Single most significant safety advance in the last decade of M/C?

[tiger_one]

Or with it, unless they now calcuate lean angle.

System works in wet, gravel what ever you wish, but you still need to be a rider.  Also comes with software linked, only use the front brake lever, but you are free to add additional rear brake which is also controlled by the lean sensitive ABS.

I find the linking is conservative, in that you can always add a little more braking with rear brake.

[bad Chad]

Some good thoughts here, interspersed with a good deal of who's dick is bigger!

NP, I ask this honestly, I'm not being a smart azz, do you ever ponder why it is you get caught up in so much BS?

[lucian]

Just returned from a stop in at the local BMW, Suzuki dealer as I wanted to check out the new r1200rs and the s1000r. Got shooting the shit with the owner of  of the dealership about all the whiz bang gizmo's we have been discussing here. Had to laugh when he said that anyone who knows how to ride knows when to cut the throttle or pump the brakes and he's been riding for over 50 years. He went on to acknowledge that these new systems can react in a fraction of the time of the even the very best riders and at race speeds they are a necessity now. I personally believe they can save your arse on the street in the right situation as well. They can never replace skill but they can enhance it for even the best of riders. Most all the street motorcycle improvements over the years have been handed down from the race track, these are just another example of that. It certainly does not make anyone a less skilled rider because they take advantage of technology.

[rocker59]

While I do not own a motorcycle with ABS/TC, I can see their occasional advantages.

I do ride pretty hard sometimes.  One time, a decade ago, on my Sport 1100, the rear end came around on a wet super-tight section of AR-74 near Ponca Arkansas.  I thought I was toast, but was able to manage the throttle and get the bike back in line.  Had it gone the other way, it could've been a helicopter ride after they hauled me out of the gulley.  If I'd been riding a bike with traction control, getting slideways would've never happened.

I've not ever had a braking incident on wet pavement, but I always have good tires and think way ahead.  And, I rarely ride in the kind of dense traffic where panic stops can happen.

My 2014 V7 Special will probably be my last non ABS/TC bike.  I doubt I'll have the choice next time I buy.  They'll all have it !!!

[stormshearon]

A quick link to how TC works on Motorcycles:

https://rideapart.com/articles/motorcycle-traction-control-work

Just for the extra data..  :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu

[bad Chad]

I consider myself a pretty good rider, significantly better than average, but not anywhere close to Really good.  The one time I have yet crashed in anger would never have even raised a neck hair, had I been on a bike with ABS.

[mrrick]

Here is another discussion of the Bosch system (calculating lean angle, yes)
http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/02/26/bosch-motorcycle-stability-control-all-in-one-motorcycle-safety-system-explained/

And it looks like Continental is now in the game as well:
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/continental-optimized-curve-braking/

[drums4money]

A quick link to how TC works on Motorcycles:

https://rideapart.com/articles/motorcycle-traction-control-work

+1 TC
Was watching the movie "Hitting the Apex" (again) the other night, and there's a bit detailing Dani Pedrosa crashing as a result of the thin wire to the rear wheel pickup getting severed & losing traction control. . . ."immediately sending a massive & uncontrollable hit of power to the rear wheel."

The result's not too nice- watch up to ~40sec. :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNI9DOoaXTA

[Arizona Wayne]

+1 TC
Was watching the movie "Hitting the Apex" (again) the other night, and there's a bit detailing Dani Pedrosa crashing as a result of the thin wire to the rear wheel pickup getting severed & losing traction control. . . ."immediately sending a massive & uncontrollable hit of power to the rear wheel."

The result's not too nice- watch up to ~40sec. :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNI9DOoaXTA

That's what happens in MotoGP where you are going as fast as you possibly can and totally rely on your gizmos to keep you upright............ not knowing 1 of your gizmos has been harpooned.......... ..and then you thusly get thrown off your bike unexpectedly.