V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest

[Bulldog9]

Love the tech talk and discussions.  Wish I had more to offer-I'm at a basic level-but still able to learn!

You must be a glutton for punishment..... 99% of some of these posts are useless nonsense AFIAC.

[kingoffleece]

 

I'm just here for the bourbon.

[Huzo]

You must be a glutton for punishment..... 99% of some of these posts are useless nonsense AFIAC.

Lucky for us there’s that one in a hundred that’s on the money, or it’d be 100%.
Now, who would that one person be…?

[Huzo]

You must be a glutton for punishment..... 99% of some of these posts are useless nonsense AFIAC.

I do have one question…
What does AFIAC mean ?

[lucian]

An anti-clockwise crankshaft also implies that the crankshaft drives the Primary / Cush shaft directly, not through any gearing.

The primary cush drive looks to be driven by the gear on the back of the crankshaft. Which in turn drives the clutch hub, When engaged the clutch basket drives the engine gear ( part 31 on pg. 55)  which in turn drives the trans, input shaft,

 So, as viewed  from the front, crank rotation counterclockwise, primary cush drive clockwise, clutch basket clockwise, engine gear counterclockwise,  trans input clockwise, trans output counter clockwise, rear drive pinion counterclockwise, rear dive crown wheel counterclockwise as viewed from left side, bike goes forward   

[ridingron]

   I do have one question…
What does AFIAC mean ? 

As Far (as)  I Am Concerned, 99% of some of these posts are useless nonsense.

+1  and I'm interested in the bike.

[Huzo]

As Far (as)  I Am Concerned, 99% of some of these posts are useless nonsense.

+1  and I'm interested in the bike.

Oh…
That one got past me, I was so sure there’d be no glaring error that I didn’t even look for one. Now it doesn’t seem like useless nonsense. It makes complete sense.

Now…
The bike ?

[Socalrob]

Well, I stopped in to read of any news about an imminent release date for the V100, and have learned two things.

1, based on a rather entertaining inane but lengthy thread discussion about which way the crank rotates, there is no release news.

2, winter is upon us. But not me, I rode into work today.

Gentlemen, please resume the discussion.

[Huzo]

Well, I stopped in to read of any news about an imminent release date for the V100, and have learned two things.

1, based on a rather entertaining inane but lengthy thread discussion about which way the crank rotates,

Don’t you think that is just a teeny weeny bit relevant ?

[lucian]

Our dealer here told me two weeks ago they would see six of each model , base and s , end of November to mid December. Not holding my breath at this point. He did say all had pre order deposits on them.

[auzziguzzi]

The primary cush drive looks to be driven by the gear on the back of the crankshaft. Which in turn drives the clutch hub, When engaged the clutch basket drives the engine gear ( part 31 on pg. 55)  which in turn drives the trans, input shaft,

 So, as viewed  from the front, crank rotation counterclockwise, primary cush drive clockwise, clutch basket clockwise, engine gear counterclockwise,  trans input clockwise, trans output counter clockwise, rear drive pinion counterclockwise, rear dive crown wheel counterclockwise as viewed from left side, bike goes forward   

I'm with you all the way down to this bit of the drive train :
engine gear counterclockwise,  trans input clockwise,
The Parts Book shows the Engine Gear (Part 31) to be coaxial with the trans input shaft (Part 15).
In that case, the Engine Gear would turn the trans input counterclockwise, not clockwise.
The rear wheel would rotate backwards.

[lucian]

The Parts Book shows the Engine Gear (Part 31) to be coaxial with the trans input shaft (Part 15).

Looks like you are correct  , that being the case ,the primary cush drive must be driven directly off the end of the crankshaft,
so clutch basket counterclockwise, trans primary clockwise, trans output counterclockwise. off to the races

[LowRyter]

Since the clutch spins the other way, I think the torque reaction we're accustomed to will be negligible in the new V100 line.

 

[Socalrob]

Don’t you think that is just a teeny weeny bit relevant ?

Yes, a bit relevant, but unlikely to make a difference in purchase or no purchase.  On my Multistrada V4 the transverse crank counter rotates to the wheels, so may make the bike a bit more neutral gyroscopically for easier turn in, especially when the engine is at 10,000 rpm.  On the Guzzi with a longitudinal crank theoretically it would do the same for the weight of the clutch and the driveshaft, both of which are far lighter than wheels.  It’s a nice engineering exercise, but does seem pretty esoteric.  I have no idea which way my V7iii rotates, nor my BMW either.  I doubt crank rotation direction on any of these bikes would make as big of a difference as say light weight carbon fiber wheels.

[kingoffleece]

I wonder if this topic was discussed outside of the factory 50 years ago?

[lucian]

It is interesting that it looks like the cylinders are cast along with the engines top case. No more removeable cylinders, it does appear that they are sleeved which is a good thing. It looks like it would be possible to drop the sump and pull the heads and remove the rods , pistons and sleeves hopefully. Maybe big bore sleeves and pistons will be coming down the road .  How else could you up the displacement without a whole  new top  engine case? A lot of high techery for a moto guzzi for sure. Still a lot to like , at least it does look rebuildable  and robust with roller main bearings  ect.

[ridingron]

  Don’t you think that is just a teeny weeny bit relevant ?       

In my motorcycle world, maybe almost a teeny weeny bit.

