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Title: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 05, 2022, 09:00:27 PM
Title Says it all......

I had a 1997 E36 BMW M3 for 20 years and LOVED it............... In 2020 I bought a Mustang Bullitt and it is fantastic, but like the FJR 1300 I had before I was converted to Guzzi in 2015, I am BORED unless I am driving at Go to Jail or Cemetery speeds.....


So.............. What is the Moto Guzzi of Cars???? What has character, performance and life in a modern car?  Don't say Miata...... That's a girls car................ ..
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Kev m on November 05, 2022, 09:15:38 PM
It is the Miata you big insecure *****

After that, crap, I dunno.... Probably not a car at this point.

The Wrangler, ya know it's a tractor.

Other than that so many things in the automotive world are bland and completely "modernized" for better or worse.

The Mini at least enjoys the "fun" aspect.

But really... No everything else I can think of is uh different.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Kev m on November 05, 2022, 09:16:48 PM
Pa nothing but love for ya brother ... But you knew that.  :kiss:
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 05, 2022, 09:18:43 PM
It is the Miata you big insecure pussy.

After that, crap, I dunno.... Probably not a car at this point.

The Wrangler, ya know it's a tractor.

Other than that so many things in the automotive world are bland and completely "modernized" for better or worse.

The Mini at least enjoys the "fun" aspect.

But really... No everything else I can think of is uh different.

Bahaha............. Love you dude............. Up yours..............  (mods ignore this exchange, it is between two good freinds)

Mini is too..... Mini and unreliable

Miata is well, a Miata, though the Fiat 124 has some merit.............. ....

I'm really at a loss............

Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Kev m on November 05, 2022, 09:23:13 PM
Bahaha............. Love you dude............. Up yours..............  (mods ignore this exchange, it is between two good freinds)

Mini is too..... Mini and unreliable

Miata is well, a Miata, though the Fiat 124 has some merit.............. ....

I'm really at a loss............

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Well I can't disagree with anything you said. That's a first.  :boozing:
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Kev m on November 05, 2022, 09:48:03 PM
How about the WRX?

Boxer motor is different from almost everyone else and has advantages and disadvantages.

It's got decent performance but nothing like the top dogs.

It's still relatively old school. Hell last time I checked it was solid lifters.

And it doesn't give a crap how others do it.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: jrt on November 05, 2022, 10:18:23 PM
The short answer is that there is no equivalent.  A car is a car and a motorcycle is a motorcycle. I'm not trying to be pedantic, i promise.

What are your metrics?  Run forever?  Easy (but regular) maintenance?  Overbuilt?  Weird quirks?  Unusual? 
I cannot include 'fun to drive' in my assessment, because what is fun in a car is such a different experience.

I enjoy my wife's VW Beetle- it checks off a lot of the above...but it ain't a Guzzi experience.  We don't get the Fiat Panda here in the US, but that might be a small block comparo  (ducks and runs for cover).
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: bigbikerrick on November 05, 2022, 10:52:38 PM
Saab 900 is the first car that comes to mind.....Quirky, cool, different than most cars in engine layout, aircraft  engineering background, built like a tank, designed to last forever, if properly maintained,and sorted. Very Guzzi like!    :thumb:
Rick D.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Kev m on November 05, 2022, 10:57:45 PM
Saab 900 is the first car that comes to mind.....Quirky, cool, different than most cars in engine layout, aircraft  engineering background, built like a tank, designed to last forever, if properly maintained,and sorted. Very Guzzi like!    :thumb:
Rick D.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I took modern to mean "current" or at least recent like last decade or so.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: dave1068 on November 06, 2022, 03:38:51 AM
I may be biased, but the Jeep Wrangler could be it, pulls like a tractor, not overly complex but at times can be quirky...

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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: tommy2cyl on November 06, 2022, 04:27:12 AM
You didn't set any parameters regarding cost, # of seats, dealership network, so, bearing that in mind: Morgan.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Sye on November 06, 2022, 04:49:52 AM
The Pendleton retro sports car. Hand made in the UK and fitted with a Guzzi engine. Weighs 289Kg and goes pretty quick.
https://www.pembleton.co.uk/
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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: fotoguzzi on November 06, 2022, 06:47:43 AM
BRZ

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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 06, 2022, 07:12:12 AM
I also vote for the Wrangler but it must be those with the straight six for power.
kk
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: fotoguzzi on November 06, 2022, 07:40:22 AM
BRZ

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cheaper that a Mustang but better handling, like Guzzi vs BMW.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: bad Chad on November 06, 2022, 07:59:13 AM
I agree with the notion that there isn’t one.

