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pete roper

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1080 on: July 18, 2016, 04:37:29 PM »
If nobody else can flick it to you I have a Norge in for rollerisation at the moment, I can rip the map out of it and email it to you.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1081 on: July 18, 2016, 04:43:40 PM »
I've sent the stock map to him, Pete.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1082 on: July 18, 2016, 04:59:25 PM »
Thanks.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1083 on: July 18, 2016, 08:57:28 PM »
Thanks for the offer Pete, as Beetle said, he sent me a copy.  I deleted the post so as to not put anybody out.

So after getting a copy of the Stock Map, I compared it to the Map that Steak (Steve) pulled off my bike last week (pulled off and reloaded) and compared them in the Auto Tune App.  My hope was that the Map was corrupted or changed to limit revs, but no such luck.  I have ZERO idea what all the data means, but when I ran the comparison, there were no variations between the two.  To test if I was doing it right I compared it to the Beetle Map and there were about 12,000 differences. **Because I dont trust my monkey fingers, I made a copies of the files when I loaded them to compare so I wouldn't corrupt them.

I was hoping it was ECU related, but now it looks like it is something else. It feels like a fuel problem, going lean under any kind of load from 6200 & higher. Below that and it pulls very strong. That it happens under load and spr, I'm thinking NOT spark, but fuel. The bike runs perfect, sounds and pulls strong runs great right up to the 6200 mark then if put under any load just bogs and hangs at 6200-6500. If I let of the throttle and just lightly accelerate it will spin to redline.

I dont know enough about vaccum lines or such on the motor, but all looks to be plugged in and tight. The vent line from the case stuck under the snorkel perplexed me for a bit, but I traced it to the case.  For kicks, while I am waiting for my appt at MI, I am going to reset the learning parameters, and reset tps to see if that changes anything, then load the stock Map I got from Beetle (+resets) followed by the Beetle Map and see what it changes.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1083 on: July 18, 2016, 08:57:28 PM »

beetle

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1084 on: July 18, 2016, 09:16:21 PM »
Reflashing a map might cure it. I've cured a few high idle issues by reflashing. You never know....


12,000 differences? I have been a busy boy, haven't I? :laugh:

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1085 on: July 18, 2016, 10:41:47 PM »
What is the TPS saying its at now? If you haven't re-set it and it's not at 4.8, (Or very close. Like + or- .2) then someone may of fiddled with a stop screw or the linkage rod.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1086 on: July 19, 2016, 07:10:51 AM »
I just ordered the cables from Lonelec.  When they arrive should I download the drivers from the very first post of this lengthy thread or are there other drivers that I should install?  Thanks  for all of the guidance.  Old guy here in a scary electronic land...
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1087 on: July 19, 2016, 09:28:53 AM »
Reflashing a map might cure it. I've cured a few high idle issues by reflashing. You never know....


12,000 differences? I have been a busy boy, haven't I? :laugh:

Is reflashing as simple as taking a copy of what's on the bike using IAWxxReader and then putting it back on using IAWxxWriter or is there something more to it?

.... and yes you have been  :bow: :bow:
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1088 on: July 19, 2016, 10:09:13 AM »
What is the TPS saying its at now? If you haven't re-set it and it's not at 4.8, (Or very close. Like + or- .2) then someone may of fiddled with a stop screw or the linkage rod.

Pete

I think when Steak reset it it went to 4.7 or 4.8, it was at 4.6.  I'm not sure if he also reset the learning parameters. From looking at all the screws on the TB's it looks to me like none have been messed with. No cracks in the sacred yellow paint
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1089 on: July 19, 2016, 12:42:27 PM »
Hi, I got my cables from lonelec, and I let it install the drivers... The start of this post says don't. What's the best way to remove them or shall I just download the ones from the link and see if they overwrite and work ok?

Secondly, how do I know what ecu I have, a 5eu or one of the following - 15M/15P/15RC

It for a 2016 v7 special ii

Thanks

beetle

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1090 on: July 19, 2016, 02:17:44 PM »
Hi, I got my cables from lonelec, and I let it install the drivers... The start of this post says don't. What's the best way to remove them or shall I just download the ones from the link and see if they overwrite and work ok?


Windows? Use the Device Manager to remove them, then grab the drivers from the link in the first post.


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Secondly, how do I know what ecu I have, a 5eu or one of the following - 15M/15P/15RC

It for a 2016 v7 special ii



The V7 II has the MIU G3.

beetle

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1091 on: July 19, 2016, 02:22:11 PM »
Is reflashing as simple as taking a copy of what's on the bike using IAWxxReader and then putting it back on using IAWxxWriter or is there something more to it?

