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Offline Mr Revhead

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1140 on: September 03, 2016, 02:42:38 AM »
I'll plug it back in tomorrow and take a look.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1141 on: September 03, 2016, 02:48:54 AM »
Mark, the 2003 Hydro valve models were, (From memory.) the first ones to use the 15M-RC and have a NBO in the crossover under the gearbox. 15M-RC seems to be a much simpler, more 'Linear' beast than the W5AM with all its interpolative features.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1142 on: September 03, 2016, 03:07:41 AM »
In my brief search, there seems to be two years that used the 15M with lambda, 2003/2004. After that, it was the 15RC. Not every model in 2004 had them either. The 2004 V11 had both versions. I presume it was build date dependent. Curious. Now how to turn off lambda?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1143 on: September 03, 2016, 06:02:34 AM »
No the 15m is without lambda, 15rc is with lambda. In these years, guzzi has sold the lambda ones where they had too, and to  less restrictive markets(USA) the 15m ones. The v11 wireloom was identical, difference was only an extra pin connected on the ecu and the lambda sensor connector. You can swap the 15m and 15rc on these years, and connect lamda or not. And since guzzidiag the 15rc can do without.

The tps reset function is only for lineair TPS So the 15rc can do tpsreset, but that should not be used on the cali and v11 series(pf3c), so with guzzidiag we deactivated it when such a bike is chosen. The breva 750 has the lineair pf1c that can be reset. 

I know someone who first used guzzidiag on a breva and forgot to change to v11 when he conneted his bike, and then did the tps reset. It has cost him lot of time to get it right again.

Now since there is the eeprom reader, the reset setting could be read fom an stock similar bike and writen to a bike where the tps reset is accidentaly used.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1143 on: September 03, 2016, 06:02:34 AM »

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1144 on: September 03, 2016, 06:27:28 AM »
No argument from me Paul. Man says he has a 15M with a O2 sensor, who am I to argue?   

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1145 on: September 03, 2016, 07:02:55 AM »
Unless I'm mistaken about the ecu it has...
How do you tell for sure?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1146 on: September 03, 2016, 08:46:32 AM »
Look for the sensor in the pipe crossover.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1147 on: September 03, 2016, 09:00:26 AM »
In the US and most of the world, the 2003 and 2004 had the 15M, not the 15RC. So no lambda.
The 15RC was sold in Switzerland and a few others where needed. It had cats on the mufflers as well as the lambda in the crossover. The mufflers had heat shields.

Even easier, Guzzidiag displays it.

A 2003 EV in the US (and most of but not all of the world) did not have a lambda.

Can you get a photo?
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1148 on: September 03, 2016, 09:09:38 AM »
No argument from me Paul. Man says he has a 15M with a O2 sensor, who am I to argue?   

Well as I told, you can mount a lambda on these bikes, with a 15m it won't do anything with it.
Maybe ecu was changed out, or factory mistake. Interesting to know what map is in it.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1149 on: September 03, 2016, 11:48:14 AM »




Finally got it to work, does this look normal for a Quota 1100? CO seems to stay at 100 no matter what, but idles way to high all of a sudden. Will look into throttle cables and see if they're hanging up somewhere.

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1150 on: September 03, 2016, 04:42:48 PM »
Guzzi diag doesn't tell you want ecu is in it. It just tells you what you have selected.
If I choose 15rc or 15m it will display the same map numbers and will read all info.
The difference is under the 15rc option it has the o2 reset option under actors but performing it just brings up "error" however it will do other tests such as the rev counter one.

This bike was NZ new and definitely has an o2 sensor.

I pulled the ecu off and it has:
IAW15M.C6
CALIFORNIA P.I.MY02

Numbers coming up in Diag:
61601.035.00
3D02MM26

So it's a 15m and I'm assuming this exact set up with o2 isn't catered for in Guzzidiag.

Connected as a 15rc it reads everything. However under the o2 readings they remain static. Even when I unplug it. Wtf. 

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« Reply #1151 on: September 03, 2016, 05:02:07 PM »
 
Guzzi diag doesn't tell you want ecu is in it. It just tells you what you have selected.
If I choose 15rc or 15m it will display the same map numbers and will read all info.
The difference is under the 15rc option it has the o2 reset option under actors but performing it just brings up "error" however it will do other tests such as the rev counter one.

This bike was NZ new and definitely has an o2 sensor.

I pulled the ecu off and it has:
IAW15M.C6
CALIFORNIA P.I.MY02

Numbers coming up in Diag:
61601.035.00
3D02MM26

So it's a 15m and I'm assuming this exact set up with o2 isn't catered for in Guzzidiag.

Connected as a 15rc it reads everything. However under the o2 readings they remain static. Even when I unplug it. Wtf. 



WTF indeed. I don't have that particular map, but the nomenclature is very 15M. Is the O2 sensor actually connected to the loom?