I think you could make a pretty good argument for the Saab 900, but those are long ago gone.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 06, 2022, 08:03:02 AM
Saab 900 is the first car that comes to mind.....Quirky, cool, different than most cars in engine layout, aircraft  engineering background, built like a tank, designed to last forever, if properly maintained,and sorted. Very Guzzi like!    :thumb:
Rick D.

I was a Saab guy for years. Had an 82 and 86 Turbo. Put 500K on the 82, and my son wrecked the 86...... I've always said if I could buy ANY new car today, it would be a 1984-1986 900 Turbo 3 door with the SPG motor.

I bought a 9-3 Viggin and got rid of it when the warranty ran out, it was a mess, so I jumped to a 1997 BMW E36 M3 in the 2000's and had that till 2020 when I bought the Bullitt. It's a great car, but it is kind of like the FJR1300. Fast, comfortable, capable, reliable, but not super engaging unless you are riding in go to jail or cemetery speeds.

I do have a 1976 912 which IS sublime, and not a garage queen, but it is a once in a lifetime dream car I hand restored over 10 years and is still a work in progress. It scratches the itch, but is not a daily driver, it deserves better than that.

So yes, a modern car I can drive daily, drive cross country, 4 seats, decent luggage capacity, reliable, easy and cheap/reasonable to maintain and insure, and is super engaging and full of character even driving sedately.  I like driving my truck more than the Bullitt unless I am driving too fast. I mean come on, redline in 2nd gear is 78MPH..... Like the FJR.....

I drove the BRZ/Toyota __ twins, and really liked them, but just too small. Strongly considered the WRX and hope the new release would be a coupe or 3/5 door hatch, but is still a sedan. Drove the Supra and really liked it, but only a 2 seater and luggage is a joke, same for the Porsche Cayman. The M2 has the driving experience I wanted, but is weird looking AND the long term maintenance and cost of ownership is prohibitive for my sensibilities (Gootsie content), Vette is well, a Vette...... Mazda has the 3 which is nice, but also weird looking. VW has the GTI and R which would fit the bill, but they are maintenance and repair monsters, same with the BMW, and while that would be fine while under warranty, I would be SOL when the warranty was up, take a beating on resale, then be in a car payment again. I really don't want that.

Not really complaining, I am blessed and fortunate, and really do like the Bullitt. It is unique and well sorted but I think this is the issue with any of the new cars, even Porsche. The raw visceral connected feel and character has been engineered out for normal driving and you have to push them all to really enjoy.

I hop on a Guzzi and 'IT" is there.... I hop in my Truck and "IT" is there...... I hop in the Mustang and in order for "IT" to be there, I need to push it..... Ah, 1st world problems.......
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 06, 2022, 08:12:47 AM
The Pendleton retro sports car. Hand made in the UK and fitted with a Guzzi engine. Weighs 289Kg and goes pretty quick.
https://www.pembleton.co.uk/
(https://i.ibb.co/fHH7GB6/Pembleton.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fHH7GB6)


Love those things...... Is on the 'list' for alternatives with the Vanderhall, aka toy.... The 4 wheel model is gorgeous.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 06, 2022, 08:29:40 AM
Another. The one behind it has a Harley engine. Unfortunately the only picture I could find. These came to the Nevada State Campout in 2021.
kk


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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: JJ on November 06, 2022, 08:37:51 AM
What about the FIAT 124 Spyder ABARTH convertible?!?  My neighbor has one...cool car!


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I also like the MORGAN.  I had a '93 BMW 325is with the E36 motor.  Best car I have ever owned... :thumb: :cool:
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Kev m on November 06, 2022, 08:51:29 AM
What about the FIAT 124 Spyder ABARTH convertible?!?  My neighbor has one...cool car!


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:

Obviously I agree, cause it's a Miata with a different powertrain.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 06, 2022, 08:52:08 AM
What about the FIAT 124 Spyder ABARTH convertible?!?  My neighbor has one...cool car!


