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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #660 on: October 03, 2015, 08:40:28 PM »
Fantastic post I was thinking about taking off the air box lid on my Breva. Will the software all me to modify the maps for the extra airflow or should I get a Power Commander?

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« Reply #661 on: October 03, 2015, 10:37:03 PM »
I seriously doubt the airbag lid mod will do anything more than raise the intake noise. E.g. my Ford F150 with twin turbos has about the same sized snorkel as my Griso. You're going to tell me a 3.5 liter turbo'd motor is breathing fine and yet a normally aspirated 1.2 liter motor is not?

Second point; why hire a middleman when you can talk directly to your customer?
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #662 on: October 04, 2015, 11:59:59 PM »
I seriously doubt the airbag lid mod will do anything more than raise the intake noise. E.g. my Ford F150 with twin turbos has about the same sized snorkel as my Griso. You're going to tell me a 3.5 liter turbo'd motor is breathing fine and yet a normally aspirated 1.2 liter motor is not?

Second point; why hire a middleman when you can talk directly to your customer?
I figure that the Breva airbox is about the same size as my 5.0 93 f150s' plenum. Seems like the box top with the cute oval limits actionable cfm while leaving enough air to keep everything nice and lean to meet emissions. Your 3500 cc engine uses fancy super high rpm pumps called turbochargers to overcome one of the fundamental problems of any reciprocating pump,getting air into the inlet of the pump beyond atmospheric pressure its called boost. Remember that our bikes if they are both at sea level only have about 14 lbs of pressure in the box. So any restriction on a N/A engine will effect top end performance because available air depending on your elevation is limited, this becomes even worse the higher the elevation. Remember we dont suck air into our lungs atmospheric pressure pushes air into them. Depending how fast our lung muscles expand and contract depends on how much air is pushed in. Internal combustion engines are just pumps, with controlled explosions at the proper time.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #663 on: October 05, 2015, 01:11:50 AM »
(Sigh.) So how come a 120+ HP Tuono uses the same filter and very similar set-up?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
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« Reply #664 on: October 05, 2015, 03:11:33 AM »
I figure that the Breva airbox is about the same size as my 5.0 93 f150s' plenum. Seems like the box top with the cute oval limits actionable cfm while leaving enough air to keep everything nice and lean to meet emissions. Your 3500 cc engine uses fancy super high rpm pumps called turbochargers to overcome one of the fundamental problems of any reciprocating pump,getting air into the inlet of the pump beyond atmospheric pressure its called boost. Remember that our bikes if they are both at sea level only have about 14 lbs of pressure in the box. So any restriction on a N/A engine will effect top end performance because available air depending on your elevation is limited, this becomes even worse the higher the elevation. Remember we dont suck air into our lungs atmospheric pressure pushes air into them. Depending how fast our lung muscles expand and contract depends on how much air is pushed in. Internal combustion engines are just pumps, with controlled explosions at the proper time.
Eloquently put
Fantastic post I was thinking about taking off the air box lid on my Breva. Will the software all me to modify the maps for the extra airflow or should I get a Power Commander?
I think the answer to question is yes, maybe not quite as simple as carbs but post results so all know.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #665 on: October 05, 2015, 03:22:50 AM »
And completely, utterly wrong but don't allow that to stop you storming off down that path.

Sorry, I don't think I can stand this.


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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #666 on: October 05, 2015, 09:32:30 AM »
My fancy 3.5L uses turbines, not a turbocharger to provide boost. Since I drive with a light foot I don't dip into the boost very often so most of the time they are not working so the engine is pulling its' own air just like the bike. Yet it seems to breath just fine.

These engines have been tweaked by the factory engineers to limit emissions in the extreme while producing horse power with a decent torque curve and meeting sound requirements imposed by various agencies around the world. Unless you happen to know more than the engineers, have access to a dyno to prove what you are doing is actually helping in the areas you want improved; you are pretty much shooting in the dark.

