Dipstick weirdness again

[Dofin]

Relatively new 2015 V7 stone owner.  I also posted this very same topic last month.  Changed oil measured 2 ltr per manual/filter change at 6.5K, warmed the engine a few laps around the block, checked oil per manual and the oil read about 3/8 inch over hash marks! 

After forum discussion I just marked the dip rod for indicated level. 

At 4K miles after oil change with with light oil misting of air box there has been no noticeable change in oil level on dip stick.

After some experiance with this bike and reading the forum I figure filling with proper amount of oil IAW manual at oil/filter change, check the oil every so often as I do with any machine with oil.  Still getting comfortable with the V7, so far it is pretty much like any new to me bike and that is a good thing I guess.

[tonUPRacer]

122.05 cu in(2000 cc) per manual

I never put 2 full liters in, but then again I check on the side stand. I usually leave about 2 or 3 oz in the 2nd bottle and that keeps my level in the safe zone when checking on side stand. I do change the filter but don't pre-fill it. YMMV

[Chuck in Indiana]

I can't imagine any way you *could* pre fill a small block filter..

[Cam3512]

There's no way to "pre fill" the filter in these engines. 

EDIT:  Beat me to it Chuck. Got the warning that someone else was posting at the exact same time!

[Chuck in Indiana]

Just had a thought. You could turn the whole bike upside down like we used to do with our bicycles..  Rest it on the handlebars and seat. 

[sib]

Just had a thought. You could turn the whole bike upside down like we used to do with our bicycles..  Rest it on the handlebars and seat. 

Or, if you had some dilithium crystals around, you might be able to reverse gravity.

[Kev m]

As far as I'm concerned prefilling = priming or filling before running the motor or at least before checking final oil level.

So yes you can prefill/prime (though I don't know why you would) simply by turning the motor over by hand or using the starter with the ignition disabled (spark plug leads grounded).

But the real point in bringing it up was to make sure the oil filter was indeed full before declaring the motor overfilled after an oil change.

Jeezzz, you guys could make a fuss over anything.

[Dofin]

True Dat!!   :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu   

[normzone]

Just had a thought. You could turn the whole bike upside down like we used to do with our bicycles..  Rest it on the handlebars and seat. 

Yes, and performing both draining and filling the transmission and engine through the drain hole plugs helps to reduce wear on the dipstick threads as well.

 :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu

[rodekyll]

At one point in time Caterpillar and/or Cummins recommended against filling oil filters before installation because dirt could be introduced to the inside of the filter and therefore directly to the engine oiling system.  Working on heavy equipment I stopped doing it many, many years ago, there is enough oil still on the bearings to lube them while cranking.  According to the engineers who lead our training sessions, the highest load on the bearings is at startup, and no damage would be done if we prevented the engine from starting until the system filled the filters.  On diesels I shut off the fuel, on gas engines I remove spark.  To date I have not lost an engine and remember some filters are mounted upside down, how can you prefill those? Everybody do what pleases themselves and ride far and often!!

Brian

How is dirt going to get in the filter by pouring oil into the filter that wouldn't have gotten into the filter by pouring the same oil directly into the engine? 

Our marine diesels used element filters which displaced a gallon or more.  Can you imagine cranking a dry diesel engine for the minutes it would take until that filter can filled and the element soaked up enough oil to start passing any to the engine?  That's a LOT of unnecessary stress on the battery, starter, etc just to avoid hand-filling the filter.

But the comparison to a 6-oz guzzi filter isn't really fair.  Neither are complaints about upside down filters and the like.  The guzzi doesn't have any of that.  Pour oil into it.  Spin it on.

[bmc5733946]

RK as I said, do what you will.  I only reported what I learned in training from my employer and the manufacturer of many heavy diesels.  I'm not here to argue information is information.  Check out some of the oil forums and so on for arguments either way.  All I know is what I was taught and what I have experienced.  I suppose I've done it wrong for my whole career, guess it's a good thing I'm retired now so I can't damage any more engines.  Experiences in the world of engines, all kinds of engines vary greatly. Please understand that I only offered a different viewpoint for consideration, I can't stop anyone from prefilling or not.

Brian

[rodekyll]

Not arguing with you, BMC.  Just offering that different engines and different filters might have different procedures.