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I also like the MORGAN.  I had a '93 BMW 325is with the E36 motor.  Best car I have ever owned... :thumb: :cool:

I REALLY like those...... FIAT did a great job maturing the Miata chassis. Is just a tad too small, missing two seats and needs a new motor every 50K miles....LOL, at least that is the deal with the 500 Abarth that shares the same motor. 
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Mike Craven on November 06, 2022, 09:17:07 AM
Lotus Evora
-old corporate roots of successful racing, but nil the last few decades
-financial history of lucky to still be around
-more recent financial history of passed around by large corporations, but then have the resources to come out with high techy new models
-many years of sticking with similar fundamental design (mostly relatively small mid-engine and lightness for Lotus)
-both my Lotus are subjectively great 'fun' and fit like an old shoe driving comfort but not necessarily great by numbers (0-60 times)
-"They still make those?" for both Guzzi and Lotus at the gas pump with Cali II, Norge, Europa and Evora
-I describe them both as like marriage:  "I can't imagine not, but not sure I can recommend..."  (Applies to my Saabs also.)
-very loyal owner base, with super helpful, enthusiasts when you find the right crowd (yes, compliments to y'all Wildgeese)
Cheers,
-Mike-
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: JJ on November 06, 2022, 09:27:25 AM
Lotus Evora
-old corporate roots of successful racing, but nil the last few decades
-financial history of lucky to still be around
-more recent financial history of passed around by large corporations, but then have the resources to come out with high techy new models
-many years of sticking with similar fundamental design (mostly relatively small mid-engine and lightness for Lotus)
-both my Lotus are subjectively great 'fun' and fit like an old shoe driving comfort but not necessarily great by numbers (0-60 times)
-"They still make those?" for both Guzzi and Lotus at the gas pump with Cali II, Norge, Europa and Evora
-I describe them both as like marriage:  "I can't imagine not, but not sure I can recommend..."  (Applies to my Saabs also.)
-very loyal owner base, with super helpful, enthusiasts when you find the right crowd (yes, compliments to y'all Wildgeese)
Cheers,
-Mike-

Yes...the new Lotus Evora has a reliable Toyota motor!!


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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: usedtobefast on November 06, 2022, 09:27:41 AM
It does seem many modern cars are so polished they have smoothed out most of the fun. 

For possible "fun" cars, maybe a Hyundai Veloster N?  Or Honda Civic Type R?  Or a Ford Focus RS? 

Or anything with the Dodge Hellcat engine in it!!   :laugh:

None of these are Guzzi like at all, but just thinking current ish fun cars to drive. 

Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: SIR REAL ED on November 06, 2022, 09:31:00 AM
Bahaha............. Love you dude............. Up yours..............  (mods ignore this exchange, it is between two good freinds)


Amen.

I love the bantering!  It was good to grow up in the 60's and 70's!

"Offense is always in the receiver, not the transmitter!"

"Between stimulus and response, man has the ability to choose!"  Viktor Frankl
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: SIR REAL ED on November 06, 2022, 09:35:27 AM
Love those things...... Is on the 'list' for alternatives with the Vanderhall, aka toy.... The 4 wheel model is gorgeous.

You just answered your own question.

I forget where I saw it, but there is a great thread out there of someone building a MG engined car.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: coast range rider on November 06, 2022, 11:49:00 AM

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This Alpha is what makes the Evora such a desirable sports car. I would love to afford the 2021 Lotus Evora GT.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: AJ Huff on November 06, 2022, 12:20:08 PM
Ram Power Wagon.

-AJ
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on November 06, 2022, 12:44:08 PM
http://www.type4.trikingsportscars.co.uk/


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I guess a Lotus Evora and Moto Guzzi V100 are alike - I'll never own a $100,000 car or $20k motorcycle!  :grin:
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 06, 2022, 03:28:56 PM
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This Alpha is what makes the Evora such a desirable sports car. I would love to afford the 2021 Lotus Evora GT.

I talked my way into a test drive of one of these (dealer had 2 that just sat there) Very cool, but a torture device to drive on all but smooth rides, was worse than the stock shocks on my V7ii  :cool: :boozing:
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: DonT on November 06, 2022, 05:12:52 PM
 I'd say a Jaguar; a company that had a big racing past, got out of racing and now produces elegant, heavy machines with a sporting feel.  Something comfortable that can go at a brisk pace, but its not really fast.  note:  I'm actually not familair with any Jaguars beyond the V-12 XKE my father had in 1974 -5 . . . .   
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: JJ on November 06, 2022, 07:32:59 PM
I'd say a Jaguar; a company that had a big racing past, got out of racing and now produces elegant, heavy machines with a sporting feel.  Something comfortable that can go at a brisk pace, but its not really fast.  note:  I'm actually not familair with any Jaguars beyond the V-12 XKE my father had in 1974 -5 . . . .

