Author Topic: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)  (Read 2432 times)

Offline Murray

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 3048
New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« on: August 04, 2021, 08:19:47 AM »
So a new bike was rumored for the 100th anniversary event, with the event postponed would the release be postponed as well (highly unlike me thinks), does it even exist? Is it the anniversary model with its colour tank swap hey we have a new model al la the motor company? I''d really like to see something genuinely new.

Online blackcat

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 8854
  • Location: USA
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2021, 08:31:27 AM »
No spy shots, no chatter about a new engine,etc this close to the unveiling.....perso nally I'm not expecting much.
1968 Norton Fastback
1976 Lemans
1981 CX-100
1993 1000S
1997 Daytona RS
2007 Red Norge

Offline Scud

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 1192
  • Location: Carlsbad, CA
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2021, 07:12:00 PM »
Since we're speculating... or maybe just wishing... how about a new LeMans?

They build the V7 Sport with an 850 motor. How hard would it be to turn that into a LeMans with premium suspension and new bodywork and pipes?
1989 Moto Guzzi LeMans
2002 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport Scura
2017 Husqvarna 701 Enduro
2017 Moto Guzzi Stelvio NTX
2020 Yamaha TW200

Offline twowheeladdict

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 6149
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2021, 08:40:15 PM »
The real speculation is how many on this forum are ready to open their wallets if Moto Guzzi puts out a new 850 in the design of their liking? 
2022 Moto Guzzi V85TT Guardia D'onore
2018 V7 III Carbon Dark #0009 of 1921
2018 Road Glide Special
2021 Kawasaki KLX300SM
2017 Suzuki Van Van 200
2009 Harley Davidson Softail Custom

Wildguzzi.com

Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2021, 08:40:15 PM »

Online Dirk_S

  • www.dirkshearer.com
  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 1506
  • Doodler of doodles
    • www.DirkShearer.com
  • Location: Portland, Maine, U.S.
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2021, 09:24:31 PM »
The real speculation is how many on this forum are ready to open their wallets if Moto Guzzi puts out a new 850 in the design of their liking?

Enough, I bet. But, I also don’t think this forum represents the Guzzi owners demographic, and so potentially basing a preconception off the folks on here would be fallible (not saying that you or anyone else is, but if they were…). That, or the fresh faces just don’t like to post here much and/or prefer other media to post on.
Current: ‘16 Guzzi V7 II Stone, ‘78 BMW R80/7

Previous: ‘15 Ural Gear Up, ‘77 Kawasaki KZ400 Special, ‘78 Honda CX500S, ‘80 Honda CX500D, ‘11 Suzuki TU250X

Online Turin

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 5146
    • crap and stuff
  • Location: Chandler, Arizona
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2021, 10:23:18 PM »
Sources in Italy mention a new Nevada based on the V9. 2 tone paint, leather bags, and forward controls.
1997 Daytona RS
1991 Rennsport California III
1991 LeMans 1000
1987 LeMans SE Dave's Cycle Racer
1984 LeMans III
1985 Sidlow Guzzi
1974 850-T Sport
1969 A-series Ambassador
1996 Triumph Daytona 1200
1996 Triumph Daytona 900
1982 Alfa Romeo GTV6 Balocco SE 3.0

Offline s1120

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 2161
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2021, 07:18:50 AM »
The real speculation is how many on this forum are ready to open their wallets if Moto Guzzi puts out a new 850 in the design of their liking?

I bet a fair amount if its more then a rebadge/color. Look at how many on here have literally ran out to get the V85 when it hit, and also the new V7's now just coming out.  Granted a lot of us like our old rides, and that's great, but there are quite a few here that are spending their hard earn green.
Paul B

Online blackcat

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 8854
  • Location: USA
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2021, 08:05:49 AM »
Sources in Italy mention a new Nevada based on the V9. 2 tone paint, leather bags, and forward controls.

Ugh, I’d rather own a Sportster.
1968 Norton Fastback
1976 Lemans
1981 CX-100
1993 1000S
1997 Daytona RS
2007 Red Norge

Offline twowheeladdict

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 6149
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2021, 08:49:25 AM »
Ugh, I’d rather own a Sportster.

