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Chevys with twice pipes...
Depends on what you mean by most.In theory nothing should have a very slow idle if set to spec, not in decades. Even since the 90's the idle setting on the carb models was at least 1k. The EFI ones idle even a tad higher.But a good percentage of owners thinks a slow loping idle (that mimics something with a hot cam) sounds cool and many with carbs do set it incorrectly low that reason.And yeah, I generally think to myself "I could fix that for you".
Agitate the gravel and let them twice pipes roar, Daddy-O...
I would bet that the profit margin on all this screaming eagle stuff is about 5 times more than selling bikes.
Ron tells me that the dealer where he works is now selling bikes at below retail .
Like many other things, an irresponsible minority of fools create problems for everyone else.
Thankfully, map modification by individual owners would not be affected since the sharing of things like software and data is largely protected speech - and each owner would need to be individually investigated and prosecuted. It's the sellers of commercial products that have thunderclouds gathering overhead...
Sharing data is protected like free speech, but, the factory map is copy writable, and protectable by DRM (Digital Rights Management), basically a form of encryption to protect that data from being read. This same technology can be used to prevent WRITING the map by unauthorized parties.The EPA very well could REQUIRE manufactures to utilize such technology to prevent end users, or any other unauthorized persons from modifying the map.
The following table includes the percent of total revenue by product line for the Motorcycles and Related Productssegment:2015 2014 2013Motorcycles 77.8% 78.8% 77.4%Parts & Accessories 16.2% 15.7% 16.6%General Merchandise 5.5% 5.1% 5.6%Other 0.5% 0.4% 0.4%100.0% 100.0% 100.0%
Segment ResultsThe following table includes the condensed statement of operations for the Motorcycles segment (in thousands):2015 2014Revenue:Motorcycles $ 4,127,739 $ 4,385,863Parts & Accessories 862,645 875,019General Merchandise 292,310 284,826Other 26,050 21,973 4,077 18.6Total revenue 5,308,744 5,567,681
Yes, that's what I am fearing!Same for the Guzzi and other bikes. Tamper-Proof ECU.
Yes.... I recently bought a 03 Silverado , 4.8 V-8 5 speed manual ...The previous owner installed a loud Cat Back twice pipe system...Some say nice sound...I dragged my butt under the truck and torched off the duals and put on a new single exhaust...I don't have to look over my shoulder for the cops when running it through the gears....And the duals don't make it run any better...
The amusing thing here is the fact that most HD riders never use the "improved" performance offered by these devices . Seriously , at least around here it is unusual to encounter a Milwaukee Twin actually running at or even near the speed limit . Not knocking that , it just seems silly to spend money for a couple of extra Shetlands that will never leave the barn . There was a guy here that spent $10K installing a 120 CI aftermarket motor in his Alphabet Glide (TM) . The couple of times I rode with him and his buddies they were rocketing along at 55 MPH . I asked him if he ever really used the performance , he said "No , just nice to know it's there" Meanwhile , I am "using" every one of the 39 Shetlands corralled in the beater /5 and wondering why these new bikes can't or won't go more than 55 ??? Dusty
IIRC, many, if not all, currently shipping cars have "Tamper Proof" ECU's.
Thankfully, tamper-proof deserves the quotation marks. My many years in information security tell me that any form of encryption or protection is rather like a deadbolt - it might make a casual attempt difficult, but it can only delay things given a determined and professional attack. In addition, the only threat of penalty is for those who try to make a business of thwarting the lock-down; individual owners still have the right to modify or replace the code in the ECU's firmware. They would, of course, have to accept the risk of consequences for operating such a vehicle if their modifications increased emissions, such as the cost of returning the vehicle to stock, etc.If someone were to distribute the original code, they would certainly be in violation of copyright - but it would be hard to enforce copyright against any modified map.
What are you trying to say, here?Would you rather have 20% of $15,000 a few hundred thousand times. Or, 50% of $200 a few thousand times.
I'd call it icing on the cake. .....or maybe since Harleys sell below retail now (according to Dusty), peanut butter on the cracker.
Seems to me the EPA has begun to see how much power they can wield after their recent wins. I would bet that they start hitting more and more mfgs of this kind of stuff as time goes on. Soon I suspect it will be to "close the loophole" on the off road only type accessories.Don't Europe and Britain have strict rules on this kind of stuff? What are their penalties like?
Its all about government agencies funding their departments and lawyers.
The laws aren't passed by the agencies, departments, or the lawyers who work there; these people are doing their jobs. The laws come from Congress, the policy from the administration - and HD (and other manufacturers) have known for years if not decades that they were skating along on an 'interpretation' that favored their approach but had never been tested in court or arbitration.