Modern Jaguars = British Fords... :laugh: :grin: :wink: :shocked: :huh: :rolleyes: :thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing:
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 06, 2022, 07:43:00 PM
Modern Jaguars = British Fords... :laugh: :grin: :wink: :shocked: :huh: :rolleyes: :thumb: :bow: :cool: :boozing:

Chinese............ ........
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Canuck750 on November 06, 2022, 08:07:21 PM
If it’s a car that we’re talking about that emulates the quirky world of Moto GUZZI I think it has to be Italian, have a long history of race success, limited production numbers, design elements that have remained in tact over the decades….. not the most expensive or the fastest of its peers but beloved by thousands who just get ‘it’, I can think of only one vehicle that ticks all the boxes….Alfa Romeo.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: DesertPilot on November 06, 2022, 09:40:57 PM
If it’s a car that we’re talking about that emulates the quirky world of Moto GUZZI I think it has to be Italian, have a long history of race success, limited production numbers, design elements that have remained in tact over the decades….. not the most expensive or the fastest of its peers but beloved by thousands who just get ‘it’, I can think of only one vehicle that ticks all the boxes….Alfa Romeo.
I quite agree!  Alfa Romeos!  Not a supercar, but perfect in their way.  As well as a chance to channel one's inner Dustin Hoffman...
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on November 06, 2022, 09:45:27 PM
The problem with Alfa Romeo is that currently there is only a sedan and SUV available. That's fine if that's what one wants, but to me Alfa was always about roadsters/spiders and coupes...
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 07, 2022, 06:33:02 AM
I dont understand the question.

What is the car equivalent to a modern moto guzzi motorcycle

or

what is the modern car equivalent to the brand moto guzzi



either way I am going to say Mini or Alfa

No I cant explain that
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: sdcr on November 07, 2022, 06:41:22 AM
Chinese....................

Hardly. My XK was made in Coventry England. While Ford did instill some QC into the manufacturing process, it was designed and built by Brits. Jaguar is now owned by TATA, an Indian company.

I’ve experienced not one issue in several years of ownership. Maintenance is important, and I have a very competent indie shop.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 07, 2022, 06:55:42 AM
The problem with Alfa Romeo is that currently there is only a sedan and SUV available. That's fine if that's what one wants, but to me Alfa was always about roadsters/spiders and coupes...

I am looking at the SUV...  3000# towing capacity-- just enough for a pontoon boat on an aluminum trailer!
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: kja on November 07, 2022, 07:27:55 AM
It has to be Italian - Maserati
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Kaladin on November 07, 2022, 09:51:09 AM
It's got to be Jaguar, founded in 1935 and going out of business since 1936.


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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: rocker59 on November 07, 2022, 10:14:46 AM
Alfa Romeo is the Moto Guzzi of cars.

Very old company now owned by Italian conglomerate.

Multiple world racing championships during the glory days.

Quirky, interesting,  fun to drive.

Sparse USA dealer network.

Etc, etc
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: blackcat on November 07, 2022, 11:50:38 AM
The problem with Alfa Romeo is that currently there is only a sedan and SUV available. That's fine if that's what one wants, but to me Alfa was always about roadsters/spiders and coupes...

Yeah, I agree.

As Rocker described it I agree, but there isn't a modern version of that vehicle that comes close to a new Guzzi.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 07, 2022, 12:07:58 PM
Alfa Romeo is the Moto Guzzi of cars.

Very old company now owned by Italian conglomerate.

Multiple world racing championships during the glory days.

Quirky, interesting,  fun to drive.

Sparse USA dealer network.

Etc, etc

this is what I was thinking
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: roadventure on November 07, 2022, 03:26:53 PM
I may be biased, but the Jeep Wrangler could be it, pulls like a tractor, not overly complex but at times can be quirky...

And, the Jeep Wrangler does have some really stupid design aspects (rear seat access, namely) as do some Moto Guzzi models.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: SIR REAL ED on November 07, 2022, 04:45:32 PM
problem solved:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15370910/theres-nothing-wrong-with-the-fiat-600-that-a-moto-guzzi-v-twin-cant-fix-lemons-insanity/

Looking at this......

Mating a Moto Guzzi engine to a VW transaxle would seem pretty easy......
then a Volkswagen Beetle front axle.......
custom tube frame or buy a dune buggy kit.....
all that would be left to do is fuel delivery, electrics, and control cables.

A big Guzzi Engine Turing 7000 rpm would be a hoot.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: SIR REAL ED on November 07, 2022, 04:55:00 PM
I did not know they were still in existence, but thekneeslider.com is a website with some interesting articles.

https://thekneeslider.com/

https://thekneeslider.com/motorcycle-powered-cars/
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: twowheeladdict on November 07, 2022, 06:34:50 PM
2023 Z car with 6 speed manual of course.  Checked one out this past Saturday.  Also checked out the new mid engine vette.  The vette was too claustrophobic for me. 

