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Wearing Hi Viz
« on: November 10, 2022, 07:25:55 AM »
Ok, after 4 or 5 years of trying to look good while riding my bikes....period correct stuff on the Royal Enfield 500 and such, I finally decided to buy a yellow hi viz air jacket this Spring. I wore it on every ride until perhaps a month ago, and NOT ONE VEHICLE PULLED OUT IN FRONT OF ME ALL YEAR! My V Strom is what I call "road color" at dark grey with a smoked Puig screen and regardless of the headlight being on people used to pull out all the time and I would have a heartrate raising moment. Not any more! Most of my riding is on the V7 III Special, in that taupe/grey color.....almost road colored.....but again, no issues with drivers. I have added a Revit HI Viz vest for cold weather riding and all is good. I do about 10 or 11K each year it seems, all backroads except when time interferes. Anyone else made the switch to yellow? Seems I am seeing a lot of riders wearing hi viz these days.
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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2022, 07:44:53 AM »
..... Anyone else made the switch to yellow?

Yes, if you count yellow flip flops and plaid Bermuda shorts !  JK...
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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2022, 07:54:00 AM »
After a decade and a half in a Gray Darien Jacket I switched to a Yellow/Gray Klim.

I DO think I'm more visible.

But I distinctly remember being in the pines this past week when a moron in jacked pickup truck towing a landscaping trailer start to pull out in front of me from a stop sign on a more minor side road as I was literally about to pass him (moderate speed, no stop sign my way, etc).

So though I DO think it happens less, I remain constantly vigilant.

(PS between my safety yellow and my Police bike I do think a number of people get the hell out of my way sometimes).
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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2022, 07:58:07 AM »
I have a Hi Viz Tourmaster jacket. Hi Viz wear can't hurt, but remember, people still get in crashes with fire trucks and freight trains all the time. Being aware of your surroundings is still the best route.

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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2022, 08:16:38 AM »
Certainly can't hurt but wont always help. Don't let it give you a false sense of security. I got mowed down at a red light while on my cali 14 with a top box slathered with reflective tape and while wearing a white full face and a neon yellow vest. First one in line at the light , light turns green and I get plowed before I could even get rolling. Funny thing is, I made eye contact with the woman driver behind me in the left side mirror . She acknowledged that she knew I was in front of her but said she  looked up and saw a green light and floored it. I was lucky her huge ford Excursion didn't roll right over me and just shoved me over and up the road a bit. If I had been on a smaller bike it would have.  Wittiness on the other side of the intersection said they saw her looking down, likely texting but she wouldn't admit to it.  Be careful out there no matter what your wearing, assume nothing!
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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2022, 08:30:42 AM »
Agreed to about everything said here so far.

I used to where hi vid a lot. Road for many years, pretty consistently with a prominent safety yellow vest.   I got away from it about 18 years ago.  And this is just my personal experience, I havenít noticed much difference in how other vehicles act around me.    Then as now, drivers occasionally pulled out in front of me and so on.   I feel that about 2/3 of the time the driver does see me, and just does it anyway, a FU mentality.   The other 1/3 they simply donít, for various reasons all stemming from in-attentiveness. 
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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2022, 08:32:49 AM »
I'd insist that my lawyer files for her phone records.  That will prove if she was texting, or not.

To the point: I had Hamlin install Danali D2 (mini LED) on my V7 two years ago after 4 years without.  The difference in close calls was astounding.  So much so that we installed the same lights on the V85 I bought when the V7 got sold.  They can't hurt, but, like most, my "spider sense" is always on high alert when riding.  I'm also always aware of time of day.  People late for work, late getting back from lunch, if  the sun is behind me, etc.
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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2022, 09:23:14 AM »
Because of my wife's nagging I got an inflatable vest. A friend of hers hit a deer at 70 mph, him not the deer. Because of the vest he only suffered a couple of broken ribs and a collar bone. He said he probably wouldn't have survived without it. I got a Helite in Hi Viz. I think it has made a bit of difference in being seen. It gives me a little more confidence. I don't feel safe at times in my smaller town, full of inattentive and aggressive drivers. I took a couple of longer trips this summer and didn't see anything like I have at home. I have mentioned it to the Highway Patrol but they seemed nonchalant. Off the highway speeding through parking lots while practicing tunnel vision is a biggie.
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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2022, 09:30:48 AM »

White Helmet for 20 years.

