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Title: V7 850 won't start
Post by: blackbuell on September 16, 2022, 06:18:52 AM
V7 850 special was purchased new from Cadre in March; has 4,600 miles on odo. The day after returning home from Ohio rally, the bike wouldn't start. Normal light show when ignition key turned on, but no click and starter action. I put battery on charger; when charger indicates full charge, still no start. My guess is battery is shot. There was no prior hint of any electrical issue.

I will get the battery tested. If it is the battery, will it be covered under warranty? What other underlying issue might cause a 6 month old battery to die? Suggestions for a good replacement battery?

Thanks,

Jon
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: blu guzz on September 16, 2022, 06:42:59 AM
I warped a rear brake rotor on my 1400 through very aggressive mountain riding.  I was very pleasantly surprised that it was warrantied since it is usually considered a "wear item".  Also, on my 85, one of the heat shields broke from vibration, they warrantied this too.  So, I am optimistic for a new battery for you under warranty if that is what it is.
Good luck.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Chethro on September 16, 2022, 07:21:08 AM
I would just call them and ask. They are very good to deal with. They bent over backwards to get me a new spark plug cap which I broke doing a valve adjustment. They may give you an idea if there is anything else to check for.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: kpmurphy on September 16, 2022, 08:52:33 AM
Check the battery voltage with a multi meter. Should be >12.5 volts. I had the same symptoms on my v7 850. Could be the start button. Take apart the right handle bar menu/start button switch. Use some very fine sandpaper and clean the start button contacts. Apply a thin film of dielectric grease to the contacts and re-assemble. Sometimes if the bike gets wet the contacts this can happen. My v7 850 is hesitant to turnover after riding home in the rain from the Ohio rally.
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Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: blackbuell on September 16, 2022, 09:05:27 AM
KP,

We did ride through rain on the way home from the Ohio rally. I decided to look over the battery cables before removing the battery; all looked fine, no evidence of corrosion. I also turned relevant switches on and off a few times, also moved the side stand up and down a few times. Tried to start the bike, and it came to life just fine. Perhaps it has the same issue that your bike had.  I will look over the start button contacts.

Thanks,

Jon
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Vagrant on September 16, 2022, 09:56:06 AM
Check the battery voltage with a multi meter. Should be >12.5 volts. I had the same symptoms on my v7 850. Could be the start button. Take apart the right handle bar menu/start button switch. Use some very fine sandpaper and clean the start button contacts. Apply a thin film of dielectric grease to the contacts and re-assemble. Sometimes if the bike gets wet the contacts this can happen. My v7 850 is hesitant to turnover after riding home in the rain from the Ohio rally.
(https://i.ibb.co/tXG2d8W/8-A1980-E2-6-BA7-46-C0-BC99-7053-B32-E7-D15.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tXG2d8W)



THIS!
These switches are a POS! I cured my 2017 with deoxit. I now have a 2016 that works fine most of the time but sometimes it does nothing. It comes apart today.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on September 16, 2022, 10:42:50 AM
Until you measure the battery Voltage you are just guessing
My new V7III had a bad alternator right out of the box, I had to prove that to the dealer before they would budge, eventually I got a replacement.
Try charging the battery
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: pehayes on September 16, 2022, 10:59:11 AM
Read your warranty details.  Batteries, tires, windshield wipers, etc. are manufactured by others and covered by their own, separate warranties.  You will likely find that the battery warranty period is much shorter than the moto warranty.

Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: blackbuell on September 16, 2022, 11:08:08 AM
Battery is fine. I think the issue is with the starter switch. Will now make sure to always carry tools and other things that I might need to fix the issue on the road.

Thanks for the input.

Jon
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: egschade on September 17, 2022, 07:19:24 AM
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Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: buck on September 19, 2022, 07:00:59 PM
This happened to my V7 after purchasing last October and riding hundreds of miles in the rain. I took apart the switch, cleaned the contacts and applied dielectric grease. It’s been almost a year and it has never malfunctioned again.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: kingoffleece on September 19, 2022, 07:57:21 PM
A little after the fact.  I treat every electrical contact, switch, relay, and everything electric twice a year with ACF-50 from new. Helps and prevents these sort of annoyances.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: mechanicsavant on September 20, 2022, 08:23:03 AM
I had a similar issue with my 21 V7/850 . Occasionally no crank , check side stand , up. Neutral yup . Wait a min. Cycle key on & off , starts ? After a few of these occasions I noticed I was ever so slightly opening the throttle when I reached for the starter button . Since I’ve been sure to hold throttle fully closed . Problem hasn’t reoccured “yet” .that’s all I got .
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Beowulf on September 20, 2022, 09:31:14 AM
A little after the fact.  I treat every electrical contact, switch, relay, and everything electric twice a year with ACF-50 from new. Helps and prevents these sort of annoyances.