But in reality the Miata was the most engaging of all the cars I have driven in the last 5 years. 
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 07, 2022, 08:06:27 PM
Hardly. My XK was made in Coventry England. While Ford did instill some QC into the manufacturing process, it was designed and built by Brits. Jaguar is now owned by TATA, an Indian company.

I’ve experienced not one issue in several years of ownership. Maintenance is important, and I have a very competent indie shop.

Ah, thats right. Jaguar/Land Rover is now owned by TATA/India, it is Volvo that is now Chinese owned...

The XK is the real deal Jag......  I ALMOST bought an XK a few years ago, a beautiful Sport X model, but I wanted something new as I plan to keep it long term and as a DD. I have a buddy with the last steel body XF, the car is fabulous..... I've always wanted one of the XJ sedans....
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Cdn850T5NT on November 07, 2022, 08:38:07 PM
...
For possible "fun" cars, maybe a Hyundai Veloster N?  Or Honda Civic Type R?  Or a Ford Focus RS? 
...
👍
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Ryan on November 07, 2022, 09:51:15 PM
Put some cheap, skinny-ass rock hard tires on your 'stang, and drop the capabilities to a level that you can have fun at half the speed... 
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Mayor_of_BBQ on November 08, 2022, 06:17:22 AM
And, the Jeep Wrangler does have some really stupid design aspects (rear seat access, namely) as do some Moto Guzzi models.

...and you never see Guzzi owners parked like absolute morons, in the median or pulled up in a flower bed with one wheel up on a rock or something similarly stupid
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: sdcr on November 08, 2022, 06:20:00 AM
Ah, thats right. Jaguar/Land Rover is now owned by TATA/India, it is Volvo that is now Chinese owned...

The XK is the real deal Jag......  I ALMOST bought an XK a few years ago, a beautiful Sport X model, but I wanted something new as I plan to keep it long term and as a DD. I have a buddy with the last steel body XF, the car is fabulous..... I've always wanted one of the XJ sedans....

Bulldog,

Go for it. These last alloy bodied XK’s are very underrated, possibly because they are seldom seen. The 4.2 from 2007-2009 is an excellent mill. Unfortunately, they did not offer a manual transmission, just the six speed ZF paddle shifter.

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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: rocker59 on November 08, 2022, 08:31:27 AM
Yeah, I agree.

As Rocker described it I agree, but there isn't a modern version of that vehicle that comes close to a new Guzzi.

4C.  Yeah, out of production, but cool sporty Alfa.


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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Kildareman on November 08, 2022, 08:55:46 AM
Title Says it all......

I had a 1997 E36 BMW M3 for 20 years and LOVED it............... In 2020 I bought a Mustang Bullitt and it is fantastic, but like the FJR 1300 I had before I was converted to Guzzi in 2015, I am BORED unless I am driving at Go to Jail or Cemetery speeds.....


So.............. What is the Moto Guzzi of Cars???? What has character, performance and life in a modern car?  Don't say Miata...... That's a girls car................ ..

Fiat 500. A hoot to drive but not licence shredding.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: blackcat on November 08, 2022, 11:58:41 AM
4C.  Yeah, out of production, but cool sporty Alfa.

Right, forgot about the 4C. Expensive car but I'd love to test drive one.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: rocker59 on November 08, 2022, 12:17:41 PM
Right, forgot about the 4C. Expensive car but I'd love to test drive one.

The 4C can be had in the $50,000 - $60,000 range.  Nothing compared to the 8C, which commands hundreds of thousands.


(https://i.ibb.co/CWKGNsd/alfa-romeo-8c-competizione.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CWKGNsd)
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: SIR REAL ED on November 09, 2022, 05:54:24 AM
I'd go with something like this:

https://thekneeslider.com/smart-car-plus-gsxr-equals-smartuki-a-very-smart-car/

Relatively inexpensive, and parking in the "FUEL EFFICIENT VEHICLE ONLY" parking spots would be a plus, and getting the jump on other drivers from red lights would be very entertaining.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Juan1 on November 10, 2022, 10:27:51 AM
It's tough to find an exact analog, but here is an angle no one has mentioned yet: Toyota.  Neither company is cutting edge, and both roll out old designs year-after-year.  Hell, even when Toyata went with new tech in the original Prius, they avoided doing anything cutting edge and made it heavy and slow.

Toyota even made a beautiful new car once with the 2000GT, but unlike Guzzi with the V7, the company isn't smart enough to base a new car on it.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: rocker59 on November 10, 2022, 02:05:13 PM
It's tough to find an exact analog, but here is an angle no one has mentioned yet: Toyota.  Neither company is cutting edge, and both roll out old designs year-after-year.  Hell, even when Toyata went with new tech in the original Prius, they avoided doing anything cutting edge and made it heavy and slow.

