Lane splitting study

[gooseontheloose]

Not sure if its been posted before?

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-lanesplitting-safe-uc-berkeley-study-20150529-story.html

[Chuck in Indiana]

I don't think this one has, but that's good news.

[redrider]

How many motorcyclists will obey the rules? Shoot, the stunnah's already terrorize the cagers here. (Yes Millicent, the boys spell it that way)

[biking sailor]

For those that commute by motorcycle outside of California, need bumper stick on the back of bike that says:

"If Lane Splitting were legal,
I wouldn't be here, and
YOU could move up!"

[Tom]

 :1:

[Randown]

Once again the great state of California sets the example for what is right & proper. Backwater & 60th parallel states get a clue. 

[Arizona Wayne]

Once again the great state of California sets the example for what is right & proper. Backwater & 60th parallel states get a clue. 

This time Kaifornia got it right. But this example in no way compares to their sad decisions since then. (former Californian) 

[Zinfan]

Once again the great state of California sets the example for what is right & proper. Backwater & 60th parallel states get a clue. 

Well reading the article seems to indicate that the study came out just before the vote so the pols still have time to f it up.

[rodekyll]

Once again the great state of California sets the example for what is right & proper. Backwater & 60th parallel states get a clue. 

We got the clue.  We despised it, them, and theirs.  We called the clue kaliforication.  You may keep it, thanks.

[oldbike54]

 Aw fellas California ain't so bad , move here to Oklahoma , we will show ya bad 

  Dusty

[rodekyll]

No, other than the political, social, economic and weather climates, the overpaving, overcrowding and overarrogant people, the crumbling infrastructure and inability to solve any problems it's probably only a mid level of hell.

I surely do get completely tired of kalifornians trying to tell me what I am and am not, and what I can and can't do.  The other day I had some newly transplanted asshat from Chico schooling me on "proper cultural sensitivity" with regard to the local native population.  He's one of those typical kalifornians who makes his living inventing problems where there are none so he can sell the solution to questions nobody asked.  Kinda like the shill in the auction nobody wanted to bid.  Go get 'em, tiger.   

[Zinfan]

No, other than the political, social, economic and weather climates, the overpaving, overcrowding and overarrogant people, the crumbling infrastructure and inability to solve any problems it's probably only a mid level of hell.

I surely do get completely tired of kalifornians trying to tell me what I am and am not, and what I can and can't do.  The other day I had some newly transplanted asshat from Chico schooling me on "proper cultural sensitivity" with regard to the local native population.  He's one of those typical kalifornians who makes his living inventing problems where there are none so he can sell the solution to questions nobody asked.  Kinda like the shill in the auction nobody wanted to bid.  Go get 'em, tiger.   

somehow felt the need to respond to the "typical kalifornians" comment but then decide to put on my Lycra and go for a bike ride.  See ya later!

[oldbike54]

 "Proper cultural sensitivity"  Well , there is certainly a segment of the population in Caaaleeeforniaa that is arrogant , but we have that same problem here with city folks from Tulsa and OKC , telling us small town dwellers how back wards we are after they move to a more rural area and then bitch about the lack of one hour dry cleaning and the dearth of , well , almost everything they believe necessary to maintain their "civilized" ex lifestyle . My response is always , "then move the eff back" , we didn't invite you here anyway 
I do however have good friends in the Golden state , and they are MOSTLY OK 

  Dusty

[Arizona Wayne]

No, other than the political, social, economic and weather climates, the overpaving, overcrowding and overarrogant people, the crumbling infrastructure and inability to solve any problems it's probably only a mid level of hell.

I surely do get completely tired of kalifornians trying to tell me what I am and am not, and what I can and can't do.  The other day I had some newly transplanted asshat from Chico schooling me on "proper cultural sensitivity" with regard to the local native population.  He's one of those typical kalifornians who makes his living inventing problems where there are none so he can sell the solution to questions nobody asked.  Kinda like the shill in the auction nobody wanted to bid.  Go get 'em, tiger.   