I use acf 50 as well. Works great
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Muzz on September 20, 2022, 06:59:49 PM
I'm assuming you have checked the sidestand switch and made sure the kill switch is ok?
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: DirtFarmer on September 20, 2022, 07:49:15 PM
There have been several V7 850’s that have had problems with their starter switch.    Moisture has been the most common cause, easy fix. 
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: fotoguzzi on September 20, 2022, 08:29:27 PM
I would not use dialectic grease for that.

What The Heck Is Dielectric Grease? - The Drivehttps://www.thedrive.com › The Garage
dielectric grease from www.thedrive.com
Aug 6, 2021 — Dielectric, sometimes referred to as tune-up grease, is a viscous non-conductive waterproof substance used to protect electrical connections ...

It’s for outside the contact area.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: joe-dean on September 20, 2022, 08:29:50 PM
I agree with vagrant crappy starter button. I wiggled the harness from the switch then starts I just put up with it
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: buck on September 20, 2022, 11:59:05 PM
I would not use dialectic grease for that.

What The Heck Is Dielectric Grease? - The Drivehttps://www.thedrive.com › The Garage
dielectric grease from www.thedrive.com
Aug 6, 2021 — Dielectric, sometimes referred to as tune-up grease, is a viscous non-conductive waterproof substance used to protect electrical connections ...

It’s for outside the contact area.

Nothing wrong at all with using dielectric grease, and like I said it’s been in my starter switch for nearly a year now. The purpose of the grease is to keep water from corroding the metal contacts again.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on September 21, 2022, 04:06:41 AM
This happened to my V7 after purchasing last October and riding hundreds of miles in the rain. I took apart the switch, cleaned the contacts and applied dielectric grease. It’s been almost a year and it has never malfunctioned again.
Please dont use di-electric grease, plain old Vaseline from the baby isle at your local supermarket is the bees knees.for moving contacts.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Vagrant on September 21, 2022, 08:20:02 AM
I got mad Sunday night after another fail on my switch. Unfortunately I never thought to take a pic.
The rocker itself is cheap somewhat flexible plastic. Why they couldn't just use a plain button like everybody else is beyond me. Take the top off of the switch, remove one throttle cable, warning do not try to start the bike with it off, remove one tiny screw to get the switch out, there is a contact disc on the bottom then a cone shaped spring sitting on it. The spring has a small metal slug like the screw off top on a spark plug. It has a tiny area on one end that is turned down a few thousands to let it sit into the spring. I think this is the problem, it should be sticking down into the spring 1/8" farther to always make good contact. You might be able to put some epoxy or JB weld into the recess of the rocker to make it go down farther. Turning it down on a lathe would be ideal. If I have to take it apart again, I will try that. You can tell the rocker flexes all around and just doesn't shove the little slug positivly into the lower contact disc. If I had thought to do this I think I would have solved the problem once and forever. As it is I just cleaned up the slug and contact plate and used some vaso
(https://i.ibb.co/4N9zxRN/Scan-20220921.png) (https://ibb.co/4N9zxRN)
line on them. Hopefully the first guy to try this will take good pics.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Huzo on September 21, 2022, 01:25:19 PM
Please dont use di-electric grease, plain old Vaseline from the baby isle at your local supermarket is the bees knees.for moving contacts.
I always hate being seen buying that stuff.
“I’m getting it for a friend” doesn’t go far towards getting you off the hook either… :embarrassed:
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: buck on September 21, 2022, 11:11:11 PM
I always hate being seen buying that stuff.
“I’m getting it for a friend” doesn’t go far towards getting you off the hook either… :embarrassed:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but facts are facts. Anything that coats the contacts and keeps them from corroding without inhibiting their ability to still make contact will work fine - you could use wheel bearing grease if you wanted to - which is the reason dielectric grease is just fine as well. I might have a clue of what I’m talking about, as I’ve held master technician certification since 1993. Among other things, electrical and electronic work was a specialty of mine.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Kev m on September 22, 2022, 06:11:25 AM
I always hate being seen buying that stuff.
“I’m getting it for a friend” doesn’t go far towards getting you off the hook either… :embarrassed:

My BIL was a checkout guy at a local grocery when he was in high school.