Toyota even made a beautiful new car once with the 2000GT, but unlike Guzzi with the V7, the company isn't smart enough to base a new car on it.

Man,

Toyota is a religiously Lean Six Sigma manufacturing company.  I don't think LSS has been translated into the Mandello Italian dialect, or ever will.

LOL...
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: rocker59 on November 10, 2022, 02:08:06 PM


(https://i.ibb.co/VgnJyGd/00102166760-moto-guzzi-norge.webp) (https://ibb.co/VgnJyGd)
 
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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: rocker59 on November 10, 2022, 02:10:46 PM



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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: rocker59 on November 10, 2022, 02:14:29 PM


(https://i.ibb.co/2SL1yGm/DSCN9628-M.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2SL1yGm)
 
(https://i.ibb.co/kBNmZMm/1986-alfa-romeo-gtv-IMG-0266-1.webp) (https://ibb.co/kBNmZMm)
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: rocker59 on November 10, 2022, 02:18:22 PM


(https://i.ibb.co/RpnxqHW/Moto-Guzzi-MGS-01-Guereshi.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RpnxqHW)
 
(https://i.ibb.co/CQsJYKP/1-Gara-VALLELUNGA-ETCR-202100014.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CQsJYKP)
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: rocker59 on November 10, 2022, 02:20:40 PM



(https://i.ibb.co/hRTjMZ9/download.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hRTjMZ9)
 
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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: rocker59 on November 10, 2022, 02:23:29 PM



(https://i.ibb.co/wMZy4fK/download.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wMZy4fK)
 
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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 10, 2022, 04:57:30 PM
Rocker,

Spot on.... If only Alfa Romeo sold the Gulia in a Coupe. I was hoping that after they ironed out the early kinks the first few years that they would make a Coupe and Wagon to really take BMW on. IMO, this is one of the most engaging sedans on the market, even the 4cyl model. The 6cyl is off the hook addicting, but double the $$.

If they sold this, it would be in my garage right now.............

(https://i.ibb.co/j6MM8ZL/wcf-alfa-romeo-giulia-coupe-speculative-render-alfa-romeo-giulia-coupe-speculative-render1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j6MM8ZL)


There is some hope in that rumor has it there will be a new Barracuda built on a Gulia chassis, but that was before they started talking all this EV baloney.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: SIR REAL ED on November 10, 2022, 05:05:39 PM
Why I'm taking away from this thread is that comparing bikes and cars is extremely subjective.  Apples and oranges as they say.  Entertaining, but not definitive.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: AJ Huff on November 10, 2022, 07:45:02 PM
None of these suggestions seem to line up with the cost of a Guzzi though.

-AJ
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: kingoffleece on November 11, 2022, 08:55:13 AM
Good points, all.  I'd add that for starters and candidate must have three pedals and a stick.............. ............
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: John Croucher on November 11, 2022, 10:03:08 AM
The Wife's Grand Marquis.  The last of the real cars made in America.  Solid, dependable, big, powerful, fast, comfortable and can be drove all day without any fatigue. She said there is not a car out there that can replace it. 
 
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: rocker59 on November 11, 2022, 10:58:42 AM
The Wife's Grand Marquis.  The last of the real cars made in America.  Solid, dependable, big, powerful, fast, comfortable and can be drove all day without any fatigue. She said there is not a car out there that can replace it.

Isn't that the Harley Road King of cars?
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 11, 2022, 05:40:43 PM
The Wife's Grand Marquis.  The last of the real cars made in America.  Solid, dependable, big, powerful, fast, comfortable and can be drove all day without any fatigue. She said there is not a car out there that can replace it.

My dad said the same until he drove a Chrysler 300...... He has had it 5 years, has been trouble free and one of his favorite cars of all time.  I once owned a Marauder, was the wife's car that I brought home for her. Lasted a month...... lol.  Hello Minivan (Oldsmobile Silhouette)
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Scott of the Sahara on November 12, 2022, 09:31:49 AM
I have been thinking on this and I came up with a car. Not modern but a good comparison. VW carmen giha convertable.
Different drivetrain than most cars. Air cooled, with little heat when you need it. Basic power but not really great. Good for going 60MPH when we had the stupid 55 Speed limit. Different styling.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Cam3512 on November 13, 2022, 05:52:34 PM
Fiat Spyder
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Vagrant on November 15, 2022, 08:49:18 AM
If you could buy a brand new 1986 Suzuki Samurai  it would be the V7 of cars? As much fun to drive as it gets, very little worry about speeding tickets and a horrible suspension. Great as a daily commuter and mountain driver, but not so hot on the interstate.
But wait, you can still buy them new in Mexico.

https://www.globalsuzuki.com/automobile/lineup/jimny/
I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they imported them here.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: JJ on November 15, 2022, 08:58:00 AM
I dunno...Not so modern.... :laugh: :grin: :wink: but maybe my wife's car...