Yellow Hi-Viz for a dozen years.

I think it helps, but always remain vigilant and proactive.




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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2022, 09:40:59 AM »
I'm on my 3rd Hi Vis jacket. Finally upgraded to a roadcrafter. It's the best fitting most user friendly designed jacket I've had. The Gerbings electric vest works perfectly underneath! 

And ALWAYS white helmet!
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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2022, 10:13:07 AM »
The less fairing a bike has the more hi viz helps. I started wearing it because of base requirements many years ago.

It still only helps if people are paying attention. I still try to not be in the impact zone of left turners by varying my speed and weaving in my lane.

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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2022, 10:17:42 AM »
I have seen a big difference when I wear my hi viz helmet, even compared to a white one. also, remember the human eye is designed to detect lateral motion, so move that head side to side.
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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2022, 10:26:40 AM »
I switched to hi-vis 10 years ago.  I don't know how much it helps -- here in California, people tend to be pretty good about motorcycles already, so it's hard to tell the difference -- but I figure it has to be better than lo-vis.

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2022, 11:35:38 AM »
Itís also helpful in court when your lawyer points out what you were wearing when the other party tries to deny responsibility.
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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2022, 11:37:30 AM »
Yes, if you count yellow flip flops and plaid Bermuda shorts !  JK...



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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2022, 01:17:00 PM »
Iím a big believer in hi viz! Always.  And white helmet. Of course you still need your wits about you.  I see black bikes with black gear all the time at dust or dawn and the only want you know itís a motorcycle is the tiny aftermarket red taillight they have disappearing in the dark.  I shake my head as they speed away
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2022, 01:23:51 PM »
Since I started wearing this ice cream vendorís jacket






People donít look, they stareÖ(sometimes).
Maybe for all the wrong reasons, but I noticed that in critical decision making situations, the eye contact period lasted longer and you felt like your presence had registered.

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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2022, 02:34:44 PM »
I say do what makes you feel comfortable.  Remember to be on the look out as people pull out in front of big trucks all the time.  I read a study some years ago on why people pull out in front of big trucks.  It explained the brain is looking for a car and categorizes the big truck differently.  I'm sure distraction from phones, kids and etc exaggerates this phenomenon.
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2022, 04:05:56 PM »
I wear a white helmet. Drivers who approach stop signs in a hurry most always slam on breaks at the last minute and sometimes fasten their seat belts. You can probably figure out why.

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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2022, 08:13:31 AM »
We have our hi-viz gear, but I have to admit to wearing just a t-shirt now and then.




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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2022, 11:59:25 AM »
Given the number of road menders and loads of other wearers of yellow hi viz I feel that it is of limited use. I read a study about how the eye works some years ago - it was to do with fighter pilots IIRC. Whatever, the brain is looking to see what it expects to (cars); the best defence is to move position ie out when approaching a junction. This is more likely to attract a driverís attention that yellow hi viz. Works for me, black gear but white helmet and no Dayglo Derek lookÖ😉

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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2022, 12:06:49 PM »
I feel much safer since I got my hi vis riding shoes  :laugh:

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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2022, 02:14:30 PM »
I recently bought a new Tourmaster jacket and went back and forth on ordering the hi-vis version. I went ahead with black/grey but so make myself feel a little better I use a couple hi-vis arm bands that I switch between jackets.



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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2022, 03:22:47 PM »
Behavioral psychology may offer some perspective.  Itís difficult to be certain that riders wearing hi-viz do not behave in a different way because of their deliberate look-at-me wardrobe choices.  Many (most?) riders wearing non hi-viz gear never get hit by cars.  is that because of their behavior, the other drivers behavior, the chosen hi-viz/non hi-viz gear, ??.    Aside from the reflective gear worn after dark that is illuminated by headlights and makes persons more likely to be seen, regular hi-viz may or may not be part of a direct cause-effect relationship. 