I remember the day he said this creepy looking customer bought a huge jar of Vaseline and a couple of big cans of tuna fish.

He had this strange feeling the purchases were related.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: greer on September 22, 2022, 06:16:07 AM
blackbuell, have you opened up the switch housing?  I'm wondering if it works the same as Vagrant's '16.  Mine is working fine, so I hesitate to mess with it.  Especially since little springs want to fly off in every direction at a mere glance from me.

Sarah
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: blackbuell on September 22, 2022, 06:37:24 AM
Sarah,

Yes, I have opened up the housing, and it appears to be just as Vagrant has described. In support of his explanation for the problem, I can get the switch to work only if I press the tab so hard that I worry it might break, and even then it doesn't always work.

Jon
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: greer on September 22, 2022, 07:28:51 AM
Dang.  If it's still apart, would you mind posting a picture or two? 

Sarah
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Vagrant on September 22, 2022, 09:04:16 AM
Dang.  If it's still apart, would you mind posting a picture or two? 

Sarah

Sarah, if yours works don't try to fix it. Just spray some De-oxit in once a year.
I think Blackbuell needs to try my idea.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: blackbuell on September 23, 2022, 06:39:19 PM
Cadre will replace the switch under warranty,

Jon
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: greer on September 24, 2022, 05:05:14 AM
Good!  I need to look into De-oxit and ACF 50.

Sarah
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on January 19, 2023, 01:47:56 PM
I know this post is over a year old but my starter switch on my 21 v7 stone centenario acted up today.  If I apply light pressure at about the 3/4 travel point the switch would work.  If I push on it normal in one hard press ….nothing.  It only did it a couple of times and is working fine now.  Il try some DEOXIT Spray contact cleaner I guess.  Geezzz…..
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: joe-dean on January 19, 2023, 02:17:31 PM
crummy switch mine used to do the same thing try contact cleaner
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on January 19, 2023, 03:07:12 PM
crummy switch mine used to do the same thing try contact cleaner

I ordered some more spray on contact cleaner and will see if that helps.  Bike does me no good if it won’t start sometimes!  Lol.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Vagrant on January 19, 2023, 06:18:36 PM
Frankly, the switch is a POS!
When I got to Az a few weeks ago, my 16 V7II pulled the same crap and I thought I had fixed it months ago. I had to flip the kill switch a few times and kept hitting the button maybe ten times and it fired right up.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on January 19, 2023, 10:13:44 PM
Frankly, the switch is a POS!
When I got to Az a few weeks ago, my 16 V7II pulled the same crap and I thought I had fixed it months ago. I had to flip the kill switch a few times and kept hitting the button maybe ten times and it fired right up.

POS IS RIGHT!  Don’t know what I’m going to do other than the Deoxit contact cleaner.  Getting a new switch won’t help if it’s a design flaw!  Geezzzz
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on January 19, 2023, 10:43:42 PM
Good!  I need to look into De-oxit and ACF 50.

Sarah

Is your start switch working well now after applying DE-Oxit and ACF50?  I’m having intermittent issues with mine on the 2021 v7 stone centenario!  Darn it! 
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on January 21, 2023, 11:56:30 AM
I rode to the gas station today.  Wouldn’t turn over after I refueled.  Cycled/tried about ten times and voila, the start switch finally made contact.  I’m thinking if I get a new starter switch it will have the same problem if it’s in the design?

Rode bike home and it started on every button push.  Geeezzzz?????  Lol
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: buck on January 21, 2023, 12:29:01 PM
Earlier in this thread after I posted my advice about fixing the starter switch someone posted that you shouldn’t use dielectric grease on the switch. They are wrong. I’ve been certified as a Master Technician for nearly 30 years and stand by my original advice. Disassemble the switch, lightly dress the contacts to get any corrosion, dirt or film off of them, apply dielectric grease and your issue will be solved. It’s been over a year and almost 10,000 miles, and it hasn’t hesitated to crank/start even once since I did this.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on January 21, 2023, 01:39:10 PM
Earlier in this thread after I posted my advice about fixing the starter switch someone posted that you shouldn’t use dielectric grease on the switch. They are wrong. I’ve been certified as a Master Technician for nearly 30 years and stand by my original advice. Disassemble the switch, lightly dress the contacts to get any corrosion, dirt or film off of them, apply dielectric grease and your issue will be solved. It’s been over a year and almost 10,000 miles, and it hasn’t hesitated to crank/start even once since I did this.

