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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: inditx on December 03, 2021, 10:22:02 AM
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Ok so my M.I.L. calls me fickle, fair dinkem as long as it’s not about women since I married her daughter..... :cheesy:
But when it comes to bikes, I AM GUILTY AS CHARGED!
So my trusty brain trust, when, if any time, do you decide with your heart as in ooh, eye candy I gotta have that new V100 vs. well I’ve researched the snot outta these 3 bikes and have decided on XXXXX?!
I do know that you must ride a bike quite a lot in order to really get to know it. A 10 minute test ride only tells me if I really hate it. (rare)
Anyway, whaddya think!
What brain vs. heart decisions have served you best?
I know that using both is ideal for sure but sometimes......well you know.
inditx
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For me it's heart. I'll put up with a lot of crap if I love the bike. ( I ride a Guzzi not a Honda! 'Nuff said)
Mike
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I'm a mess.
I research the shit out of them and have often stupidly made the decision with my brain. And when that happens I'm almost always wrong.
Other times I research the shit out of them, then ignore my head and follow my (ooops mean to type) HEART. And when that happens I'm almost always right.
Yet I persist in researching the snot out of them.
:boozing:
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I'm a mess.
I research the shit out of them and have often stupidly made the decision with my brain. And when that happens I'm almost always wrong.
Other times I research the shit out of them, then ignore my head and follow my head. And when that happens I'm almost always right.
Yet I persist in researching the snot out of them.
:boozing:
I did this with my Anni. She was sight unseen, and I'd never ridden a Guzzi before she was delivered. The heart wants what the heart wants.
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+1. One of the best motorcycle decisions I ever did was buying a V7 from Hamlin sight unseen and having never been on a Guzzi. It was a Bonneville replacement and the end result has been spectacular.
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I did this with my Anni. She was sight unseen, and I'd never ridden a Guzzi before she was delivered. The heart wants what the heart wants.
OOOPS meant to type heart in that second part, but I think you knew that. :thumb: :boozing:
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My first Guzzi was from the heart.
Also sight unseen and from 200 miles away.
Now I’m on my 4th 10 years later.
My second Guzzi, the Calvin was also from out of state and the heart made the decision.
However my advice would be listen to both head and heart on any major decision and let the one that makes the best pro and con arguments prevail.
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It’s always a heart decision. The head tells me that motorcycles are life threatening moneypits. Go with your heart and a good long test ride.
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If the heart wants it bad enough, it will always convince the head.
If the head wins out anyway, the heart will never let the head hear the end of it.
Get what you want and you'll never be disappointed.
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Ok so my M.I.L. calls me fickle, fair dinkem as long as it’s not about women since I married her daughter..... :cheesy:
But when it comes to bikes, I AM GUILTY AS CHARGED!
So my trusty brain trust, when, if any time, do you decide with your heart as in ooh, eye candy I gotta have that new V100 vs. well I’ve researched the snot outta these 3 bikes and have decided on XXXXX?!
I do know that you must ride a bike quite a lot in order to really get to know it. A 10 minute test ride only tells me if I really hate it. (rare)
Anyway, whaddya think!
What brain vs. heart decisions have served you best?
I know that using both is ideal for sure but sometimes......well you know.
inditx
If you can't have an affair with the bike it's not worth riding, affairs are purely a matter of the heart - thinking with your head is just back-up - thinking with the wrong head is lethal... regardless of what it's about!
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Years ago they used to say "You're thinking with the wrong head". Couldn't resist. All bike stuff is OK makes no diff head or heart.
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Yep. Endlessly entertaining discussions on other boards about the "specs" on the new Mandello and all the bench racing. Effing hysterical.
As if a Guzzi was about specs.............. ..............
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For me it's heart. I'll put up with a lot of crap if I love the bike. ( I ride a Guzzi not a Honda! 'Nuff said)
Mike
I get this Mike
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I'm a mess.
I research the shit out of them and have often stupidly made the decision with my brain. And when that happens I'm almost always wrong.
