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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: inditx on June 29, 2022, 08:20:26 AM
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I’m confused, not an unusual thing for me but I’ve looked and can't find my answers.
I’m looking at 2 hydros, 04 Stone and 04 EV;
*The Stone has had a “solid lifter”? fix but can't tell me what under the covers looks like, with a dual plate clutch, unknown on triple tree.
*The EV had a fix done with snapped off stems but can't tell me about the shiny metal covers or not, single plate clutch, campaigns say tappets and triple tree done
Your collective advice please and go...... :popcorn:
inditx
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*The Stone has had a “solid lifter”? fix but can't tell me what under the covers looks like, with a dual plate clutch, unknown on triple tree.
*The EV had a fix done with snapped off stems but can't tell me about the shiny metal covers or not, single plate clutch, campaigns say tappets and triple tree done
What is a "solid lifter fix". Doesn't exist. The hole in the block for the lifter is the wrong size so you can't practically convert to solids. I am guessing it has the upgraded hydraulics. But they won't pull off a valve cover for you?
Converting from that single plate clutch would be pricey.
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That’s what I thought but you’ve confirmed the “solid lifter” confusion.
Don’t want to gamble on a single plate either....
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Solid lifter for hydro's is using the latest kit but use the slugs they set them to. they use normal rockers & 4 slugs. I know Ace was doing a few like that w/no problems.
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I personally would go with the EV. Not too sure about the" solid lifter fix". I had an 03 hydro, an aluminum, and it was a sweet motor. It was uncannily quiet!
Rick.
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Solid lifter for hydro's is using the latest kit but use the slugs they set them to. they use normal rockers & 4 slugs. I know Ace was doing a few like that w/no problems.
Thanks Steve, so do they require adjustment as a solid lifter or no?
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I personally would go with the EV. Not too sure about the" solid lifter fix". I had an 03 hydro, an aluminum, and it was a sweet motor. It was uncannily quiet!
Rick.
I like the EV too bigbikerrick but am a little leery of the single plate clutch.
Did yours have a single plate?
inditx
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Thanks Steve, so do they require adjustment as a solid lifter or no?
Yes, cause it is solid. Pushrod sits on solid lifter in the cam follower. Normal Guzzi pushrods go into the follower w/o a lifter cause they aren't a Hydro engine.
Single plate clutch will be pricey to swap out.
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Gotcha, thanks sir!
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I surprised to still see some single plate clutches around. Back when I was looking, all research showed that those failed fast, and at low miles. I would think by now most would have been fixed.
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My 03. Aluminum had the dual plate clutch from the factory.The bike was titled as an 03, but it had a build date of 2002. Those were some weird times at MG!
Rick
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I’m confused, not an unusual thing for me but I’ve looked and can't find my answers.
I’m looking at 2 hydros, 04 Stone and 04 EV;
*The Stone has had a “solid lifter”? fix but can't tell me what under the covers looks like, with a dual plate clutch, unknown on triple tree.
*The EV had a fix done with snapped off stems but can't tell me about the shiny metal covers or not, single plate clutch, campaigns say tappets and triple tree done
Your collective advice please and go...... :popcorn:
inditx
The solid lifter fix was new lifter internals made in Germany. It makes the lifter solid. The stone sounds like a solid buy if you want that style/ fit. I wanted a full Guzzi cal experience with linked brakes and floorboards all the oddities that makes a goose a goose. So I went with the EV. I really didn’t want the hydro lifters but just couldn’t resist the 03 I found. Had full records and all recalls done so I snap it up.
Are there any difference in accessories between the bikes? I would assume the ev is low mileage with the signal plate clutch?
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I’m conflicted on the Stone because I really don’t want tube tires and prefer dual discs up front.
The EV is nice but has the single plate clutch.
So the solids won’t require adjustment and that’s a plus for the Stone.
All I know on the EV is it’s had a “tappet” campaign done, not sure which one.
inditx
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I’ve had an 04 EV as well as an 07 vintage.
I now have an 02 Stone.
I have not missed the duel rotors , nor the tachometer or floorboards.