Thank you
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Huzo on January 21, 2023, 02:55:42 PM
My BIL was a checkout guy at a local grocery when he was in high school.

I remember the day he said this creepy looking customer bought a huge jar of Vaseline and a couple of big cans of tuna fish.

He had this strange feeling the purchases were related.
:rolleyes: :thumb:
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Huzo on January 21, 2023, 02:59:01 PM
crummy switch mine used to do the same thing try contact cleaner
I’d be sick to death of it by now.
I would have pulled the relevant wires, blanked off the switch and installed a good quality, heavy duty sealed push button one….
In addition.
If it’s anything like the V85 then it has a piddly little female connector that slides on to the starter motor in the solenoid area. The Norge one is pathetic (at least used to be…).
If this is frail/corroded or otherwise rooted, you’ll not get current to the solenoid to pull the contacts in and you’ll hear no “click” as you describe.
Also when you check the battery cables, do both ends.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Moparnut72 on January 21, 2023, 06:51:00 PM
https://www.thedrive.com/maintenance-repair/39173/dielectric-grease

No more to be said.
kk
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on January 22, 2023, 04:00:11 AM
I will be pulling the switch housing apart today to fix it…..hopefully! 
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: john fish on January 22, 2023, 07:02:39 AM
https://www.thedrive.com/maintenance-repair/39173/dielectric-grease

No more to be said.
kk


Well, there is disagreement on that page.  From that link:

Fun is greater than Fast
3 March, 2021

Dielectric grease is great for any high current, large terminal connectors: batteries, bulbs, spark plugs, etc. But, be very careful when using dielectric grease on smaller connectors.  Dielectric grease is very sticky and will pick up any dust or grit it contacts.  This grit becomes an abrasive and destroys the electrical terminal plating very quickly, leading to a completely failed electrical connection.

Another factor is the fact that some NOx, O2 and pressure sensors use the electrical connection as the atmospheric pressure reference.  Applying grease to these will cause the sensor reading to drift over time.  If you put dielectric grease on a sensor, actuator or ECU you could be spending hours cleaning it all out next time you disconnect it, or replacing that device and harness all together.

Rule of thumb from actual electrical connector companies is: If you need dielectric grease, the connector and/or seals are already damaged and should be replaced.  Do not add grease as a preventative measure unless directed by the manufacturer.

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Brian Ter Keurst
9 December, 2022

as a commercial aviation mechanic, I agree.

In my line of work there are NO DEVIATIONS from THE AMM(aircraft maintenance manual)

PERIOD!!!

lives are at stake in my job and I "NEVER" go beyond what the manufacturer states is the proper procedure to the T.




There is also this bit regarding Vaseline use:

Q: Yeah, But Is Vaseline a Dielectric Grease?
A: Dielectric grease is different from Vaseline, as it uses a silicone base while Vaseline is petroleum jelly, which is made of waxes and minerals. Don’t use Vaseline in your car.


Personally, I tend to listen to the aircraft guys.  That seems to be the safest action.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on January 22, 2023, 07:59:18 AM

Well, there is disagreement on that page.  From that link:

Fun is greater than Fast
3 March, 2021

Dielectric grease is great for any high current, large terminal connectors: batteries, bulbs, spark plugs, etc. But, be very careful when using dielectric grease on smaller connectors.  Dielectric grease is very sticky and will pick up any dust or grit it contacts.  This grit becomes an abrasive and destroys the electrical terminal plating very quickly, leading to a completely failed electrical connection.

Another factor is the fact that some NOx, O2 and pressure sensors use the electrical connection as the atmospheric pressure reference.  Applying grease to these will cause the sensor reading to drift over time.  If you put dielectric grease on a sensor, actuator or ECU you could be spending hours cleaning it all out next time you disconnect it, or replacing that device and harness all together.

Rule of thumb from actual electrical connector companies is: If you need dielectric grease, the connector and/or seals are already damaged and should be replaced.  Do not add grease as a preventative measure unless directed by the manufacturer.

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Brian Ter Keurst
9 December, 2022

as a commercial aviation mechanic, I agree.

In my line of work there are NO DEVIATIONS from THE AMM(aircraft maintenance manual)

PERIOD!!!

lives are at stake in my job and I "NEVER" go beyond what the manufacturer states is the proper procedure to the T.