Then there are the finer points of fluid dynamics on the intake side that make or break the pumping ability of your motor if you reduce the intake velocity by ruining the venturi effect by introducing chaotic air flow.

But it's your bike, have at it. You asked, we responded.  :boozing:
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #667 on: October 06, 2015, 04:26:15 AM »
My fancy 3.5L uses turbines, not a turbocharger to provide boost.

Please explain the difference. 
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« Reply #668 on: October 06, 2015, 07:05:12 AM »

Some of these posts seem to have to been written while on more bourbon than even I can handle!  :wink:

But, as I only come and go here as the mood strikes ... which it does not often ... I'm probably missing something profound.

So, as Kathi leaves in a bit for three days  :thewife:, I'm screwing up my courage to start this thread at p. 1 and plod on to the end.

Want to see if I can make sense of it enough to order (finally) the right cable set, etc., then get the latest map. 

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« Reply #669 on: October 06, 2015, 08:43:27 AM »
Some of these posts seem to have to been written while on more bourbon than even I can handle!  :wink:

But, as I only come and go here as the mood strikes ... which it does not often ... I'm probably missing something profound.

So, as Kathi leaves in a bit for three days  :thewife:, I'm screwing up my courage to start this thread at p. 1 and plod on to the end.

Want to see if I can make sense of it enough to order (finally) the right cable set, etc., then get the latest map. 

[ Yes, with a donation sufficient to at least buy beetle  :bow: and VdG  :bow: a decent beer; don't want to overtip too soon.   :boozing: ]

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« Reply #670 on: October 06, 2015, 09:14:15 AM »
I'm using El Capitan OSX 10.11.1 beta.  Guzzidiag (0.47) works fine for me ('16 Stone), but it didn't until I installed the FTDI USB serial driver (2.3) off the Guzzidiag site.  I used Guzzidiag to determine my ECU flash version (it's 4533V740).  I don't intend to update it until I see reports of a newer one that works better.  So far, the updates seem to do more harm than good.

I haven't been able to use my Macbook Air to install the map from Guzzidiag, had to get a friend to use his PC, but I would like to be able to rest my ups, etc. I just updated to El Capitan 10.11 and I've tried to find the FTDI USB serial driver 2.3 on Guzzidiag. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks

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« Reply #671 on: October 06, 2015, 09:39:11 AM »
Please explain the difference.
Turbines are powered by the exhaust flow, turbochargers are spools run directly off the engine; typically by a belt. Which one you choose to use depends on how you operate the vehicle. Turbine driven boosters have to wait for the engine to increase rpm to increase exhaust flow so there is some lag between the time you stop the go pedal and the desire action happens.

I'm on the fence about ordering another cable but I think my choices are limited. Will have to to confirm if the cable is bad or my drivers are wonky. Luckily I don't need to write up a map right now, but a buddy wants to tweak is Bassa.
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« Reply #672 on: October 06, 2015, 09:58:32 AM »
Turbines are powered by the exhaust flow, turbochargers are spools run directly off the engine; typically by a belt.
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I believe you meant to say "superchargers" are run directly off the engine.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #673 on: October 06, 2015, 11:29:36 AM »
Turbines are powered by the exhaust flow, turbochargers are spools run directly off the engine; typically by a belt. Which one you choose to use depends on how you operate the vehicle. Turbine driven boosters have to wait for the engine to increase rpm to increase exhaust flow so there is some lag between the time you stop the go pedal and the desire action happens.


The original name was turbo-supercharger.  You have turbochargers on your truck.
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« Reply #674 on: October 06, 2015, 11:36:47 AM »
Gah, brain fart! Thanks for the correction. I really should stay away until I've had my coffee. At least some of you are awake.
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« Reply #675 on: October 06, 2015, 12:37:10 PM »
Gah, brain fart! Thanks for the correction. I really should stay away until I've had my coffee. At least some of you are awake.