I want to buy the bike, twist the throttle and go. When it doesn't go, the mechanic might need to know all that direction of spinning shafts. He probably won't know it but as long as he fixes it, I don't care. When the warranty is up, I'll keep it or sale it.

I've been riding the same model bike for over 20 years and I couldn't tell you which way any of the shafts spin. I just know when I twist the throttle, the bike goes forward.   

[AJ Huff]

In my motorcycle world, maybe almost a teeny weeny bit.

I want to buy the bike, twist the throttle and go. When it doesn't go, the mechanic might need to know all that direction of spinning shafts. He probably won't know it but as long as he fixes it, I don't care. When the warranty is up, I'll keep it or sale it.

I've been riding the same model bike for over 20 years and I couldn't tell you which way any of the shafts spin. I just know when I twist the throttle, the bike goes forward.   

Amen!

-AJ

[Stratodisaster]

I like the bike a lot and may look in to buying one but it’s advertised as a sporty and touring bike.  That windscreen, if that’s what you want to call it,no luggage , none listed in accessories currently kinda disqualifies the touring aspect in my thinking.  With it being a Guzzi your also going to be limited in after market accessories also. When I “tour” I carry a lot of stuff. Tire repair kit , air compressor a few tools plus rain gear  regular clothes and toiletries depending on time of year cool/cold weather gear that’ll most likely need to come off during the warm part of the day. What is a guy supposed to do ? Cram all that in a backpack.wonderful bike but not a tourer.

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

I like the bike a lot and may look in to buying one but it’s advertised as a sporty and touring bike.  That windscreen, if that’s what you want to call it,no luggage , none listed in accessories currently kinda disqualifies the touring aspect in my thinking.  With it being a Guzzi your also going to be limited in after market accessories also. When I “tour” I carry a lot of stuff. Tire repair kit , air compressor a few tools plus rain gear  regular clothes and toiletries depending on time of year cool/cold weather gear that’ll most likely need to come off during the warm part of the day. What is a guy supposed to do ? Cram all that in a backpack.wonderful bike but not a tourer.

https://wide.piaggiogroup.com/en/articles/accessories/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-a-vast-range-of-accessories-to-suit-every-need/index.html

[bad Chad]

Seems like some of us here lead a lot of horses to water.   I would have guessed that with the utter mass of information available to all with the "google" that the need to do so would be much smaller.  shrug

[Stratodisaster]

Seems like some of us here lead a lot of horses to water.   I would have guessed that with the utter mass of information available to all with the "google" that the need to do so would be much smaller.  shrug

.      That’s weird I just looked at guzzi website and nothing came up for accessories. Forgive me me for speaking negatively about anything thing Guzzi.

[skippy]

Moto Guzzi definitely made it a little awkward to find the smathering of accessories available for the V100.
When you go through the pre-order process the website will walk you through all of the available accessories that will then be delivered to your local dealer for installation when the bike arrives.  Kind of clunky since you then make a transaction for the deposit on the bike and then get contacted by the dealer for a deposit on all of the accessories. I did all of this while sitting at a computer with the local dealer and it still ended up being two separate transactions. Little wonder the dealer indicated that I was the first one in line for all of the accessories as no one else bothered to go the extra step.

Skippy

[twowheeladdict]

How’s did a guy with only 28 subscribers get a ride on the V100?

https://youtu.be/1S83OTkCjZs

The cockpit view is weird, but hopefully that is just the camera.

[Bulldog9]

I like the bike a lot and may look in to buying one but it’s advertised as a sporty and touring bike.  That windscreen, if that’s what you want to call it,no luggage , none listed in accessories currently kinda disqualifies the touring aspect in my thinking.  With it being a Guzzi your also going to be limited in after market accessories also. When I “tour” I carry a lot of stuff. Tire repair kit , air compressor a few tools plus rain gear  regular clothes and toiletries depending on time of year cool/cold weather gear that’ll most likely need to come off during the warm part of the day. What is a guy supposed to do ? Cram all that in a backpack.wonderful bike but not a tourer.

Guzzi is offering perhaps the best list of 'accessories' I've seen in a while to include 30l side cases that they claim will hold a helmet, as well as a topcase/rack and a larger screen. Will be as 'tour' capable as the Norge or Stelvio or V85, or any current sports tourer straight off the showroom floor with OEM parts.

It will be interesting to see what Hepco Becker or other aftermarket places offer up as far as bags and screens, tank bags, etc. Unfortunately the Guzzi cases only come in a silver color right now.

[Bulldog9]

How’s did a guy with only 28 subscribers get a ride on the V100?

https://youtu.be/1S83OTkCjZs

The cockpit view is weird, but hopefully that is just the camera.

Certainly not because of his riding skills.........

[Huzo]

Certainly not because of his riding skills.........

What did he do wrong ?

[Bulldog9]

What did he do wrong ?

Did you watch the video? lol..... Perhaps I'm being too critical, but he is all over the road, has terrible lines, followed too close, erratic herky jerky on and off throttle, almost caused an accident, and man handled the bars.

[lucian]

Probably should have skipped the vineyard tours before the test ride.

[Speedfrog]

How’s did a guy with only 28 subscribers get a ride on the V100?

He is a Piaggio dealership owner in Belgium... not an influencer on YT.
https://www.garagechrissmeyers.be

Boring video imho..