There is also this bit regarding Vaseline use:

Q: Yeah, But Is Vaseline a Dielectric Grease?
A: Dielectric grease is different from Vaseline, as it uses a silicone base while Vaseline is petroleum jelly, which is made of waxes and minerals. Don’t use Vaseline in your car.


Personally, I tend to listen to the aircraft guys.  That seems to be the safest action.

Well I’m leaning toward NOT applying do-electric grease to my 2021 v7 stone starter switch then.  Il take it apart and try to see why it’s not making contact intermittently. 
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: john fish on January 22, 2023, 11:35:35 AM
To be perfectly clear, I am not trying to create or win a debate here.  I am just an untrained guy who works on his own bikes and is trying to wade through the mountain of information out there to try to find best practices. 

If you have been using dielectric grease for years and it works for you-- awesome.  There is a good chance that you are a better mechanic than I am and are working from your experience.  Again, that's awesome. 

For me, I stick with the aviation guys because it is the safest way to proceed.  For me. 
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on January 22, 2023, 01:38:58 PM
I tried some spray contact cleaner on the switch.  Il see how it works now.  I couldn’t get it to not work now but I’m sure when I’m on road next and stop, it won’t restart.  Lol
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: buck on January 22, 2023, 04:34:06 PM
To be perfectly clear, I am not trying to create or win a debate here.  I am just an untrained guy who works on his own bikes and is trying to wade through the mountain of information out there to try to find best practices. 

If you have been using dielectric grease for years and it works for you-- awesome.  There is a good chance that you are a better mechanic than I am and are working from your experience.  Again, that's awesome. 

For me, I stick with the aviation guys because it is the safest way to proceed.  For me.

To each their own. I don’t expect anyone to take my word for anything, but I do openly share my mechanical knowledge to help others when I can. I’ve held Master certification since 1993 and have factory training from Porsche, Audi, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Ford, Harley-Davidson and several others.

The switches on the V7 are easily penetrated by water/moisture. If you buy factory replacements to the best of my knowledge they haven’t been redesigned and they won’t be any better. Dielectric grease gets rid of the issue, but no one has to take my word for it!
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on February 17, 2023, 06:00:08 AM
The switches on the V7 are easily penetrated by water/moisture. If you buy factory replacements to the best of my knowledge they haven’t been redesigned and they won’t be any better. Dielectric grease gets rid of the issue, but no one has to take my word for it!

I tried deoxit and it started correctly through about two weeks of use, and now it doesent start intermittently again, so i guess il take it off and apply some dielectric grease.  Thanks.  Bob
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Vagrant on February 17, 2023, 09:19:59 AM
I got mad Sunday night after another fail on my switch. Unfortunately I never thought to take a pic.
The rocker itself is cheap somewhat flexible plastic. Why they couldn't just use a plain button like everybody else is beyond me. Take the top off of the switch, remove one throttle cable, warning do not try to start the bike with it off, remove one tiny screw to get the switch out, there is a contact disc on the bottom then a cone shaped spring sitting on it. The spring has a small metal slug like the screw off top on a spark plug. It has a tiny area on one end that is turned down a few thousands to let it sit into the spring. I think this is the problem, it should be sticking down into the spring 1/8" farther to always make good contact. You might be able to put some epoxy or JB weld into the recess of the rocker to make it go down farther. Turning it down on a lathe would be ideal. If I have to take it apart again, I will try that. You can tell the rocker flexes all around and just doesn't shove the little slug positivly into the lower contact disc. If I had thought to do this I think I would have solved the problem once and forever. As it is I just cleaned up the slug and contact plate and used some vaso
(https://i.ibb.co/4N9zxRN/Scan-20220921.png) (https://ibb.co/4N9zxRN)
line on them. Hopefully the first guy to try this will take good pics.

Bob, reread this.
Knock on wood, it has only acted up once since I did this.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on February 17, 2023, 09:51:16 AM
Bob, reread this.
Knock on wood, it has only acted up once since I did this.
:thumb:
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: ozarksguzzi on February 17, 2023, 10:21:50 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/XCB6H9Q/20210302-092949-Burst01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XCB6H9Q)