.... and yes you have been  :bow: :bow:


I suppose you could do that, but I always overwrite it from a copy on my PC. Just in case.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1092 on: July 19, 2016, 02:24:26 PM »
From looking at all the screws on the TB's it looks to me like none have been messed with. No cracks in the sacred yellow paint


What about the linkage rod?

beetle

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1093 on: July 19, 2016, 03:11:10 PM »
Updated the howto for the current version links, plus added Throttle Self Learning for the V7.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1094 on: July 19, 2016, 04:33:32 PM »

I suppose you could do that, but I always overwrite it from a copy on my PC. Just in case.

That sounds like quite a key intermediate step  :thumb:
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1095 on: July 19, 2016, 11:47:47 PM »
Thanks for the great tutorial Beetle  :thumb:, no problems at first attempt (using Lonelec cable ,correct driver and Windows 10 on laptop), hooked 'er up, opened up the reader, turned on the key as instructed and 15 minutes later the map was downloaded
As this is my first Guzzi I am intending to run on the stock map for a while to get a baseline feel for it before I make any changes (I will do basic stuff such as TPS re-set though)
Cheers, John  :boozing:
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1096 on: July 20, 2016, 02:31:15 AM »

What about the linkage rod?

Hmmm.  Its there ;-) doesn't look like anything has been messed with, but who knows. I will see what happens with a remap and resetting, then load your map. Either way I have a service appt for the fuel level/sender to be replaced, and if I havent gotten this straightened out will let the dealer deal with it.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1097 on: July 20, 2016, 09:41:16 PM »
I guess I'm not very good at searching this thread for information on maps available for the 2v Norge.  Are there any such for stock and/or with a slip on like Leo Vince or Staintune?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1098 on: July 22, 2016, 12:24:08 AM »
Got my cables in the mail today, loaded up the drivers and decided to go see what I could see.

All went well until I connected to the bike, I could not get the all important ECU plug message on the dash.

I know that the cable drivers are good, com5 pops up when it it plugged in. I also know that the Diag program is talking to the bike, I selected Norge 1200 GT (bike is a Norge 8VGT)  I was able to connect to the bike, it showed the current map date, and live data as well. I started the bike with it connected and checked out live data.

What it WONT do is show the ECU plug, or read hence not write to the ECU.

Any ideas on this?
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1099 on: July 22, 2016, 12:27:55 AM »
Are you using the 'Writer' programme or just connecting the Guzzidiag diagnostic one?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1100 on: July 22, 2016, 12:28:49 AM »
I've never seen the ECU plug but it all appears to work Ok.That's only GuzziDiag though. Not tried to read/write yet

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1101 on: July 22, 2016, 12:30:30 AM »
Are you using the 'Writer' programme or just connecting the Guzzidiag diagnostic one?

I havent tried the 'writer' program, but have tried the Guzzi Diag and the Reader. Follow the on off instructions and the reader times out.

I know that it should show this and did last week when Steak hooked up to the bike and did a reflash
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1102 on: July 22, 2016, 12:37:36 AM »
When you are uploading a map it clears the memory and that's when you get the unplugged symbol. Can't remember if you get it when you're reading but it isn't clearing the memory when you are.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1103 on: July 22, 2016, 12:43:06 AM »
When you are uploading a map it clears the memory and that's when you get the unplugged symbol. Can't remember if you get it when you're reading but it isn't clearing the memory when you are.

I'll figure it out, but at this point it will not show the plug symbol in the dash and when I try to read the map and save it it just shows a connecting countdown then times out and closes the dialog box.  It is communicating with the ECU but nor correctly.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1104 on: July 22, 2016, 12:54:42 AM »
Are you sure you're using the correct version of the Reader?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1105 on: July 22, 2016, 06:45:11 AM »
Really dumb question here, but where do I get maps and how do I know which map might be best for me?
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1106 on: July 22, 2016, 06:48:40 AM »
You read up on what's available, ask questions of other people who use the various options and make a decision.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1107 on: July 22, 2016, 06:50:21 AM »
I'm doing the reading part, but where do I find a map to buy? 
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1108 on: July 22, 2016, 07:05:35 AM »
Look at the sig line in Beetles posts or John, who posts as Xltra has maps too, there are plenty of other sources or you can try building your own if you're game. I suggest avoiding sources that try to sell you a 'Package' of crap to go with the map, (Air filters, sensor foolers, pipes that don't fit, that sort of thing.) and ask questions. Many people selling miracles don't actually understand the first thing about engines.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1109 on: July 22, 2016, 07:17:16 AM »
Thanks, will try to do my due diligence!
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