No sweat. You had me confused. :). Admittedly, not a difficult task.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #676 on: October 06, 2015, 02:59:55 PM »
I haven't been able to use my Macbook Air to install the map from Guzzidiag, had to get a friend to use his PC, but I would like to be able to rest my ups, etc. I just updated to El Capitan 10.11 and I've tried to find the FTDI USB serial driver 2.3 on Guzzidiag. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks

http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP/MacOSX/FTDIUSBSerialDriver_v2_3.dmg
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« Reply #677 on: October 06, 2015, 08:03:02 PM »
Thanks :bow:

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #678 on: October 08, 2015, 06:36:58 AM »
Got GuzziDiag connected to the V7-II today.
Bought the cables from the site recommended on page 1.
Downloaded the drivers from the site recommended on page 1.
Installed all, plugged it all in, everything working straight up.
Sweet.
Big thanks to all involved for making this real.

I wanted to get this working for future fault finding (hopefully never necessary)....and besides, after a career in automation & controls, if there's a way of interrogating a processor I have to do it :)
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #679 on: October 21, 2015, 11:33:59 AM »
Guys, this thread has 23 pages, so I have just one quick question, please.  I'm using Guzzidiag on a Ducati.  Guzzidiag refers to the cylinders as, appropriately, Left Right.  Which cylinder on a Ducati is Left?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #680 on: October 21, 2015, 11:43:07 AM »
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Which cylinder on a Ducati is Left?

The one you haven't taken off, yet. <rimshot>  :smiley: You *do* know that there is also a Ducati diag?
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #681 on: October 21, 2015, 03:13:02 PM »
left is main, and thats at a Duc the horizontal one
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #682 on: October 22, 2015, 11:52:05 AM »
I'm having trouble resetting the TPS; that function is not showing up on the dropdown menu for "engine off". Anyone have a clue?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #683 on: October 22, 2015, 12:42:02 PM »
I'm having trouble resetting the TPS; that function is not showing up on the dropdown menu for "engine off". Anyone have a clue?

What ECU?
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #684 on: October 22, 2015, 04:59:00 PM »
I'm having trouble resetting the TPS; that function is not showing up on the dropdown menu for "engine off". Anyone have a clue?

Hi Yo Man. For some reason I'm struggling to upload pictures here today, so I've sent you a couple of screen shots of how it should look in Guzzidiag. When you select the menu points "View" "Actors", you will get a warning that the engine should be off. The engine is hopefully off, right? Click that message away.

You will then see a button for TPS reset. Click on it. Nothing much happens except that it briefly changes color very slightly. That's it! You did it.

When you go back to the main page, your throttle position should show 4.7 or 4.8 degrees.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #685 on: October 22, 2015, 05:03:47 PM »

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #686 on: October 22, 2015, 05:07:21 PM »
That reminds me. I've run into this a couple of times. One of those times, I had a stored error. Makes sure that you don't have any stored errors and if so, clear the errors. Then try the TPS reset.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #687 on: October 22, 2015, 06:46:02 PM »
what  version Guzzidiag? You should find tps reset  it in the drop down list
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #688 on: October 22, 2015, 08:08:43 PM »
what  version Guzzidiag? You should find tps reset  it in the drop down list

Bingo!

I have a Mac and had decided that perhaps I should download GuzziDiag again. I noticed there where two downloads for Macs. I had the VO.46-2 version and the second version was VO.46-3.

This version worked as advertised; the TPS reset option was right there in the dropdown menu (unlike the 46-2 version).

Thanks for the help everyone. I couldn't keep this bike without all the help and advice given so freely.

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« Reply #689 on: October 23, 2015, 08:15:33 AM »
Bingo!

I have a Mac and had decided that perhaps I should download GuzziDiag again. I noticed there where two downloads for Macs. I had the VO.46-2 version and the second version was VO.46-3.

This version worked as advertised; the TPS reset option was right there in the dropdown menu (unlike the 46-2 version).

Thanks for the help everyone. I couldn't keep this bike without all the help and advice given so freely.
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