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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2018, 12:03:25 PM »
It's hard enough seeing them hanging off the sides of the Greenie. I'll give them a pass on a cruiser, but not eye candy bikes!

 So now you're saying the Jackal is ugly ? Thanks a lot  :tongue:

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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2018, 12:16:40 PM »
Dusty's Jackal has just the right amount of patina and Samsonites.

Me, this is about the 5th or 6th time I've been on the board jones-ing for a new bike and gotten nada. 
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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2018, 12:19:22 PM »
I do have to admit, I test rode the GXS1000S (non-faired version of the Suk the OP is looking at).     Aside from the fact that I'm not a huge I4 fan, it is a fun bike.    Maybe TOO fun.   In fact, it CAUSES bad behavior  :evil:.    My license is thankful that I don't own one.    I was left with the same feeling after riding the BMW S1000S and S1000XR.

If the ergos are the same on the faired version, it is a comfortable sporty bike, very similar in ergos to my Monster.

Dusty's Jackal has just the right amount of patina and Samsonites.

Me, this is about the 5th or 6th time I've been on the board jones-ing for a new bike and gotten nada.


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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2018, 12:20:01 PM »
Dusty's Jackal has just the right amount of patina and Samsonites.

Me, this is about the 5th or 6th time I've been on the board jones-ing for a new bike and gotten nada.

 John , buddy , do what blows your dress up .

 Oh , the Jackal kinda fits the guy who rides it , right ?

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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2018, 01:32:18 PM »
Neither one is visually appealing to me. I've owned a Suzuki ( 1st gen. busa ) and it was a fine bike. I currently own a Ducati ( 907ie ).
If I'm going to pay a premium for Italian exotica, I need to enjoy looking at it while sitting in the garage.

 
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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2018, 03:16:24 PM »
Many variables, but it all comes down to personal preference. The Ducati is prettier, but the Suzuki is more bang for the buck, and neither are “track bikes” in any way.

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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2018, 04:43:07 PM »
Ducati engines sound good. Their clutches don't. With the right exhaust few bikes sound as good as the tortured scream of an asian multi.

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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2018, 05:26:21 PM »
Ducati engines sound good. Their clutches don't. With the right exhaust few bikes sound as good as the tortured scream of an asian multi.

Ducati has been moving away from (noisy) dry clutches.    IIRC the Supersport does not have a dry clutch.


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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2018, 05:57:00 PM »
Ducati has been moving away from (noisy) dry clutches.    IIRC the Supersport does not have a dry clutch.

the SS has a wet clutch.
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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2018, 06:59:59 PM »
No more dry clutch??? What's next... valve springs?
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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2018, 06:22:25 AM »
Dusty's Jackal has just the right amount of patina and Samsonites.

Me, this is about the 5th or 6th time I've been on the board jones-ing for a new bike and gotten nada.

Hey! I told you that if I was spending your money, get the Duck. In white. With factory bags. <shrug>
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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2018, 06:43:30 AM »
 Is there anyone here who can ride any modern large sportbike to the limit on the street?

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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2018, 06:58:19 AM »


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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2018, 07:09:04 AM »
Is there anyone here who can ride any modern large sportbike to the limit on the street?


No you'll be dead..I have a photo somewhere of all the body parts pushed back into a pile after a guy found the limit. Milliseconds later a car pulled out in front of him. It helps to remember that scene when the red mist starts to cover my eyes..
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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2018, 07:14:42 AM »
I've been Jones-in' again.  I am sure you guys can talk me out of it.

take a look at these two



Hey brother John ! That Duc is Super Sport and super cool.  Get it and ride it to Daytona next year.  Lets do Martin's again!  They still have that 2 lb Prime Rib!!

By the way, your post sent me to the Ducati website page for their Super Sport.  They also show some very cool riding gear for the prime target market of these awesome bikes.  You may want to pick up a jacket or pair of pants to go with the bike!  You'll fit right in !