Imho, if you ride like youíre going to get hit all the time, youíll probably be more careful to help prevent it from happening.  So presenting yourself in a way that makes you be seen, no matter what youíre wearing, is the best overall strategy.   If hi-viz makes the rider more cognoscente of how he or she presents themself, thatís a good enough reason for wearing it.

Iíll even suggest that the most likely way to be noticed by the most drivers in daylight hours is to ride naked. Everybody will look, take pics, post it to the interweb and likely even make you a local celebrity that people try to notice when theyíre driving.  Everybody here already owns their own naked free & clear, so itís free- guzzi contentÖ  But I hear eye bleach is pretty $$$ where you can find it.
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Re: Wearing Hi Viz
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2022, 09:10:05 AM »
Behavioral psychology may offer some perspective.  Itís difficult to be certain that riders wearing hi-viz do not behave in a different way because of their deliberate look-at-me wardrobe choices.  Many (most?) riders wearing non hi-viz gear never get hit by cars.  is that because of their behavior, the other drivers behavior, the chosen hi-viz/non hi-viz gear, ??.    Aside from the reflective gear worn after dark that is illuminated by headlights and makes persons more likely to be seen, regular hi-viz may or may not be part of a direct cause-effect relationship. 

Imho, if you ride like youíre going to get hit all the time, youíll probably be more careful to help prevent it from happening.  So presenting yourself in a way that makes you be seen, no matter what youíre wearing, is the best overall strategy.   If hi-viz makes the rider more cognoscente of how he or she presents themself, thatís a good enough reason for wearing it.

Iíll even suggest that the most likely way to be noticed by the most drivers in daylight hours is to ride naked. Everybody will look, take pics, post it to the interweb and likely even make you a local celebrity that people try to notice when theyíre driving.  Everybody here already owns their own naked free & clear, so itís free- guzzi contentÖ  But I hear eye bleach is pretty $$$ where you can find it.

Hopefully. Luap and the Moderators (sounds like a rock band comprised of over 60 year old musicians) will allow all the WG members (no pun intended) to post their naked selfies and we can rate everyone on visability (first time I typed that, it changed to disability).  Dues ex machina?

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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2022, 09:16:36 AM »
European paint job so very fitting?



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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2022, 09:18:19 AM »
Since I started wearing this ice cream vendorís jacket






People donít look, they stareÖ(sometimes).
Maybe for all the wrong reasons, but I noticed that in critical decision making situations, the eye contact period lasted longer and you felt like your presence had registered.


Hmmmmm......

Body paint or tattoos....  could save a lot of time dressing and undressing.....
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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2022, 09:22:18 AM »

Hmmmmm......

Body paint or tattoos....  could save a lot of time dressing and undressing.....
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2022, 10:00:05 AM »
I don't have any hi viz, all my stuff is low viz black or dark grey but don't think hi viz is a bad idea so that folks who are paying some attention notice you.   
This last summer I had 5 instances where on-coming cagers made a left in front, in all instances there was no accident as a result but it did get me to thinking about a few things.  On all my bikes except the old Eldo, I ride with the headlight on.  I don't ride with the headlight on with the Eldo even though it has a high output alternator and headlight relays...don't ask me why...idk.  Anyway, since all 5 of my close encounters last Summer were on the Eldo, I figured it is time to ride it with the headlight on.  So, about 2 monthes ago I bought one of those relatively inexpensive jeep LED headlights and installed it in the Eldo and will hope for the best next riding season while riding with the new headlight on.
Back to hi viz, I'm not ready for a new jacket but my helmet shoulda probably been replaced a few years ago maybe I'll go with something a little more conspicuous than matte black.  I like the hi viz armband thing but is it for peace of mind and a false sense of security??  I  wonder if there are stats on motorcycle vs cager accidents where the rider was wearing hi viz?  For example, if in 100% of the mc vs. cager accidents where the cager was clearly at fault and the rider was not wearing hi viz, we might assume that wearing hi viz lowers the risk of a mc/cager accidents where the cager is at fault.
My luck is I'll be on the Wing wearing all the hi viz crap stopped at a traffic signal with my brake light on (of which there are several of on that bike) and get rear ended by an idiot playing with their tech or worse OVI.  I better stop talking about this before it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy :laugh:
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