Other times I research the shit out of them, then ignore my head and follow my (ooops mean to type) HEART. And when that happens I'm almost always right.
Yet I persist in researching the snot out of them.
:boozing:
Me too KevM and I knew you meant heart.
So far it looks like heart wins out over head but using both is what I’ve been trying to do....
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If you buy with your heart and things go a bit wrong, you’ll create excuses and overcome...(like when your new puppy wees on the carpet because he feels like he’s found a home...)
If you buy with your head and things go a bit wrong, you’ll wonder why yours is the only one that ever broke down, you’ll hate it forever.
(Like your brand new Honda 500, that keeps failing and you’re told they’re, “hard to get parts for”...!)
A bike is an expensive indulgence that is there to serve your emotions and emotions are driven by the heart.
Our needs are best driven by our heads and are devoid of emotion, no one “needs” a motorbike in the recreational world.
The bike is there to serve your heart, obey that..(then look at the quote under Guzzi Gal’s signature.... :wink:
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Head decision for me. My choices fit the type of riding and the terrain I want to ride in. That's why I have a vintage sport bike for corner carving and a dual sport for the more remote areas (which is really my favorite)
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Head decision for me. My choices fit the type of riding and the terrain I want to ride in. That's why I have a vintage sport bike for corner carving and a dual sport for the more remote areas (which is really my favorite)
Hmm, on that basis, for where I live (German Black Forest) I need to build a Maico 680 2st motor into a 125 frame!
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Hmm, on that basis, for where I live (German Black Forest) I need to build a Maico 680 2st motor into a 125 frame!
Sounds like a GREAT idea, Maybe a hopped up Pursang?
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Sounds like a GREAT idea, Maybe a hopped up Pursang?
You can buy brand new, water cooled Maico motors here:
https://www.maico-bikeworld.de/en/alle-kategorien/maico-engines-2018/engine-685-detail.html
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I did this with my Anni. She was sight unseen, and I'd never ridden a Guzzi before she was delivered. The heart wants what the heart wants.
Yes indeed!
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Researched the heck out of it.
Bought what I really wanted anyway.
Never regretted it.
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My first Guzzi was from the heart.
Also sight unseen and from 200 miles away.
Now I’m on my 4th 10 years later.
My second Guzzi, the Calvin was also from out of state and the heart made the decision.
However my advice would be listen to both head and heart on any major decision and let the one that makes the best pro and con arguments prevail.
:thumb:
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It’s always a heart decision. The head tells me that motorcycles are life threatening moneypits. Go with your heart and a good long test ride.
You are right!
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If you buy with your heart and things go a bit wrong, you’ll create excuses and overcome...(like when your new puppy wees on the carpet because he feels like he’s found a home...)
If you buy with your head and things go a bit wrong, you’ll wonder why yours is the only one that ever broke down, you’ll hate it forever.
(Like your brand new Honda 500, that keeps failing and you’re told they’re, “hard to get parts for”...!)
A bike is an expensive indulgence that is there to serve your emotions and emotions are driven by the heart.
Our needs are best driven by our heads and are devoid of emotion, no one “needs” a motorbike in the recreational world.
The bike is there to serve your heart, obey that..(then look at the quote under Guzzi Gal’s signature.... :wink:
Yes I yield to the master here, good words Huzo!
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Researched the heck out of it.
Bought what I really wanted anyway.
Never regretted it.
+1
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Start with heart as motorcycles (for most of us) are about passion and joy. Let some logic dictate selection based on your needs and abilities but in the end, who wants to ride a dull bike? I was getting a little down on MG and went with an F800GS. Very efficient and capable but it just didn't scratch my itch - no soul in that bike. Sold that for a Griso 1200SE and mamma mia, that was one spicy meatball!
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I'm a mess.
I research the shit out of them and have often stupidly made the decision with my brain. And when that happens I'm almost always wrong.
Other times I research the shit out of them, then ignore my head and follow my (ooops mean to type) HEART. And when that happens I'm almost always right.
Yet I persist in researching the snot out of them.