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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2018, 07:23:09 AM »
 Is there anyone here who can ride any modern large sportbike to the limit on the street?

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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2018, 09:38:56 AM »
Leafman, you make a great point about Daytona.   And the Greenie is the coolest bike in town.  I might have to get back.

Chuck, no way I would consider the Duc due to cost, no trade deal, flat paint, shaky mirrors and that proprietary computer stuff.  My deal with 'zuk was that it looks almost as good as the Duc, performs better and I can get a smoking deal on it.

So far as the "cool" factor, Mr Green has got them all covered.   :grin:

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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2018, 09:41:37 AM »
Is there anyone here who can ride any modern large sportbike to the limit on the street?

Firesign Theater?

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« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2018, 11:28:21 AM »
Leafman, you make a great point about Daytona.   And the Greenie is the coolest bike in town.  I might have to get back.

Chuck, no way I would consider the Duc due to cost, no trade deal, flat paint, shaky mirrors and that proprietary computer stuff.  My deal with 'zuk was that it looks almost as good as the Duc, performs better and I can get a smoking deal on it.

So far as the "cool" factor, Mr Green has got them all covered.   :grin:



You really didn't think I was going to say get that Suzi did you??  :smiley: :boozing:
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« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2018, 11:48:16 AM »
 My point about riding bikes near or at the limit was in response to the Japanese bikes can beat spank a Ducati...Maybe so but it really boils down to what you enjoy riding.. Or no one would ride a Guzzi ,eh? 

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« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2018, 12:40:26 PM »
After having owned one of the smaller water-cooled Ducatis for several years (821 Monster approaching 12,000 miles) I'd have to go with the Ducati.  Those smaller Ducati engines are a real joy.  They provide plenty of torque in the lower ranges (3,500 to 6,000 rpm) and provide more than enough entertainment at higher RPMs (up to the redline).  I have added CBow mounts to my Monster and will do some weekend touring on it.  The flat paint is a bit of a PIA, but the white ones sure look good!  As far as the electronics go I've had no issue with the Monster, although I don't mess with them very much.

If you don't want the flat white, Vito has a nice red S at Ducati Austin :)
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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2018, 02:11:05 PM »
You really didn't think I was going to say get that Suzi did you??  :smiley: :boozing:

No.  But if someone had Photoshopped some Duc emblems on that 'zuki, half the board here would be wetting their panties.  I was struck how much the bikes look a like. 

If I were ever to buy a Duc, it would only be a red one.  But here you have a 150hp bike with one of the best engines ever, fully adjustable suspension, aluminum spar frame, ride modes, and gorgeous body work for $9k.  The cheapest SS is $13k.  I've ridden both bikes.  The ergos are very close.  The downsides on the Duc can't be easily overcome.

But the more I write about it, the less inclined I am to actually acquire either one.   
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« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2018, 02:15:58 PM »
After having owned one of the smaller water-cooled Ducatis for several years (821 Monster approaching 12,000 miles) I'd have to go with the Ducati.  Those smaller Ducati engines are a real joy.  They provide plenty of torque in the lower ranges (3,500 to 6,000 rpm) and provide more than enough entertainment at higher RPMs (up to the redline).  I have added CBow mounts to my Monster and will do some weekend touring on it.  The flat paint is a bit of a PIA, but the white ones sure look good!  As far as the electronics go I've had no issue with the Monster, although I don't mess with them very much.

If you don't want the flat white, Vito has a nice red S at Ducati Austin :)
https://www.motoaustin.com/New-Inventory-2018-Ducati-Motorcycle-Scooter-SuperSport-S-Red-Ducati-Austin-3797767?ref=list

having ridden both bikes, I'll agree that the little twin is quite a joy in the mid-range and despite getting the Suzi on the highway, I never scratched the surface.

Dude, you're showing me a $16K Duc vs a $9k Suzuki.    By comparison the Suzuki is just a smoking deal. 
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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2018, 02:18:56 PM »
My point about riding bikes near or at the limit was in response to the Japanese bikes can beat spank a Ducati...Maybe so but it really boils down to what you enjoy riding.. Or no one would ride a Guzzi ,eh?