One other option is to find a V7 with points and carbs. 47 years of ownership ( I can't part with ANYTHING) and 70,000 miles it has never left me stranded. Good luck locating the gremlin
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on June 19, 2023, 12:25:54 AM
Thats it.  I know this is an old thread BUT!  Im tired of my switch acting up.  Ive taken it apart.  Applied deoxit, applied Vaseline etc etc.  Even tried to "adjust the depth of the plunger or whatever its called" inside the switch.  Still acting up and left me for about five minutes at the gas station until it just decided to work.  To the shop for a new switch that ACTUALLY WORKS or it will be rewired to a different switch.  Something.  This is fricken ridiculous!  :angry: :angry: :angry: 
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Scout63 on June 19, 2023, 05:40:27 AM
Also check the switch ground path. Bad grounds are common. Given the litany of MG dryer switch issues over the years, I agree with Huzo’s recommendation of installing a good switch.  Maybe even hide it away somewhere cool.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on June 19, 2023, 06:32:13 PM
Also check the switch ground path. Bad grounds are common. Given the litany of MG dryer switch issues over the years, I agree with Huzo’s recommendation of installing a good switch.  Maybe even hide it away somewhere cool.

Maybe il install something like this if the dealer cant fix/replace original switch. 
(https://i.ibb.co/kgNd4Zn/mometary-switch-12-volt-waterproof.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kgNd4Zn)
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on June 19, 2023, 06:44:12 PM
Maybe this one!

https://www.amazon.com/Fastronix-Button-Momentary-Switch-Neoprene/dp/B019BH6O0M/ref=asc_df_B019BH6O0M?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79920806112361&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583520395219359&psc=1
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on June 19, 2023, 07:09:40 PM
Maybe this one!

https://www.amazon.com/Fastronix-Button-Momentary-Switch-Neoprene/dp/B019BH6O0M/ref=asc_df_B019BH6O0M?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79920806112361&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583520395219359&psc=1

Or this will fix the da*& problem!!!


(https://i.ibb.co/8gZ5HW3/dynamite-pic.png) (https://ibb.co/8gZ5HW3)
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Tkelly on June 19, 2023, 08:52:48 PM
Our v7 special did that,I had to flick the kill,switch until it would start.Problem seemed to occur when I used the kill switch sinstead of turning off the key.The fix was to,spray wd 40 while flicking the switch and avoiding moisture.When my wife rode it she never used the kill switch and never had a problem.
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Moparnut72 on June 20, 2023, 08:00:30 AM
I have read about that in the past. I don't remember if it was on this forum or the Triumph forum. I started riding long before manufacturers were putting these on their bikes so I never got into the habit of using one. So I never touch the thing, that's what the ignition switch is for. Someone somewhere has said that in an owners manual it was stated that the kill switch was for emergencies and not for shutting down the bike. Makes sense to me but I don't know if that would be the cause of your problem.
kk
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on June 20, 2023, 10:18:36 AM
I have read about that in the past. I don't remember if it was on this forum or the Triumph forum. I started riding long before manufacturers were putting these on their bikes so I never got into the habit of using one. So I never touch the thing, that's what the ignition switch is for. Someone somewhere has said that in an owners manual it was stated that the kill switch was for emergencies and not for shutting down the bike. Makes sense to me but I don't know if that would be the cause of your problem.
kk

It’s a bad design of the starter button.  I do not use the kill switch.  I use the key/ignition to shut it off.  When it starts…lol
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on March 08, 2024, 04:18:08 PM
UPDATE:  I flooded my starter button with Deoxit three weeks ago.  So far no starting problems since!  Woo hoo!!!
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Vagrant on March 08, 2024, 05:01:09 PM
UPDATE:  I flooded my starter button with Deoxit three weeks ago.  So far no starting problems since!  Woo hoo!!!

didn't we suggest that a year ago?
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on March 08, 2024, 05:46:49 PM
didn't we suggest that a year ago?

I sprayed Deoxit on the switch a year ago and it didn’t work.  My point is this time I sprayed a whole bunch of it in the switch and it seems to be working. 
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Vagrant on March 09, 2024, 09:02:49 AM
It's actually more sealed up than it looks. My v7-2 is working for 7000 miles with just a big flushing spray. The v7-3 that I took apart was still working when I parked it for the winter in Dec. Knock on wood!
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: bobrebos1 on March 09, 2024, 10:19:22 AM
It's actually more sealed up than it looks. My v7-2 is working for 7000 miles with just a big flushing spray. The v7-3 that I took apart was still working when I parked it for the winter in Dec. Knock on wood!

Great to hear! 
Title: Re: V7 850 won't start
Post by: Moparnut72 on March 09, 2024, 11:09:17 AM
I use CRC (?) Contact Cleaner on things like this. My KitchenAid mixer switch needs a somewhat regular treatment as do my boat trailer electrical connectors.
kk