Agree. Wish I would have had the fu ds when a camp host offered me his 1200 touring sportster last summer.  Sure was a beautiful bike with many tasteful upgrades. 
2022 Moto Guzzi V85TT Guardia D'onore
2018 V7 III Carbon Dark #0009 of 1921
2018 Road Glide Special
2021 Kawasaki KLX300SM
2017 Suzuki Van Van 200
2009 Harley Davidson Softail Custom

Online Dirk_S

  • www.dirkshearer.com
  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 1506
  • Doodler of doodles
    • www.DirkShearer.com
  • Location: Portland, Maine, U.S.
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2021, 08:54:42 AM »
Someone mentioned a while back they 'heard' that a new Le Mans 850 was coming out.

It was just mentioned that "word out of Italy is that a new Nevada is coming out."

Are both of these just whispers and rumors, or can we dig up some literature that's closer to legit sources? Because otherwise, it's pointless to be whispering what we THINK is coming up.
Current: ‘16 Guzzi V7 II Stone, ‘78 BMW R80/7

Previous: ‘15 Ural Gear Up, ‘77 Kawasaki KZ400 Special, ‘78 Honda CX500S, ‘80 Honda CX500D, ‘11 Suzuki TU250X

Offline bad Chad

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 9551
  • Location: Central Il
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2021, 09:03:22 AM »
The idea that it would be a refreshed Nevada is BS.   A  v9 Nevada would be too close to the existing V9 Roamer, and it's not like the Roamer is a super hot seller.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2021, 09:03:50 AM by bad Chad »
2007 Breva 1100  Red Arrow (and faster than yours!)
2016 CSC 250TT Zongshen
2017 V9 Roamer

Offline Mayor_of_BBQ

  • Instagram: @Mayor_of_BBQ
  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 3618
  • 'Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski'
  • Location: Asheville, NC
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2021, 09:27:14 AM »
The idea that it would be a refreshed Nevada is BS.   A  v9 Nevada would be too close to the existing V9 Roamer, and it's not like the Roamer is a super hot seller.

I dont even think the Roamer made the cut for 2021? AFAIK just the Bobber is the whole V9 series now? Why would you drop that from the line-up and then re-release it with bags and a windshield?  Not like the Florida/Nevada was ever a real hot seller in the first place
Chad (Shadrach) in Asheville NC
1979 LeMans CX-100 (battle axe)
2007 Breva 1100 (Sport 1200 tribute)

Offline bad Chad

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 9551
  • Location: Central Il
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2021, 09:59:23 AM »
The Roamer is still current in much of the rest of the world.  It's been in continues production since 2016, it's just North America that doesn't seem to appreciate her.
2007 Breva 1100  Red Arrow (and faster than yours!)
2016 CSC 250TT Zongshen
2017 V9 Roamer

Online blackcat

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 8854
  • Location: USA
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2021, 10:04:42 AM »


Small block, single disc?
1968 Norton Fastback
1976 Lemans
1981 CX-100
1993 1000S
1997 Daytona RS
2007 Red Norge

Offline twowheeladdict

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 6149
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2021, 11:35:02 AM »


Small block, single disc?

Nothing wrong with a single disk if it is sized right and mated with the right caliper to do the job. 

My new KLX300SM has the single disk, but is larger than the dual sport KLX300, and provides one finger braking.  The testers who took them on the cart tracks did not report any fade. 
2022 Moto Guzzi V85TT Guardia D'onore
2018 V7 III Carbon Dark #0009 of 1921
2018 Road Glide Special
2021 Kawasaki KLX300SM
2017 Suzuki Van Van 200
2009 Harley Davidson Softail Custom

Offline LowRyter

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 16685
  • Location: Edmond OK
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2021, 12:30:02 PM »
Since we're speculating... or maybe just wishing... how about a new LeMans?

They build the V7 Sport with an 850 motor. How hard would it be to turn that into a LeMans with premium suspension and new bodywork and pipes?

LeMans Light   :sad:
John L 
When life gets you down remember it's one down and the rest are up.  (1-N-23456)

Offline Mayor_of_BBQ

  • Instagram: @Mayor_of_BBQ
  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 3618
  • 'Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski'
  • Location: Asheville, NC
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2021, 12:39:54 PM »
LeMans Light   :sad:

Most of the LeMans bikes produced have been 850's??????? LM I, II, III????
Chad (Shadrach) in Asheville NC
1979 LeMans CX-100 (battle axe)
2007 Breva 1100 (Sport 1200 tribute)

Offline fotoguzzi

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 19931
  • vee git tooh soon oldt und too late wise -my Dad
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2021, 12:42:49 PM »
Ugh, I’d rather own a Sportster.
yeah, or even a Vespa.
MINNEAPOLIS, MN

Online blackcat

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 8854
  • Location: USA
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2021, 12:47:26 PM »
"Nothing wrong with a single disk if it is sized right and mated with the right caliper to do the job."

