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Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« on: June 30, 2022, 01:17:33 PM »
The 02 Stone Stone developed an ignition issue, from one ride to another, for the most part.
The symptoms were severe backfiring through the exhaust,  total motor shutdown briefly, then back to running fine.

I called a WGC member and ran the bikes symptoms by him.
His advice was to start with the simple possible Solutions and recommended starting with the kickstand switch.
The only way I knew how to check the switch was to take a ride and mess with the stand.

Ad soon as I got the bike up to speed, with my heel, I bumped the stand and the motor immediately hesitated and backfired. I did not push the stand down which would have caused a disconnect, switch against the stand adjustment bolt to the switch, just bumping the stand would immediately cause a disruption in the electrical flow causing backfiring and motor shutdown.
I could even push on the stand sideways to get the same effect.

When I got home I had wife to sit in the bike while I put the stand up.
The adjustable bolt head on the stand connected with the switch plunger and pushed it in about half way.

The question.
Should I start by attempting to adjust the switch plunge/bolt contact, maybe adjusting it to depress the switch a little more, discount the entire system or simply replace the switch with a new one???

Thanks in advance for advice and recommendations.

Dan
« Last Edit: June 30, 2022, 01:18:52 PM by Ncdan »

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2022, 01:36:51 PM »
Cheap and easy to adjust the switch. Also easy to wire it closed (or is it open?) but the first time you think it is in neutral and hit the starter while standing next to the bike.........Learne d from experience. ;)
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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2022, 02:38:45 PM »
This why you check stand 1st.  You can unplug it unless you have the later logic relay set up. Then you jump across at relay.
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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2022, 02:54:25 PM »
This why you check stand 1st.  You can unplug it unless you have the later logic relay set up. Then you jump across at relay.
Thanks for the replies guys!!
I found the issue problem. Thanks to a MG member.!
I peeled back the rubber boot and one of the two wires connected to the switch had partially disconnected.
After cleaning and reconnecting the test ride seems to be running fine and bumping the stand no longer disrupts the switch.

Now how to totally do away with this feature that I do not feel that I need.
I fear traveling down the road or interstate and having a sudden loss of power more than Riding off with my kickstand down. 🤔

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2022, 02:54:25 PM »

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2022, 03:29:20 PM »
I'd do away with it, I can tell when my side stand is down. :rolleyes:
If you think maybe some day you might want it back, just remove the nut holing the switch to the bracket,
replace it with an acorn nut to hold the switch plunger in.
Wasn't this subject discussed before? I posted a picture then.

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2022, 06:05:44 PM »
I'd do away with it, I can tell when my side stand is down. :rolleyes:
If you think maybe some day you might want it back, just remove the nut holing the switch to the bracket,
replace it with an acorn nut to hold the switch plunger in.
Wasn't this subject discussed before? I posted a picture then.
Ill eventually get up with you YD and get the specifics on how to👍

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2022, 06:17:43 PM »
Ill eventually get up with you YD and get the specifics on how to👍

You follow wires up the LH down tube, unplug connector under the cover by steering head. Then try it.
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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2022, 07:22:46 PM »
All's it takes is once to forget the side stand is down to end up on you're ass on the pavement. Fix the switch / connection and live happily ever after :boozing:

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2022, 07:31:40 PM »
All's it takes is once to forget the side stand is down to end up on you're ass on the pavement. Fix the switch / connection and live happily ever after :boozing:
Hasn't happened to me in over 50 years.
Nice to be able to let the bike warm up while you close garage door/load your saddle bags/or whatever.

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2022, 07:34:14 PM »
As long as the bikes in neutral it should idle happily on the side stand no? 

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2022, 07:37:44 PM »
As long as the bikes in neutral it should idle happily on the side stand no?
Not newer MGs, not my Ev, that's why I disarmed it. Side stand down, engine stopped, even in neutral

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2022, 07:44:14 PM »
Happened to me.
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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2022, 07:44:36 PM »
Not newer MGs, not my Ev, that's why I disarmed it. Side stand down, engine stopped, even in neutral

That's odd, the neutral switch should cancel the side stand switch . More than a few times I've clicked the griso into first only to have it stall because the side stand is down.

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2022, 07:54:03 PM »
Maybe newer ones have a neutral bypass, not my EV
From Wildguzzi posts
I have a '98 EV California.  Since I purchased it in '07, the kickstand safety switch has been disabled.  I finally ordered a new switch, after the switch was installed the bike dies every time the kickstand is down, even when the bike is in neutral.  This can't be right.  I can't even warm up the bike on the kickstand.

Sorry to report that what you describe is exactly the original design.  Live with it.  There is no interconnect with the transmission as there is on newer bikes.
Yes, you have to put the bike on the centerstand or sit astride it in order to warm it up.   I don't.  I just start and ride away gently for a few blocks.
This is the reason why so many have disconnected that switch.  Still, it is an important safety feature and you should think hard before disconnect.
I had sidestand 'incidents' with an old Eldorado and a Convert.  I've kept my switch intact on both 98EVs.

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2022, 08:00:49 PM »
wow that just stinks. such a simple fix to have the side stand switch closed as long as the the neutral switch is open . A simple three way switch.

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« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2022, 08:07:13 PM »
wow that just stinks. such a simple fix to have the side stand switch closed as long as the the neutral switch is open . A simple three way switch.
Yeah, if I was able to use neutral w/o a cutout I'd be ok with it. Maybe they saved 50 cents by cutout at all times?

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2022, 08:24:05 PM »
So just to recap and for future possible breakdown due to the stand switch.
If a switch goes bad, if one disconnects the switch will the bike run?

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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2022, 08:32:28 PM »
yes, if the switch is open, stand up,  the bike will run, when the stand is down and the switch closes the ignition is earthed just like if you hit the kill switch

So if you disconnect the switch it remains open.
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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2022, 09:07:34 PM »
yes, if the switch is open, stand up,  the bike will run, when the stand is down and the switch closes the ignition is earthed just like if you hit the kill switch

So if you disconnect the switch it remains open.
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Re: Side Stand switch issue, advise sought.
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2022, 11:39:29 PM »
I disconnected mine after the second time riding through a flooded railroad underpass on Hearne Avenue in Shreveport. it killed the engine and I had to put my shiny military boots down to keep from getting my uniform wet on my way to roll call.
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