"Creep-A-Zoid" book of the week...(and it's a real BEAUTY!!)

[JJ]

Since I stopped watching commercial TV nine months ago, I have reading more books.  Just finished this one about strange things that happened in 1995-1997 at the Bradshaw Ranch, about 30 minutes from where I now live. 

The government bought the ranch about 2003 and CLOSED IT OFF...like Area 51!!  No access to the public, etc.

The book has it all:  UFO's, strange lights / orbs in the sky, "Grays", alien beings, weird noises and apparitions, animal sightings not from this earth, tracks with three-toed lizard like creatures, alien abductions, missing cattle, animal mutations, armed Men-In-Black, unmarked black helicopters and other similar aircraft, the list goes on and on!!

What really happened down there in 1995-1997? It totally creeped me out....even if a small percentage has some credence...

Anyway...a good night time read if this sort of topic interests you...

[ITSec]

Seems to me Sedona already has enough strange things going on without having to look at government land!

As far as the ranch (or Area 51 for that matter), well, 'nature abhors a vacuum' - and if people can't see what's going on, they'll create an explanation. It doesn't have to be true, it just has to fill the void.

Of course, if you ask them for evidence, they'll just point and say 'But we can't get it, they won't let us in!' 

[oldbike54]

 Like Kirby says ."Yes , there is some weird unexplained stuff in area 51 , but it's OUR weird unexplained stuff" 

 Dusty

[webmost]

Former UN Secretary General U Thant:

"I consider that UFOs are the most important problem facing the United Nations next to the war in Vietnam."

[ITSec]

Former UN Secretary General U Thant:

"I consider that UFOs are the most important problem facing the United Nations next to the war in Vietnam."

A brilliant and effective diplomat - but a bit of a UFO nut throughout his life, reportedly. 

[JJ]

The $64,000 question is...

"Why did the government buy the ranch in 2003, then completely close it off to the public, like Area 51?!?"  Two theories: 

1. It WAS a "portal" and they closed it off... or ...

2.  There is some kind of underground base there, (GOOGLE: Underground base, Dulce, New Mexico)...and they don't want people sniffing around!

 

[oldbike54]

 You guys are all wrong , the "Ranch" is WG's private retreat . Sheesh , you obviously unaware of the huge empire Luap controls 

 Dusty

[JJ]

You guys are all wrong , the "Ranch" is WG's private retreat . Sheesh , you obviously unaware of the huge empire Luap controls 

 Dusty

I never would have guessed!! (LOL)  A large, secret, underground base, chock FULL of alien "GRAYS...all riding vintage Guzzi's!! 

[oldbike54]

I never would have guessed!! (LOL)  A large, secret, underground base, chock FULL of alien "GRAYS...all riding vintage Guzzi's!! 

 Oh you don't know the half of it , we have stuff straight out of Star Trek 

 Dusty

[JJ]

Oh you don't know the half of it , we have stuff straight out of Star Trek 

 Dusty

But do you have an example of the notorious.......... ."STAR TRIKE?!?" (LOL) 

[Turin]

The truth is out there... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tZar4wRP40

[johnr]

What really happened down there in 1995-1997? It totally creeped me out....even if a small percentage has some credence...

When you consider that the govt buy out and closure of the land followed the reported events, the reported events gain a great deal of credence. I mean if there was nothing there why bother, especially given the timing.

I'm constantly surprised at how secretive govts. tend to be, and about what. In this country there are no less than 109 archaeological reports that are embargoed for 50 years! Archaeological Reports!!!   WTF?

It seems to me that if anything turns up that even slightly impinges on much cherished belief systems, common cosmologies or perceived 'standard' histories, it promptly gets stomped by government secrecy and to hell with truth. This seems to be universal.

Just look at the reaction by Egyptian authorities to the work of Doctors Shock and West on the Spinx if you want an example.

[oldbike54]

 I'm pretty sure the Egyptians kept good records that indicate the age of their civilization.
Plus , it isn't just historians that have dated the pyramids , there were geologists , forensic scientists , and other experts that did the heavy lifting .

 Dusty

[oldbike54]

 No , he is making the "facts" fit his theory . There is no evidence to back up his assertions , real science makes observations and then forms theories . If in fact the pyramids are ten thousand plus years old , and were buried for all of those years , then why are all of the bodies buried around the pyramids only about 3 thousand years old , not counting the pottery that dates to the same time .

 Dusty

[johnr]

I've seen Robert Schoch on the Discovery Channel.  His alternative theory of the age of the Sphinx is very interesting.  It's funny that he's the geologist and he's out of the mainstream vs the historians.  So in this case the scientist is considered the flack.

Occasionally Discovery will use some of Schoch's interviews in the Ancient Alien show.  It's not clear whether he endorses those ideas other than his belief that the Sphinx is 10,000 years old.  His evidence is quite compelling.  But this moves the beginning of civilization much further back in time than we've been taught.

The erosion thing is beyond compelling really. I would go as far as to say proven. In the initial stages of the investigation they showed a geology prof who specialised in erosion at Oxford University a photo of the Spinx with enough of it covered so that he could see the erosion but not the context of it's setting. He identified it as water erosion "without any doubt and over a long period of time". when the rest of the picture was uncovered and he saw that it was the Shinx he said "Oh!" and refused any further comment or to be named. Says a lot.

Chefron (sp?) who is accredited with building the Spinx by Egyptian authorities is known to have repaired it. Repaired it? In one lifetime? Not likely!

Personally I think that the case for the Spinx being very much older than the Egyptian Old Kingdom, when the whole thing is looked at in detail, is proved beyond question. The Question is how much older and by whom.