:boozing:
I am exactly like Kevin. I’ll research the crap out of them no matter what, yet the heart decisions are always better. The few bikes I’ve really disliked or regretted were all “head” bikes.
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I am exactly like Kevin.
I'm soooo sorry ... :boozing:
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Heart is just a pump, it's all in your head! :tongue:
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Choosing bike is like choosing girlfriend. You have the sexy, wild and fun girl vs. a nice, educated, economical stable girl from church. The girl from church is probably the safest bet, but your heart says the wild and fun is the way to go. :cool:
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Fredrik: In that situation, I would say it depends on how many test drives you have had which one you end up with. Some of those quiet, shy types can fool you.
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Fredrik: In that situation, I would say it depends on how many test drives you have had which one you end up with. Some of those quiet, shy types can fool you.
True! :grin:
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Humility is key. I’ve had some heart decisions that went terribly wrong. For examples see my first wife, numerous GFs, a Mitsubishi Montero Sport, a KZ1000LTD, and a beautiful Victory V92c. However, when I temper my hearts desires with some input from my thinking head, I have some truly wonderful experiences. My current wife, Guzzi, Home, and general situation all point to leading with your heart, but tempering with rational thinking from the head, giving the best results. At least in my own situation.
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Great replies!
It appears that the hearts desires and the minds inquiries, in some type of balance, make for the best decisions for most of us.
I must admit that I grow weary of researching the beejeebees out of bikes only to lose or dismiss that heart feel and input.
Spec sheets, pics and even other riders reviews only give a glimpse and only a long “betrothal” allow for us to truly know a bike.
After all, riding is wind therapy which is good for the soul, mind and body ay?
RideOn!
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For me is all heart that drives me, but the decision is with the head. Has been since my first ride and being forbidden from owning a bike, I saved bought and kept my motorcycles at a friends house till I went to college.
My head (and philosophy of $$) overrides my heart all the time, for cars, guns and motorcycles.
Like most here, I love riding period, but my heart has to be engaged if I am going to own the bike. This is why I have a Stornello V7II, but am not drawn to the V7III. It's a heart thing. It's why I don't like the EV, or older Eldo's, or 1400, or Breva 11/750, but LOVE the Convert, 1200 Sport, and Griso. The heart is why I like the older 4V motors over the 8V motors...... My heart connects with these bikes in the riding experience and appearance.
My heart also says "buy the Super Tenere, Duc Monster, KTM Super Duke, Thruxton TFC, and so on, but my head says NOPE'
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This thread could have been written for me, I’ve just come off the phone with the MG dealer 30 mins ago having bought this V9 Bobber Sport! It was advertised a day or so ago and I just saw it by chance, 2019 model with next to no mileage, had a bit of a sleepless night, there are a dozen (sensible) reasons for not buying it but it’s soooooo gorgeous I ran it past my wife, got the all clear so did. I’m now skint. I love the look of these and cannot wait to get it. My Pan has had to go in p/x which is a shame but I had to to make the numbers work.
(https://i.ibb.co/Fns8jVy/C1505-C45-824-A-489-A-920-F-7304-E72-FFE4-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fns8jVy)
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Beautiful bike Bee and welcome!
inditx
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Bee, congratulations on the new bike! And welcome to WG!
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCg6sw2y/C1505-C45-824-A-489-A-920-F-7304-E72-FFE4-E.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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As I've mentioned several times here, if you really want to read about a bike and get some meaningful insights prior to purchase or just to satisfy your curiosity buy and read BIKE and Motorcycle Sport and Leisure from the UK. First of all, the writers are head and shoulders above the US motoscribes in their experience and knowledge IMO. More important, it's the norm for them to live with a bike for 3 to10K miles, or sometimes even longer. This is how you get a real impression-not on the 300 mile company ride so many magazines offer as "reviews". And every now and again the entire crew will set off with several different bikes across Europe and come back with a wonderful story about how they work over week(s) and 1000's of miles in all weathers and conditions.