I admit I enjoy the handling a feel on my Guzzis especially when in the twisties, until I twist the throttle on my Bandit. 

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« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2018, 03:18:22 PM »
 Oooh, yes the pull of the engine...Around where I live the nature of the two lane roads that extend out in every direction  makes, for example, a 430 pound bike with about 80-90 HP all that can be used. Line of sight is limited by curves, hills, trees, the pavement can be poor but not  many cops. .A more powerful machine can used of course but there's just not the space to open it up to best advantage if the rider has any common sense.
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« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2018, 04:58:12 PM »
Oooh, yes the pull of the engine...Around where I live the nature of the two lane roads that extend out in every direction  makes, for example, a 430 pound bike with about 80-90 HP all that can be used. Line of sight is limited by curves, hills, trees, the pavement can be poor but not  many cops. .A more powerful machine can used of course but there's just not the space to open it up to best advantage if the rider has any common sense.

that's sort of the appeal on the Suzuki.  450 lb bike.   

My Bandit weighs as much as my Guzzis.  Actually my Sport is pretty cool beans for a 80HP bike that weight 550lbs.
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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2018, 05:35:27 PM »
I'm curious.  Does any of this help?  Directed to the OP.
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« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2018, 08:02:48 PM »
I'm curious.  Does any of this help?  Directed to the OP.

Yes.   

Perhaps I've been unfair.  I just wanted to kick over a topic that would cause some mindless discussion and talk me out of spending money for a motorcycle that I don't need.   Also, I wanted to hear everyone's opinion about what bike is best and why.  And I'll admit that I wanted highlight some bias to Italian design. 

But I am also providing a public service of advising that you can get a great deal on a smoking Suzuki.  :evil:
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Re: Two to compare
« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2018, 08:42:05 PM »
I have driven my Ducati SuperSport S over 8,000 miles. I have had no problems with electronics. The quick shifter is fabulous, especially if you ever track the bike.

I have tracked the SS at COTA multiple times- probably have 500 miles on track. Even in the entry level riding level, most riders have powerful liter bikes that pass me up in the long straight. However, with the quick shifter, you can downshift simultaneously and brake. This allows you to brake later and pass multiple riders at end of straight. Also accelerating full throttle without using clutch is a phenomenal ride experience.

The SS is a great all round fun bike to ride, and the ergonomics are not like a Panigale. It is much more comfortable to ride even for a 51 year old like myself. And once you ride a bike with a quick shifter, you miss it riding other bikes.

I have owned multiple Ducati's. Like my Moto Guzzi, the Ducati has a lot of character and rides much differently than a Japanese inline 4 bike. So, you should test ride one!
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« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2018, 09:59:34 PM »
I have driven my Ducati SuperSport S over 8,000 miles. I have had no problems with electronics. The quick shifter is fabulous, especially if you ever track the bike.

I have tracked the SS at COTA multiple times- probably have 500 miles on track. Even in the entry level riding level, most riders have powerful liter bikes that pass me up in the long straight. However, with the quick shifter, you can downshift simultaneously and brake. This allows you to brake later and pass multiple riders at end of straight. Also accelerating full throttle without using clutch is a phenomenal ride experience.

The SS is a great all round fun bike to ride, and the ergonomics are not like a Panigale. It is much more comfortable to ride even for a 51 year old like myself. And once you ride a bike with a quick shifter, you miss it riding other bikes.

I have owned multiple Ducati's. Like my Moto Guzzi, the Ducati has a lot of character and rides much differently than a Japanese inline 4 bike. So, you should test ride one!

I am guessing that you have the top of the line model with Ohlins and quick shift.  I agree that the both bikes listed here have pretty comfy riding positions.  You certainly have a nice motorcycle.

BTW-  I've ridden the base SS and Suzuki.   The Suzuki seems like a lot of bike for much less money.
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