The tube tires has not been an issue and valve adjustments just become a 10k norm.
It comes down to what you become accustomed to.
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02 stone owner here also. Personaly dont like the floor boards so thats a plus for me. I perfer the lower, more flat bars on the stone. Fits my build better. I do miss the tach though, and might add a second front disk. Other then that. Dont worry about valve adjustments at all. Unless you hate the tappet noise [and thats really part of being a Guzzi..] after you have done it once it takes a good 15 min to do.
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I’ve had an 04 EV as well as an 07 vintage.
I now have an 02 Stone.
I have not missed the duel rotors , nor the tachometer or floorboards.
The tube tires has not been an issue and valve adjustments just become a 10k norm.
It comes down to what you become accustomed to.
Good to know
So are they ever much out of adjustment?
Thanks
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02 stone owner here also. Personaly dont like the floor boards so thats a plus for me. I perfer the lower, more flat bars on the stone. Fits my build better. I do miss the tach though, and might add a second front disk. Other then that. Dont worry about valve adjustments at all. Unless you hate the tappet noise [and thats really part of being a Guzzi..] after you have done it once it takes a good 15 min to do.
Maybe adding a second rotor because of stopping power?
I prefer a quieter motor but don’t mind the noise on my V7 850 because the Agostini’s help. :thumb:
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I’m conflicted on the Stone because I really don’t want tube tires and prefer dual discs up front.
The EV is nice but has the single plate clutch.
So the solids won’t require adjustment and that’s a plus for the Stone.
All I know on the EV is it’s had a “tappet” campaign done, not sure which one.
inditx
Since you’re in Kc area give ACE a call and see what the clutch replacement costs. He’ll shoot ya straight.Then you can make a call on which bike. I’m sure the extra disc would be cheaper way to go though.
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Good, thanks John!
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Aren't we talking (clutch assembly) costs that are near to a complete RAM clutch assembly ? Peter
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The Single plate Clutch would be upwards of $1000.00 using all new parts. I have one I know, mine left me stranded in PA, it had 10,000 miles when it failed. I love the EV’s but make sure the price you pay takes into account the clutch replacement.
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Converting from that single plate clutch would be pricey.
I did one from a bike I purchased from Moto International.
The single plate clutch was lovely, but constantly required clutch lever adjustment, and it was soon obvious what was going on. Moto International sent me the rmulti-plate clutch replacement kit, but it was a huge job to replace. However, once it was done, the clutch lever adjustment was much more stable.
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Maybe adding a second rotor because of stopping power?
I prefer a quieter motor but don’t mind the noise on my V7 850 because the Agostini’s help. :thumb:
I am planning that. Slowly picking up the parts as I find them.
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I’ve now owned 3 hydro 1100 Calis and 2 solid lifter Calis. It’s splitting hairs to me but a well sorted hyro motor with proper recall is a small bit smoother to me. Alternately, and this is just my seat of the pants impression, I think the solid lifter bikes had a little bit more oomph. Again, that was just my impression and could be colored by the fact the hydro is smoother, but the acceleration on the 1100 solid bikes could sometimes be a little surprising and grin inducing to me whereas the hydros are the slightest bit more predictable to me. Anyhow. As you know from my recent build, , you can always add a 2nd disc up front if you want. It’s relatively easy and bolts right up. I agree with a couple other posters that the EVs are nice bikes but I hate floorboards and I personally didn’t like some of the chrome plated plastic on the EVs. I also think the kind of duckbill tail light setup on the EVs is not quite ugly, but not my preference. That’s just me; I prefer the more simple look of the Stones.
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From memory of my 04 hydro compared to my 02 solid lifter Stone there’s one thing that comes to mind.
The hydro would come to life, very explosively starting around 4K to redline. Sort of like a 4 barrel Holly coming in.
Where the 02 Stone just pulls strong throughout the acceleration from start low RPM to redline.
Not saying one is better than the other, just the difference I can recall from the hydro a few years ago.
I think either motor is a great motorcycle motor!
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Thanks Brian and Dan!