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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #180 on: August 01, 2014, 04:18:37 PM »
I recieved the cables from LonElec yesterday, and was using them to try and get GD going.  It connected with the ECU, but I was unable to download the current map in the ECU.  WO pointed out to me that you can only run one program at a time. As usual, there was a basic flaw in my technique.  :D
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #181 on: August 01, 2014, 10:42:14 PM »
What should I set the TPS at on an 07 Norge.  Just uploaded the new map and need to reset TPS.  What do I set it at?? ???
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #182 on: August 01, 2014, 11:03:29 PM »
It should set itself ? Rotate the throttle and allow it to snap back to the idle stop, Click Reset.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #183 on: August 01, 2014, 11:11:44 PM »
Yep. Waterbottle's method is the good way to do it. 4.6/4.7/4.8 are all 'normal' values.

It's the butterfly angle, BTW.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #184 on: August 02, 2014, 11:00:08 AM »
SUCCESS!!!!  I actually got the new map uploaded, reset the TPS,(it showed  4.7 prior to reset) and it runs!!  No more popping on overrun, it seems to be smoother, and we are checking on the fuel economy.  I did not reset the learned parameters though, do I need to?  Does the Norge have them??  My next battle is to balance the TB's and reset the TPS on the 04 Ballabio.  I already set the valves to .10/.15 per Guziology. Last time I set them to .15/.20 but that was last year.  I looked up Guzziology for the settings and seen they were .10/.15.  Then I looked at last time I set them and I had set them at .15/.20. We'll see if it makes a difference. Now to figure out how to balance the TB's and rest the TPS on the Ballabio.  :D
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #185 on: August 02, 2014, 11:31:08 AM »
New question.  My Ballabio has a Kit ECU, has the MG emblem on it also.  Will DG read and write to it also??
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #186 on: August 02, 2014, 11:58:55 AM »
SUCCESS!!!!  I actually got the new map uploaded, reset the TPS,(it showed  4.7 prior to reset) and it runs!!  No more popping on overrun, it seems to be smoother, and we are checking on the fuel economy.  I did not reset the learned parameters though, do I need to?  Does the Norge have them??  My next battle is to balance the TB's and reset the TPS on the 04 Ballabio.  I already set the valves to .10/.15 per Guziology. Last time I set them to .15/.20 but that was last year.  I looked up Guzziology for the settings and seen they were .10/.15.  Then I looked at last time I set them and I had set them at .15/.20. We'll see if it makes a difference. Now to figure out how to balance the TB's and rest the TPS on the Ballabio.  :D

Yes the Norge as the learned parameters and you can reset to remove stored data from the lambda. Allow a few hundred miles to check the fuel consumption to get a accurate measure.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #187 on: August 02, 2014, 12:47:18 PM »
Yes the Norge as the learned parameters and you can reset to remove stored data from the lambda. Allow a few hundred miles to check the fuel consumption to get a accurate measure.

The Norge has a O2 sensor?? I looked and didn't see one in the pipes.  I can reset the learned tonight by hooking it back up preety quick I think.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #188 on: August 02, 2014, 02:32:20 PM »
New question.  My Ballabio has a Kit ECU, has the MG emblem on it also.  Will DG read and write to it also??

For that ECU (15M) you will need to download the 15M Reader & Writer. Different ECU, different reader/writer. AND the TPS is set manually not automatic. You will also have to change the model in preferences and see the 15M in the box on lower left in GuzziDiag.

The Norge O2 is in the collector under trans, it's right below the starter and wiring plug is behind the starter(remove starter cover, you will see).
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #189 on: August 02, 2014, 03:36:04 PM »
I was aware of the different ECU, and have those downloaded.  The O2 sensor information is GREATLY  ;-T :bow  appreciated.  I guess now I should go in and shut off the Lamda sensor, and reset the learned parameters.

On the Ballabio I have the balance rod disconnected, and a screw backed out part ways.  I was unable to get a mv reading on my meter, so now I have no idea what my TPS is set at.  Sounds like the GD will clear that up for me lickity split. This is my first ever attempt at balancing a TB and setting the TPS.   This oughta be good!! ::)  Watching this should be some what akin to watching a monkee try and rape a greased football!! :o ;D

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #190 on: August 02, 2014, 06:28:59 PM »
 I guess now I should go in and shut off the Lamda sensor, and reset the learned parameters.


If it's a map from myself or molly, the Lambda is already off. You don't need to do anything.



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I was unable to get a mv reading on my meter, so now I have no idea what my TPS is set at.  Sounds like the GD will clear that up for me lickity split.



The resolution of the TPS voltage from the ECU is too low for an accurate read by GD, so It won't help with resetting the TPS on your Ballabio. You will still need to use a multimeter.


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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #191 on: August 02, 2014, 06:36:17 PM »

If it's a map from myself or molly, the Lambda is already off. You don't need to do anything.





The resolution of the TPS voltage from the ECU is too low for an accurate read by GD, so It won't help with resetting the TPS on your Ballabio. You will still need to use a multimeter.