1967 Ford Mustang "Sports Sprint"  :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh:

* 289 cu. in. V8 / 2-barrel / 200 HP...
* 98,000 miles on the original motor... :thumb:
* Auto / 3-speed console shift...
* Runs great...does'nt smoke (too much) :laugh: :grin:


(https://i.ibb.co/YtSWxtM/IMG-3713.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YtSWxtM)
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: blackcat on November 17, 2022, 08:11:07 AM
Not exactly modern either, the oddball of cars/trucks.


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Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Kev m on November 17, 2022, 08:21:33 AM
If you could buy a brand new 1986 Suzuki Samurai  it would be the V7 of cars? As much fun to drive as it gets, very little worry about speeding tickets and a horrible suspension. Great as a daily commuter and mountain driver, but not so hot on the interstate.
But wait, you can still buy them new in Mexico.

https://www.globalsuzuki.com/automobile/lineup/jimny/
I'd buy one in a heartbeat if they imported them here.

I had a Geo Tracker and it was a great little machine in a lot of ways. I definitely prefer my Wrangler but that new Jimny would be a serious consideration for me if it was sold here. Nice machine.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: kingoffleece on November 17, 2022, 08:22:35 AM
I LOVE those-and the red with rally stripes is just about perfect.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: kingoffleece on November 17, 2022, 08:23:22 AM
Cam's spot on with the Spider-and let's add the X-19
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: JJ on November 17, 2022, 08:41:09 AM
Cam's spot on with the Spider-and let's add the X-19

Back in the day, I had a girlfriend in Danbury, CT that had one...Fun little car...handled like a GO-CART...but did NOT like the wet, cold, east coast winters... :rolleyes: :shocked:


(https://i.ibb.co/0G3N6dC/Screen-Shot-2022-11-17-at-7-39-29-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/0G3N6dC)
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on November 17, 2022, 09:40:09 AM
Back in the day, I had a girlfriend in Danbury, CT that had one...Fun little car...handled like a GO-CART...but did NOT like the wet, cold, east coast winters... :rolleyes: :shocked:


(https://i.ibb.co/0G3N6dC/Screen-Shot-2022-11-17-at-7-39-29-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/0G3N6dC)


I bought an '85 Bertone X1/9 new and daily drove it for three years. 100 miles a day through whatever weather (I was considered "essential personnel"). Never let me down and I drove the pi$$ out of it.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Stretch on November 17, 2022, 10:11:11 AM
Quote
The Wife's Grand Marquis.  The last of the real cars made in America.  Solid, dependable, big, powerful, fast, comfortable and can be drove all day without any fatigue. She said there is not a car out there that can replace it. 

I had a 1985 - I LOVED that car!
Also relatively easy and inexpensive to work on. With coilovers on the back and some weight in the
trunk, it was also quite good in the snow with snow tires. And for those of us over 6' tall, there's plenty
of room.

My son has one now - a 1996? He loves it to death.

                                         -Stretch
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: JJ on November 17, 2022, 10:15:28 AM
I had a 1985 - I LOVED that car!
Also relatively easy and inexpensive to work on. With coilovers on the back and some weight in the
trunk, it was also quite good in the snow with snow tires. And for those of us over 6' tall, there's plenty
of room.

My son has one now - a 1996? He loves it to death.

                                         -Stretch

Because she was a petite girl, the other car she had, besides the Fiat X 1/9 was a little MG Midget...  Fun to drive...handled well...also REALLY did not like the cold, wet, east coast winters!! :laugh: :grin:


(https://i.ibb.co/H7gGrnX/Screen-Shot-2022-11-17-at-9-11-26-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/H7gGrnX)




Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: sdcr on November 17, 2022, 12:00:21 PM
Certainly not a modern vehicle, or even currently in business. But, Studebaker has many similarities to the venerable Moto Guzzi.
Studebaker, like Moto Guzzi, had always been challenged in financing. Unlike other manufacturers, Studebaker seemed to always be one step behind. All the while, they brought to market many innovative designs, like the early 60’s Wagonaire. Way ahead of its time, it utilized a sliding rear roof.