Something funny going on.
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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1152 on: September 03, 2016, 05:03:13 PM »
Appears to be. Wires disappear into the loom

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1153 on: September 03, 2016, 05:03:50 PM »
mr Revhead,

In 2002 there was no big guzzi with lambda. That started in 2003. The lambda comes in on pin 2 and 8 on a 15rc ecu. Maybe your wires go there but the ecu had no connection inside for it.  The numbers show the 15m with a 15m map without lambda.
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« Reply #1154 on: September 03, 2016, 05:06:09 PM »
Have we just busted Guzzi for emission cheating?  :copcar:

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« Reply #1155 on: September 03, 2016, 05:08:56 PM »
Right. I'm not going crazy. As I previously maintained, the 15M doesn't use lambda. I can only guess that Luigi had used a 15RC loom when assembling your bike.   :shocked:

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« Reply #1156 on: September 03, 2016, 05:10:06 PM »
Have we just busted Guzzi for emission cheating?  :copcar:

What's the build date on the compliance plate?

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« Reply #1157 on: September 03, 2016, 05:18:40 PM »
Where is that located? Only plate I can find on it doesn't have a date. Just chassis number, db rating, max weight.
That's on the l/h front frame section.

So, maybe mine was assembled during the 15M to 15RC change and ended up with the older ECU.
I might know of a spare RC one some where...

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1158 on: September 03, 2016, 05:26:24 PM »
Proof it has an o2! Note it's mounted in the aftermarket cross over
https://goo.gl/photos/JCowgRZBoud6KYD8A

Factory crossover
https://goo.gl/photos/JCowgRZBoud6KYD8A

15M on Guzzidiag
https://goo.gl/photos/NgVDoNPX5QBXZYW49

Loaded as 15RC
https://goo.gl/photos/oyBRZ1yUNZPkmdSP6

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« Reply #1159 on: September 03, 2016, 06:22:28 PM »
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« Reply #1160 on: September 03, 2016, 06:26:06 PM »




Finally got it to work, does this look normal for a Quota 1100? CO seems to stay at 100 no matter what, but idles way to high all of a sudden. Will look into throttle cables and see if they're hanging up somewhere.

thanks in advance, Diana

How many degrees is the TPS at closed throttle?
You are showing 4000 RPM or so.


My info shows that a Quota should be 1.4 degrees at closed throttle/idle.

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« Reply #1161 on: September 03, 2016, 06:33:18 PM »
Can't recall the degrees..... I think it was showing .49 volts or something.
I do need to go through the TPS settings procedure.
Yesterday was more about looking at the CO trim as I felt it was a little lean. So I tweaked it and it certainly made a difference.

Maybe next weekend I'll get into it. Right now I have some CX500 heads to strip and clean!

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« Reply #1162 on: September 03, 2016, 08:25:51 PM »
Where is that located? Only plate I can find on it doesn't have a date. Just chassis number, db rating, max weight.
That's on the l/h front frame section.


Is there a one on the headstock?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1163 on: September 03, 2016, 08:47:33 PM »




Finally got it to work, does this look normal for a Quota 1100? CO seems to stay at 100 no matter what, but idles way to high all of a sudden. Will look into throttle cables and see if they're hanging up somewhere.

thanks in advance, Diana


Can you clarify regarding the CO trim? Are you saying you can't modify it?

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Re: GuzziDiag HowTo - A tutorial for beginners
« Reply #1164 on: September 04, 2016, 07:33:37 AM »
Ok bear with me here. I'm jumping into this thread. I want to get the cables, software etc for my wifes 2001 California Special to smooth it out.  I'm about to purchase all the stuff from page 1's recommendation.

Another question I have is, how can I tell what ECU my MGX has in it?  I might want to play with that too.
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« Reply #1165 on: September 04, 2016, 07:40:03 AM »
Get it from Lonelec, it will just be right.

Don't know the MGX yet, but it you want to take a 'break in' ride to Georgia, we can figure it out. :grin:
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« Reply #1166 on: September 04, 2016, 07:54:18 AM »
Get it from Lonelec, it will just be right.

Don't know the MGX yet, but it you want to take a 'break in' ride to Georgia, we can figure it out. :grin:

I did.  I ordered the kit.  Georgia huh?

BTW, the '01 does have a P8 ECU don't it?  Trying to figure out which Reader/Writer software to get.
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« Reply #1167 on: September 04, 2016, 07:56:20 AM »
01 will have a 15M.
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« Reply #1168 on: September 04, 2016, 08:08:52 AM »
01 will have a 15M.

Shoot, I was stuck on the days of my 98 EV.  Thanks.
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« Reply #1169 on: September 04, 2016, 08:43:29 AM »
Shoot, I was stuck on the days of my 98 EV.  Thanks.

Luap, mgx has the 7sm, just choose cali 1400 in guzzidiag.

For the cali, does it have the big 7x7"ecu box, or a small cigarette case behind the sindecover?   the big is p8, can't be porgrammed with guzzidiag, the small box, 15m can.
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