Those mags are the best 10 bucks (each) you'll spend and will spoil you for most other content related to reviews.
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For me is all heart that drives me, but the decision is with the head. Has been since my first ride and being forbidden from owning a bike, I saved bought and kept my motorcycles at a friends house till I went to college.
My head (and philosophy of $$) overrides my heart all the time, for cars, guns and motorcycles.
Like most here, I love riding period, but my heart has to be engaged if I am going to own the bike. This is why I have a Stornello V7II, but am not drawn to the V7III. It's a heart thing. It's why I don't like the EV, or older Eldo's, or 1400, or Breva 11/750, but LOVE the Convert, 1200 Sport, and Griso. The heart is why I like the older 4V motors over the 8V motors...... My heart connects with these bikes in the riding experience and appearance.
My heart also says "buy the Super Tenere, Duc Monster, KTM Super Duke, Thruxton TFC, and so on, but my head says NOPE'
Well said. For anyone who is involved in any successful long term hobby, activity, or relationship, it is not an either/or heart or head process, but a process of combining the two. A lot of human activities make absolutely no sense to me, but hey, as long as the participants are happy, my opinions should be of no value or concern to them whatsoever.
Anytime I run any motorcycle decision by my wife, her response is always the same: "Do whatever makes you happy!"
Great advice for all humans to follow.
I wonder if it would be a viable business to own a fleet of 20-50 exotic/vintage/classic bikes and rent them out for 1-2 hour rides at $150-200. If situated in the ride location...... Insurance might be a killer.
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As I've mentioned several times here, if you really want to read about a bike and get some meaningful insights prior to purchase or just to satisfy your curiosity buy and read BIKE and Motorcycle Sport and Leisure from the UK. First of all, the writers are head and shoulders above the US motoscribes in their experience and knowledge IMO. More important, it's the norm for them to live with a bike for 3 to10K miles, or sometimes even longer. This is how you get a real impression-not on the 300 mile company ride so many magazines offer as "reviews". And every now and again the entire crew will set off with several different bikes across Europe and come back with a wonderful story about how they work over week(s) and 1000's of miles in all weathers and conditions.
Those mags are the best 10 bucks (each) you'll spend and will spoil you for most other content related to reviews.
Thanks for the input. I have long given up on motorcycle mags from the US. The last to go was Motorcycle Consumer News.
Practical Sportsbikes is also an excellent motorcycle magazine from the UK.
Written by very knowledgeable enthusiasts re: "Young boys who refuse to grow up." Which describes most of the fun/happy people I have met in life.
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For me it is all about the heart! I bought my first guzzi based on pictures only just this past june, just doing some casual browsing of local craigslist. the more I researched the cal-vin the more I wanted it, even though my brain was telling me nooooo!~ too much this n that n whadevers... "a flush beats a strait every time!" the heart wins! now I ride a guzzi.
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I've only ever owned one Guzzi, my Stelvio. I love it.
Before purchase I read every magazine's adventure bike comparison test. They always put Stelvio in last place, while putting the R1200GS in first place. The ex-racer salesman at the Moto Guzzi dealership said he owned a boring R1200GS, he was selling it, and he loved the Stelvio.
I went with my head to trust the salesman's heart.
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As I've mentioned several times here, if you really want to read about a bike and get some meaningful insights prior to purchase or just to satisfy your curiosity buy and read BIKE and Motorcycle Sport and Leisure from the UK. First of all, the writers are head and shoulders above the US motoscribes in their experience and knowledge IMO. More important, it's the norm for them to live with a bike for 3 to10K miles, or sometimes even longer. This is how you get a real impression-not on the 300 mile company ride so many magazines offer as "reviews". And every now and again the entire crew will set off with several different bikes across Europe and come back with a wonderful story about how they work over week(s) and 1000's of miles in all weathers and conditions.
Those mags are the best 10 bucks (each) you'll spend and will spoil you for most other content related to reviews.
This! +1 :thumb: :bow:
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Most times bikes ride pretty much like they look. There are exceptions but rarely.