If you think Chico, Ka. residents are bad, don't ever talk to a college trained 1 from Eugene, Or. !   

[canuguzzi]

For those that commute by motorcycle outside of California, need bumper stick on the back of bike that says:

"If Lane Splitting were legal,
I wouldn't be here, and
YOU could move up!"

 :1: :1:

[normzone]

It always makes me happy to hear people bad mouthing California for any reason. And I'm glad when they're afraid of earthquakes and fires as well.

Anything that discourages even one more person from moving here or staying here just makes my life that much better.

 

[Arizona Wayne]

It always makes me happy to hear people bad mouthing California for any reason. And I'm glad when they're afraid of earthquakes and fires as well.

Anything that discourages even one more person from moving here or staying here just makes my life that much better.

 

Not to worry, more have left Kaliforny than arrive the last few years, mostly those that have a decent income stream to llve on.  But you are getting a lot of illegals for your free medical/dental/schooling/child care/ housing/and welfare benefits.    So be sure to keep paying your state, county, city, sales taxes.

[stmike]

Not to worry, more have left Kaliforny than arrive the last few years, mostly those that have a decent income stream to llve on.  But you are getting a lot of illegals for your free medical/dental/schooling/child care/ housing/and welfare benefits.    So be sure to keep paying your state, county, city, sales taxes.

:1: I love the climate and the wonderful canyon roads; but you can have the taxes, entitlements, socialism, liberalism, crowds, drought, and probably a few other things that will come to me momentarily.  When my wife is old enough to retire we'll likely take our pensions elsewhere.

[Randown]

No, other than the political, social, economic and weather climates, the overpaving, overcrowding and overarrogant people, the crumbling infrastructure and inability to solve any problems it's probably only a mid level of hell.

I surely do get completely tired of kalifornians trying to tell me what I am and am not, and what I can and can't do.  The other day I had some newly transplanted asshat from Chico schooling me on "proper cultural sensitivity" with regard to the local native population.  He's one of those typical kalifornians who makes his living inventing problems where there are none so he can sell the solution to questions nobody asked.  Kinda like the shill in the auction nobody wanted to bid.  Go get 'em, tiger.   

You are way off base sir. We aren't "overarrogant". Our populace averages mild to moderate arrogance & that is about the right amount.

Now see here, we have a template to get this done in other states, feel free to piggyback our university's study onto your own if you have one.

[travelingbyguzzi]

Northern California is nice......
But back on topic, I have a 5 mile stretch where the HOV lane is stop and go. It was 90° today and 'filtering' would have been a good thing.

[rodekyll]

You are way off base sir. We aren't "overarrogant". Our populace averages mild to moderate arrogance & that is about the right amount.

Now see here, we have a template to get this done in other states, feel free to piggyback our university's study onto your own if you have one.

When kalifornians feel their sphere of influence passes 60º north, they are overarrogant by at least 15º.  Your promotion of a Kalifornianized 'template' for my life doesn't do much to change my position.

[Randown]

When kalifornians feel their sphere of influence passes 60� north, they are overarrogant by at least 15�.  Your promotion of a Kalifornianized 'template' for my life doesn't do much to change my position.

Well I guess it wouldn't if you're on a trike & the biggest impediment to forward motion is roadkill. 

A few weeks back my dad & his bride were among the masses visiting Sitka via a steamer out of San Francisco, thanks for being a gracious host, I do hope the locals aren't unduly influenced by our regular invasions. 

You brought it up first, you said you wish CA would come down one side or another on lane splitting, well we have & now the tune is I don't care about Kalifornians?

[Tom]

We get the overflow of fruits and nuts out here too. 

[rodekyll]

Well I guess it wouldn't if you're on a trike & the biggest impediment to forward motion is roadkill. 