The KLX is 300+lbs and 300cc's so I'm sure that the single disc isn't a problem but a 100+hp LeMans that would go toe to toe with a Triumph Thruxton RS should have dual discs and good suspension IMO.   
1968 Norton Fastback
1976 Lemans
1981 CX-100
1993 1000S
1997 Daytona RS
2007 Red Norge

Online Dirk_S

  • www.dirkshearer.com
  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 1506
  • Doodler of doodles
    • www.DirkShearer.com
  • Location: Portland, Maine, U.S.
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2021, 12:51:00 PM »
"Nothing wrong with a single disk if it is sized right and mated with the right caliper to do the job."

The KLX is 300+lbs and 300cc's so I'm sure that the single disc isn't a problem but a 100+hp LeMans that would go toe to toe with a Triumph Thruxton RS should have dual discs and good suspension IMO.

A small block isn't going to put out 100 HP, so...just a single disc seems to work fine. Problem solved :)
Current: ‘16 Guzzi V7 II Stone, ‘78 BMW R80/7

Previous: ‘15 Ural Gear Up, ‘77 Kawasaki KZ400 Special, ‘78 Honda CX500S, ‘80 Honda CX500D, ‘11 Suzuki TU250X

Offline twowheeladdict

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 6149
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2021, 01:49:28 PM »
"Nothing wrong with a single disk if it is sized right and mated with the right caliper to do the job."

The KLX is 300+lbs and 300cc's so I'm sure that the single disc isn't a problem but a 100+hp LeMans that would go toe to toe with a Triumph Thruxton RS should have dual discs and good suspension IMO.

You didn't specify a 100+ HP LeMans in your post though. You didn't specify anything except "small block, single disc?"  Even then, it is all about the size of the disk, whether it is floating, vented, and how large the brake pads and how many pistons on the caliper. 

If they through two 200 mm discs with single pot calipers they would meet two discs and you would be happy I assume. 

Just like people saying a bike needs another gear without specifying that it needs an overdrive gear, a granny gear, or just another gear so that it can have closer ratios. 
2022 Moto Guzzi V85TT Guardia D'onore
2018 V7 III Carbon Dark #0009 of 1921
2018 Road Glide Special
2021 Kawasaki KLX300SM
2017 Suzuki Van Van 200
2009 Harley Davidson Softail Custom

Online blackcat

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 8854
  • Location: USA
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2021, 02:10:13 PM »
You didn't specify anything except "small block, single disc?"

I was asking a question; IMO if it's just a rehash of the small block then why bother with the fuzzy photo if it's just a paint job and a couple of doodads?  The photo implies something so exciting that we want to keep it hidden until it's unveiling, and maybe (hopefully) that is what will happen.

And I'm not trying to go out of my way to be negative here, small blocks are fine, they are what they are and I'm glad they are making money from the bikes at this present time but the competition is moving on.

At least in the past, Guzzi tried to keep up with BMW but that is way in the distant past. Maybe they want to dominate Benelli for the time being?
1968 Norton Fastback
1976 Lemans
1981 CX-100
1993 1000S
1997 Daytona RS
2007 Red Norge

Offline Mayor_of_BBQ

  • Instagram: @Mayor_of_BBQ
  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 3618
  • 'Ever thus to deadbeats, Lebowski'
  • Location: Asheville, NC
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2021, 02:12:24 PM »
how the hell can ya'll see if it's a single disk in that pic   :popcorn:
Chad (Shadrach) in Asheville NC
1979 LeMans CX-100 (battle axe)
2007 Breva 1100 (Sport 1200 tribute)

Online blackcat

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 8854
  • Location: USA
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2021, 02:24:08 PM »
how the hell can ya'll see if it's a single disk in that pic   :popcorn:

I can't see it either, just asked the question, but it does look like a small non-Classic bike with a single rear shock. 
1968 Norton Fastback
1976 Lemans
1981 CX-100
1993 1000S
1997 Daytona RS
2007 Red Norge

Offline fotoguzzi

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 19931
  • vee git tooh soon oldt und too late wise -my Dad
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2021, 02:26:34 PM »
By using imagination?

when MG celebrates their 100 year anniversary a year late at 101.. Maybe they will have time to imagine something new, aren't they always late to the party?
MINNEAPOLIS, MN

Offline Scud

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 1192
  • Location: Carlsbad, CA
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2021, 03:21:01 PM »
Most of the LeMans bikes produced have been 850's??????? LM I, II, III????