I got the map from one of gentlemen associated with GD, so I'll guess that the Lambda is off.  Thanks for the heads up on the TPS reset.  Will GD read the KIT ECU with the Guzzi emblem on it?  Looks like a Guzzi authorized ECU.  ???
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #192 on: August 02, 2014, 08:21:32 PM »
Been to that website. Waiting to get  response from them the total cost in USD, and what just the USB adapter alone would cost.  I already have the FIAT adapter.


Matt - care to share what the total landed cost were for the cables?
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #193 on: August 02, 2014, 09:00:33 PM »
I got the map from one of gentlemen associated with GD, so I'll guess that the Lambda is off.  Thanks for the heads up on the TPS reset.  Will GD read the KIT ECU with the Guzzi emblem on it?  Looks like a Guzzi authorized ECU.  ???

AFAIK it's a 15x Marelli ECU (15M probably) so yes, it will work.

UPDATE: It's a 15RC ECU.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #194 on: August 02, 2014, 10:41:24 PM »

Matt - care to share what the total landed cost were for the cables?

I think about $36.00 after the shipping and currency exchange was said and done.  Cheaper than the $9.00 I wasted on cables that didn't work! ::)
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #195 on: August 03, 2014, 03:01:17 AM »
Hi first time post.

Ok got the cables same ones recommended, does anyone have any idea where the diagnostics port is on a 2011 V7 Racer ?

I would like to switch the lamda off and possibly do something to fix with cold starts (if  I take off without a warm up I cannot get from 1st to 2nd gear lol).
If anyone else has tried this on a v7 can you share your experiences.

thanks in advance

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #196 on: August 03, 2014, 03:17:31 AM »
From memory, (I've been on holidays for two weeks, Hooray!) the ECU is on the left hand side under the side panel. Port hangs off a 'Tail from the ECU.

Remove the side panel and fish about  its obvious.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #197 on: August 03, 2014, 07:22:55 AM »
I just made a trip that I had to cut short but, while covering about 1400 miles, I tested a couple of maps. I'm trying to find the best tradeoff for performance and fuel economy (still looking).

Having a system like Guzzidiag is great.

You just plug up your laptop and download a new map.

Here's a pic of me doing this at my campsite in the mountains of NC. Can't be much easier.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #199 on: August 03, 2014, 04:17:52 PM »
After thinking about this for a while I am wondering if those people who can't get Guzzidiag to work are connecting to the wrong connector under the seat.  There are 2 connectors that are the same on the Norge.  One is one the right side midway up the seat and the other is in the rear by the fuse panel.

Just saying that maybe some who can't get the system to work are connecting to the wrong connector.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #200 on: August 03, 2014, 06:18:14 PM »
After thinking about this for a while I am wondering if those people who can't get Guzzidiag to work are connecting to the wrong connector under the seat.  There are 2 connectors that are the same on the Norge.  One is one the right side midway up the seat and the other is in the rear by the fuse panel.

Just saying that maybe some who can't get the system to work are connecting to the wrong connector.

 Thats with bike with the bosch ABS unit that has a seperate  diag connector, for guzzidiag on ABS bikes, the connector with two wires is the one to use. Three wire there is abs diagnostics.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #201 on: August 03, 2014, 06:25:51 PM »
I see  settings for the stepper motor.  Can it be used to rid the bike of the stepper motor raising RPM even when the motor is warm?  I know there is a by-pass that can be built in, but can it be fixed through the ECU?
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« Reply #202 on: August 03, 2014, 07:21:30 PM »
Unfortunately not. That is apparently in the code and can't be modified if I understand Mark correctly.

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« Reply #203 on: August 03, 2014, 07:26:07 PM »
Correct. Some maps have the idle rise by ~300 rpm when the clutch is pulled in. This is hard coded into software.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #204 on: August 03, 2014, 07:35:58 PM »
So what happens if I saylower the stepper setting from the 100 it shows to a 0? It shows two differnet numbers on two different displays.  What do they mean??
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« Reply #205 on: August 04, 2014, 03:39:17 AM »
The stepper values are read-only.

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« Reply #206 on: August 04, 2014, 08:06:31 AM »
The resolution of the TPS voltage from the ECU is too low for an accurate read by GD, so It won't help with resetting the TPS on your Ballabio. You will still need to use a multimeter.

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« Reply #207 on: August 04, 2014, 05:46:32 PM »
You can't use the voltage reading, you have to use the TPS angle reading. Sorry for the confusion!  ;D
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« Reply #208 on: August 04, 2014, 07:01:50 PM »
...oh yeah-  can the tutorial be saved as a sticky? This is a very helpful thread.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #209 on: August 05, 2014, 05:58:32 PM »
Okay, new problem.  While hooked up to GD, I start the Ballabio and lose all readouts.  How can I read the tach on GD if it shuts down when I  start the Ballabio?  What am I doing wrong??
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