Robert Schocks estimate is, as West pointed out, a bare minimum and extremely conservative as it dates back to the time when rainfall in the region pretty much ended (the end of the ice age) but as West says, By that time the Sphinx and it's enclosure had already been there long enough to get its water erosion weathering.

The building style and features of the Sphinx Temple and concurrent structures is also completely different to those of the old kingdom.

Someone was evidently in a state of high tech well before the Old Kingdom. This is born out by other findings around the world notable among them the much publicised structures at Gobekli-Tepe  in Turkey which are currently thought to stem from circa 12000 BC.

There is simply overwhelming evidence for very ancient civilization popping up every where.

[johnr]

Dusty we are talking about the Sphinx, it's enclosure and its temple here, not the pyramids.

[oldbike54]

 I'm not sure any analogy exists between Gobelke-Tepe and the Egyptian Empire . It is nothing more than some stones arranged into a structure .

 As for the Sphinxes being older than the pyramids , I have never read any convincing evidence that indicates they aren't contemporary with the pyramids . It is not difficult to produce faulty theories to fit a belief , but hard science is not so easy .

 Dusty

[oldbike54]

I never mentioned the pyramids.   And so far as I know neither did Schoch .

But I yield to your expertise of what you think I meant to say and didn't know it.

 True , you didn't mention the pyramids , but most (almost 100%) of the experts believe that the Sphinx was built for Kafra , who built the second Great Pyramid . It was carved out as they quarried the stone for that pyramid .

 Dusty

[oldbike54]

that would be circular logic oh seer. 

The same scholars believing the same thing and applying it to someone that doesn't.

 Well , ya can't convince a true believer .

 Dusty

[oldbike54]

I am not trying to convince you, true believer. 

Just sorting out what was said instead of mis-said.

 Uh , you have that backwards , I'm the skeptic here .

 Dusty

[oldbike54]

No, I am the skeptic.  I don't need to make up my facts to advance an argument or use circular logic.   Don't assume that because I understand an argument that I accept it as fact. 

A de-bunker is not a skeptic.   He's just closed minded.  There is a huge difference.

 Uh sure John  I just don't believe some guy who is using faulty methods and apparently has abandoned the scientific method because he wants to believe the Sphinx is 10,000 years instead of what observable evidence suggests . So if tomorrow some guy who wants a TV show says , " I theorize that the Earth is really a giant turnip because well , it kind of looks like a turnip" , does that make him correct ?

 Dusty

[johnr]

Uh sure John  I just don't believe some guy who is using faulty methods and apparently has abandoned the scientific method because he wants to believe the Sphinx is 10,000 years instead of what observable evidence suggests .

 Dusty

Um, that's not actually true Dusty. Scientific method was exactly what was used and there was nothing faulty about his methods.
Anyway, before this all gets overheated lets have a look at it.

The following is a slightly dramatised doco of the question, but it presents the story rather well. It asks as many questions as it answers but I recommend putting aside a couple of hours and watching it. If nothing else it is thought provoking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWonNtXu8nE

[Aaron D.]

Adam Bradshaw gave us a tour of the Grand Canyon when we were in Sedona in '15, and gave us a copy of his grandfather's book- I suspect the gummint just likes to have the place all those westerns were made all to itself.

[JJ]

Uh sure John  I just don't believe some guy who is using faulty methods and apparently has abandoned the scientific method because he wants to believe the Sphinx is 10,000 years instead of what observable evidence suggests . So if tomorrow some guy who wants a TV show says , " I theorize that the Earth is really a giant turnip because well , it kind of looks like a turnip" , does that make him correct ?

 Dusty

Hey...I thought the earth WAS a "Giant Turnip?!?'  Did I miss something?!? 

[LowRyter]

Um, that's not actually true Dusty. Scientific method was exactly what was used and there was nothing faulty about his methods.
Anyway, before this all gets overheated lets have a look at it.

The following is a slightly dramatised doco of the question, but it presents the story rather well. It asks as many questions as it answers but I recommend putting aside a couple of hours and watching it. If nothing else it is thought provoking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWonNtXu8nE

 

[oldbike54]

 I'm aware of the documentary (?) supporting the claim that the Spinx is 10,000 years
old . The problem is , most scientists believe that if was really that old given that the upper part is carved from really soft rock there wouldn't be any of it left considering how harsh the conditions can be in that part of the world . That , coupled with the fact that dating the Sphinx to 8,000 years BCE poses so many other problems . Civilization advances at a pretty common linear rate , so making the statue that old would require that science assume that there were two great civilization that sprung up some 5,000 years apart , with no evidence left behind of what happened between them .

 Now , the continued exploration of the sites may reveal something that has been missed and shed some real light on what actually occurred , and prove the Sphinx is much older than the civilization that built the pyramids . But like the theories that posit there must have been extraterrestrial contact or why else would pyramids have been built in Egypt and Meso America , or that a sailor from Wales created the Mayan/Incan empires , well , probably not . It is fun to contemplate and discuss , but isn't much based on any hard evidence .

 Dusty

[Jim Rich]

How fast do I need to run to get away from an alien?

[webmost]

You gotta love these cats who sincerely think that "cause, what else could it be?" is a rock solid logical argument.

[JJ]

How fast do I need to run to get away from an alien?

When I woke up this morning...this "Monolith" was at the edge of my bed......

What do you think that means?!? 

[oldbike54]

When I woke up this morning...this "Monolith" was at the edge of my bed......

What do you think that means?!? 

 Evidence of a misspent youth maybe ?

 Dusty