM
hope you're on the road again.
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: Tom H on May 19, 2022, 08:47:36 PM
Thanks for the update. Could have been worse. Please let us know if they find why the failure.

Tom
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: JJ on May 19, 2022, 09:33:38 PM
Update for those interested.  I took the Griso to Todd Eagan yesterday and found out today that the damage is limited to the head. I need a new valve,spring, valve guide and valve adjuster.  I feel fortunate there was no damage to the piston and cylinder.

Good update...and good news for the potential to be on the road again soon!! :thumb: :bow: :boozing: :cool:
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: nc43bsa on May 19, 2022, 11:07:15 PM
Update for those interested.  I took the Griso to Todd Eagan yesterday and found out today that the damage is limited to the head. I need a new valve,spring, valve guide and valve adjuster.  I feel fortunate there was no damage to the piston and cylinder.

One of the reasons I like Guzzis;  they're so easy to work on.

Can you imagine having to make the same repair on a water-cooled 4vpc inline 4?
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on May 20, 2022, 03:15:23 AM
Update for those interested.  I took the Griso to Todd Eagan yesterday and found out today that the damage is limited to the head. I need a new valve,spring, valve guide and valve adjuster.  I feel fortunate there was no damage to the piston and cylinder.


Result. !
But our loose valve not kissing his partner is way out there, even if I couldn’t see evidence, I’d buy one.
Guide, notsomuch, even if he took a wallop from retainer, it would have to be ugly to change it.

Real point, of course, is why ?
I’m assuming never apart, FSH etc etc
Warranty would’ve been answer a few years back, motor now obsolete
Doubt anyone cares now, pitiful mileage for catastrophe in days of unlimited mileage warranty. But if you don’t use, you lose it.

I do have skin in this game, fitted same springs to my 650 8V, prob about same batch so if this really is common, I’ll biff em.
Shame, cos they work well
Title: Re: Broke down in flagstaff
Post by: groundhog105 on May 20, 2022, 03:49:04 PM

Result. !
But our loose valve not kissing his partner is way out there, even if I couldn’t see evidence, I’d buy one.
Guide, notsomuch, even if he took a wallop from retainer, it would have to be ugly to change it.

Real point, of course, is why ?
I’m assuming never apart, FSH etc etc
Warranty would’ve been answer a few years back, motor now obsolete
Doubt anyone cares now, pitiful mileage for catastrophe in days of unlimited mileage warranty. But if you don’t use, you lose it.

Yea i agree it’s pitiful mileage for a broken valve spring.  The warranty just ran out in September 21 and I turned down an extended warranty because the griso was running so well and the number of high mileage grisos around with no problems. I bought the bike new in 2019.