Agreed. That's what I was thinking when I wrote my earlier post. Look how well the new V7s have done for Moto Guzzi - and how similar they appear to the original V7. The original V7 Sport is one of the most collectible post-60s Guzzis. Also highly collectible: the original 850 LeMans, which also happens to be (IMO) one of the best looking bikes Guzzi ever made.

The V7s have attracted a lot of younger (even first-time) riders. Some of them might be ready for 20% more displacement and power. Why not build an 850 LeMans with modern tech and 1977-inspired styling? It could be an upgrade for the V7 owners, and would offer the nostalgia angle for older people.

I don't they will realistically build another real sports bike - at least not so long as Piaggio keeps Aprilia.
1989 Moto Guzzi LeMans
2002 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport Scura
2017 Husqvarna 701 Enduro
2017 Moto Guzzi Stelvio NTX
2020 Yamaha TW200

Online Dirk_S

  • www.dirkshearer.com
  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 1506
  • Doodler of doodles
    • www.DirkShearer.com
  • Location: Portland, Maine, U.S.
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2021, 04:01:28 PM »
Agreed. That's what I was thinking when I wrote my earlier post. Look how well the new V7s have done for Moto Guzzi - and how similar they appear to the original V7. The original V7 Sport is one of the most collectible post-60s Guzzis. Also highly collectible: the original 850 LeMans, which also happens to be (IMO) one of the best looking bikes Guzzi ever made.

The V7s have attracted a lot of younger (even first-time) riders. Some of them might be ready for 20% more displacement and power. Why not build an 850 LeMans with modern tech and 1977-inspired styling? It could be an upgrade for the V7 owners, and would offer the nostalgia angle for older people.

I don't they will realistically build another real sports bike - at least not so long as Piaggio keeps Aprilia.

That bike already exists/existed practically as a factory kit…

https://www.garagemotoguzzi.com/en/sketchbike/
Current: ‘16 Guzzi V7 II Stone, ‘78 BMW R80/7

Previous: ‘15 Ural Gear Up, ‘77 Kawasaki KZ400 Special, ‘78 Honda CX500S, ‘80 Honda CX500D, ‘11 Suzuki TU250X

Offline bad Chad

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 9551
  • Location: Central Il
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2021, 04:01:31 PM »
Guzzi sport bikes, cool as they are, weren't competitive since the mid eighties as I recall. 
So I see no reason why Guzzi couldn't offer a Guzzi sport bike now.  It certainly doesn't need to be competitive with the rest of the market, just make it cool, good and fun!

Something like 130hp would be plenty, use a new motor, Guzzi has a long tradition of lots of motor ingenuity, and give it good suspension!   Make it a halo bike for the brand.  Seems easy peasy.
2007 Breva 1100  Red Arrow (and faster than yours!)
2016 CSC 250TT Zongshen
2017 V9 Roamer

Online blu guzz

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 1138
  • Loves to ride
  • Location: Northern Kentuycky
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2021, 04:03:29 PM »
i am not sure that as fun as it is to talk about a retro lemans that there are that many people that really want to own a cafe style bike.  i know my wrists could not take it.  i will definitely test ride it if they build it, but part with real money, doubtful.
Blue Guzz

Offline egschade

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 1609
  • Eric - MGNOC NJ Rep - mgnocnj.forumotion.com
  • Location: Basking Ridge, NJ
Re: New Guzzi for the 100th (speculation only)
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2021, 06:04:40 PM »
A fresh take on the Rosso Corsa would be easy enough



The elder Eric in NJ

2020 V85TT Adventure
1985 LeMans 1000
2005 BMW F650GS

Past Guzzis:
V65 SP
V7 III
V50
Griso 1200SE Tenni
Breva 1100
EV Touring

 

***Wildguzzi Official Logo High Quality 5 Color Window Decals Back In Stock***
Shipping in USA Only. Awesome quality. Back by popular demand. All proceeds go back into the forum.
http://www.wildguzzi.com/Products/products.htm
Advertise Here