A few weeks back my dad & his bride were among the masses visiting Sitka via a steamer out of San Francisco, thanks for being a gracious host, I do hope the locals aren't unduly influenced by our regular invasions. 

You brought it up first, you said you wish CA would come down one side or another on lane splitting, well we have & now the tune is I don't care about Kalifornians?

Yes, I said the legality and rules for lanesplitting need clarification.  What does that have to do with you taking a cheap shot at the trike? 

[donn]

Rodekyll, I'm kind of surprised at you, taking a grudge against a whole state full of people, 39.8 million at last count.  Next you'll be telling us stuff you heard on Fox News.  California is bigger and more diverse than a lot of countries.  Don't be a character in someone's cartoon.

As for the study, I find it unconvincing.  They point out the problem with their analysis as if it supports them:  the riders they're looking at apparently have better safety skills - apparel, alcohol, acceleration (they speed less.)  So sure, they're able to [fill in the blank] and get away with fewer accidents than you might think - and that thoroughly disqualifies them as a statistically representative sample.

[rodekyll]

I have said that the lane splitting issue is a problem that the state of California needs to solve.  I've also said I don't care which side they come down on as long as a decision is made.  It seems as though they're settling it.  That's all I wanted.  Why does that make me the bad guy in the discussion?

[Yeahoo Whoyah]

I hope other states like Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Texas and Tennessee will considered and approve lane splitting too.

[ken farr]

I have said that the lane splitting issue is a problem that the state of California needs to solve.  I've also said I don't care which side they come down on as long as a decision is made

Hello all, getting in here kinda late, but here it is.
1) Born and raised in California, come here or don't, like the place or don't, like the people or don't.

2)  As far as lane splitting being a problem that needed to be solved,  that is incorrect. The practice wasn't, isn't a problem.
Lane splitting in Ca. isn't unlawful.  That is the big major difference. It isn't legislated her like most everywhere else. There are other violations in the California Vehicle Code that reflect on various practices, that would stem from a squid dashing along at 60 between stopped traffic.  The problem is a matter of practicality, do you chase said squid doing 60 by going 90 to catch him ?  Do you wait for the collision, where Mr. Squid has now involved some innocent in his actions?  No real good answer.

3) Personal observation: The C.H.P. put out some public affairs guide lines about motorcycles and lane splitting a year or so ago.  I commute from Ventura county into Calabasas every weekday.  Calabasas is the epicenter for texting, calling, distracted and entitled drivers, period.  I actually had folks moving over when I was splitting traffic, more so than normal.  I thought, wow, this P.R. stuff actually worked to a degree that I did not expect.  I was impressed.  There were still squids.

4) Then someone sent an angry letter to the Governors office saying he didn't like that the C.H.P. was endorsing this kind of behavior, and thought that Jerry should do something about it.  Yep it takes 1 angry letter to kill a project.  So the website came down, the P.R. campaign stopped, and not as many people are moving as before. There are still squids.

5)  I understand that the State will legislate lane splitting.  This will probably not have an effect or affect on me or my actions.
However, I have seen the process in action and the frankenstien like monstrosity that comes from these sessions, and I know I am just going to shake my head and say bad words under my breath. 
No it wasn't a problem that needed to be fixed.
The fix, is generally not a good thing.

6)  Anyway, I hope other places can educate the masses and lane splitting can become a common practice most everywhere else.

7)  Gotta go, a friend has just bought some big $ Harley Electra Glide, so we gotta go have a looksee, a cup of coffee and such.


kjf

[blackcat]

6)  Anyway, I hope other places can educate the masses and lane splitting can become a common practice most everywhere else.

Too bad ABATE organizations couldn't take this on but I assume that most of the rank and file have no interest in this issue.

[LowRyter]

Too bad ABATE organizations couldn't take this on but I assume that most of the rank and file have no interest in this issue.

Yeah. I mentioned it to an ABATE guy and he was totally clueless even with the meaning of the term.  I really don't think ABATE is any use to riders.