Similar to Moto Guzzi, Studebaker had great engineering, as well as notable designers, including Raymond Loewy. Like the Moto Guzzi Daytona, Studebaker also had flashes of brilliance, with the Starliner Coupe and timeless Avanti.

 Advertising and dealer network was always a challenge for Studebaker, which certainly didn’t help their sales. I see this is an area, which mirrors Moto Guzzi.

Lastly, Studebaker owners are as faithful to the brand as any Guzzi rider,

(https://i.ibb.co/rvyQ7rJ/402715-B9-0-A50-438-E-97-D3-293-B4-DABAB8-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rvyQ7rJ)

(https://i.ibb.co/yVLtcrq/EA40-E6-E1-BA27-49-EA-9104-9729-D1786-A8-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yVLtcrq)
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Murray on November 17, 2022, 06:23:05 PM
Chinese....................

I think its the Indians Tata motor own Jag along with Landrover. MG is a Chinese owned brand.
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 17, 2022, 07:00:43 PM
I think its the Indians Tata motor own Jag along with Landrover. MG is a Chinese owned brand.

Yes, I was mistaken, it is Volvo that is Chinese. Didn't realize that about MG. I thought I had seen a story a couple years ago that a Chinese company did a hostile takeover of Tata just after they bought Jaguar and Land Rover marques, but that didn't happen.

Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Moparnut72 on November 17, 2022, 08:33:33 PM
Studebaker also developed the Hillholder which Subaru proudly claims to have developed. I owned a couple of Studebaker pickups, they were far better than the competition. Shame that the company was so mis-managed.
kk
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Bulldog9 on November 18, 2022, 07:17:59 AM
Certainly not a modern vehicle, or even currently in business. But, Studebaker has many similarities to the venerable Moto Guzzi.
Studebaker, like Moto Guzzi, had always been challenged in financing. Unlike other manufacturers, Studebaker seemed to always be one step behind. All the while, they brought to market many innovative designs, like the early 60’s Wagonaire. Way ahead of its time, it utilized a sliding rear roof.

Similar to Moto Guzzi, Studebaker had great engineering, as well as notable designers, including Raymond Loewy. Like the Moto Guzzi Daytona, Studebaker also had flashes of brilliance, with the Starliner Coupe and timeless Avanti.

 Advertising and dealer network was always a challenge for Studebaker, which certainly didn’t help their sales. I see this is an area, which mirrors Moto Guzzi.

Lastly, Studebaker owners are as faithful to the brand as any Guzzi rider,

(https://i.ibb.co/rvyQ7rJ/402715-B9-0-A50-438-E-97-D3-293-B4-DABAB8-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rvyQ7rJ)

(https://i.ibb.co/yVLtcrq/EA40-E6-E1-BA27-49-EA-9104-9729-D1786-A8-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yVLtcrq)


Funny you should mention that. As I have been looking (when am I not) I have that itch and interest in a Packard or Studebaker.... lol

I've pretty much decided that the "Guzzi" feel is not going to come from a modern car, especially the high performance sports cars I have been looking at and considering.

I will say that the most likely 'comparison' would be the Subaru/Toyota BRZ twins, GTI, and Miata/Fiat 129. All have a unique feel, with character, middle of the road performance, great handling, and with the exception of the GTI and F129 relatively easy and cheap to maintain.

the hunt however goes on.............

Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: JJ on November 18, 2022, 07:39:08 AM
Always liked the classic lines of the Studebaker's...Cool cars!...I would drive one! :thumb: :bow: :boozing: :cool:


(https://i.ibb.co/jHNCCLW/IMG-5673.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jHNCCLW)


Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: sdcr on November 18, 2022, 09:10:48 AM
Always liked the classic lines of the Studebaker's...Cool cars!...I would drive one! :thumb: :bow: :boozing: :cool:


(https://i.ibb.co/jHNCCLW/IMG-5673.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jHNCCLW)


That’s a beauty JJ. Btw, way back in 1957, Studies had performance in mind. Here is one with a period Paxton supercharger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_fJ_-mN8DA
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: Murray on November 21, 2022, 03:50:52 AM
Chevy SS
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: leafman60 on November 21, 2022, 08:29:22 AM
Is the Yugo still being made?????????
Title: Re: What is the MODERN Moto Guzzi of Cars?
Post by: JJ on November 26, 2022, 09:20:39 AM
Is the Yugo still being made?????????

...and now...a few YUGO fun facts!! :laugh: :grin: :rolleyes: :shocked: :huh:


(https://i.ibb.co/HPDHMQZ/Screen-Shot-2022-11-26-at-8-18-53-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/HPDHMQZ)



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